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Genoa sheets and runaway winches

John and Anne on Bali Hai
 

When we replaced these sheets we made them two metres longer as the original lenth was inadequate when the other sheet was poled out.

Following that terrble tale of someones arm being wrenched off I have wondered what I would do in the same situation. I now know because the port winch started running of its own accord whilst we were in a marina with furled sails.It was likely to break the clew or the forestay or bring the mast down. Luckily I was in the cockpit and grabbed the tail as it poured off the winch to pull it out of the self tailer. My first attempt failed but luckily it worked at my second attempt and the forestay returned to its normal position. Hopefully nothing has been overstressed!!
Why did it happen? Anne was cleaning the area in front of the wheel and had moved my plastic box containing a Leatherman and steering lock and put it on top of the controls...no problem. Then she put a bottle of liquid into the box which triggered the winch. As the controls were out of sight she could not imagine what had fired up the winch.
Thought you would like to know!

Regards, Anne and John, SM319


Re: Outhaul Gearbox Removal

John and Anne on Bali Hai
 

Hello Tom, Having just been through this problem I have a few pointers. If a bolt has sheared off take the box to a machine shop and get them to drill it out and insert a Helicoil which will be better than the original. My outhaul was noisy but the furler was silent.The bronze gear was the cause and needed replacement. Remember that these gearboxes/motors are of industrial quality and only the bronze wheel needs to be changed along with the oil seals because the outhaul carries very heavy loads when we abuse it. The total daily use is perhaps a couple of minutes and thus the bearings should be hardly run in. The wheel in the furling box was as good as new.
When hammering out the drive shaft put supports between the mounting bracket and the boom to transfer the load. My suspicion is that the seizure is due to salt crystals forming between the shaft and the gearbox and it might be sensible to have a couple of thou skimmed off the bottom part of the shaft. However I have piled grease around the top of the box and put duct tape over the opening in the hope of keeping sea water out and will remove the shaft every six months in future.

Good luck with it, Anne and John, SM319

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@...> wrote:

I think I was reading too many of the recent posts on this site, but since I bought the boat a year ago and hadn't serviced the gearbox I decided this relatively cooler weekend (in Annapolis) was just the right time.

I was initially just going to remove the bottom panel to inspect grease level but I remembered a recommendation to remove the whole assembly periodically or it will seize up. When one of the retaining screws broke off during removal I knew it was going to be one of those projects.

Took off the lower half of gearbox but the sail handler axel was stuck fast in the gearbox. Used Corrosion-X, blowtorch, WD-40, 2 lb hammer,gear puller, and lots of technical advice from Richard Piller (who very fortunately resides 4 slips from me). No luck. Finally resorted to the "BeBe solution". Took the boom off, bought an 8-lb sledgehammer, put the boom upside down on blocks and wailed away. Finally got it out and reassembled everything. Beyond a few scuff marks on the boom, no damage. Had to use my spare gearbox while I figure out how to drill out the offending screw from the old one.

My boat is SM2K #422, a 2004, so it's not that old. I'm not in a place in my Amel ownership experience to offer much new technical advice (relative to the true experts on this site), but I think removing and greasing this axel every six months (which someone suggested last month) is very sage advice that I will be following religiously.

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Re: Galley Sink insert

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

What I meant to describe is the plastic insert trey for the sink...we use it to stack dishes to dry. It is labeled with "CER MAT" with a heart between the "CER" and the "MAT."

Bill
BeBe, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Does anyone know where we can buy a replacement for the plastic tray for the galley sink? It has "CER&#9825;MAT" on each end of the tray.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Crete, Greek Islands


Galley Sink drain insert

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Does anyone know where we can buy a replacement for the plastic tray for the galley sink? It has "CER&#9825;MAT" on each end of the tray.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Crete, Greek Islands


Re: [Amel] St Martin Maramu

eric freedman
 

If you know where it is in SXM I will be there next week and take a look at
it for you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Roberts
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] St Martin Maramu





Does anyone know this boat?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/Amel-Maramu-Ketch-2116025/Caribbean/St.
-Maarten-St.-Martin
Any comments about this 1981 Maramu? Thanks, Russ


St Martin Maramu

Russ Roberts <russ.roberts.va@...>
 

Does anyone know this boat?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/Amel-Maramu-Ketch-2116025/Caribbean/St.-Maarten-St.-Martin
Any comments about this 1981 Maramu? Thanks, Russ


Outhaul Gearbox Removal

Thomas <thomas.kleman@...>
 

I think I was reading too many of the recent posts on this site, but since I bought the boat a year ago and hadn't serviced the gearbox I decided this relatively cooler weekend (in Annapolis) was just the right time.

I was initially just going to remove the bottom panel to inspect grease level but I remembered a recommendation to remove the whole assembly periodically or it will seize up. When one of the retaining screws broke off during removal I knew it was going to be one of those projects.

Took off the lower half of gearbox but the sail handler axel was stuck fast in the gearbox. Used Corrosion-X, blowtorch, WD-40, 2 lb hammer,gear puller, and lots of technical advice from Richard Piller (who very fortunately resides 4 slips from me). No luck. Finally resorted to the "BeBe solution". Took the boom off, bought an 8-lb sledgehammer, put the boom upside down on blocks and wailed away. Finally got it out and reassembled everything. Beyond a few scuff marks on the boom, no damage. Had to use my spare gearbox while I figure out how to drill out the offending screw from the old one.

My boat is SM2K #422, a 2004, so it's not that old. I'm not in a place in my Amel ownership experience to offer much new technical advice (relative to the true experts on this site), but I think removing and greasing this axel every six months (which someone suggested last month) is very sage advice that I will be following religiously.

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


SSB Radio

eric freedman
 

After sending my Icom model 802 back and forth to Icom we finally received
it back with it working 100 percent at the factory.



When installed it still did not work, so we changed the antenna lead GTO-15
wire, still NG. Finally I fiddled with the wires of the control cable at
the tuner and fount that the 18-20 gauge red wire pin had disintegrated
inside the connector. A 4 dollar connector at radio shack and all is now
100 percent.



You might want to check that connector.

Mine was installed with three different types of tapes and liquid insulation
and it still corroded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Bad news about the Optional Exhaust elbow on yanmar 100 HP

eric freedman
 

I was so happy to receive the new "optional exhaust elbow for my Yanmar 100
hp engine last week.

It is a beautiful casting probably weighing 12 pounds. Unfortunately, when
Amel turned the intercooler upside down to allow access to the starter motor
and raw water pump it changed the tolerances of the space at the elbow and
the optional manifold will not fit.

Back to the old model. I will keep the one I had re welded as a spare.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Paul & Sue,

Regarding your 2nd question and the vibration, I've replaced the mounts
(happened to be in LaRochelle at the time so got them from Amel) and,
although I've got a Santorin, I believe the SM construction is similar.
That is, as you noted, both the engine and "C" drive are bolted to a
rigid angle iron frame and the so-called "engine mounts" are fastened to
that frame so the whole assembly "floats" as one.

I unbolted the "engine mounts" from the frame and floor stringers and
then hoisted each corner of the engine frame with a halyard, one at a
time, slipped out the old mount and slid in the new. No need to touch
the engine bolts, although it may be easier to pop out the engine first
because the bolts are tough to get to (maybe easier on the SM than the
SN). By the way, and it's probably your plan, replacing all the mounts,
not just the two "bad" ones seems the right call, since you're into it
anyway.

Your vibration issue is interesting. In my case the new "engine mounts"
helped a lot. If it doesn't and you do indeed have a misalignment of the
transmission with the "C" drive, there is some "wiggle" room in the
bolts holding the engine to the frame. I've pulled my engine a few
times and when I put it back I drop in the bolts and just start the nuts
on a couple of turns. Then I "horse" the engine around a bit to be sure
the bolts are happy. Next I take a "feeler" gauge to the
transmission/"C" drive coupling and wiggle the engine around a bit by
hand to be sure it's well in line, before tightening up the engine
bolts. A couple of times I've actually gone back after a few hours of
engine time, and loosened, then retightened the bolts - may not have
been necessary but it made me feel better.

It'll be interesting to hear how yours works out - do post an update.

Craig Briggs, s/v Sangaris, SN#68, on the hard in Leros, Greece doing
the cruiser's "Sail 'n Fix".

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "LaFrance" <pflafrance@...>
wrote:

... engine mounts require replacement... and the allignment from the
transmission is out a tad which is causing the engine to vibrate.
1. ...where we can obtain the ...mounts
2. Has anyone replaced the mounts and if so what procedure did you
use??

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM # 362 currently in Booth Bay, Maine


Re: [Amel] Engine Motor Mounts

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Try Vetus Marine. I believe they are called hydro dampers, type mitsteun. They are in the catalog, page 127 next to the motor mounts.
They have a distributor in North Carolina. John "Moon Dog" SM 248



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: pflafrance@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:00:58 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Engine Motor Mounts






Our 2 aft motor engine mounts require replacement. Our engine is a 75 HP Yanmar. The mounts are the rubber donout type under the frame that supports the engine and drive train. We noted that these apear to be the same mounts used on other Super Maramus with the Perkins engine.
Our engine has 5,000 Hrs and the allignment from the transmission is out a tad which is causing the engine to vibrate.
1. Our first question does anyone know of where we can obtain the rubber mounts, who makes them and can they be sourced in the USA? Amel is closed for vacation now.
2. Has anyone replaced the mounts an if so what procedure did you use??

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM # 362 currently in Booth Bay, Maine






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Re: Saildrive

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ric,
I'm sure Richard can help out and there are many posts on this DB about changing the lip seals on these "C" drives. Coincidentally, I doing mine today and the top seal is also leaking. The seals are all inexpensive stock items - be sure to specify stainless springs for the lower ones underwater.

The lower ones are 45mm - 65mm and Amel's shop drawing says to use either three 8mm thick seals or two at 12mm. With three, Amel says put the first two with the cupped side facing in toward the oil and the last one facing out to the sea water. With two 12mm the first goes facing the oil the the outer faces the sea water. Rather than buying a new "wearing out bearing", you can have any machine shop just dress the wearing surface to smooth out the old grooves. And some folks have been going with stainless - search this site for those discussions.

There's only one upper seal and it's 60 x 90 x 10. You'll have to uncouple the drive shaft and schooch the engine back a bit.

Have fun,
Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris; SN#68 - in Partheni Boatyard on Leros, Gr

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

I have ..Santorin with ...
seawater mixing with the oil ..and ..leaking at the seal
near the bilge. ..
Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24


Re: [Amel] Re: Engine Motor Mounts

John and Anne on Bali Hai
 

Hi Paul and Sue,
I think they are standard units made by Silentbloc, try their website for more info and local agents.

Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave_Benjamin
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:59 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Engine Motor Mounts



Have you checked with a mechanic to see if they're standard mounts? Maybe email or print out a picture to show a parts dealer? Hopefully they're standard mounts.

I buy all my Yanmar stuff from Barbara at Golden State Diesel in Oakland, CA. She has treated me well for the past few decades and knows the parts business.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "LaFrance" <pflafrance@...> wrote:
>
> Our 2 aft motor engine mounts require replacement. Our engine is a 75 HP Yanmar. The mounts are the rubber donout type under the frame that supports the engine and drive train. We noted that these apear to be the same mounts used on other Super Maramus with the Perkins engine.
> Our engine has 5,000 Hrs and the allignment from the transmission is out a tad which is causing the engine to vibrate.
> 1. Our first question does anyone know of where we can obtain the rubber mounts, who makes them and can they be sourced in the USA? Amel is closed for vacation now.
> 2. Has anyone replaced the mounts an if so what procedure did you use??
>
> Thanks
> Paul & Sue LaFrance
> SV NOMAD SM # 362 currently in Booth Bay, Maine
>


Re: [Amel] Saildrive

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Ric I am in Annapolis give me a call.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

"brokerage beyond your expectations"

On Aug 11, 2011, at 19:24, Ric <ric@kitchenmagic.net> wrote:

I have a 1990 Santorin with a perkins 50. The transfer case is getting
seawater mixing with the oil resevoir and now is leaking at the seal
near the bilge. I cant read who makes it in ends with "cate". Does
anyone have a manuel or further info? I am in Annapolis to refit.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24

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Saildrive

Ric <ric@...>
 

I have a 1990 Santorin with a perkins 50. The transfer case is getting seawater mixing with the oil resevoir and now is leaking at the seal near the bilge. I cant read who makes it in ends with "cate". Does anyone have a manuel or further info? I am in Annapolis to refit.

Ric Gottschalk
Bali Hai SN24


Super Maramu Hatch Screens/Shades and Rubber Gasket above Rub Rail

george cerillo
 

We have SM #353 Indecent, we have a couple of different questions -
1. Has anyone installed after market screen/shades in the 4 hatches that the Super Maramu's have? The type with screens and shades that pull out?
2. We have that awful brown/orange colored rubber gasket that sits above the rub rail. It is impossible to clean or really do anything to make it look any better. Some of the newer SMs have white colored gaskets. Has anyone replaced the original brown/orange with the white? If so where did you source them(besides Amel?)

Thanks so much.

Kim and George Cerillo
#353 Indecent


Re: Engine Motor Mounts

Dave_Benjamin
 

Have you checked with a mechanic to see if they're standard mounts? Maybe email or print out a picture to show a parts dealer? Hopefully they're standard mounts.

I buy all my Yanmar stuff from Barbara at Golden State Diesel in Oakland, CA. She has treated me well for the past few decades and knows the parts business.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "LaFrance" <pflafrance@...> wrote:

Our 2 aft motor engine mounts require replacement. Our engine is a 75 HP Yanmar. The mounts are the rubber donout type under the frame that supports the engine and drive train. We noted that these apear to be the same mounts used on other Super Maramus with the Perkins engine.
Our engine has 5,000 Hrs and the allignment from the transmission is out a tad which is causing the engine to vibrate.
1. Our first question does anyone know of where we can obtain the rubber mounts, who makes them and can they be sourced in the USA? Amel is closed for vacation now.
2. Has anyone replaced the mounts an if so what procedure did you use??

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM # 362 currently in Booth Bay, Maine


Engine Motor Mounts

LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Our 2 aft motor engine mounts require replacement. Our engine is a 75 HP Yanmar. The mounts are the rubber donout type under the frame that supports the engine and drive train. We noted that these apear to be the same mounts used on other Super Maramus with the Perkins engine.
Our engine has 5,000 Hrs and the allignment from the transmission is out a tad which is causing the engine to vibrate.
1. Our first question does anyone know of where we can obtain the rubber mounts, who makes them and can they be sourced in the USA? Amel is closed for vacation now.
2. Has anyone replaced the mounts an if so what procedure did you use??

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM # 362 currently in Booth Bay, Maine


Re: [Amel] Re: If you bought a Rocna in the past few years....

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

The only similarity beetween the 2 is the rollbar. The Wasi looks like it's a tryangle piece of flat steel with a roll bar welded on. Where as the rocna has a bit more in the design with the flukes and tip.
Our 40 kg Rocna has been faultless in all conditions.
 
Cheers....Conn

--- On Wed, 10/8/11, Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com> wrote:


From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: If you bought a Rocna in the past few years....
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 10 August, 2011, 8:57 AM


 



David,

This is very interesting to me because in the spring 2009, in New Zealand, we were aware of 3 yachts that had problems with Rochna's galvanizing flaking off. This was before the date stated in the recall notice. I wonder if the flaking of galvanizing had anything to do with "other" production problems, or if is the same issue.

My experience is that if a manufacturer chooses to knock-off someone else's design, they may also choose to cut other corners. OK, I know Rochna's BS about not knocking off the Wasi Bügel...I have always doubted their story.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently The Greek Islands

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

Apparently they have not used the metal they said they were using. See the link below for details.

http://content.westmarine.com/documents/pdfs/RECALLS/PRODUCT%20SPECIFICATION%20NOTICE%20FOR%20WEBSITE%20-%208%2001.pdf







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Re: If you bought a Rocna in the past few years....

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

David,

This is very interesting to me because in the spring 2009, in New Zealand, we were aware of 3 yachts that had problems with Rochna's galvanizing flaking off. This was before the date stated in the recall notice. I wonder if the flaking of galvanizing had anything to do with "other" production problems, or if is the same issue.

My experience is that if a manufacturer chooses to knock-off someone else's design, they may also choose to cut other corners. OK, I know Rochna's BS about not knocking off the Wasi Bügel...I have always doubted their story.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently The Greek Islands

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

Apparently they have not used the metal they said they were using. See the link below for details.

http://content.westmarine.com/documents/pdfs/RECALLS/PRODUCT%20SPECIFICATION%20NOTICE%20FOR%20WEBSITE%20-%208%2001.pdf