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Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Joerg Esdorn
 

The Amel installation includes a Victron 150/35 MPPT controller.  I have observed that shading is definitely an issue.  As the sun makes its way around, there are always times when the mizzen boom, mizzen mast, SSB whip antenna and even the US ensign makes a minor amount of shade, resulting sometimes in a big drop of output.  I have no experience with panels that do not have blocking diodes So I’m wondering how much worse the impact of shading would be. I also wonder why Amel installed the panels in series rather than Parallel as there is a tradeoff im sure.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Here are some photos of the two lock-downs on our floor boards.

Aquarius
SM2K #262
Currently in Thailand

On 2/19/20, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi gang,

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info.

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ
On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io
<karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor
lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io"
<jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my
55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions. Has anyone installed them
and could share a picture and make and model fittings used? Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem




Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi gang, 

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info. 

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain 
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ


On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Lock downs on floor boards

karkauai
 

I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Alan Leslie
 

Paul,

We have 3 x 250 W solar panels on an arch with Schottky diodes, whether its better with or without I don't know since we installed them from new.
We also rarely run the generator except when leaving / arriving in port, lifting the anchor, heating the water, solar takes care of most of our needs. 
We have 5 year old AGMS (3 banks of 4 x 6v in series with balancers) which are still performing well.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437  


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Stephen Nicholson
 

Hello again,
Many thanks for all your valuable comments! One additional question for those people who have upgraded to the 47kg (105 lb) Mantus option on their SM. Does your windlass cope OK with the weight of the 47kg anchor plus anchor chain, or have you had a BIGGER windlass installed to handle the extra weight?
Many thanks for your help!
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, how do you clean it? On my current boat I open tank every spring and use plastic tube connected to a pump to remove 1-2 gallons until I stop seeing black chunks from the bottom. 
I do that to avoid filters clogging, even though I have double primaries setup. Preventive measures. I’d like to continue to clean the tanks with Amel as well, knowing that it would reduce my chances of clogging primaries. 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

For info: A54 diesel tank blueprint attached. 


Hope that helps
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 16:53, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Scott,

 

Thanks for that. Yes, I should have guessed the wires for the gauge! A for the possible slope I guess I could put a spirit level on and see what it averages out at.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:27
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank cleaning

 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

--


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Ryan Meador
 

I agree that SM is a very quiet boat.  Essentially no squeaking in big seas and wind, and a tiny bit of thermal expansion/contraction noise.  There is one way that the SM makes some noise though, and I feel it needs to be mentioned (there was even a thread about it not long ago): waves slapping against the stern.  This is most noticeable when the boat is empty (i.e. new to you).  Filling the boat with stuff, especially the stern locker, significantly reduces the noise.  You'll get used to it quickly, as well.  I don't recall hearing it in a long time, but it was very noticeable the first few days after we bought it.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:16 AM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
Yes they are quiet....almost totally
We had an annoying squeak last year in big seas, it was traced to one of the bolts holding down the hard dodger. Tightened it and the others, squeak gone.
The only noise we have is from the sea running past the boat ( I quite like that), and sometimes going up wind and a bit overpowered, she slams.
We have lock downs on our opening floorboards to prevent them opening but I would have to say we have never had any cupboards come open, not even the drawers just forward of the nav station, and we have been in some pretty rough stuff sometimes.
I have never ever seen any boat that is as well constructed as our Amel SM 2000, and it was gratifying to see at La Rochelle last year the the new 50 and 60 are built in exactly the same way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Dessalator Watermaker 24 volt motor

Sv Garulfo
 



Hi Bill,

Yes we did at the time and if i recall correctly, they were available at around €55 ex vat each. 

Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, Marquesas, French Polynesia 


On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 07:44, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Thomas,

Thanks for your posting. Did you try Dessalator.com for these brushes? I think this is important to know.




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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:00 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hello 

There are 4 brushes on the motor. They are held in place by rubber covers that you unscrew. 
I find it easier to bring the motor out of the engine room to work on the brushes. 

I cleaned the carbon dust twice in the space of a couple of weeks and eventually replaced the brushes. Looking at the new ones, I noticed the old ones were slightly cracked lengthways, which could have explained why they wouldn’t slide so freely in their housing and would eventually lose conductivity. I guess i could have sanded them down a little to fix the issue. 

We sourced the brushes here:
vendite@...

Product code SP1812MC50

They’re not cheap (about €15 each) and they had a minimum order of €180 and would only
ship dhl which was €60. The company was a bit of a pain to work with, as they usually only work with companies, not individuals. 

We got a discount for ordering 3 sets of 4 brushes n springs, and still have a spare one.


Hope that helps

Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Nuku Hiva, Marquesas, French Polynesia 




On 4 Feb 2020, at 13:24, ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:

Hallo,
I have the same problem now with the 24v motor not working.
Can you please explain where the brushes are and how to remove them?
Thanks, 
Ofer
SV Alba
Amel 54 #160
Cyprus 


Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Sv Garulfo
 


For info: A54 diesel tank blueprint attached. 


Hope that helps
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 16:53, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Scott,

 

Thanks for that. Yes, I should have guessed the wires for the gauge! A for the possible slope I guess I could put a spirit level on and see what it averages out at.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:27
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank cleaning

 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Thank you all for your comments. This is what I thought and got confirmations from first hands. I knew the build quality is very different, but Lagoon is also in 1M+ range yacht, which made me wander. 
Thanks for putting my mind at ease 🙂 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 5:03 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Mine is very quiet no squiky sounds even during very uncomfortable passages. only a small sound from the wind screen/doghouse but that is a very minor issue. My friends sailing with us always comment that it is a very quiet boat
Paul on sykerpa SM#259

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Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Scott,

 

The problem I have is that I use a VSAT which has three thick cables taking up most of the conduit space. I am told that by putting schottky diodes between the panels the loss due to uneven shading across panels is significantly mitigated, although I have not tried it yet, and indeed would be interested to hear from anyone who has. Having said all that, we are extremely pleased with the performance of these panels, and now find that we only need to run either the engine or generator to get hot water! We have 4 year old AGMs.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 18 February 2020 12:24
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Recommended solar panel brand

 

Paul:

Exactly right. I saw a test where they wired multiple panels parallel and serial and saw that partial shading from booms/sails really dropped output on serially connected panels. I was able to obtain the same results when performing the same experiment.

Where do you have your MPPT? I have all six wires running from the arch to two switches (pos/neg) in the starboard side of the lazarette. With the short run and only one panel per pair for this section, I don't need super thick cables. Then I run a single pair of 13mm2 wires to the MPPT located near the boat's main switches. That fit in the conduit with room to spare and I believe the calcs showed very acceptable voltage drop even at the max 960watt output.

There is some argument that the higher voltage with serial will turn on the mppt earlier since it requires (battery voltage+5v) to startup, but frankly, I am fine missing out on a few minutes of early morning sun. I'm also thinking that 35-40 volts on the parallel panels might be safer in the event of a catastrophic event. 120-130v DC could hurt.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Oliver -

Any luck with this?

I also appreciate Thomas and others' willingness to translate engineer speak into something us laymen will understand. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you Scott. Very helpful.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 4:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Not sure why previous text didn't post]

Mohammad,

1) I have a Highfield CL310 HYP as does Dean. The transom "lip" where the tubes are glued was bent when it arrived. Probably bad packaging. This is not the first time I have heard of this - Highfield fixed it under warranty after a bit of complaining. 

2) The CL310 will fit with a bit of modification. Dean described the eye he mounted in the bow locker and I did the same. You will also need to mount some eyes, facing inwards, on the triangular transom supports as far forward as you can. Then place a metal ring halfway between the rings using rope lashing. It fits fine. I have a Suzuki 20AS which does not rotate 90 degrees so it takes a bit of positioning to have it all fit. I then use a line through the built in "eyes" on the dinghy stern floor up to the ring where the davit lines/wires come out of, to secure the dinghy. Don't rely on the lifting wires to hold up the dinghy once underway.  While you're at it, change the davit wires to 12 strand dyneema. You can do it with very little modification - Simpson wanted 4000GBP for a "dyneema conversion kit" and it's simply unnecessary. You can do it yourself if you know how to splice 12 strand dyneema or pay a rigger 100euros.

For the bow, I secure the dinghy using a high quality stainless/aluminum ratchet with one end attached to the eye at the end of the davit arm and the other to a loop secured to the "armpit" of the davits. 

The reason why I did not go for the CL340 is two fold:

a) I put the dinghy on the aft deck and the outboard in the lazarette on big passages. Coming around Cape Hatteras and even crossing the Med in fall, I have seen some waves from astern that may have swamped a hanging dinghy. I have also had the dinghy come slightly loose while sailing and while the wasn't a big deal on a day sail or short overnighter, I wouldn't want to deal with it in the middle of an Indian Ocean gale, far offshore. With the CL310 I can position the dinghy upside down on the aft deck and have it NOT protrude into the cockpit nor have it interfere with the mizzen track. It barely fits.  I don't think the CL340 will fit unless you put it diagonally.

b) When it's just me and the misses doing a beach landing, with swell, we are at our limit carrying the CL310 with a 20hp engine. I tried to drag my friend's CL340 up a beach with him (he's 100kg and 195cm tall) and we struggled. In the Med, dinghy docks were aplenty. Less so in some parts of the Caribbean and probably even less so in the South Pacific. 

5) I went with Hypalon. I believe I paid 3700 euros total for my CL310 HYP. Not sure where you are but I bought it from a dealer in Slovenia VAT-free. Hypalon was not much more in our case and the cost of chaps was more than the upcharge for hypalon. In the tropics, it was a no brainer for me. I have a PVC backup rollup dinghy and it's faring far worse.

Hope this helps.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you Joerg. All very useful information.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 6:59 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

 

Here are some responses to Mohammad's questions:
1.  I have a Honda 20HP outboard, which is quite heavy (but the same weight as the 15HP).  The boat behaves well with it - no issues.  
2.  I can plane with 4 people in it but not too much luggage.  This was my objective.
3.  I don't think I have any options - unless the 2 lockers upfront are an option.  One of them is for the gas tank and the other for the anchor.  Work well.  Maybe it would be nice to have a cleat for the anchor line.  
4. No issues.  After 3 years of trying to get the dinghy to stop swinging around and the engine throttle taking the load when sailing on starboard tack (because the dinghy slides over when the boat heels), I now have very little movement.  I also have 5 cm wide belts as tie downs.  
5.  Yes, on the 55 the dinghy fits perfectly sideways in front of the traveler and behind the mizzen.  

I first saw the rounded dinghy stops on the davits of Fortuna II, Paul Brown's boat.  I modified them to give a few cm more space between the davits and the dinghy because the strops would otherwise have bottomed out against the davits.  If you have different lifting strops, you can have the space reduced which brings the dinghy marginally further up.  

I hope this helps.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul:

Exactly right. I saw a test where they wired multiple panels parallel and serial and saw that partial shading from booms/sails really dropped output on serially connected panels. I was able to obtain the same results when performing the same experiment.

Where do you have your MPPT? I have all six wires running from the arch to two switches (pos/neg) in the starboard side of the lazarette. With the short run and only one panel per pair for this section, I don't need super thick cables. Then I run a single pair of 13mm2 wires to the MPPT located near the boat's main switches. That fit in the conduit with room to spare and I believe the calcs showed very acceptable voltage drop even at the max 960watt output.

There is some argument that the higher voltage with serial will turn on the mppt earlier since it requires (battery voltage+5v) to startup, but frankly, I am fine missing out on a few minutes of early morning sun. I'm also thinking that 35-40 volts on the parallel panels might be safer in the event of a catastrophic event. 120-130v DC could hurt.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Wind Generator/Link10 Wiring

Tim Melbourne
 

My wind generator is wired straight into house battery terminals, thus bypassing the Link10 multimeter so I cannot see its current generation when it's spinning fast (and producing, putatively, up to 25 amps@24V, ie, half a kw).  I want to rewire its negative lead from the minus terminal of the house battery to the upstream side of the Link10 shunt.  Currently it's connected to the downstream side of the shunt because via the house batteries negative terminal. 

Where is the best place to hook the minus lead into the upstream side of the shunt?  Is there a junction box somewhere to which all the house 24V systems connect their minus (-) lead to so that Link10 can see their current use?   If so, where is it?  

Thanks,
Tim

SV Third Wish
SM2K #306


Lock downs on floor boards

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Joerg Esdorn
 

Here are some responses to Mohammad's questions:
1.  I have a Honda 20HP outboard, which is quite heavy (but the same weight as the 15HP).  The boat behaves well with it - no issues.  
2.  I can plane with 4 people in it but not too much luggage.  This was my objective.
3.  I don't think I have any options - unless the 2 lockers upfront are an option.  One of them is for the gas tank and the other for the anchor.  Work well.  Maybe it would be nice to have a cleat for the anchor line.  
4. No issues.  After 3 years of trying to get the dinghy to stop swinging around and the engine throttle taking the load when sailing on starboard tack (because the dinghy slides over when the boat heels), I now have very little movement.  I also have 5 cm wide belts as tie downs.  
5.  Yes, on the 55 the dinghy fits perfectly sideways in front of the traveler and behind the mizzen.  

I first saw the rounded dinghy stops on the davits of Fortuna II, Paul Brown's boat.  I modified them to give a few cm more space between the davits and the dinghy because the strops would otherwise have bottomed out against the davits.  If you have different lifting strops, you can have the space reduced which brings the dinghy marginally further up.  

I hope this helps.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Victor,

 We have had galvanised chain attached to a stainless anchor for the last 20 years. No signs of corrosion.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...>
Sent: 18 February 2020 13:53
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Size of main anchor for Super Maramu
 
Hello all.
I am also in the process of getting a Mantus 105lb. My intention is to keep the current 10mm inox chain with the galvanized new Mantus, but I am concerned with galvanized corrosion. Any experience with this that anyone can share...?
Thanks
Victor
SM #314 Alendoy