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Re: [Amel] Amel design and engineering practices

Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

I agree with you Bill, no changes as everything can go wrong if you not leave enough time to understand the ideas behind every installation.

 

Best Regards and Merry Christmas

 

Dimitris

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Rouse
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Amel design and engineering practices

 

 

Waverider,

 

Two cents from me, and probably not worth much.

 

This Amel Owners Group is not like Cruisers Forum where you will experience vigorous debates from people that have read every book printed about sailing, but have not left their armchair in 10 years. 

 

This group is comprised of owners of sailboats conceived and manufactured by a real visionary, Henri Amel. For the most part, members of this group respect Amel's designs and over the years we have learned that The Captain (Henri Amel) was correct 99% of the time. I do not believe any other builder can claim this feat.

 

I am telling you this with utmost respect of you. You will make yourself look foolish to the members of this group by blindly criticizing the Captain's design...and in most cases (99%), you will be wrong. Believe me, you are blind until you own an Amel...once you are an owner, a new universe of design and engineering will be experienced by you. There are many of us who have challenged one of the Captain's idea, and regretted it later when we begin to understand. I am in that group. 

 

One word of advice when you get your Amel: Don't change anything for at least a year...and when looking for an Amel be wary of any Amel with extensive changes...you can only know why if you own an Amel. If you disagree with this, do not buy an Amel...you will be sorry.

 

I sincerely hope that you will join the rest of us as an owner of an Amel, because I believe you will be a frequent participant in our discussions...you will benefit and we will benefit from you. 

 

If you want one of the best used Amels available, contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

I hope this helps you and really hope that I have not offended you.

 

Bill

BeBe, SM 387

Currently in Fethiye, Turkey

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Yes ,

That’s Bill

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM


To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

Sorry eric, I am so use to Active, Neutral. Earth as shore supply (In Aus), when I work on ships I am more familiar with Phase to Phase voltage. I am boatless, I do not have a Amel, I would love to change that, but anyhow on another forum there was a lively debate on some short comings of ABYC and advantage of Isolating transformers.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/isolating-transformers-the-earth-wire-connection-conundrum-109344.html

I find the opinions interesting and incredibly informative, I would like to know more about the Amel system. Is your Bill Seifert the author of a book called, Offshore Sailing: 200 Essential Passagemaking Tips.

Cheers Waverider

 

On 23 December 2013 02:17, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Waverider,

Where is the neutral hooked up to an Amel?

 

When you hook up  an Amel to a European plug there is a blue, brown, and green/yellow wire.

The brown and blue together are 220 volts. The green yellow is the ground . There is No Neutral as in USA connections IE- the white.

 

When you hook up  your boat to a USA 50 amp plug. The black and red are connected to the blue and brown and the green is connected to the green /yellow. The white(neutral) is not used.

Unless your boat is wired differently from mine there is no neutral used on USA wiring and there is no available neutral on the European plugs as they only have 3 prongs.

 

With ABYC standards, I have a list somewhere written by Bill Seifert who was the project Manager of The Tartan Factory, The J Boat factory, and finally the Alden Factory, listing the factors that do not allow the Amel to be ABYC standard. The first one that comes to mind is that there is no dip tube in the fuel tank, Amel takes the fuel off the bottom. If I recall the mast and rigging are also not bonded, the color coding of the wiring is not ABYC standard and If I remember correctly there were about 20 other things which I ignored. The Amels are CE approved Group A, not ABYC . They are also not ORC class one approved unless you have one a lot of work to the boat after delivery.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...


Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats.

Waverider apoligies to eric.

 

On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:

 

Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?

 

Duane

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power.

The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.

 

All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons.

Fair winds

eric

 

 

 


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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

The original rigging was not on the boat.  But thank you for the heads up on that bit of info.

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:50 PM, carlylelk@... wrote:

 

Stephanie,


If the rigging is good, be sure to save it!  You can reuse it ten or 15 years from now.  Just label it well and secure it so it doesn;t try to unwind on you.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 3:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Stephanie,
 
My point was not to whether the rigging should or should not be changed but more so; when my insurance company is dictating my safety from behind a desk, and by doing so requires installation of an inferior system (according to the rigger) it is time to find a new company (or, a new rigger).
 
 
 
Best regards,
 
Mark
 
SM2K #275
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
 
 
Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:
 
"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"
 
Time to find a new insurance company.
 
Mark
SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Yes, the galley is small but functional.  On our Santorin, the original owner had the single berth in the aft passageway removed and converted to closed bin storage and topped off with a shelf that has a deep front guard so anything that is there is secure.  Lots of storage.

Fair winds

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

 

On our santorin the previous owner had changed the veg store into a bottle  cooler. Also under the small seat we have a freezer.  Also we had extra storage for tins etc forward  where the guest wardrobe was divided in half and shelves built .
Hope this helps.

Chris Smither,santorin Akwaaba 

On 23 Dec 2013, at 22:56, carlylelk@... wrote:

 

Stephanie,


I'm curious if you have had a chance to form an opinion of the galley on the Santorin.  It seems small, but the rest of the boat seems very nice.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 
"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"

Time to find a new insurance company.

Mark
SM2K #275


Miles--did youmake it to the caribbean?

eric freedman
 

Miles did you get to the Caribbean?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

On our santorin the previous owner had changed the veg store into a bottle  cooler. Also under the small seat we have a freezer.  Also we had extra storage for tins etc forward  where the guest wardrobe was divided in half and shelves built .
Hope this helps.

Chris Smither,santorin Akwaaba 

On 23 Dec 2013, at 22:56, carlylelk@... wrote:

 

Stephanie,


I'm curious if you have had a chance to form an opinion of the galley on the Santorin.  It seems small, but the rest of the boat seems very nice.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 
"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"

Time to find a new insurance company.

Mark
SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Duane Siegfri
 

Stephanie,

I'm curious if you have had a chance to form an opinion of the galley on the Santorin.  It seems small, but the rest of the boat seems very nice.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 
"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"

Time to find a new insurance company.

Mark
SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Joe and Martha
 

I very much appreciate Duane's comment.

I'm in the nuclear industry.

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: carlylelk
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it. 

I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that.  Just thought you should separate the two issues.

I'm in the steel industry.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 
Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Duane Siegfri
 

Stephanie,

If the rigging is good, be sure to save it!  You can reuse it ten or 15 years from now.  Just label it well and secure it so it doesn;t try to unwind on you.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 3:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Stephanie,
 
My point was not to whether the rigging should or should not be changed but more so; when my insurance company is dictating my safety from behind a desk, and by doing so requires installation of an inferior system (according to the rigger) it is time to find a new company (or, a new rigger).
 
 
 
Best regards,
 
Mark
 
SM2K #275
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
 
 
Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:
 
"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"
 
Time to find a new insurance company.
 
Mark
SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Mark Erdos
 

Stephanie,

 

My point was not to whether the rigging should or should not be changed but more so; when my insurance company is dictating my safety from behind a desk, and by doing so requires installation of an inferior system (according to the rigger) it is time to find a new company (or, a new rigger).

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Stephanie DiBelardino
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 

 

Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.

Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino

Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii

Santorin 88


On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"

 

Time to find a new insurance company.

 

Mark

SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Good point about QC!

Stephanie DiBelardino

On Dec 23, 2013, at 7:32 PM, carlylelk@... wrote:

 

There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it. 

I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that.  Just thought you should separate the two issues.

I'm in the steel industry.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 
Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Joel had mentioned in an e-mail about the 1993 Santorin, that the rigging should be changed after about 14 yrs.  and,  in fact,  it was changed in 2007, while Dikenec II was still in La Rochelle.
Fair winds and Merry Christmas!
Stephanie DiBelardino
Bianca f/k/a Dikenec Ii
Santorin 88

On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:50 PM, <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"


Time to find a new insurance company.


Mark

SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Mark Erdos
 

"Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not condition"


Time to find a new insurance company.


Mark

SM2K #275


Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Duane Siegfri
 

There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it. 

I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that.  Just thought you should separate the two issues.

I'm in the steel industry.

Duane


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 
Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Re: Cruising tax in Greece

Craig Briggs
 

Bill et al,

 

Per Rink & Maloes original post, I found the reference in the Cruising Association site they noted - here's link:

http://www.cruising.org.uk/system/files/Gr%20Gazette%20translation.pdf

 

If that gets messed up as this is posted, its http colon stroke stroke www dot cruising dot org dot uk stroke system stroke files stroke Gr percentsign 20 Gazette percentsign 20 translation dot pdf.

 

So, yes, it seems one can cruise leisurely through the Greek islands at 10Euro per meter per month.   That applies to everyone, regardless of Schengen or non-Schengen nationality/registration.

 

Coincidentally, I just got an email from the management at Messolonghi Marina (where we wintered a few seasons ago) and they state that the new "Tau Pi Pi" tax "Overwrites" all prior taxes.  Thus the "Reciprocal Tax" I noted earlier would no longer be in effect.  That's a positive in all this, if it's true.

 

You all can do the math for longer stays.  For example, though, it adds 1120 Euros to a seven month over-wintering in a Greek marina (on a 16M boat).  

 

Best regards,

Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris - SN#68


Re: Request for help

contact@...
 

For a generator ONAN 11MDKBN Spec F Fuel filter : 0149-2106 Oil filter : 0185-5835 Impeller :: 0132-0498 O ring impeller : 0541-1519 Zinc : 0130-4434 Hope this can help you.


Re: Request for help

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

JP,
I can provide the part numbers for my impellers. I have 54 #31 with the Volvo D3, but my Onan is the 9.5kva model #MDKBM. I don't know if there is a difference in the impellers? I would guess no difference, but you should verify.

Volvo impeller part #3842786

Onan impeller part #132-0375, is the same as Sherwood #10077K

Cheers,
Bob & Mary Lu
Gallivant
currently in French St. Martin for the holidays.

--





Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Mark Erdos
 

Has anyone else had experience with Kos or Peterson? Are the products sold at these companies truly of higher quality?

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 6:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

 

 

Hello Alain,

 

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

 

There are two very important rules to follow.

 

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 

Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.

Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

 

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

 

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.

Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

 

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

 

Regards

Graham

Sharki 181 Zephyr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 

 

Hello to all,

PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?

I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions

Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;

Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?

Thanks in advance

Alain

 

 


Re: [Amel] Amel design and engineering practices

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Well said, we love our santorin and are sad to sell her.  Amel is a philosophy as well as a boat. the good Captain Henri knew about boats and sailing.
Fair winds ,calm seas and happy days,
Merry Christmas

Mike and Chris, santorin sloop Akwaaba

On 23 Dec 2013, at 14:34, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Waverider,

Two cents from me, and probably not worth much.

This Amel Owners Group is not like Cruisers Forum where you will experience vigorous debates from people that have read every book printed about sailing, but have not left their armchair in 10 years. 

This group is comprised of owners of sailboats conceived and manufactured by a real visionary, Henri Amel. For the most part, members of this group respect Amel's designs and over the years we have learned that The Captain (Henri Amel) was correct 99% of the time. I do not believe any other builder can claim this feat.

I am telling you this with utmost respect of you. You will make yourself look foolish to the members of this group by blindly criticizing the Captain's design...and in most cases (99%), you will be wrong. Believe me, you are blind until you own an Amel...once you are an owner, a new universe of design and engineering will be experienced by you. There are many of us who have challenged one of the Captain's idea, and regretted it later when we begin to understand. I am in that group. 

One word of advice when you get your Amel: Don't change anything for at least a year...and when looking for an Amel be wary of any Amel with extensive changes...you can only know why if you own an Amel. If you disagree with this, do not buy an Amel...you will be sorry.

I sincerely hope that you will join the rest of us as an owner of an Amel, because I believe you will be a frequent participant in our discussions...you will benefit and we will benefit from you. 

If you want one of the best used Amels available, contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale.

I hope this helps you and really hope that I have not offended you.

Bill
BeBe, SM 387
Currently in Fethiye, Turkey


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

Yes ,

That’s Bill

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM


To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

Sorry eric, I am so use to Active, Neutral. Earth as shore supply (In Aus), when I work on ships I am more familiar with Phase to Phase voltage. I am boatless, I do not have a Amel, I would love to change that, but anyhow on another forum there was a lively debate on some short comings of ABYC and advantage of Isolating transformers.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/isolating-transformers-the-earth-wire-connection-conundrum-109344.html

I find the opinions interesting and incredibly informative, I would like to know more about the Amel system. Is your Bill Seifert the author of a book called, Offshore Sailing: 200 Essential Passagemaking Tips.

Cheers Waverider

 

On 23 December 2013 02:17, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Waverider,

Where is the neutral hooked up to an Amel?

 

When you hook up  an Amel to a European plug there is a blue, brown, and green/yellow wire.

The brown and blue together are 220 volts. The green yellow is the ground . There is No Neutral as in USA connections IE- the white.

 

When you hook up  your boat to a USA 50 amp plug. The black and red are connected to the blue and brown and the green is connected to the green /yellow. The white(neutral) is not used.

Unless your boat is wired differently from mine there is no neutral used on USA wiring and there is no available neutral on the European plugs as they only have 3 prongs.

 

With ABYC standards, I have a list somewhere written by Bill Seifert who was the project Manager of The Tartan Factory, The J Boat factory, and finally the Alden Factory, listing the factors that do not allow the Amel to be ABYC standard. The first one that comes to mind is that there is no dip tube in the fuel tank, Amel takes the fuel off the bottom. If I recall the mast and rigging are also not bonded, the color coding of the wiring is not ABYC standard and If I remember correctly there were about 20 other things which I ignored. The Amels are CE approved Group A, not ABYC . They are also not ORC class one approved unless you have one a lot of work to the boat after delivery.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...


Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats.

Waverider apoligies to eric.

 

On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:

 

Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?

 

Duane

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power.

The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.

 

All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons.

Fair winds

eric

 

 

 


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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Just a comment:  i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!

Stephanie DiBelardino
SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL


On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

 

Hello Alain,

As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials.

There are two very important rules to follow.

1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . 
Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers.
Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it!

2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced.

Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats.
Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr





 


From: "alainfeuillet@..." <alainfeuillet@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material

 
Hello to all,
PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it?
I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions
Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK;
Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources?
Thanks in advance
Alain
 



Amel design and engineering practices

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Waverider,

Two cents from me, and probably not worth much.

This Amel Owners Group is not like Cruisers Forum where you will experience vigorous debates from people that have read every book printed about sailing, but have not left their armchair in 10 years. 

This group is comprised of owners of sailboats conceived and manufactured by a real visionary, Henri Amel. For the most part, members of this group respect Amel's designs and over the years we have learned that The Captain (Henri Amel) was correct 99% of the time. I do not believe any other builder can claim this feat.

I am telling you this with utmost respect of you. You will make yourself look foolish to the members of this group by blindly criticizing the Captain's design...and in most cases (99%), you will be wrong. Believe me, you are blind until you own an Amel...once you are an owner, a new universe of design and engineering will be experienced by you. There are many of us who have challenged one of the Captain's idea, and regretted it later when we begin to understand. I am in that group. 

One word of advice when you get your Amel: Don't change anything for at least a year...and when looking for an Amel be wary of any Amel with extensive changes...you can only know why if you own an Amel. If you disagree with this, do not buy an Amel...you will be sorry.

I sincerely hope that you will join the rest of us as an owner of an Amel, because I believe you will be a frequent participant in our discussions...you will benefit and we will benefit from you. 

If you want one of the best used Amels available, contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale.

I hope this helps you and really hope that I have not offended you.

Bill
BeBe, SM 387
Currently in Fethiye, Turkey


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

Yes ,

That’s Bill

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM


To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

Sorry eric, I am so use to Active, Neutral. Earth as shore supply (In Aus), when I work on ships I am more familiar with Phase to Phase voltage. I am boatless, I do not have a Amel, I would love to change that, but anyhow on another forum there was a lively debate on some short comings of ABYC and advantage of Isolating transformers.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f14/isolating-transformers-the-earth-wire-connection-conundrum-109344.html

I find the opinions interesting and incredibly informative, I would like to know more about the Amel system. Is your Bill Seifert the author of a book called, Offshore Sailing: 200 Essential Passagemaking Tips.

Cheers Waverider

 

On 23 December 2013 02:17, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Waverider,

Where is the neutral hooked up to an Amel?

 

When you hook up  an Amel to a European plug there is a blue, brown, and green/yellow wire.

The brown and blue together are 220 volts. The green yellow is the ground . There is No Neutral as in USA connections IE- the white.

 

When you hook up  your boat to a USA 50 amp plug. The black and red are connected to the blue and brown and the green is connected to the green /yellow. The white(neutral) is not used.

Unless your boat is wired differently from mine there is no neutral used on USA wiring and there is no available neutral on the European plugs as they only have 3 prongs.

 

With ABYC standards, I have a list somewhere written by Bill Seifert who was the project Manager of The Tartan Factory, The J Boat factory, and finally the Alden Factory, listing the factors that do not allow the Amel to be ABYC standard. The first one that comes to mind is that there is no dip tube in the fuel tank, Amel takes the fuel off the bottom. If I recall the mast and rigging are also not bonded, the color coding of the wiring is not ABYC standard and If I remember correctly there were about 20 other things which I ignored. The Amels are CE approved Group A, not ABYC . They are also not ORC class one approved unless you have one a lot of work to the boat after delivery.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...


Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

 

What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats.

Waverider apoligies to eric.

 

On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:

 

Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?

 

Duane

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor

 

There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power.

The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.

 

All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons.

Fair winds

eric

 

 

 


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