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Gearbox ratio

Mark Barter
 
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I have been asked for the gearbox ratio of the gearbox and I am away from the boat. 

The boat is a 1993 Super Maramu hull number 110. It is a Hurth gearbox.

The engine is a Perkins M80T

Can anyone help please?

Many thanks 
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Scuba compressor recommendations

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Arlo,

Bauer PE100 on Onan MDKAL 50Hz 220V

Best regards,

Stefan Jeukendrup
sv Malaka Queen
SM2k  #348 @Turkey


Re: Scuba compressor recommendations

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:18:47 AM CDT, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:


hello all, I plan to install a SCUBA compressor to fill the tanks and it will run using my 5.5 kw genset. Looking for recommendations on makes and model from those that have them onboard. 


locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Scott SV Tengah
 

Some of my thoughts, original in regular font and my response in italics

Sheriffdep

As a thought - I also am considering if purchasing the SM2k doing a separate 12v bank purely for electronic usage and anything 12v. The Beneteau 57 has a 280amp hr bank for that and separated the 24v bank. Haven't done the calculations for that completely but would dedicate 1x solar panel for keeping that topped off (engine alternator when running also) and be able to charge cameras, flashlights, and run the depth and wind MFd's all day everyday without draining any of the main battery bank. Might be a bit over the top, but it would help. Options for extending the banks could be to put 2x extra 24v bank batteries in the aft clothes locker beside the bank or put them beside the nav station on the floor. Putting that extra pair should be fine as long as all the wires running to the unswitched distribution block from all the pairs are of equal length. That way they will all charge and discharge the same.  

I wouldn't bother with a separate 12v bank. It adds complication without additional benefit. You are at anchor 80-90% of the time anyways, so your bank is really about running house appliances. I don't know anyone who has said that the 24-12v converter can't handle their 12v needs. Further, if the SM2k is anything like the A54, you won't need to add extra space for batteries. I have 450AH @24v and use part of the battery bank area to store unused blankets. Keep in mind we went from 12 gel batteries to six Victron Smart Lithium 150AH@12v. I could have easily added more.

Solar panels - I also noticed MOST people, lets say having 3x panels, have one MPPT to charge the bank. That one MPPT is the same cost as what 3x MPPT's would be for each panel due to inputed power levels. So if you had 3x MPPTs you would have complete redundancy if one went bad. Same cost. 

Please explain what you mean by 3x would cost the same as one due to inputed power? Are you saying that you gain so much cumulative AH due to more shade tolerance that it's worth it to pay for 3 MPPTs? 

 If we all could run the AC unit or units off the bank I am sure we would. However take a look at the Gone with the Wynns website and on there they have a video explain a "soft start" modual that attaches to the ac unit and will drastically lower the amp hrs used and keep the kick start amp hrs way down. It manipulates the start up sequence to prevent the spike. This possibly if utilized would allow more usage of the AC's in a hot climate. I will be installing at least 1 if not for all three units. 

I thought a soft start only impacted the current drawn at compressor startup? How does it impact current draw once the AC is running? We can easily start and run our AC units on our 5kw Victron inverter and unless Climma includes a soft start module, we don't have one.

Either custom setup or OEM drop ins with the available space I do want to maximize the amp hrs usable. I will be a heavy user for sure and don't want to run the gen. 

A very large bank will not eliminate your genset usage. If you don't match it with sufficient renewables (solar, wind), then a huge bank simply prolongs the interval between when you have to run the genset. The energy has to come from somewhere. We use about 225AH per day more or less. Our 960w array has been providing that and more, so we usually don't run the genset except to keep it functioning or while on passage. Note we rarely run AC, but we run the dishwasher at least daily, water maker every few days, scuba compressor now and then, washing machine twice a week, ice maker, Tv, etc. For our uses, 450ah is just perfect as it allows me to keep the batteries in a SOC range where they're happy. 


Elja

i ask Victron for his batteries a BMS for all batteries
There is my concern if this fails and it is not noticed all batteries damaged if each battery has a BMS is only one damaged.

You are right that it's a good idea to think about how you are going to fix things when they fail far from a dealer. I went through this thought exericise with our Victron setup. There is only one BMS, but if the BMS fails or there is a problem with the BMS circuit, charging and load are disconnected. I guess you can call that "fail safe" but the net effect is that all the batteries are protected. IMO, it's important to think about how you go forward if you're in the Tuamotus and that happens. If you have a backup, great. But for us, the batteries, should they not be damaged, will still work. If one of the 6 batteries are damaged, I take it and its pair out of the bank and move on. In the absence of a functioning BMS, my emergency plan is to bypass the BMS and monitor things manually (via bluetooth) until I can get a new BMS sent to me. 

For anyone considering any lithium system, you really should understand how the BMS works for your particular setup. If, for example, with a high cell voltage condition, it simply cuts off the batteries from the charging circuit suddenly, some chargers and I believe most alternators would be damaged. My system isn't perfect - for low cell voltage, for example, I don't like Victron's "cut off all loads" solution. What if I'm in the middle of a storm? I certainly don't want to lose autopilot and navigation.

I would not trust your supplier or your manufacturer to think through the unique situations we put ourselves in as far-off-the-grid cruisers. I have worked with both Victron high level techs and also a very well regarded dealer and they both gave me bad advice. 


Paul
For the one who use drop in, make sure they not only rated to run your bowthruster but also capable in real life, in some drop in the internat cables and BMS are not for high loads. can recommend Will Prowse on youtube very illustrative and easy to follow, he have teared a few drop in batteris apart and had a look what was inside, some of them you do not want to have onboard.


Agree with you there. I can tell you that the Victron Smart 150ah, run in serial pairs to get 24v and parallel to get to 450ah will easily run our Sleipner bow thruster with both the engine and chargers OFF. I spent a lot of time diagnosing a problem with our BT and did it all on battery. The draw is around 8000w I believe and we never saw less than 24.4v Our batteries supposedly can handle 2C continuous, so that means I should be able to draw 900amps continuously. Make sure your batteries can handle the rated draw, before you're away from the dock.

Victron sources Chinese cells but quality checks them and assembles them in a way that I trust. When they say the battery will deliver 2C, I believe it. I am sure if you are a capable engineer, you can do what Victron did for much less money, but I don't have that skill nor time, so I sadly just paid up!

I would caution against trusting that a drop in solution will work over the long term. Lithium is so different than lead acid in terms of charging profile, power delivery profile, how you keep them happy, the systems in place to keep them from failing, etc. Keep in mind that with one under voltage or over voltage event, you can kill a cell and therefore a battery, completely. While I am not overly concerned that Lifepo4 will explode like you cell phone battery and sink your boat, a battery system failure at the wrong time could have nearly the same effect if it's in the wrong place.

Arno

This is my biggest problem with Battle Born batteries. You cannot have sensible interfacing with other systems.
Lithium batteries like to be kept between 20 and 75% state of charge if you have extended charging facilities (i.e. shore power) . The voltage alone makes it very hard to determine the state of charge when a system is at use. Basically you need a Coulomb counter to see the SOC at any point in time. Ideally your BMS should provide you with this information and adjust the float voltage of any charging device in such way it can maintain a desired SOC after bulk charging. Given the different sources of charge you can have on a boat this is not so simple.

I believe Mastervolt makes staying within a SOC range quite easy, but MV is even more $$$ than Victron. On our system, the coulomb counter you speak of is our BMV-712 battery monitor. You do need to calibrate it monthly by charging to 100%, but otherwise it has a programmable relay that you can use to send a signal when battery SOC hits x and send another signal when SOC hits Y. You could easily use that relay output to tell your chargers to stop charging when SOC is at Y and to start charging again when SOC drops to X. All of the charging sources on my boat (solar, alternator, Quattro, Skylla) can be controlled by this. 

One last thing I would caution for anyone trying to figure out their own battery protection systems or even those using Victron is that you need to ensure that when the BMS sends a "stop charging" signal, the alternator actually stops charging and does so in a safe manner. It took me over a year to figure out how to get the Victron BMS to talk to our Mastervolt alternator charge controller in case the BMS senses a cell over-voltage condition. 

This is not something that is unlikely. In the last two years, I can recall at least 10 times when, approaching high SOC, we had an imbalance and one of the cells (out of 24 in our system) hit 3.8v and the BMS told the alternator to stop charging and the alternator stopped in a safe way to avoid damaging it. Aside: The BMS will balance the cells, but can't do it instantaneously and cannot do it with too high of charging current. If your alternator simply looked at the battery voltage or the bank voltage or the SOC, it wouldn't have seen the CELL overvoltage condition that battery would have been destroyed. The BMS must talk to the alternator.

Oh and make sure that the alternator has a temperature sensor and can taper output when it overheats because the max output duration placed on it by lithium is likely far longer than it ever saw with lead/agm/gel.

As a cautionary tale, I know of a former Amel owner who installed 1200AH (!!!!) of Victron lithium and they died within 2 years. He was quite wealthy, so I presume he paid someone a hefty sum and figured it would be done right. As with anything in a cruising boat, when something fails, the installer often shrugs his shoulders and the skipper deals with the consequences in the most inconvenient place and time. Even more so with a "newer" technology like lithium.

 


-- 
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Bowthruster motor switch

Scott SV Tengah
 

I replaced my motor. Yes, you need to grind down the shaft a bit - not sure about 20cm though...

Also, the replacement is a newer model and they moved the solenoids to the forward (relative to your boat) side of the motor. We needed to trim the bow locker floor and also move the stairs forward. Not sure if you have the same problem?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Scuba compressor recommendations

Scott SV Tengah
 

I also have the Junior 2, electric and mounted in the cockpit locker. Great little compressor and runs off our 5kw inverter just fine. 

Tip: run it at night - with lower temperatures, the filter should last longer. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Help needed for installation of a self tailing anchor windlass on Amel Euros

Aquarius 136
 

Hi everyone,

It's time to replace the good old anchor winch on our Euros 41. The thing is, per the original Amel design, the chain is not self-tailing as it is I believe on most Amels.

We would like to change that by making some modifications, namely installing a guiding tube for the chain. See photos attached.

Notably, it looks like we have to cut a hole below where the chain currently sits, to store the chain deeper, as it probably needs more fall with the self tailoring, rather than being hand laid.
This hole would basically be where the storage compartment in the bow now is (below the anchor chain box). Not sure it is a good thing to make such modification.

If anyone has any experience in doing this modification or similar, your insights would be much appreciated.

Regards
Valentin


Re: Amel Euros 41 anyone?

Aquarius 136
 

Hi Rachel and Andy,

My Aquarius is hull number 136, in relatively good shape, located in Spain. Where is yours?

Valentin


Re: Hose in holding tank

Peter Jaeger
 

My hose was completely broken away. I laminated a plastic hose instead. Not the nicest solution, works perfect since 4 years
Peter, SV Wilson, SM 003, Neustadt Germany


locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Sheriffdep
 

Arno,

Can you explain further the BMS BB communication issues? 

Am I wrong in saying Most drop in sets have the BMS? I know you can make the cells yourself and then add outside BMS but thought the self contained ones all came with them. 

My thoughts  -  Making a custom system and filling the battery box on the SM2k and having a ton of amp hrs avaialable seems easily doable. However, not done the math, but I think financially it wouldn't be that drastic of a savings to where I would want to lets say risk the investment. Everyone has their own risk tolerance. Like a lot of the china made current batts they range from $550-800 where the BB are $850-950. Seems the BB are the most robust and best made so since this is a 15-30yr investment that little amount is peanuts overall.  

Either custom setup or OEM drop ins with the available space I do want to maximize the amp hrs usable. I will be a heavy user for sure and don't want to run the gen. Any ideas or places to research?? 

Thanks, I hope this helps others along with me


locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Sheriffdep,

It depends what you call a LiFePO battery. But I can tell you without a doubt that the (prismatic) cells you can buy at AliExpress and other sites have no BMS build in.
Having a BMS overseeing the full battery bank is useful for cell balancing. Mastervolt is/was using Chinese Wilson cells in their batteries with a proprietary BMS on top of it enabling it to communicate with other Mastervolt stuff across the Masterbus interface. Very nice but very expensive.

This is my biggest problem with Battle Born batteries. You cannot have sensible interfacing with other systems.
Lithium batteries like to be kept between 20 and 75% state of charge if you have extended charging facilities (i.e. shore power) . The voltage alone makes it very hard to determine the state of charge when a system is at use. Basically you need a Coulomb counter to see the SOC at any point in time. Ideally your BMS should provide you with this information and adjust the float voltage of any charging device in such way it can maintain a desired SOC after bulk charging. Given the different sources of charge you can have on a boat this is not so simple.

Personally  I'm still looking for a BMS that can handle this task without me having to reconfigure everything every time I go out sailing. But I'm on shore power most of the time.

Kind Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels - Sat, 09/12/2020 20:00-21:00, Please RSVP #cal-reminder

 

Earlier today, I discussed the upcoming meeting with the owner of QSails. He is going to present a video tour of his facility and has some simple-to-use graphic information to aid you in choosing the right sailcloth for your Amel.

 Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:00 PM main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> wrote:

Reminder: Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels

When: Saturday, 12 September 2020, 20:00 to 21:00, (GMT+00:00) UTC

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description: Time will be 2000 UTC.

Over 60 Amel owners have purchased sails from QSails, Izmir, Turkey. QSails has shipped these sails worldwide. Emrah Oge, owner, manager, and avid sailor will present how sails are made and some key points to be aware of in the selection of sails for your Amel. 

QSails offers very fast shipments of sails for many Amel models. In fact, many Amel sails are actually shipped from pre-made stock at QSails.

To ensure that you get the best quality and the best price, QSails and Amel owners have designed 3 simple choices for you of Good, Better, and Best:

GOOD - CrossCut AP Dacron is a quote for budget-minded Super Maramu owners who would like a Dacron polyester cross-cut sail similar to what Doyle Sails provides.
BETTER - TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Dimension/Polyant Dacron is a quote for those owners wanting a very high-quality Dacron Polyester fiber sailcloth from the German company Dimension-Polyant. It is cut and assembled in a TriRadial configuration. This is a slightly higher quality sail with the same TriRadial construction that your Super Maramu had when new.
BEST
- HydraNet TriRadial Cut is a quote for TriRadial Cut HydraNet from the German company Dimension-Polyant. I consider Dimension-Polyant the best sailcloth manufacturer in the world, and HydraNet the best sailcloth...it will not stretch.

Zoom link for the meeting:

Topic: AYOG Monthly Zoom Meeting: QSails

Time: Sep 12, 2020 20:00 Greenwich Mean Time

Join Zoom Meeting

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locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Paul Osterberg
 

I ordered 16x270 Ah prismatic cells from China for a DIY system, guess i get them 5-6 weeks from now, That will give me 540 Ah 24 volt, probably go for a rec BMS (compatible with Victron system), will make video and post on the forum when ready. Will take ample time for installations as it is a few cables that I will replace and tidy up when I'm at it. For the one who use drop in, make sure they not only rated to run your bowthruster but also capable in real life, in some drop in the internat cables and BMS are not for high loads. can recommend Will Prowse on youtube very illustrative and easy to follow, he have teared a few drop in batteris apart and had a look what was inside, some of them you do not want to have onboard.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, lags, Portugal sykerpa.com


Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels - Sat, 09/12/2020 20:00-21:00, Please RSVP #cal-reminder

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder: Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels

When: Saturday, 12 September 2020, 20:00 to 21:00, (GMT+00:00) UTC

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description: Time will be 2000 UTC.

Over 60 Amel owners have purchased sails from QSails, Izmir, Turkey. QSails has shipped these sails worldwide. Emrah Oge, owner, manager, and avid sailor will present how sails are made and some key points to be aware of in the selection of sails for your Amel. 

QSails offers very fast shipments of sails for many Amel models. In fact, many Amel sails are actually shipped from pre-made stock at QSails.

To ensure that you get the best quality and the best price, QSails and Amel owners have designed 3 simple choices for you of Good, Better, and Best:

GOOD - CrossCut AP Dacron is a quote for budget-minded Super Maramu owners who would like a Dacron polyester cross-cut sail similar to what Doyle Sails provides.
BETTER - TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Dimension/Polyant Dacron is a quote for those owners wanting a very high-quality Dacron Polyester fiber sailcloth from the German company Dimension-Polyant. It is cut and assembled in a TriRadial configuration. This is a slightly higher quality sail with the same TriRadial construction that your Super Maramu had when new.
BEST
- HydraNet TriRadial Cut is a quote for TriRadial Cut HydraNet from the German company Dimension-Polyant. I consider Dimension-Polyant the best sailcloth manufacturer in the world, and HydraNet the best sailcloth...it will not stretch.

Zoom link for the meeting:

Topic: AYOG Monthly Zoom Meeting: QSails

Time: Sep 12, 2020 20:00 Greenwich Mean Time

Join Zoom Meeting

https://epfl.zoom.us/j/94687396754

Meeting ID: 946 8739 6754

Link for the Youtube stream: https://youtu.be/nQob9dJu3RE

 


Re: Hose in holding tank

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

Nope, not at all. 

Regards
Ann-Sofie 


Skickat från min iPhone

10 sep. 2020 kl. 18:24 skrev Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>:

Lady Annila Thank you!
Now I understand, not very user friendly solution, not very Amel at all.
Paul


Re: Hose in holding tank

Paul Osterberg
 

Lady Annila Thank you!
Now I understand, not very user friendly solution, not very Amel at all.
Paul


Re: Hose in holding tank

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Paul, to avoid build up, we pump out the bowl fully then flush with  minimum of 25 strokes. 

We also use a mild acid solution to clean out this pipe when on the hard. 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007


On 11/09/2020, at 5:09 AM, Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:

It is possible. It takes a lot of black words though 😄.
Use whatever tool you have to loosen the copper tube from the plastic. It is not screwed inplace more like glued in place.

Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

10 sep. 2020 kl. 17:38 skrev Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>:

I have build up in the hose inside the holding tank. To me it looks as magic, how did the mount that one? Is it possible to replace? How?
Paul on sykerpa SM 259, Lagos Portugal 
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Re: Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you for your reports to the forum. I can absolutely support Arno and Mohamad
Our 110-IC is still running strong and has been very reliable with over 3000 hours. Touch wood ;-)

Fair winds
Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl
WASABI 
A54-#055


Re: Scuba compressor recommendations

Porter McRoberts
 

We bought a used Bauer Junior II. 230/50hz. Wired it directly to the breaker board.  We keep it in the port side cockpit lazarette and run it in the cockpit. The coolest, shadiest most well ventilated spot.  They last forever, and are built to be used commercially filling tanks all day every day. 
It’s heavy, but bulletproof, filters are actually getting cheaper with time and easily found. Very minimal maintenance, and easy to use. 
Many put them in the ER. We simply have no room down there. 

Pretty amazing to dive in the most out of way places. West coast of Ua-Pou. Palmerston. Hapai group Tonga. This am White valley in Tahiti: went yesterday, probably one of the best dives of my life, but easy to get your tank filled in Tahiti!  Best of luck!



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:18 AM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

hello all, I plan to install a SCUBA compressor to fill the tanks and it will run using my 5.5 kw genset. Looking for recommendations on makes and model from those that have them onboard. 


Re: Hose in holding tank

Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

It is possible. It takes a lot of black words though 😄.
Use whatever tool you have to loosen the copper tube from the plastic. It is not screwed inplace more like glued in place.

Regards
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

10 sep. 2020 kl. 17:38 skrev Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>:

I have build up in the hose inside the holding tank. To me it looks as magic, how did the mount that one? Is it possible to replace? How?
Paul on sykerpa SM 259, Lagos Portugal 
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