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Re: Off Topic, but vital info
The original posting has nothing to do with Amel Yachts. I am locking this message topic. As a reminder: We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond. Members will register with their given names rather than aliases. Members who currently own an Amel should always sign postings with their given name, boat name, Amel model, and hull number.
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:14 AM martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:
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Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
Rink De Haan
Hi Bill
I am also interested.
Topic for me could be: changing the old B&G network to NME2000 and current systems.
Best regards
Rink
Amel SM2k #330 Razors Edge
Van: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> namens CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Verzonden: Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:13:41 PM Aan: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
All,
I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.
Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.
When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.
I am looking forward to this.
Bill
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:
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Randall Walker
Very interested. The two topics? 1- how to fix, repair or replace info for everything. 2- where to source any relevant parts. I know were surrounded by knowledge and good people. So many have documentation on how to teach us. Now we need a central, and user friendly info site. Randall A54-#56
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Re: Off Topic, but vital info
Sounds like a Political conspiracy
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Is this the purpose of Amel Owners forum?
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Off Topic, but vital info
arthur saftlas
This video interview answers the question, What in this world is really going on?
A famous doctor answers this on a little known channel, because it is against the mainstream. Please watch and share once you realize this is vital information.
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Thanks Bill
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Agree and interested Martin Hameline VoileOVent Maramu
On Apr 19, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Marco Mancini <marcomancini61@...> wrote:
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Marco Mancini
Thanks Bill will be of course a nice initiative to meet the Amel community.
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cheers Marco Mancini SM Desiree 304
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Miles
Hi Mark, I once ruined a set of membranes by putting chlorinated dock water in the boat and then back flushing. Since then any shore water that goes into the boat first goes through a “whole house” filter that removes chlorine. To check this, I have test stripes that measure the amount of chlorine in water. The test kit is sold in tropical fish stores. My filters are over 10 years old. I have been told that the more the filters are used, the longer they will last. When I don’t use the water maker much, the TDS goes up toward 300. When I use the water maker for my total supply off-shore or in a very clean harbor, the TDS goes back down toward 200. I agree with the comments. I also run the water without pressure for several minutes when I turn it on to get all the fresh water from the back flushing out. I agree with Alan that the pressure with fresh water could be damaging. Regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, sm216, locked down in Le Marin, Martinique
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Anthony Wetmore
We would definitely be interested in this as new Santorin owners since December. We have much to learn.
Tony Wetmore Notorious
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Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Merci Philippe!
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Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
Merci Dominique!
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PAOLO CUNEO
Hi Bill, Hi all,
No matter the topics, it is a fantastic opportunity to get closer to our great community. I am in by all means! Paolo Cuneo SM 454 “ Whisper” Inviato da iPad
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Charles Bell
Interested, please invite me,
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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Mohammad,
I was told by Martin to run the water maker with the pressure at the beginning of the green zone. It also says this in the manual.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 19 April 2020 08:32 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Hi;
When we first purchased Kokomo, I had detailed discussions with Martin, the head tech at Dessalator, about the environments that the water maker could be used and best practices. The following was my takeaway:
We have done the above for 5 seasons of about 5 months each. The pre-filters typically last a whole season. We never put any water in the tank other than from the water maker. The water quality is always below 250 PPM. When we purchased Kokomo, the water maker had only 60 hours on it. So, I’m fairly sure that our membranes are original from 2008 and therefore 12 years old. The water maker now has around 550 hours. I was told that after 500 hours, the quality will probably start to drop. Our usage has solely been in the Med.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Hi Colin,
Yes, I re-read that part and it is a little confusing how I wrote it. In marina, we do a fresh water flush aobut once a week. We do not run the water maker in that environment.
Thanks for the insight, I guess I need to be more fussy about where we run it. I thought the pre-filter would help a lot. I guess not.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Mark
We had the 100L/Hr Duo on Island Pearl II and went around the work in three years with a new 2016 set of membranes. Those membranes were still perfect at the end of our trip doing a full 100L/Hr easily on the a/c current but slightly down to 75L/hr on the DC current motor.
We were absolutely fussy about the cleanliness of ocean water before running it and were sometimes scoffed at by others eg in Rodrigues (Indian Ocean) for lifting anchor, risking losing our good spot to go out to sea every four-five days to make water whilst other cruiser friends simply made water inside the large seawater harbour where we felt the water was not up to scratch. Also, we never took the boat out onto the hard for a season, even though we had planned to do this in the Caribbean in 2019.
If you are careful like this, which I suspect you are, then there must be something else at play with your system and I look forward to hearing about that from other more experienced cruisers here.
Also, since we have communicated often and I admire your equally careful approach to looking after Creampuff, I highly suspect that when you refer to "running your watermaker at least once per week in marina's", that you actually meant "doing a freshwater flush cycle" in the marina from your tank as per the manual requirements.... rather than actually making water from the extremely dirty marina seawater which would totally explain everything about your problems, but which I am equally sure you would never have done.
Colin Streeter Brisbane ex Island Pearl II
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:10 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
-- Colin Streeter 0411 016 445 -- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Mark,
Mine recently went bad after just a few months use. It turns out that there was a boat upwind of us in the anchorage leaking diesel. I’m told that any kind of fuel leak is very bad for membranes and can destroy them quickly. If you are using your water maker in a marina on a regular basis then I would think there is a possibility that it may be a small quantity of hydrocarbons in the water on a regular basis getting into your membranes.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: 19 April 2020 01:22 To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please.
Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes.
When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes.
We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range.
Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Regarding the air...motor sailing...
We too have been doing this for years without problems. If we know we'll have the main engine on for a while, the watermaker is always on, same when running the generator when sailing on passage...or at anchor. Our membranes are now 7 years old. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 ... hiding out in Opua
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Mohammad Shirloo
Hi;
When we first purchased Kokomo, I had detailed discussions with Martin, the head tech at Dessalator, about the environments that the water maker could be used and best practices. The following was my takeaway:
We have done the above for 5 seasons of about 5 months each. The pre-filters typically last a whole season. We never put any water in the tank other than from the water maker. The water quality is always below 250 PPM. When we purchased Kokomo, the water maker had only 60 hours on it. So, I’m fairly sure that our membranes are original from 2008 and therefore 12 years old. The water maker now has around 550 hours. I was told that after 500 hours, the quality will probably start to drop. Our usage has solely been in the Med.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 9:35 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes
Hi Colin,
Yes, I re-read that part and it is a little confusing how I wrote it. In marina, we do a fresh water flush aobut once a week. We do not run the water maker in that environment.
Thanks for the insight, I guess I need to be more fussy about where we run it. I thought the pre-filter would help a lot. I guess not.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
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main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Mark
We had the 100L/Hr Duo on Island Pearl II and went around the work in three years with a new 2016 set of membranes. Those membranes were still perfect at the end of our trip doing a full 100L/Hr easily on the a/c current but slightly down to 75L/hr on the DC current motor.
We were absolutely fussy about the cleanliness of ocean water before running it and were sometimes scoffed at by others eg in Rodrigues (Indian Ocean) for lifting anchor, risking losing our good spot to go out to sea every four-five days to make water whilst other cruiser friends simply made water inside the large seawater harbour where we felt the water was not up to scratch. Also, we never took the boat out onto the hard for a season, even though we had planned to do this in the Caribbean in 2019.
If you are careful like this, which I suspect you are, then there must be something else at play with your system and I look forward to hearing about that from other more experienced cruisers here.
Also, since we have communicated often and I admire your equally careful approach to looking after Creampuff, I highly suspect that when you refer to "running your watermaker at least once per week in marina's", that you actually meant "doing a freshwater flush cycle" in the marina from your tank as per the manual requirements.... rather than actually making water from the extremely dirty marina seawater which would totally explain everything about your problems, but which I am equally sure you would never have done.
Colin Streeter Brisbane ex Island Pearl II
On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:10 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
We make water while motor sailing. No problems and we have the Amel single through hull for salt water intake. We never use chemicals for sterilising or pickling. Just back flush with NON chorinated water from the tank with the pressure valve totally released after each use. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl Kind Regards DANNY SM 299 OCEAN PEARL
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Hi Bill, If the Time Zome works for me (Singaoire) I would be interested . Regds
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Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Hello Mark,
On Aquarius, we also have this problem with our 24V D60. We continually see an increase in the ppm each year. I have a few questions so we might flush this out... 1) Do you have a pre-pump that feeds your high pressure pump? 2) For those that have a pre-pump, do you see this problem? I am starting to get the feeling that cavitation do to air in the system is causing the problem on Aquarius. We only have a single sea water intake, stock Amel, and we do make water while motor sailing, and this could cause air to get into the water-maker system. With the air in the system I am led to believe this is like a jack hammer on the membranes causing micro tears to form. Overtime, the holes get bigger, and whaalaa 1000 ppm. I don't have the pre-pump on Aquarius, but I am planing to add the pump when I install new membranes in about 6 months. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Ken Aboard Aquarius Locked Down in Phuket SM2K#262
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