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Hello Bill,
I would like to attend if it is possible.
thank you, Paul
Aramis
SM 444
San Francisco
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Hi Arnold;
I had placed an order for about 10 packs a few years ago. At the time they were 5 Euros per pack. I do see now that they have increased their price to 27.53 Euros on their website. That is an unexpected increase.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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On Behalf Of Arnold Mente via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:13 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps
Hi Mohammad and Atypisch,
wehre did you buy the sterilizing powder? My last bill from Desallator was € 22,95 +20% VAT for the powder!
SM203
Am 22.04.2020 um 18:05 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:
We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues.
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing"
powder." This is regardless of the size.
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Owners Yacht School
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:
Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket
to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of
the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than
recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This
makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an
"experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle
the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed
replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers
have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check
ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage
postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory
regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without
the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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Owners Yacht School
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Address: 720
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing
they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Arnold Mente
Hi Mohammad and Atypisch,
wehre did you buy the sterilizing powder? My last bill from Desallator was € 22,95 +20% VAT for the powder!
Best and be save
Arnold SY Zephyr SM203 Am 22.04.2020 um 18:05 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo < mshirloo@...>: We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues. Happy Sailing; Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing" powder." This is regardless of the size. | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown < paul.dowd@...> wrote: Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps. There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously. Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond." BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts. | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
-- Arnold SY Zephyr SM203
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We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing"
powder." This is regardless of the size.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:
Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated
through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem.
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is
the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause,
especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator.
IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a
small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed,
more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were
deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium
Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of
ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that
rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes
with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this:
"We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful
to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism
of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Address: 720
Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing
they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Paul,
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing" powder." This is regardless of the size.
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Address:
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown < paul.dowd@...> wrote: Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps. There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously. Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond." BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts. | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 22 April 2020 15:10
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps. There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously. Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond." BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts. | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Matt, - We were never in cold climates
- We were on the boat continuously with very few exceptions
- I installed a 24-volt timer and solenoid valve to flush 2x weekly when we were off the boat for a month
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So what did you use, if you stored the boat? I heard that propylene glycol (RV water system antifreeze) is a good substitute?...... ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to
Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better.
During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Address:
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Matt Salatino
So what did you use, if you stored the boat? I heard that propylene glycol (RV water system antifreeze) is a good substitute?...... ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to
Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better.
During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to
Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better.
During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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Amel Owners Yacht School
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Arno Luijten
Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Re: ZOOM Meeting Technical Questions:
#ZOOM
Rudolf Waldispuehl
Hi Tilo
I’m interested to join! Please put me on the list.
Regards from Zurich
Ruedi Waldispuehl WASABI A54. #55
For those planning to attend the ZOOM meeting, please post questions to the Topic " ZOOM meeting technical questions" by replying to this email.
Tilo Peters will likely respond to these technical questions.
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FW: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting of Members
#ZOOM
#poll
Rudolf Waldispuehl
Hi Bill
I’m interested to join! Please put me on the list. These is a great idea, thanks. Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites.
Sorry I’m probably a bit late because I was blocked due to Covid-19. For a later session one of interesting topic is the Volvo D3-110 iC issues prevention.
Best Ruedi Waldispuehl WASABI A54. #55
Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:
[Edited Message Follows] A poll has been updated: We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule. The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide: | Country | GMT +/- | Scheduled Time | Scheduled Date | | (GMT) | 0 | 2000 | 4/25/2020 | | UK Summer Time | 100 | 2100 | 4/25/2020 | | NZ | 1200 | 800 | 4/26/2020 | | AU Queensland | 1000 | 600 | 4/26/2020 | | Tahiti | -1000 | 1000 | 4/25/2020 | | USA West | -700 | 1300 | 4/25/2020 | | USA East | -400 | 1600 | 4/25/2020 | | USA Central | -600 | 1400 | 4/25/2020 | | Martinique | -400 | 1600 | 4/25/2020 | | Germany | 200 | 2200 | 4/25/2020 | | Central EU Summer Time | 200 | 2200 | 4/25/2020 | | Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/ |
You can select multiple answers. We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.
1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000
Vote Now Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.
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Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube
Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Hello Heinz, Thank you very much for your interest into the IDN system. Could you please send an e-mail to me at: diego.demiguel@... ? then I will reply your e-mail with more detailed info, technichal specifications, and will add to Alejando Samaniego (CEO of IDN) in copy. Thus he will be able to add more info if needed. Thanks again for you interest mate! Best Regards, Diego.
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Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube
Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Thanks to you Ian.
I am planning to cross the Atlantic in december and to go to Florida.
I see that you are in Fort Lauderdale, so we will be able to meet each other in the real world :-)
All the best,
Diego.
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Davi Rozgonyi
Hey all, not to drift the thread slightly, but my dessalator has been leaking pure product water from somewhere in the assembly I've yet to trace. It isn't coming from the two fresh water hoses that take away product water. What is left? Would a defective end cap crack cause this or more likely would spurt high pressure salt water? Or is there a seal kit that is more likely to fix the issue?
Thanks...
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Just after buying Aquarius I had new membranes installed, and the white nylon end caps were no good, so I had them replaced them with brand new black ones from Dessalator. Two years later in New Zealand I had to get one new one custom made because the high pressure connector that goes between the two end caps was leaking. The end cap had several cracks at that connection. Anyway, I think there has to be a better solution for the end caps and the tubes to hold the membranes, but the high pressure pumps from Dessalator are amazing!
Just one opinion.
Aquarius
SM2K #262
Still stuck in Phuket Thailand
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Peter,
I added you. You need to cast the vote yourself. I cannot do that for you. CLICK HERE TO VOTE: Vote Now
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Hi Bill Please put me on the list. I like this idea of an virtual event. Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites. Thx Peter SM 003 / Neustadt i.H. (Sent from mobile device) Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:
[Edited Message Follows]
A poll has been updated:
We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.
The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:
| Country |
GMT +/- |
Scheduled Time |
Scheduled Date |
| (GMT) |
0 |
2000 |
4/25/2020 |
| UK Summer Time |
100 |
2100 |
4/25/2020 |
| NZ |
1200 |
800 |
4/26/2020 |
| AU Queensland |
1000 |
600 |
4/26/2020 |
| Tahiti |
-1000 |
1000 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA West |
-700 |
1300 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA East |
-400 |
1600 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA Central |
-600 |
1400 |
4/25/2020 |
| Martinique |
-400 |
1600 |
4/25/2020 |
| Germany |
200 |
2200 |
4/25/2020 |
| Central EU Summer Time |
200 |
2200 |
4/25/2020 |
| Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/ |
You can select multiple answers. We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.
1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000
Vote Now
Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.
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Mark Erdos
Does anyone have a source for a replacement LED for a
B&G Hydra 2000 8-button display?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us
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Re: tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF
Teun BAAS
To all, non-AUSTRALIAN, AMEL owners planning to bring major parts, equipment into AUSTRALIA tax-free under the international customary “YACHTS IN TRANSIT” schedule.
Following up on my earlier messages on the forum of my problems of importing “tax free” parts into AUSTRALIA under “YACHT IN TRANSIT” below are the Emails I exchanged
with Bob WALLACE several weeks ago.
Bob gave me explicit permission to share our Emails on the AYOG Forum.
I highlighted the essential part in yellow.
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Sure no worries
You can get the dty gst back but not until you left Australia
With the smaller consignments you can use the under$1000 rule and get in without duty and gst and all the drama. So if you had say an order of $2000 you could get the supplier to pack them in 2 packages
and send by airmail on different days and when they got here they would just be delivered to your address as long as they declared each package has a value of goods under A$1000
regards
Bob Wallace
Managing Director
Wallace International Pty Ltd
07 32127233 0419748522
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: Teun BAAS [mailto:teun@...]
Sent: Friday, 3 April 2020 2:52 PM
To: Bob Wallace
Cc: SHED i16; info@...
Subject: RE: BIMS 73579-2019 - Reporting position SV AMELIT/HOMEAFFAIRS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Bob,
Hope all is well with your family, staff and you in these trying times.
Thanks for your Email – really a lot of work you put into this and wondering if it is worth the hassle as this time I can really substantially reduce/avoid bringing
parts in. I am only glad that I had about USD150K worth of parts (VOLVO engine; sails; custom built dinghy; electric furlers; complete new navigation equipment etc.) imported in NEW CALEDONIA and VANUATU and not AUSTRALIA!!!
Would you be OK if I shared your information on the AMEL YACHT OWNERS
GROUP Forum as that other AMEL owners are aware what to expect when they come to AUSTRALIA?
Have a great weekend.
Best Regards Teun
April 2, 2020 21:50:49
From: Bob Wallace <rwallace@...>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 21:04
To: Teun BAAS <teun@...>
Cc: SHED i16 <info@...>;
info@...
Subject: RE: BIMS 73579-2019 - Reporting position SV AMELIT/HOMEAFFAIRS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Teun,
I have taken this as high as it goes in Canberra and I am afraid that none of the them want to commit to a decision and they have disregarded the correspondence written by
Officer Smith as he is not the person that has the authority to advise you of this’
However I still strongly believe that we can apply section 162 for these goods on arrival which allows for goods to be imported by a temporary resident under security that
the goods will be exported within 12 months or such time as the ABF allows. This is similar to the Control Permit which applies to your yacht and you MUST report these goods and identify them when you leave the country with the yacht.
Australian Border Force (ABF) have advised that the goods MAY fall under section 162 but they will not give me specific permission in your case until the goods actually arrive.
They are not committing on this as the wording under section 162 is the MAY give permission to enter under section 162. Technically this means that each case is judicated on arrival and as I don’t have an actual shipment they wont give me a decision.
So what we need to do is for you to order your shipment and get an invoice and a list of all the components you wish to order and get a copy of that invoice to me. Can you
also get them to advise approximately the weights and measurements of the package that it would be shipped in. Once we have that then we can then see exactly the best way to deal with this.
I would think in the current climate you are going to have problems with your supplier due to lockdowns in Europe. There is also a large shortage of aircraft carrying cargo
to Australia and the courier companies such as FEDEX etc are price gouging so you may have to put on hold for while anyway. The other way to send them is by Parcels Post if your supplier is prepared to do but that will depend on the size and weight of the
goods. The limitation of Parcels Post is 20 kg per carton and in most cases its more economic with around a 9 day delivery time.
We can discus this after you have advised exactly what you are going to consign etc. as we may be able to suggest other ways to get around the ABF provisions.
I realise that the way the world is at the moment that you may not be able to even get any response out of Europe and will wait for your response
Kind regards
Bob Wallace
Managing Director
Wallace International Pty Ltd
Ph 07-32127233
FAX 07-33996722
Mobile 0419 748522
Web : http//www.wallaceintl
UNQUOTE
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
Currently on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
April 21, 2020
17:50:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 20:03
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Cc: SHED i16 <info@...>; info@...; Carol Laisure Pool <clp@...>; 'CHANTIERS AMEL S.A. (sav@...)' <sav@...>; sales@...
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF
Evening Penny & Bob,
Just called WALLACE International as you suggested.
Asked for Bob and after being screened by 2 people who were clearly not very keen to let me talk to Bob
😊 –
until I mentioned your names and then I was transferred immediately
to Bob; like the Red Sea parted for Moses.
Bob agreed completely that what I was looking for was NO problem and was surprised that Ryan KNAGGS (who works in the same building as he does) informed me otherwise.
Problem solved & thanks for the help in getting my AMEL parts into AUSTRALIA.
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
March 4, 2020 20:01:14
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Hi Penny & Bob,
Greatly appreciate your help. I will try to get in touch with Bob WALLACE as my exchange with:
Ryan Knaggs
Wallace International
130 Riverside Place
Morningside QLD 4170
PO BOX 678 Bulimba QLD 4171
Ph: +61 7 3212 7233
was fruitless. I am not sure but believe that Ian MACKENZIE (the broker in my marina/yard who referred me to WALLACE International) told me that Bob retired recently?
Completely agree with your “You can do free clearance for personal boat in transit, pleasure craft.“
Will let you know how it worked out. Thanks again for the help.
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
March 4, 2020 19:41:02
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Hi Teun,
I have just got back online after crossing and see you are wanting to get some bits for boat in transit in Queensland.
Ask to speak to “Bob Wallace” at Wallace International in Bris. If he does not look after you let me know, I will call him! Bob knows all about imports into QLD for everything, he started the business in the 70’s. You can do free clearance
for personal boat in transit, pleasure craft.
Le MARIN anchorage. Martinique
On Mar 4, 2020, at 13:55, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the reply.
Agree that NEW CALEDONIA is NO problem at all. I sailed for about 18 months around NC (still own a mooring there
😊); during 2018 had a bunch of AMEL parts come in and even imported a complete new
VOLVO D3 engine w/o the slightest problem. Even in VANUATU things went flawless when I imported parts from USA, all new sails from TURKEY as well as the OCTender from NEW ZEALAND, But, so far, AUSTRALIA is a complete different experience.
The frustrating part is that the AUSTRALIAN authorities (ABF) agree with the YACHT IN TRANSIT concept but I have yet to find a custom broker experienced with this
procedure.
On another topic, but still related, if any foreign owned boat considers selling or even have the boat listed for sale (on the internet or overseas) when calling
or sailing in AUSTRALIAN waters you will have to pay the import duty REGARDLESS if the boat will ultimately be sold to another
non AUSTRALIAN and/or leaves AUSTRALIAN waters; and AUSTRALIA reinforces this vigorously and have officers checking websites for any boats for sale. ABF will ask you several times, when they come on board during clearance, if you plan to sell the vessel;
this is also one of the reasons they want you to report the position of the boat every 3 months. I had heard this from other sailors in NEW CAL as well as in VANUATU and although I have no intention of selling AMELIT it was reconfirmed when a fellow A54 owner
intended to sail to AUSTRALIA and sell his A54. We were planning to buddy boat to AUSTRALIA until I suggested him to verify this information; he did and then changed his destination to NEW ZEALAND.
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
March 4, 2020 10:50:04
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Leslie via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 22:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF
Hi Teun,
I can't help you with Customs Broker in Brisbane, but I would think that pretty much any customs broker would be able to do it for you.
Just FYI, in New Caledonia, when you arrive and clear customs (they never come to the boat) in Port Moselle, you complete the customs declaration and the Capitainnerie fax off the form to Customs and if you don't hear anything within a few hours then you are
cleared in. If you want to get your imported items for the boat in duty and tax free, you need to ask the Capitainnerie to ask customs to send back an IFT number...they never send it without being asked...and often you need to ask a few times.....basically
its the customs form you filled in with their reference number on it. Presenting that form to Fedex, DHL or whoever will ensure you don't pay tax or duty on items imported for the yacht in transit.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
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Peter Jaeger
Hi Bill Please put me on the list. I like this idea of an virtual event. Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites. Thx Peter SM 003 / Neustadt i.H. (Sent from mobile device)
Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:
[Edited Message Follows]
A poll has been updated:
We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.
The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:
| Country |
GMT +/- |
Scheduled Time |
Scheduled Date |
| (GMT) |
0 |
2000 |
4/25/2020 |
| UK Summer Time |
100 |
2100 |
4/25/2020 |
| NZ |
1200 |
800 |
4/26/2020 |
| AU Queensland |
1000 |
600 |
4/26/2020 |
| Tahiti |
-1000 |
1000 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA West |
-700 |
1300 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA East |
-400 |
1600 |
4/25/2020 |
| USA Central |
-600 |
1400 |
4/25/2020 |
| Martinique |
-400 |
1600 |
4/25/2020 |
| Germany |
200 |
2200 |
4/25/2020 |
| Central EU Summer Time |
200 |
2200 |
4/25/2020 |
| Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/ |
You can select multiple answers. We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.
1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000
Vote Now
Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.
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