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Re: [Amel] RE: New to group

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Hi Jason!

When my husband starting looking for a Amel earlier this year, either a Maramu or a Santorin, there were not many on the market on the East Coast of the US.  Somehow, he did not come across Joel Potter's name in his search.  But he did come across Jean Paul (JP) Bahuaud, the principal of Caraibe Yachts, with several offices throughout the Martinique/ Guadaloupe area.  JP works very closely with Amel, and if well known by Amel staff in Martinique ( where there is a major Amel service center) and in LaRochelle.  Through JP, my husband found a 46 Santorin.  Also, I would highly recommend Dominique Rousselon as a marine surveyor in Martinique.  He did an extremely thorough job of going through the boat, spending 2 days going through every thing very carefully, unlike a surveyor that we recently used in Fort Lauderdale to survey a SM 2000.  His survey omitted many things or was incorrect about the condition of several mechanical items, to the point that we had second thoughts about whether we should buy the boat ( which we did)  I am sure that part of the problem was that we were in Italy when we commissioned the survey.  Had my husband been aboard, I think that he would have been working closely with the surveyor to make sure that things that were overlooked or evaluated improperly, would not have happened. 

We wish you the best in your search, but I caution you that when you find the boat you want, do not hesitate!  Feel free to contact me privately at stephiedib@....

Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
Santorin 088, "Bianca"
Lying Grand Bahama Canal, Grand Bahama Island

On Dec 27, 2013, at 6:33 AM, <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jason,

             The European equivalent  to Joel Potter is Michel Charpentier sadly he does not tend to make regular contributions to this group in the manner Joel does.

Charpentier is held in very high regard across Europe especially for Amel. I bought my own boat through him and found him to be a man of the highest integrity . 

Either way you have two first class representatives to help source your Amel.

I would recommend that you make both of these people aware of your plans and they will eventually guide you to the right vessel.

I have sailed a Super Maramu half way around the world either with one crew member or single handed if there is a better boat for the cruising that you aspire to I don't know what it is.



Fair winds.

Trevor Lusty

Sea Fever of Cuan

SM425

Mexico

 


Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Eric

I can see how you would be able to change these out so quickly and think that this is a great idea if you have the same brand & model of autopilot hardware.

In terms of my set up we will post a picture of the switch and location of the two computers and fluxgate. Not sure of the brand of the switch however it was Amel supplied and fitted by the Amel Technician in the Canary Islands.

The switch over mechanism works great (I have seen the same setup on many 54's and some SM2000's when I was shopping around for an Amel. We can choose between wheel chain steering or the hydraulic arm steering on the rudder by the flick of a switch which is a nice feature however I am not sure how it was wired in, but that part seems to work perfectly.

The only problem we had was that for the 2nd autopilot the fluxgate was placed under rear bed and it would not calibrate properly due to the position along side the steel rudder stock.

Does anyone else out there have the 2nd fluxgate positioned in another suitable spot on their boats?

Fair Winds
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II - sm2k #332
Newport, QLD Australia


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

Colin,

What type of switch did you use to switch over all the wiring from one computer to another?

There must be at least a dozen wires.

 

The A/B switch just switches over the drives and the clutches. Not the computers, fluxgate compass, or rudder reference transducer.

 

 

I keep my spare course computer , fluxgate compass, and rudder reference computer under my bunk disconnected. It only takes 15 minutes to change over the computer,

compass, or rudder reference transducer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Colin Streeter
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Next to the other one in the compartment above the sink. Copied the many other Amels that have it there with a flick over Autopilot A and B switch alongside.

 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Where did you mount the second autopilot computer?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


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Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.

 

We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.

 

We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.

 

We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?

 

Fair winds

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II - sm2k #332

Newport, QLD Australia 

 


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Re: New to group

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Hi Jason,

             The European equivalent  to Joel Potter is Michel Charpentier sadly he does not tend to make regular contributions to this group in the manner Joel does.

Charpentier is held in very high regard across Europe especially for Amel. I bought my own boat through him and found him to be a man of the highest integrity . 

Either way you have two first class representatives to help source your Amel.

I would recommend that you make both of these people aware of your plans and they will eventually guide you to the right vessel.

I have sailed a Super Maramu half way around the world either with one crew member or single handed if there is a better boat for the cruising that you aspire to I don't know what it is.



Fair winds.

Trevor Lusty

Sea Fever of Cuan

SM425

Mexico

 


Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

eric freedman
 

Colin,

What type of switch did you use to switch over all the wiring from one computer to another?

There must be at least a dozen wires.

 

The A/B switch just switches over the drives and the clutches. Not the computers, fluxgate compass, or rudder reference transducer.

 

 

I keep my spare course computer , fluxgate compass, and rudder reference computer under my bunk disconnected. It only takes 15 minutes to change over the computer,

compass, or rudder reference transducer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Colin Streeter
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Next to the other one in the compartment above the sink. Copied the many other Amels that have it there with a flick over Autopilot A and B switch alongside.

 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Where did you mount the second autopilot computer?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of colin.d.streeter@...
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.

 

We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.

 

We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.

 

We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?

 

Fair winds

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II - sm2k #332

Newport, QLD Australia 

 


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Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Next to the other one in the compartment above the sink. Copied the many other Amels that have it there with a flick over Autopilot A and B switch alongside.


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Where did you mount the second autopilot computer?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


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Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.

 

We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.

 

We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.

 

We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?

 

Fair winds

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II - sm2k #332

Newport, QLD Australia 



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Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Where did you mount the second autopilot computer?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of colin.d.streeter@...
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

 

 

Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.

 

We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.

 

We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.

 

We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?

 

Fair winds

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II - sm2k #332

Newport, QLD Australia 


position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.


We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.


We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.


We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?


Fair winds


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II - sm2k #332

Newport, QLD Australia 


Re: [Amel] New to group

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jason,

Welcome to our group. I echo what Kent said regarding Joel Potter.

BTW, Super Maramu hull #1 sold recently for 130,000 euros in Turkey.

Bill 
BeBe, #387


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jason.  All I will say here is that the SM and I assume all Amels are designed for a couple to live aboard and to sail the seven seas. They are very easy to sail short handed. They are stiff and dry and handle heavy seas with ease.
Do contact Joel Potter to help you find  a great Amel.  There are a number of quirks about Amels that would be foreign to most surveyors...make sure you find a surveyor who is very familiar with these boats.
Welcome to the group and good luck with your search.  It sounds like you have been bitten by the Amel bug, I'll be surprised if you end up with anything else.
Happy New Year to all.
Where are you located?
Kent
SM 243 (1999)
KRISTY
Brunswick GA USA


On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:19 PM, <jason.ellis@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


First, let me say I'm a bit nervous posting this message.  I don't want to appear to be an outsider barging in on a tight knit group.  The conversation here is so much better than over at Cruising Forums.  Too many armchair sailors....

OK, here's my story:

We are looking to take off and do some long distance cruising in around 6 years.  Essentially, we want our son to skip Junior High and travel at that time.  I have a good amount of blue water/coastal miles and tons of racing as experience. 99% of the time will be wife, myself and our son.  I expect to have additional family or friends along for super long ocean crossings.

I'm currently crewing on a Tayana 52 for regular coastal races.  I've been sailing wtih this same guy for the last 20 years on his J-37, J-105 and now Tayana.  While I really like the Tayana, i t just isn't very friendly for shorthanded sailing.

 My first encounter with the Amel boats was watching the SV Delos videos on YouTube.  I started noticing little design features that I really liked.  

We also looked at a SM 2000 Redline that's here in Houston.  I hope that the owner doesn't get offended if he sees this.  But the boat looked like it just wasn't maintained very well.  Played hard, put up wet.  Anyway, it was way out of our current price range.  The good news is that I was able to spend some time in it pulling up all of the cushions and hatches and really explore the boat.  Some really cool design features.

So, I have done a ton of searching on YachtWorld and have a few questions for you all.  We are only looking at boats over 45 ft. which leads us to the Mango, Santorin, Maramu and Super Maramu.

Are there any m odel years that you should be wary of?  Glass or blister problems?
It appears that each successive model got a bit bigger and utilized lessons learnt from the previous model.  Anything that we should avoid?  

I want to purchase within 3-4 years.  So, we are planning on regular European trips to go boat hunting across the pond.

In general, any advice would be much appreciated.  My ears are open and I have no real opinions yet.

Thanks for letting me join the group!

Jason



Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Craig,

Thanks for the clarity...and, of course, we will have to wait to see how this is enforced. I think that we will stick with our plan to enter Greece from Turkey in April at some point a distance from Turkey (too many horror stories about those Greek Islands close to Marmaris). If they want more than we think they deserve, we will just say, thanks, but no thanks and move on.

Bill
BeBe #387


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM, <sangaris@...> wrote:
 

I guess the last thing we should expect from the Greek taxing authority is clarity (or any taxing authority, for that matter!).  

 

If the translation posted on the CA website is accurate it does indeed say in Section 2, “The T.P.P. is calculated on a yearly basis … from January 1st to December 31st”.  However, it then says, “and is determined as follows:”  

“… for boats over 12 meters the TPP per year is 100 euros per meter

OR per month, ten euros per meter.”


I can see how you could interpret this as being strictly annual, but I interpreted the "OR" to mean you can pay monthly for the time you're in Greek waters.  That also seems consistent with Section 5 that says you can pay in December, or either before you enter Greek waters or when you get your Transit Log (or DEKPA for EU boats).  


So, for example, if Bebe enters Greece in June, she'll get her Transit Log and pay for a month, or however long she says she'll be in Greece.  If she stays a month and then decides on longer, she'll just check in elsewhere and pay the next month.


If it does mean it's strictly an annual tax, they're tacking on a hefty 20% extra charge for paying by credit card (12 months at 10 Euro per month vs 100 euros for the year.) Which also begs the question of how one would pay for a year on a credit card when entering mid-year - do they keep charging his card after he leaves?  That seems too bizarre even for the Greeks.

 

Will look forward to further info, Rink, from your inquiry, and, of course, it will be helpful to hear from anyone with “feet on the ground”, now that the new year is about here and the tax is in force.

 

Speaking of which, 

Happy New Year to all,

Craig Briggs, SN#68



Re: [Amel] New to group

karkauai
 

Hi Jason.  All I will say here is that the SM and I assume all Amels are designed for a couple to live aboard and to sail the seven seas. They are very easy to sail short handed. They are stiff and dry and handle heavy seas with ease.
Do contact Joel Potter to help you find  a great Amel.  There are a number of quirks about Amels that would be foreign to most surveyors...make sure you find a surveyor who is very familiar with these boats.
Welcome to the group and good luck with your search.  It sounds like you have been bitten by the Amel bug, I'll be surprised if you end up with anything else.
Happy New Year to all.
Where are you located?
Kent
SM 243 (1999)
KRISTY
Brunswick GA USA


On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:19 PM, <jason.ellis@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


First, let me say I'm a bit nervous posting this message.  I don't want to appear to be an outsider barging in on a tight knit group.  The conversation here is so much better than over at Cruising Forums.  Too many armchair sailors....

OK, here's my story:

We are looking to take off and do some long distance cruising in around 6 years.  Essentially, we want our son to skip Junior High and travel at that time.  I have a good amount of blue water/coastal miles and tons of racing as experience. 99% of the time will be wife, myself and our son.  I expect to have additional family or friends along for super long ocean crossings.

I'm currently crewing on a Tayana 52 for regular coastal races.  I've been sailing wtih this same guy for the last 20 years on his J-37, J-105 and now Tayana.  While I really like the Tayana, it just isn't very friendly for shorthanded sailing.

 My first encounter with the Amel boats was watching the SV Delos videos on YouTube.  I started noticing little design features that I really liked.  

We also looked at a SM 2000 Redline that's here in Houston.  I hope that the owner doesn't get offended if he sees this.  But the boat looked like it just wasn't maintained very well.  Played hard, put up wet.  Anyway, it was way out of our current price range.  The good news is that I was able to spend some time in it pulling up all of the cushions and hatches and really explore the boat.  Some really cool design features.

So, I have done a ton of searching on YachtWorld and have a few questions for you all.  We are only looking at boats over 45 ft. which leads us to the Mango, Santorin, Maramu and Super Maramu.

Are there any model years that you should be wary of?  Glass or blister problems?
It appears that each successive model got a bit bigger and utilized lessons learnt from the previous model.  Anything that we should avoid?  

I want to purchase within 3-4 years.  So, we are planning on regular European trips to go boat hunting across the pond.

In general, any advice would be much appreciated.  My ears are open and I have no real opinions yet.

Thanks for letting me join the group!

Jason


Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece

Craig Briggs
 

I guess the last thing we should expect from the Greek taxing authority is clarity (or any taxing authority, for that matter!).  

 

If the translation posted on the CA website is accurate it does indeed say in Section 2, “The T.P.P. is calculated on a yearly basis … from January 1st to December 31st”.  However, it then says, “and is determined as follows:”  

“… for boats over 12 meters the TPP per year is 100 euros per meter

OR per month, ten euros per meter.”


I can see how you could interpret this as being strictly annual, but I interpreted the "OR" to mean you can pay monthly for the time you're in Greek waters.  That also seems consistent with Section 5 that says you can pay in December, or either before you enter Greek waters or when you get your Transit Log (or DEKPA for EU boats).  


So, for example, if Bebe enters Greece in June, she'll get her Transit Log and pay for a month, or however long she says she'll be in Greece.  If she stays a month and then decides on longer, she'll just check in elsewhere and pay the next month.


If it does mean it's strictly an annual tax, they're tacking on a hefty 20% extra charge for paying by credit card (12 months at 10 Euro per month vs 100 euros for the year.) Which also begs the question of how one would pay for a year on a credit card when entering mid-year - do they keep charging his card after he leaves?  That seems too bizarre even for the Greeks.

 

Will look forward to further info, Rink, from your inquiry, and, of course, it will be helpful to hear from anyone with “feet on the ground”, now that the new year is about here and the tax is in force.

 

Speaking of which, 

Happy New Year to all,

Craig Briggs, SN#68


New to group

jason.ellis@...
 

Hello all,


First, let me say I'm a bit nervous posting this message.  I don't want to appear to be an outsider barging in on a tight knit group.  The conversation here is so much better than over at Cruising Forums.  Too many armchair sailors....

OK, here's my story:

We are looking to take off and do some long distance cruising in around 6 years.  Essentially, we want our son to skip Junior High and travel at that time.  I have a good amount of blue water/coastal miles and tons of racing as experience. 99% of the time will be wife, myself and our son.  I expect to have additional family or friends along for super long ocean crossings.

I'm currently crewing on a Tayana 52 for regular coastal races.  I've been sailing wtih this same guy for the last 20 years on his J-37, J-105 and now Tayana.  While I really like the Tayana, it just isn't very friendly for shorthanded sailing.

 My first encounter with the Amel boats was watching the SV Delos videos on YouTube.  I started noticing little design features that I really liked.  

We also looked at a SM 2000 Redline that's here in Houston.  I hope that the owner doesn't get offended if he sees this.  But the boat looked like it just wasn't maintained very well.  Played hard, put up wet.  Anyway, it was way out of our current price range.  The good news is that I was able to spend some time in it pulling up all of the cushions and hatches and really explore the boat.  Some really cool design features.

So, I have done a ton of searching on YachtWorld and have a few questions for you all.  We are only looking at boats over 45 ft. which leads us to the Mango, Santorin, Maramu and Super Maramu.

Are there any model years that you should be wary of?  Glass or blister problems?
It appears that each successive model got a bit bigger and utilized lessons learnt from the previous model.  Anything that we should avoid?  

I want to purchase within 3-4 years.  So, we are planning on regular European trips to go boat hunting across the pond.

In general, any advice would be much appreciated.  My ears are open and I have no real opinions yet.

Thanks for letting me join the group!

Jason


Re: [Amel] RE: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising

Stefano Biffi
 

Tks, enjoy holidays!

Il giorno 25/dic/2013, alle ore 14:55, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> ha scritto:

 

No, I do not. However, I was told that Amel stated that the color is exactly the same as AwlGrip color, "Desert Sand," and that is what I used.

Bill
BeBe #387
In Houston for the holidays


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM, <cptbiffi@...> wrote:
 

Bill do you have any RAL reference for the desert sand color? Tks and Merry Christmas Stefano N'EVEREST SM 185 dry in Italy



Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rink,

That is the way I read the law also.

Bill
BeBe, #387


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Rink de Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
 

Hi Craig,

I hope you are right. The way I interpret the bill is that if you are staying in Greek waters for a year, you are allowed to pay per month. Maybe that's the wrong interpretation.
I'll try to get some additional information from our embassy in Athens.

Rink



Re: [Amel] RE: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

No, I do not. However, I was told that Amel stated that the color is exactly the same as AwlGrip color, "Desert Sand," and that is what I used.

Bill
BeBe #387
In Houston for the holidays


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM, <cptbiffi@...> wrote:
 

Bill do you have any RAL reference for the desert sand color? Tks and Merry Christmas Stefano N'EVEREST SM 185 dry in Italy



Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

janodanielle
 

the amel come with a floating ground system.most of them also have a grounding plate for the ssb,when the boat don't have a ssb the grounding plate is connected to the rudder post with the main grounding of the boat.to install a ssb just disconnect this connection and isolate it ,then connect your tuner to the foil you should find in the ad hoc compartment.

if you want to keep advantage of the benefits of this elaborate ground system you have to use an isolated supply as in the original amel configuration.

an other possibility is to connect the tuner to the foil via ten or so small ceramic capacitors in parallel,this is the electronician trick,the isolated supply is the electrician trick.the capacitors will block any dc current therefore breaking the corrosion loop,but will be transparent to the hf current so the ssb will work fine.

a good safety would be to feed the ssb via a double breaker,one side switching thepositive the other the negative,and switching this off as soon as the ssb is not in use.

in general,grounding the tuner is enough to make the set working fine,as long as the shield of the coax cable between transceiver and tuner is correctly connected to theconnector and in good shape,if you ground the transceiver,connect this ground at the same place that the tuner,this will avoid some hf loops and the lighting of some devices in the boat,as well as limit the interactions with auto pilot and other things.

my set is grounded only at the tuner,and bearaway is known to have good ssb voice connection,and we use the pactor with great success.

j.bailliez

maramu  175 "bearaway"



Re: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising

Stefano Biffi
 

Bill do you have any RAL reference for the desert sand color? Tks and Merry Christmas Stefano N'EVEREST SM 185 dry in Italy


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat, 

First I should tell you I am a structural engineer, not a rigging expert.  

You are correct, it is near connections and points of wear, or small radius bends (e.g. swages, spreaders or at the bend in a split backstay) where rigging will generally fail first.  Failure at a connection is generally due to corrosion in and near the fittings, so cutting off that bit plus a good margin would get rid of the length weakened by corrosion.  However, when stainless corrodes it becomes pitted and these pits can set up a galvanic cell that may cause corrosion away from the connection.  You may not see this corrosion away from the connection if it is on the inside of the individual wires.

Because it is difficult to assess old rigging wire replaced due to visible corrosion, I would only use the wire as an emergency repair, not as the permanent rig material.  In the case of Stephanie's boat, she was convinced the rigging was in good condition so I encouraged them to keep it for future use.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 7:36 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Duane, I replaced my rigging on my main mast two years ago and I saved the old rigging. I also have old rigging from a previous boat. I have always read that the weak point in the rigging is just above or below the swages. If that's the case, could one cut a couple of feet off both ends and the wire safely used again. This is something I have wondered about and have held onto old rigging in case it could be of some use to someone.
                                                                                                                                                                    & nbsp;                                                Thanks, Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: carlylelk <carlylelk@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it. 

I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that.  Just thought you should separate the two issues.

I'm in the steel industry.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 
Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane, I replaced my rigging on my main mast two years ago and I saved the old rigging. I also have old rigging from a previous boat. I have always read that the weak point in the rigging is just above or below the swages. If that's the case, could one cut a couple of feet off both ends and the wire safely used again. This is something I have wondered about and have held onto old rigging in case it could be of some use to someone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Thanks, Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: carlylelk
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it. 

I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that.  Just thought you should separate the two issues.

I'm in the steel industry.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 
Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Re: Cruising tax in Greece

Rink De Haan
 

Hi Craig,

I hope you are right. The way I interpret the bill is that if you are staying in Greek waters for a year, you are allowed to pay per month. Maybe that's the wrong interpretation.
I'll try to get some additional information from our embassy in Athens.

Rink