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Re: Amel 54 battery group

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Gary,

 

Thanks, yes it was the group part I was interested in. It just makes it a bit easier when researching potential replacements.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: 09 November 2019 10:50
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 battery group

 

When I had a failure of two batteries and ended up replacing the bank Injse grp29 AC Delco lead acids. They served quite well.  
I am pretty sure that the grp27/29/30/31 are (nearly) identical in size and then differences lie ni capacity and post arrangement.
Most recently I installed a Trojan 30xhs set and am quite pleased.  
It was a snug fit but they are nice batteries. 
So, I said all that and you'll be looking at agm's but I wanted to try to answer the 'group number' part. 
Measurements are readily available from almost any manufacturer's website. A secure for matters :) .

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Charleston, SC


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Amel 54 battery group

Gary Wells
 

When I had a failure of two batteries and ended up replacing the bank Injse grp29 AC Delco lead acids. They served quite well.  
I am pretty sure that the grp27/29/30/31 are (nearly) identical in size and then differences lie ni capacity and post arrangement.
Most recently I installed a Trojan 30xhs set and am quite pleased.  
It was a snug fit but they are nice batteries. 
So, I said all that and you'll be looking at agm's but I wanted to try to answer the 'group number' part. 
Measurements are readily available from almost any manufacturer's website. A secure for matters :) .

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Charleston, SC

Re: Amel 54 battery group

Alexander Hofmann
 

Hi Paul, Sharon, Courtney
AMEL has changed its advice for the batteries in about 2015. They advice the AGM 12V/110Ah. I have them onboard since years and I am very satisfied. Will change them after more than 4 years in spring. The general adive is to change them each 3 years. I would reccomend to anyone to change the 13 batteries at the same time, the starter battery and the 6 pairs of 12V batteries in serie, producing 24V. AMEL dis-advices Sol/Gel batteries. See https://www.victronenergy.com/batteries/gel-and-agm-batteries
You can prolong the batteries lifetime with 6 battery balancers (see https://www.victronenergy.com/batteries/battery-balancer) which equalizes the state of charge of the 2 batteries connected.
Alexander Hofmann
SY Oceanica I - Amel 54#156

Re: Antal 120x18 Composite Fibre jib block

karkauai
 

Hi Duane,
Mine have gotten stiff in the past, after long passages.  They were just caked with salt.  I Hi-Def them off well, then put them in warm fresh water and rinsed again...I’ve not taken them apart because that has always made them run smoothly again.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Nov 9, 2019, at 8:26 AM, Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if the Antal 120x18 jib blocks on Wanderer need some TLC.  If you try to spin the sheave, there is too much friction to permit it to spin.  It can be turned with thumb and forefinger with enough resistance that one must grip tightly.

I looked on the Antal site but did not find a maintenance manual.  

Can anyone comment on the maintenance for this block?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Cracks on bow sprit

James Alton
 

Jarek

   Fiberglass that is fractured does not break along nice straight lines per your photo.  Those look like joints to me.   Oliver could probably tell you for sure but I suspect that the parts forming the outer rail portions of the anchor platform were fabricated and installed as separate parts and the “cracks” you see are the mating/bonding lines. 
James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Jarek Zemlo <zemlo.jarek@...> wrote:

Hello to all,

I am doing a survey on Amel SM and found 2 cracks on the bow which looks serious. Like to ask if somebody had experience similar situation and if this is something to worry about or just easy repair issue? See attached picture.

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

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Antal 120x18 Composite Fibre jib block

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm wondering if the Antal 120x18 jib blocks on Wanderer need some TLC.  If you try to spin the sheave, there is too much friction to permit it to spin.  It can be turned with thumb and forefinger with enough resistance that one must grip tightly.

I looked on the Antal site but did not find a maintenance manual.  

Can anyone comment on the maintenance for this block?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Cracks on bow sprit

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

We have it too . When we by the boat in 2015 oliver was the seveier he say it was no problem . I think it is from the anker chain in stromg winds and waves , and when you dont fix the chain with two ropes left and right on the clambs

Best Elja
SM 222 Balu

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Re: Cracks on bow sprit

david bruce
 

Hi Jarek,  
I second Craigs assessment,  our SN has them and i am comfortable that they are cosmetic but haven t ground them out to fully explore.  
Dave 
Liesse
SN006


On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Jarek Zemlo <zemlo.jarek@...> wrote:

Hello to all,

I am doing a survey on Amel SM and found 2 cracks on the bow which looks serious. Like to ask if somebody had experience similar situation and if this is something to worry about or just easy repair issue? See attached picture.

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

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Re: Amel 54 battery group

Courtney Gorman
 

I know you should have had AMGs I’m getting ready to replace mine.  I have lead acid and am not sure what I’m going to do 


On Nov 8, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

Could someone please advise what is the original battery group for the Amel 54. My batteries are not original and I don’t think they are the correct size.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Amel 54 battery group

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi,

 

Could someone please advise what is the original battery group for the Amel 54. My batteries are not original and I don’t think they are the correct size.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Cracks on bow sprit

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Jarek

My Santorin looks the same but I don’t think it’s either structural or weight bearing if you follow the forestay to its lower point of anchor. 

That said I noticed some one recently with a made up stainless arrangement and thought I might try to do the same

I’ll try and send a photo in a seperate email

John Hayes

Nga Waka sn 41

Wellington 




On 9/11/2019, at 12:16 PM, Jarek Zemlo <zemlo.jarek@...> wrote:

Hello to all,

I am doing a survey on Amel SM and found 2 cracks on the bow which looks serious. Like to ask if somebody had experience similar situation and if this is something to worry about or just easy repair issue? See attached picture.

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

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Re: Cracks on bow sprit

 

It could be the result of a collision, or could be a surface crack in gellcoat. What did the surveyor say? Who is the surveyor? What does the current owner say?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 6:16 PM Jarek Zemlo <zemlo.jarek@...> wrote:
Hello to all,

I am doing a survey on Amel SM and found 2 cracks on the bow which looks serious. Like to ask if somebody had experience similar situation and if this is something to worry about or just easy repair issue? See attached picture.

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

Re: Cracks on bow sprit

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Jarek,
Will defer to Olivier Beaute, but I think that's a common and not serious problem with Amels. I've got it and I just fair it out every few years to look nice. Can't give you any details of structure that causes it, but  believe it's purely cosmetic and not a structural issue. Kind of like the old "Catalina Smile".
Cheers

Cracks on bow sprit

Jarek Zemlo
 

Hello to all,

I am doing a survey on Amel SM and found 2 cracks on the bow which looks serious. Like to ask if somebody had experience similar situation and if this is something to worry about or just easy repair issue? See attached picture.

Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Efector Anchor Chain Counter Sensor

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Hallo 
I have the same one I get it 2 years ago and it works well. 

HEINZ Sm 2000, 292

Am 09.11.2019 um 03:09 schrieb Keith Tice <amel@...>:

My chain counter recently stopped counting.
Before it stopped it was counting when we weren't looking and not counting when the anchor was moving.  
I found that the Efector IB5076 induction sensor is no longer produced, but that the IB5096 is available.
The only difference in the data sheet is that the signal NPN for IB5076 is PNP for IB5096. https://www.ifm.com/ch/en/product/IB5076 
https://www.ifm.com/ch/en/product/IB5096   
Should this be a plug compatible replacement?  
I mean, one is on a lot and turns off and the other is off a lot and turns on. It is pulsing and the counter should just be counting pulses.  
What is the opinion here?
Keith
Bikini SM 282

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Efector Anchor Chain Counter Sensor

Keith Tice
 

My chain counter recently stopped counting.
Before it stopped it was counting when we weren't looking and not counting when the anchor was moving.  
I found that the Efector IB5076 induction sensor is no longer produced, but that the IB5096 is available.
The only difference in the data sheet is that the signal NPN for IB5076 is PNP for IB5096. https://www.ifm.com/ch/en/product/IB5076 
https://www.ifm.com/ch/en/product/IB5096   
Should this be a plug compatible replacement?  
I mean, one is on a lot and turns off and the other is off a lot and turns on. It is pulsing and the counter should just be counting pulses.  
What is the opinion here?
Keith
Bikini SM 282

Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

James,
You may already know but  the inverter on your boat was after market Xantrex 110 volt with its own galley receptacles.  It was wired differently from units installed by Amel so be cautious at the panel.

Ben Driver
SM347
La Bella Vita (former)

On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:32 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


James,

I don't think that you want to bypass the generator/shore power switch for your 220 panel, certainly not for the entire panel.

Like the 54, the SM 220 main panel has 2 buses. breakers attach to the buses. The 54 main panel is similar, but different than the SM main panel. The SM buses are independent and wired to the main 220 block inside the panel. I believe what you can do is leave the generator/shore power switch in place and wire one Main Panel bus to the generator/shore power feed, which is after the generator/shore power switch in the engine room, and wire the other bus to the output of the inverter. The difficulty will probably be moving some breakers from one bus to another to get the desired results. With 5000 watts, you will probably want washer, microwave, outlets, possibly 1 AC and possibly something else on one side. I think that you'll have to move a minimum of 2+2 breakers. You might want to make a new plexiglass face, but, at the least, you will need to relabel some breakers. I think it may also be possible to cut a bus in half, but not sure. Some 54's and 55's were made with split buses where some 220 panel breakers were automatically powered by the inverter.

I may know more in a few days. If so will come back to you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 9:16 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
got it.  thanks.
-James
On Nov 7, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

On the 230/50 panel. Port side is for items supplied by the quay/mains or generator. The starbord side is wired to the inverter. The chargers/ dive compressor,  AC, washer etc is still on the port side. 
Porter
Ibis A54-152 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 2:36 PM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Thanks Porter.  What do you mean by “one side” for each one?  
-James
On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

James. I’ve done this.its a bit of a pain but I rewired  the panel.  One side for inverter power, the other side for shore/generator power. Keeps it logical and simple with out the possibility of recurrent loops. 

Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:36 AM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Hello Super Maramu or A-54 owners - 
(and particularly Scott Tengah) 

I am going to install a Victron 24V 5000W Quattro Charger/Inverter in my Super Maramu.  
As this has an internal automatic transfer switch, I am trying to figure out how to wire this unit to bypass the original Amel transfer switch.  

In any case, I would greatly appreciate any advice / input on how others have installed this unit in their Amel.  Any photos or schematics would be extremely helpful.  

Many Thanks,
James
SV Soteria
SM2K 347
Cartagena, Club Nautico (in the sweltering heat and humidity)


Desperate plea for an alternator/charging problem - Amel Euros 41, 1976, MD21a engine

Andrew Eaves
 

Hello all,

PLEASE HELP AND TAKE PITY :)

After 38 knots in the bay last night I am 'keen as hell' to get out of here! Apparently in 4 days next week, mother nature is going to give us a re-run for a couple of days, which may at least save us the hassle of handwashing our clothes if we put them in a large bucket before hand!

So something is amiss with our charging system, as such the windlass can't retrieve the anchor and neither can the mrs by hand. Batteries are shot and I have limited ah till I replace. I suspect regulator diode issue but please read and chip in with thoughts/experiences.

It's an Amel Euros 41, 1976, MD21a engine.
It had two alternators when I purchased the boat a couple of months ago, but pictures show only one now as of today. I've started stripping dodgy batteries and the discovered dodgy alternator to simplify the matter.
The picture shows what I believe is the OEM design, a single alternator connected to the starter.
The upper alternator was faulty, (bracket showing) tested at 2 places as it happens. I 'think' this has an external regulator and no idea what the relay would be for given that also shown in the pictures.

I actually don't need at this stage the upper broken 2nd alternator repaired and in the situation. With solar/wind and shore power when connected, it should have enough charge, providing I don't need to crank the engine diagnosing other issues, but that's another day. Being in the Greek islands for now, we are never going to be far from land, if this changes, I'll readdress moving forward.

So thoughts;

- Is there a way to confirm the diode block, if I am correct pointing at that is faulty? 
- If found to be the problem are there local fixes/alternatives suitable for a wiring monkey at best as my surname is not Faraday? I understand the Volvo part which is sealed is expensive and on an island in Greece, probably not quick to get other than priority pigeon from Athens.
- If I am off course here, what else can I consider?
- The Amel switch also shown in the pictures is due for being replaced, but I don't want to change too much too soon unless I just pay for someone to do it all. It's not just purely $$ but knowledge too. This is part of the reason for purchasing this ark. Does anyone have schematics for this switch so I can understand the terminals please?
- The other picture showing a wire that clearly looks like it should be connected to the starter, wasn't previously. The connection had to be widened to get on the terminal, and when I did that, it sounds I think a low-pressure alarm, but it looks aftermarket. Either way, having this on or not made no difference to V or A at the battery.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Andrew

Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

 

James,

I don't think that you want to bypass the generator/shore power switch for your 220 panel, certainly not for the entire panel.

Like the 54, the SM 220 main panel has 2 buses. breakers attach to the buses. The 54 main panel is similar, but different than the SM main panel. The SM buses are independent and wired to the main 220 block inside the panel. I believe what you can do is leave the generator/shore power switch in place and wire one Main Panel bus to the generator/shore power feed, which is after the generator/shore power switch in the engine room, and wire the other bus to the output of the inverter. The difficulty will probably be moving some breakers from one bus to another to get the desired results. With 5000 watts, you will probably want washer, microwave, outlets, possibly 1 AC and possibly something else on one side. I think that you'll have to move a minimum of 2+2 breakers. You might want to make a new plexiglass face, but, at the least, you will need to relabel some breakers. I think it may also be possible to cut a bus in half, but not sure. Some 54's and 55's were made with split buses where some 220 panel breakers were automatically powered by the inverter.

I may know more in a few days. If so will come back to you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 9:16 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
got it.  thanks.
-James
On Nov 7, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

On the 230/50 panel. Port side is for items supplied by the quay/mains or generator. The starbord side is wired to the inverter. The chargers/ dive compressor,  AC, washer etc is still on the port side. 
Porter
Ibis A54-152 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 2:36 PM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Thanks Porter.  What do you mean by “one side” for each one?  
-James
On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

James. I’ve done this.its a bit of a pain but I rewired  the panel.  One side for inverter power, the other side for shore/generator power. Keeps it logical and simple with out the possibility of recurrent loops. 

Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:36 AM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Hello Super Maramu or A-54 owners - 
(and particularly Scott Tengah) 

I am going to install a Victron 24V 5000W Quattro Charger/Inverter in my Super Maramu.  
As this has an internal automatic transfer switch, I am trying to figure out how to wire this unit to bypass the original Amel transfer switch.  

In any case, I would greatly appreciate any advice / input on how others have installed this unit in their Amel.  Any photos or schematics would be extremely helpful.  

Many Thanks,
James
SV Soteria
SM2K 347
Cartagena, Club Nautico (in the sweltering heat and humidity)


Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

James Cromie
 

got it.  thanks.
-James

On Nov 7, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

On the 230/50 panel. Port side is for items supplied by the quay/mains or generator. The starbord side is wired to the inverter. The chargers/ dive compressor,  AC, washer etc is still on the port side. 
Porter
Ibis A54-152 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 2:36 PM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Thanks Porter.  What do you mean by “one side” for each one?  
-James
On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

James. I’ve done this.its a bit of a pain but I rewired  the panel.  One side for inverter power, the other side for shore/generator power. Keeps it logical and simple with out the possibility of recurrent loops. 

Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:36 AM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Hello Super Maramu or A-54 owners - 
(and particularly Scott Tengah) 

I am going to install a Victron 24V 5000W Quattro Charger/Inverter in my Super Maramu.  
As this has an internal automatic transfer switch, I am trying to figure out how to wire this unit to bypass the original Amel transfer switch.  

In any case, I would greatly appreciate any advice / input on how others have installed this unit in their Amel.  Any photos or schematics would be extremely helpful.  

Many Thanks,
James
SV Soteria
SM2K 347
Cartagena, Club Nautico (in the sweltering heat and humidity)