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Re: 24v alternator pulley

 

Nick,

Apparently Amel wasn't happy with the install of the 175 amp alternator on the first 54s either. They later changed the alternator to a 110 amp Mastervolt. If possible, you should look at a later model 54. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 2:27 AM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am still not completely happy with the 24v 175A alternator installation on Amelia.
There is belt dust that is annoying, and they do not last very long.

I have checked the alignment and it is pretty good.

The alternator is nearly new.

I have a smart regulator that ramps up the load gradually.

The two idler pulley are not perfect. So I will have them machined down say 0.5mm and new bearings and check they are true. Maybe this is the problem?

The faces of the grooved pulleys are smooth.

So far the best belt in terms of longevity is the Mitsubishi Set Free SPB 1320LW.

Belt tension; I do not have a gauge and do it by feel. Perhaps it is time to buy the tension gauge?

What I am beginning to think is that I should change from twin v pulleys to a Serpentine grooved pulley with a single wide belt. I
could use the existing idlers and the tensioner. Change the PTO pulley and the alternator pulley.

Has anyone done this?

Or does anyone have any thoughts.

Nick
S/Y Amelia anchored in the south of Peloponnisos
AML 54-019



Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

Dean Gillies <dean@...>
 

Hi Tuen, I’ll be at home in Sydney until late April then back to Stella, currently in Scotland. Ping me on here or private email if you are heading this way before April. Cheers Dean

X

Re: seals orientation

eric freedman
 

HI Jose,
How many hours do you have on the seals, and what type of grease did you use
on them?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] seals orientation

Craig
Still pristine and constant oil level
Jose
Ipanema
Sm278

Re: seals orientation

Jose Venegas
 

Craig
Still pristine and constant oil level
Jose
Ipanema
Sm278

Re: 24v alternator pulley

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Nick,

We have the Leece Neville alternator with a smart reg on Elyse ...twin belt pulley...and no dust...and the belts are fine after years.
Previous experience with this leads me to believe that the pulley is the problem.
You don't need much of an imperfection in the pulley groove to lead to belt destruction.
The belt should be sitting in the pulley groove, not bottoming out and the faces of the pulley groove must be absolutely devoid of any corrosion or dirt, anything.
Ours has worked perfectly for the last 6 years ....and the big advantage of this setup is that the 2 belts on the LN 175A alternator are the same size as the belt on the small alt that charges the start battery.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Latest RigRite.com Goiot Tradition Prices 2019!

Andrew Eaves
 

Hi Charles

Fantastic work and yes please. I don't need much as a repair but if you have sets that aren't costing much I may replace them all to match. My email address is andyeaves@... to note if you can send me a list of what you have, it would be appreciated. 

Do you know of a reasonable place to get the gaskets short of the same marine shops?

Thanks

Re: Engine Water leakage

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi LO,
Your mechanic's educated guess could be correct, but not necessarily so. As I noted this could simply be a leaking freeze plug. I've had both and they are identical in appearance, that is, both drip down behind the timing belt cover and cannot be seen at the source. One costs $1, the other costs $179 ($184 with gasket sealant) from Parts 4 Diesels (don't know about European sourcing). 

You won't know until you pull the plastic timing belt housing off (after removing timing belt, drive and cam shaft pulleys, fuel pump pulley, idlers, etc.) Do not remove the water pump until you spot the leak so you will know if it is the pump or the freeze plug behind the pump. 

If you've got an oil leak too, it's easy and cheap to replace the front seals while you've got the timing cover off. (Well, the seals are cheap - as is my labor - don't know about a mechanic's charge if you're not doing the work yourself.)
 
Good luck with it,
Craig

Re: 24v alternator pulley

James Alton
 

Nick,

High output alternators and their pulleys can run pretty hot even when properly set up which seems to be a big factor in the dust problem and the early failure. With twin belts it is of course critical that the two belts be a perfectly matched set so that they share the load equally so try to buy belts from the same batch and don’t mix if at all possible. I had a customer with a twin belt setup with a 200 amp large case alternator that was going through belts in a relatively short period and what a mess the engine room was. I switched him to the Gates Fleetrunner belts used for long haul truckers and the belt dressing was greatly reduced and the failures pretty much stopped. Marine Pro liked the belts enough to begin putting them on customers engines too when possible. Might be worth giving them a try though unfortunately I have sometimes had problems finding the exact size that I needed.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Now high and dry in Preveza

On Oct 25, 2019, at 4:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

I am still not completely happy with the 24v 175A alternator installation on Amelia.
There is belt dust that is annoying, and they do not last very long.

I have checked the alignment and it is pretty good.

The alternator is nearly new.

I have a smart regulator that ramps up the load gradually.

The two idler pulley are not perfect. So I will have them machined down say 0.5mm and new bearings and check they are true. Maybe this is the problem?

The faces of the grooved pulleys are smooth.

So far the best belt in terms of longevity is the Mitsubishi Set Free SPB 1320LW.

Belt tension; I do not have a gauge and do it by feel. Perhaps it is time to buy the tension gauge?

What I am beginning to think is that I should change from twin v pulleys to a Serpentine grooved pulley with a single wide belt. I
could use the existing idlers and the tensioner. Change the PTO pulley and the alternator pulley.

Has anyone done this?

Or does anyone have any thoughts.

Nick
S/Y Amelia anchored in the south of Peloponnisos
AML 54-019


Re: 24v alternator pulley

michael winand
 





I have a new engine and 24v alternator with the belt. Still new so far am pleased with the set up. 


On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 6:27 pm, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io
<ngtnewington@...> wrote:
I am still not completely happy with the 24v 175A alternator installation on Amelia.
There is belt dust that is annoying, and they do not last very long.

I have checked the alignment and it is pretty good.

The alternator is nearly new.

I have a smart regulator that ramps up the load gradually.

The two idler pulley are not perfect. So I will have them machined down say 0.5mm and new bearings and check they are true. Maybe this is the problem?

The faces of the grooved pulleys are smooth.

So far the best belt in terms of longevity is the Mitsubishi Set Free SPB 1320LW.

Belt tension; I do not have a gauge and do it by feel. Perhaps it is time to buy the tension gauge?

What I am beginning to think is that I should change from twin v pulleys to a Serpentine grooved pulley with a single wide belt. I
could use the existing idlers and the tensioner. Change the PTO pulley and the alternator pulley.

Has anyone done this?

Or does anyone have any thoughts.

Nick
S/Y Amelia anchored in the south of Peloponnisos
AML 54-019


24v alternator pulley

ngtnewington Newington
 

I am still not completely happy with the 24v 175A alternator installation on Amelia.
There is belt dust that is annoying, and they do not last very long.

I have checked the alignment and it is pretty good.

The alternator is nearly new.

I have a smart regulator that ramps up the load gradually.

The two idler pulley are not perfect. So I will have them machined down say 0.5mm and new bearings and check they are true. Maybe this is the problem?

The faces of the grooved pulleys are smooth.

So far the best belt in terms of longevity is the Mitsubishi Set Free SPB 1320LW.

Belt tension; I do not have a gauge and do it by feel. Perhaps it is time to buy the tension gauge?

What I am beginning to think is that I should change from twin v pulleys to a Serpentine grooved pulley with a single wide belt. I
could use the existing idlers and the tensioner. Change the PTO pulley and the alternator pulley.

Has anyone done this?

Or does anyone have any thoughts.

Nick
S/Y Amelia anchored in the south of Peloponnisos
AML 54-019

Re: Engine Water leackage

Santorin LO
 

As bitter as as can...

However, Mechanic suggested leak from fresh water pump (must be right as leakage is from the back (under the timing) + leakage from oil gasket in the same area - made a lot of sense as both are coming from there.

On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 06:14:50 PM GMT+3, Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:


I had a similar colored liquid in my bilge. after a long search it turned out to be the red gear box oil mixed with diesel. reason was leaking gearbox and leaking diesel hp pump. fixed both and all is fine now.
you might also want to check on the heat exchanger lines if everything is tightened properly.
what does the liquid smell / taste like?
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Matt,

 

Thanks for the suggestion but, in all honesty, except for this forum I avoid any social media as I am looking for qualified advice 😊.

 

Have gotten real, real helpful feedback so far and it worked. I think I am all covered by now thanks to this Forum.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 25, 2019 16:22:09

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 22:54
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

 

Try asking on the Sailing Australia FB page.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Oct 24, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

I am leaving around November 10 2019 from NOUMEA to AUSTRALIA; probably north of BRISBANE and south of BUNDABERG.

 

Can anybody recommend a safe & affordable marina where I can leave the boat for 8 weeks or so (Dec 12, 2019 thru Feb 12, 2020) and then have her, in the vicinity, hauled out for copper coat anti-fouling plus additional 2 yearly A54 maintenance. One of my previous AUSSIE crew, living in the area, is suggesting leaving her on anchor as it is free but I prefer a slip or on the hard while I am in USA.

 

Somebody here in NOUMEA suggested MOOLOOLABA QLD – I have no clue 😊

 

I am flying out of & back in (with a lot of luggage) BRISBANE so will need to have access to transportation to & from International Airport.

 

Any yards; trades people in the area familiar with AMEL?

 

Appreciate your help & suggestions.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 24, 2019 20:23:20

 

 

 

 

 

Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Dean,

 

Sydney – very possible but not before I have done maintenance & back in the water next year.

 

Would really like meeting and discussing our boats 😊.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 25, 2019 14:35:13

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of SY STELLA via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 14:33
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

 

Hi Tuen,
Let me know if you are coming to Sydney and we can have a meet-up. I considered buying your boat in 2017!
cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Tuen,
Let me know if you are coming to Sydney and we can have a meet-up. I considered buying your boat in 2017!
cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running

Chad & Leslie Shoaf
 

Had this happen with a clogged vet line. Wasps and other things build nest in them. Creates a vacuum in the fuel tank.

Chad

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 8:37 AM Mark Garver via Groups.Io <mgarver=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
It's been several months since my wife and I left our boat up in the Chesapeake and upon arrival today to have it hauled for a long over due cleaning. The Yanmar diesel fired right up, but then after a couple of minutes dies. Wait a couple of minutes and it fires right up again, runs for a couple of minutes and shuts off. It runs smoothly and fires up instantly so it doesn't sound like she's starving for fuel or air. The engine only has 30 hours and has be very reliable.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark
S/V It's Good
SM #105

Re: Latest RigRite.com Goiot Tradition Prices 2019!

Charles Bell
 

Hello Andrew,

I agree!

The part is called an Axel bolt and I already have a batch of 100, along with other parts CNC cut in Aluminum and Anodized.

They should be back to me in a few weeks... I will be happy to hook you (and anyone else who wants some) up. I think they are costing me a couple of dollars each.

I also had the shop make the knobs (male and female)

Feel free to reach out to me if you would like a few of them. If the response is strong, I can increase the order size.


Charles
SV Jupiter

Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker

Alan Leslie
 

Oh and I should have said the 24VDC timer also sends 24VDC to a relay which switches power to the FW pump so you don;t need to leave the boat with FW pump switch on. The relay and a circuit breaker for the pump supply are mounted in the circuit breaker box for the watermaker etc on the engine room forward wall.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Paul,
I bought two 24V DC Solenoid valves on Ebay, one NO the other NC. The NO valve is in the saltwater feed line and the NC Valve replaces the manual flush valve and feeds fresh water through a TEE into the filter housing. The bottom of the 3 connectors on the TEE has the NO solenoid for saltwater supply connected to it.
The solenoid valves are wired to a small 24VDC digital timer, also from Ebay which is ,mounted in the cupboard space above the sink. The timer has 3 functions OFF, MANUAL, AUTO. When away from the boat, we ensure the water tank is full and the timer is set to Auto to flush for two minutes at 1000 Mon, Wed, Friday. It only uses about 4-5 litres each flush.
The whole set up probably cost less than $100.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437  

Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker

David Wallace
 

Paul, I bought two ss 12v solenoid water valves on eBay, one normally open, one normally closed. If I remember correctly they were about $50 each. Unpowered feeds saltwater to the RO, powered feeds freshwater from the tank. Ran wires to the companionway area with a single switch. The switch is wired through the RO on/off power switch so the solenoids can’t be switched unless the system is running. It’s worked well for 9 years now.

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I found this two way valve to make it possible to flush the water maker without going down to the engine room. A bit expensive 450 €. anyone know a cheaper solution.  Yrs I know open the hatch and go down the engine room is a cheaper solution but I'm looking for a remote controlled way to flush the water-maker

Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos <2 way valve.PNG>

Re: Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running

 

typo: should have been "normally open electromagnetic valve"


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 5:39 PM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been following this thread. While I agree that it is a fuel issue, don't forget about the normally closed electromagnetic fuel cutoff valve. Maybe you have a poor connection with the off button, relay, or cutoff valve.

Good luck. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 5:22 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mark,

 

Sorry not on the boat right now but I seem to remember on the Yanmar the fuel filter has a drain on the bottom. You could sample your diesel from there and put it into a glass container. Let it sit and look for separation.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Garver via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running

 

Mark,

 

Unfortunately not. But I think I can put a hose in the bottom of the tank and pump some out to see. At least that is the current plan as well as ensuring the filter is clean.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

S/V It's Good

SM #105


On October 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mark,

 

You have a fuel problem. Do you have a filtration system that allows you to check for water?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

http://www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Garver via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:37 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running

 

It's been several months since my wife and I left our boat up in the Chesapeake and upon arrival today to have it hauled for a long over due cleaning. The Yanmar diesel fired right up, but then after a couple of minutes dies. Wait a couple of minutes and it fires right up again, runs for a couple of minutes and shuts off. It runs smoothly and fires up instantly so it doesn't sound like she's starving for fuel or air. The engine only has 30 hours and has be very reliable.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

S/V It's Good

SM #105