Re: Best location for solar panels
Kelly Ran
Hello, Can't claim that it's the best, but this setup works very well for us. See attached. Stay safe! Kelly + Ryan SM233 Iteration Boston
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 07:24 Robert Giroux <rg@...> wrote:
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
I bought Dessalator parts from Ile Marine on the French side. Guy (forget last name) owned it. It was named Ile Budget Marine. He ordered high pressure hose and a PCB controller from Dessalator for me. I had the parts within a week. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 9:29 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote: Hi Hanspeter,
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Hi Hanspeter,
I'm quite close to you, in the Fort Louis Marina. Be advised you are not allowed to go to the Dutch side. Yesterday they even had an incident with someone trying to cross the border. Not the best way to make the local newspaper... Also be advised that Ile Marine on the French side is the "official" Desalator dealer for St. Martin/St. MAarten. Electec does have spare membranes in stock most of the time, but no other parts that suit Desalator. Ile marine does carry some parts for Desalator but not all. Ile Marine is at the Sandy Grounds Bridge behind the fuel-dock. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, 1. This setUp looks very similar to mine. I use the VSR alternator regulator from cruisers project. 2. I would suggest to place the old unused regulator back in place. On the pictures all coil connectors are open jet. As the old regulator has a gap on top of its housing its possible to route the wires through. By that the wires are not unprotected open. Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 Martinique
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 09:19 Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
If you're leaking product then it's a low pressure line that is leaking. I would start at the product end of the tubes and it shouldn't be too tough to find the leak. Follow all the lines until they terminate at the hose going into the tank.
Ken Powers Aquarius SM2K #262 Locked Down in Thailand.
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Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install
Hello Kevin, I am very happy with the WakeSpeed 500. Here is a photo of my install. I attached a plywood mounting board to the aft bulkhead of the engine room, behind the engine/alternator. (With some rubber spacers between the bulkhead and the board for the sound insulation. This board has the WS500 control box and a Sterling Alternator Protection device to dissapate a voltage spike if the BMS disconnected the batteries. I also installed a simple toggle switch just above the. Controller that.allows me to manually switch the controller directly to "Float" stage. You can also see the wiring on the alternator in the foreground of the photo. I used the standard lithium setting on the WS500 (dip switches), including the setting for 75% max output. On Bulk stage I've seen a max of ~130amps and a max temperature on the alternator casing of ~160F. The output current carries appropriately with engine RPM. I have not logged too many hours on "Bulk" but belt tension and wear has been fine. When I set the controller directly to float stage I've seen about 70amp output that tapers off to zero net current as the battery voltage reaches 26.72v. The temp on the alternator casing reaches about 125 F. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387, currently in Les Saintes, Guadelopue.
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
hanspeter baettig
Thanks John Yes Electec is a good company. I will go tomorrow to speak with them about the end caps from DesalI. I have still 6 end caps, 2 of them with the hp water inlet, from Desal, He sended to me last year for testing, for free. So I have now a good ouverlook whats happend, when the end caps cracked on the connection. And yes, it is verry imortant to put the O rings very carefully in place. Best regards and stay save Hanspeter SM # 16 Tamango 2, Marigot, St. Martin
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Engine room hatch repair
Alan Grayson
Hi All, the mild steel that supports the gas struts in my engine room hatch has gotten water into it and is rusting away and expanding causing a bulge in the engine room hatch in 2 spots.
Has anyone done this repair?
I am planning on cutting the whole strengthener area ( which I've been told is end grain balsa) digging all the old balsa out as well as the mild steel backing then replacing it with something, maybe 3/8 plywood then fiberglassing the removed panel back
together.
For the mild steel plate I was just going to strengthen that area with fiberglass and thru bolt thru the hatch.
Does anyone have better ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
St Lucia
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Hi Alin,
This might be useful: https://youtu.be/wTa6HEo2_K8?t=345
Delos is testing new panels on their top to compare to their arch mounted. They’re mounting flexible panels in “pockets” they’re sewing into the top. They even show the sewing part.
Regards, Robert Giroux Future Amel Owner Miami, FL
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Re: Best location for solar panels
We have 2x180 watt 72 cells on the rail works great, in addition to that I ordered two custom made 180 w 72 cells flexible panels from Hovall (china) for my bimini (not arrived yet). The advantage with the 72 cells panels you can have them in parallell and shadow will be a much less issue. I'm so pleased with my 180 w panels on the rail so might replace the 3x150 watt 36 cells panel I have on my Emec arc. the 180 w 72 cells are almost identical in size with the old 150W. The one on the rail are attached with NOA solar panels fastening. about 2/3 out from the boat.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Lagos Portugal sykerpa.com
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Re: Membrane Tube end caps
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
I bought 1kg of Sodium Metabisulphite from www.westwatermakers.com (UK) for £23.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
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Sent: 22 April 2020 17:13 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps
Hi Mohammad and Atypisch,
wehre did you buy the sterilizing powder? My last bill from Desallator was € 22,95 +20% VAT for the powder!
Best and be save
Arnold SY Zephyr SM203
Am 22.04.2020 um 18:05 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:
We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Paul,
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing" powder." This is regardless of the size. <image001.png>
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Stefan Jeukendrup
Hi Alin,
See enclosed pdf with pictures : 4 Suntech STP190 1580 × 808 × 35mm 72 cell panels above the cockpit, 2 series 2 parallel. The challenges: * Max. regulated output is 10A at 24V: not enough when sailing 24/7 but works for anchor with just 1 fridge switched on. * these panels are not made for sea conditions: the plastic on the back side is penetrated by sea water causing cell failure * these panels have no bypass diodes/half cut cells so even a tiny bit of shade on the panels causes 50% power loss or more ( mast, boom, sails, even lines). * 2 cells of 2 panels in different chains burned out, the heat cracked the glass: - could be salt on the back of the panel causing short circuit - could be just the shading : a single shaded cell becomes very hot and could deform the backing plastic: a shaded cell has high resistance and it see a large voltage drop with 144 cells) So 4 panels in parallel= better Hope this helps you, Stefan Jeukendup SM2K # 348 svMalaka Queen #@ Monastir Tunesia
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Re: Where to put the life raft
Wow to what Eric was relating.... but that sort of bring up my point: I haven't been even remotely tested in this boat in horrific conditions, but from everything I read and hear (including just now with Eric's account above), I don't think you'll need a liferaft in horrific conditions. The Amels aren't going to be sunk like that. I'd say the two likeliest causes of needing a life raft would be ramming something in normal conditions (also less likely to sink us with the waterproof bulkheads and a good crash pump onboard, which most of us carry), or fire. That leaves fire. And in a fire situation, I'd be happiest on the aft rail where mine is mounted, not up front or in the cockpit. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Alin,
Here’s a site with a couple of ideas: https://www.emarineinc.com/categories/Solar-Kits
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Hi Alin,
At present I am studying how to adapt SolarFace by Tecnalia in my Sharki, Acrobat II, I did it in my Acrobat I (Sigma 38 OOD) before, and these protypes have been working perfectly since I installed them in 2016. Yo can see both boats in this video (sorry, not availabe subtitles in English) I sent an e-mail to Amel to propose a collaboration with Tecnalia, months ago. Unfortunately they did not reply to me :-( This tech allows to integrate solar cells into composite materials, so we can build parts fot our boats with the solar cells embebed into them. We can also manufacture flat parts adapted to the shape or the deck, as we did in Acrobat I. Also we could design and build a beautiful and stylized solar arch. There are a lot of posibilities! But Tecnalia needs the molds in order to manufacture the proyotypes and the collaborartion of a manufacturer for serial production (Tecnalia is a Technological Center, not a factory) I am thinking (this is 100& brain storming) about to talk about this with all the members of this gropup. If there are more owners interested maybe we could rent the molds to Amel and manufacture the parts in San Sebastian (Spain), This is just an idea. Best Regards, Diego de Miguel Sailing Liivng Lab Sharki-52, Acrobat II
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Alin;
We have also looked for a while for a solution that does not include the Arch. We also intend on switching to Lithium batteries when our current Gel setup needs replacing in 2-3 years. So, we are making all upgrades that become necessary prior to the installation of the lithiums,. Our design concept is one that will be installed in stages but engineered for the final design. For example, our inverter gave out last season, so we are looking at installing the Victron 8000/220A Inverter/charger.
After many years of looking and analyzing, we have almost settled on a hardtop over the cockpit area. Solbian factory has designed the max wattage for the area, design, shading, etc. and has come up with about 900 Watts of deck mounted, flexible and walk on cells.
Our calculations show that after completion of the final concept and installation of the lithium batteries, we should be able to run the entire 24V and 220V systems on board (Not Simultaneously) on batteries and depending on sun conditions, minimal generator usage. We currently do not have solar and we have to run the generator twice per day at anchor.
This is a more costly approach than the Arch, but like you, we like the lines of 54 and wanted a complementary design that did not take away from her sleek lines.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Hi Danny. Thank you, I'd love to have a look. Cheers Alin
On Thursday, 23 April 2020, 05:10:32 pm NZST, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
Hi Alin, the best spot for two panels is on the port rail aft of the cockpit. I put mine there temporarily 11 years ago deciding to move them later if I didn't like the spot. Been fantastic Clamped to the rail 1/3 in 2/3 out. They don't need a brace and swing up easily when docking or any other time you want them out of the way. Works well for me. Come to Mangonui for a look when this lock down eases. This place means you don't loose deck space nor the ability to have a wide open top. Also cheap as chips to do, no good if you like to spend money. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 23 April 2020 at 16:42 "Alin SM 283 via groups.io" <sv.wanderer@...> wrote:
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Re: Best location for solar panels
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Alin, the best spot for two panels is on the port rail aft of the cockpit. I put mine there temporarily 11 years ago deciding to move them later if I didn't like the spot. Been fantastic Clamped to the rail 1/3 in 2/3 out. They don't need a brace and swing up easily when docking or any other time you want them out of the way. Works well for me. Come to Mangonui for a look when this lock down eases. This place means you don't loose deck space nor the ability to have a wide open top. Also cheap as chips to do, no good if you like to spend money. Cheers Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Best location for solar panels
Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction. Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu. The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines. My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful. Thank you. Alin SV Wanderer
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Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install
Kevin Fox
Dan,
I'm planning to install the Wakespeed WS500 on Rascal. We have the Leece Neville 175A alternator and AGM batteries, and this regulator sounds like the way to go. May I ask how your install turned out? Any surprises with the wiring? Where did you end up mounting the regulator? Thanks very much, Kevin -- Kevin Fox and Family SM404 Rascal Currently berthed in Charleston, SC
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