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Re: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.

Howard Berger
 

Wait, could it be a Sharki? It's fitted with a Perkins 4-108.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

It's ALMOST a Maramu but not quite. The transom is not vertical, the galley is layed out differently and the coach roof is all wrong.

The ad says it's a forerunner to Amel, whatever that means.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

This IS an Amel, is it not?  Not following you, I'm afraid.  Here's a link to the boat's full specs page: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2378094&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=77615&url=

Now are you interested in buying?

See you soon,
Kent


________________________________
From: eric <ericmeury@>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.


 
stumbled across this on yachtworld.

not interested in buying it but i'm kinda surprised to find a amel look alike, yet kinda surprised that a yard in China didn't try to copy the boat.

Any thoughts?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?slim=quick¤cy=USD&units=Feet&seo=0&checked_boats=2378094&boat_id=2378094&back=/core/boats/1980/Amel-Nautic-Saintonge-44-2378094/Mallorca/Spain&boat_id=2378094




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Re: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.

Howard Berger
 

It's ALMOST a Maramu but not quite. The transom is not vertical, the galley is layed out differently and the coach roof is all wrong.

The ad says it's a forerunner to Amel, whatever that means.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

This IS an Amel, is it not?  Not following you, I'm afraid.  Here's a link to the boat's full specs page: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2378094&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=77615&url=

Now are you interested in buying?

See you soon,
Kent


________________________________
From: eric <ericmeury@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.


 
stumbled across this on yachtworld.

not interested in buying it but i'm kinda surprised to find a amel look alike, yet kinda surprised that a yard in China didn't try to copy the boat.

Any thoughts?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?slim=quick¤cy=USD&units=Feet&seo=0&checked_boats=2378094&boat_id=2378094&back=/core/boats/1980/Amel-Nautic-Saintonge-44-2378094/Mallorca/Spain&boat_id=2378094




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Re: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.

Howard Berger
 

"ideal fr eine geplante Weltumsegelung!" (ideal for a planned circumnavigation)
The ad says that this make was the forerunner to Amel. Need to research this a bit on the internet.

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: ericmeury@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:17:47 +0000
Subject: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.




























stumbled across this on yachtworld.



not interested in buying it but i'm kinda surprised to find a amel look alike, yet kinda surprised that a yard in China didn't try to copy the boat.



Any thoughts?



http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?slim=quick¤cy=USD&units=Feet&seo=0&checked_boats=2378094&boat_id=2378094&back=/core/boats/1980/Amel-Nautic-Saintonge-44-2378094/Mallorca/Spain&boat_id=2378094


Re: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.

karkauai
 

This IS an Amel, is it not?  Not following you, I'm afraid.  Here's a link to the boat's full specs page: http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/boatMergedDetails.jsp?boat_id=2378094&ybw=&units=Feet¤cy=USD&access=Public&listing_id=77615&url=

Now are you interested in buying?

See you soon,
Kent


________________________________
From: eric <ericmeury@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Amel] looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.


 
stumbled across this on yachtworld.

not interested in buying it but i'm kinda surprised to find a amel look alike, yet kinda surprised that a yard in China didn't try to copy the boat.

Any thoughts?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?slim=quick¤cy=USD&units=Feet&seo=0&checked_boats=2378094&boat_id=2378094&back=/core/boats/1980/Amel-Nautic-Saintonge-44-2378094/Mallorca/Spain&boat_id=2378094




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looks like somebody stole the maramu hull mold.

eric <ericmeury@...>
 

stumbled across this on yachtworld.

not interested in buying it but i'm kinda surprised to find a amel look alike, yet kinda surprised that a yard in China didn't try to copy the boat.

Any thoughts?


http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?slim=quick¤cy=USD&units=Feet&seo=0&checked_boats=2378094&boat_id=2378094&back=/core/boats/1980/Amel-Nautic-Saintonge-44-2378094/Mallorca/Spain&boat_id=2378094


Re: Going up the mast - Going up solo

Dave_Benjamin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Caruso <rxc@...> wrote:
 
Well, I will be in NYC next week, probably at an REI, so I will check it out there. 


Ralph,

If I'm not mistaken you mentioned getting a Gri-Gri in a previous post. I spoke to my climber buddy, who owns a sailboat as well, and he recommended against the Gri-Gri for your purposes. Here's what he said:

"GriGri's are belay devices, not ascenders.

They are _almost_ good for self-belaying as they are "assisted braking devices" (i.e., they pinch the rope a bit when engaged) which would work but they aren't designed to be hands-free, you always need that brake hand on the rope or the device can and will slip. (Yes, I have learned this through experience!) Folks try to use them for self-belay all the time, and there are accident reports all the time because of it."


[Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

The cans that I bought are 18.9 liters with a handle on the top and on the side. They fit snug and are stacked with a piece of plywood between the layers. Four are on the floor and five stacked on top. The 10th can is under the helm seat and we add it to the main tank as soon as it will fit. Then place the 10th, now empty can inside the same locker with the remaining 9. The 10th will not stand up in the locker with the other 9 in place. The cans are rated for 18.9 liters, but will probably hold 20 liters...do not fill over 18.9l them because expansion will cause you a problem...ask me how I know this.

We have experienced a small cyclone with these cans in place...winds 45kts and seas at 5-6 meters. We were in these conditions for at least 3 days as we circled the system. The cans were fine. Had we placed jerry cans on the deck, or used a bladder on the mizzen deck, I am sure we would have had problems in this storm. The storm waves knocked the outboard motor sideways on the rail mount and we almost lost it. I did not have it tied, only secured with the 2 motor screw clamps...after the wave hit it, only 1 clamp was holding. A wave knocked the swim ladder off its clamps, but did not lose it because it was tied...next time the motor will be in the rear laz and the ladder will be tied much better. The wind and waves also uncleated the two mizzen halyards and the anchor chain tie which were properly cleated, but not also tied...next time we will do better.

We were lucky in our choice of these cans because of how they fit in place...we were not sure of the fit until after we bought them. The port laz was out of the question because it is full of other stuff and the rear laz was out of the question because of the location of the added weight.

I am familiar with a SM that tied a large flexible fuel bladder on the mizzen deck just behind the mast. I opted out of that because of the high proximity of the weight...not sure if I am correct about that, but it did not seem to me to be a good place. The liferaft locker allows for much of the weight to be born low to the water and is opposite the weight added by the main fuel tank.

I am sure that our solution is not the only one, but we are happy with it. Additionally, even though we have carried this extra fuel on many passages, we have not needed it (yet). When we cross the Atlantic we will surely have 600l in the main tank and 189l in our cans.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Kleman <thomas.kleman@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill......actually, we took your advice on the fuel storage issue a few months ago and now carry 5 gerry cans in the port locker. My concern with putting another 5 on top of them would be weight in that locker and how to stack and brace everything so it wouldn't suffer in heavy seas.Any ideas ?


From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption


 
We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the 1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27 liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230 liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@> wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar 4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422



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Re: [Amel] outhaul motor parts

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Did you get my email back channel as to where I live?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Veit
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 6:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] outhaul motor parts





New York.
Cheers
Veit

Sent from VM mobile

On Sep 10, 2011, at 12:25, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonline.net
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote:

Dear Viet,

Thank you so much.

Where are you located?

Fair Winds

Eric

S&#92;m

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Veit
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 10:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] outhaul motor parts

Hello Eric:

Our furling motor has a broken shaft, outside housing looks ok. I am
trying
to get a new motor through Amel. If this works out, you can have the other
parts.
Cheers
Veit
ATMAN
SM 215

Sent from VM mobile

On Sep 5, 2011, at 16:31, kimberlite <kimberlite@optonline.net
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net>
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote:



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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] outhaul motor parts

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] outhaul motor parts

I have had my mainsail outhaul motor taken apart in a motor shop. One of
the magnets glue

To the inside shell of the motor is broken. Otherwise the motor is fine.
Does anyone in the USA or Canada have a corroded or broken Leroy Sommer
outhaul motor? I need to take the motor apart for the magnets.

If there is also a damaged or corroded gearbox I would also be
interested
in
purchasing it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu #376












Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

eric freedman
 

All of our 11 Gerry cans 5 and 6 gallon ones will stand up without stacking
them.

They fit in the aft section of the port locker. They fit very tightly and do
not move around in a heavy sea, hurricane included.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption





Thanks Bill......actually, we took your advice on the fuel storage issue a
few months ago and now carry 5 gerry cans in the port locker. My concern
with putting another 5 on top of them would be weight in that locker and how
to stack and brace everything so it wouldn't suffer in heavy seas.Any ideas
?

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com
<mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption


We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the
1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27 liters/engine
hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring and motor
sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and never
higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most
conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of
the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230
liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that
doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@...>
wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our
Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar
4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the
orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've
recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear
from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Fuel Consumption-and additional fuel storage

eric freedman
 

I have posted a fuel consumption table in the files section of our website
for all Yanmar engines and most RPM's.

This came directly from Yanmar.



I also had 2 fuel tanks made in St Martin that totally fill the life raft
locker and they hold about 75 gallons total.

We also sometimes put a 50 gallon bladder in the forward end of the port
cockpit locker.

It also holds our drogue, life raft, bail out bags and much more.



I used to carry 11 Jerry cans and the bladder in that locker.

I always line the locker with oil absorb pads before putting any fuel
containers in the locker

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite









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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Cerillo
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption





Hi Tim,

We took our 2002 Super Maramu #353 Indecent to the Caribbean 2 years ago,
following the 1500 by about 10 days. We had 6 jerry cans of diesel that we
put in the port cockpit seat; we took the added precaution of placing the
jerry cans into trash compactor bags in case of any leakage (there wasn't
any). We encountered lumpy seas (about 10-15' rollers) crossing the gulf
stream on the tail of the 2009 nor'easter that smacked Norfolk, VA in
November.

We motorsailed most of the trip until about 2 days out of Puerto Rico, then
we were becalmed. The seas became a flat lake 48 hours after crossing the
gulf stream for about 36-42 hours after which we had about 20 knots of trade
winds. We decided to sail directly to Puerto Rico and fuel up. When we
reached Puerto del Rey Marina, on the extreme north east coast of PR, we
still had about 30 gallons of gas left in the tank. We averaged at about
1800 RPMs on the engine (heavier crossing the stream, lighter when we were
becalmed). We also ran our Onan 7 kilowatt genset about an hour a day.

We averaged about 1 to 2 gallons per hour of fuel consumption total. (When
we run our Yanmar engine 1800 RPM we burn 1 gallon per hour, at 2600-2900
RPM we burn 2 gallons per hour).

I hope this helps.

As an addendum..if you are in the US/BVI and need fuel/water/provisions, it
is worth the trip to PR (about 8 hours from St. John) as these items are so
very much cheaper (water is free) in PR.

Kim & George

SM #353 Indecent

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill
aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:30 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

One other thing. If you empty the life raft locker, you can fit 10 of the
18.9 liter jerry cans in it...two layers of five each. The life raft will go
in the cockpit lazzerette and is much easier to deploy from the lazzerette
(I think).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@...> wrote:

We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the
1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27
liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring
and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and
never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most
conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of
the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230
liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that
doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@>
wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our
Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar
4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the
orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've
recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear
from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Re: Going up the mast - Going up solo

Dave_Benjamin
 

Well, I will be in NYC next week, probably at an REI, so I will check it out there. 


I emailed my climber buddy who responded with the following:

"I've never run into that. REI has no liability for the (potential) misuse (in their eyes) of climbing equipment they sell.

Enter REI, go to climbing section, take harness off wall, but harness on. If you can't tighten it enough, it's too big. If you can't get it around your waist, it's too small. Basically they come in either 'kids' and 'everyone else' sizes, with some manufacturers making 'woman's' sizes as well."


Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi all,
   We changed the life raft locker to a fuel store years ago. Our Santorin takes 4 jerrycans on the bottom, then I had a "cover plate" made to lie on top, and then put another 3 on top, plus outboard fuel tank etc.
   The cover plate was made out of a plastic material used by boat builders as the basis, (before glassing) for battery boxes and internal partitions. It is light and strong, and fuel resistant. I had it trimmed to fit the locker, halfway down, and the corners reverse radius so you could get a hand in to lift it out.
   Most important - before putting fuel jugs in the locker, make sure the drain is sealed. On the Santorin the drain goes straight into the engine compartment. We never had a leak, but there will be fuel vapours in that locker, which are heavier than air........need I  say more!!
    We also had a discipline, on passage, of opening the locker every so often, on fairly calm days to allow airing - you need a bit of wind to blow into the locker.

Mike & Chris
Santorin 027



________________________________
From: Kim Cerillo <kcvabeach@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption


 
Hi Tim,

We took our 2002 Super Maramu #353 Indecent to the Caribbean 2 years ago,
following the 1500 by about 10 days. We had 6 jerry cans of diesel that we
put in the port cockpit seat; we took the added precaution of placing the
jerry cans into trash compactor bags in case of any leakage (there wasn't
any). We encountered lumpy seas (about 10-15' rollers) crossing the gulf
stream on the tail of the 2009 nor'easter that smacked Norfolk, VA in
November.

We motorsailed most of the trip until about 2 days out of Puerto Rico, then
we were becalmed. The seas became a flat lake 48 hours after crossing the
gulf stream for about 36-42 hours after which we had about 20 knots of trade
winds. We decided to sail directly to Puerto Rico and fuel up. When we
reached Puerto del Rey Marina, on the extreme north east coast of PR, we
still had about 30 gallons of gas left in the tank. We averaged at about
1800 RPMs on the engine (heavier crossing the stream, lighter when we were
becalmed). We also ran our Onan 7 kilowatt genset about an hour a day.

We averaged about 1 to 2 gallons per hour of fuel consumption total. (When
we run our Yanmar engine 1800 RPM we burn 1 gallon per hour, at 2600-2900
RPM we burn 2 gallons per hour).

I hope this helps.

As an addendum..if you are in the US/BVI and need fuel/water/provisions, it
is worth the trip to PR (about 8 hours from St. John) as these items are so
very much cheaper (water is free) in PR.

Kim & George

SM #353 Indecent

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:30 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

One other thing. If you empty the life raft locker, you can fit 10 of the
18.9 liter jerry cans in it...two layers of five each. The life raft will go
in the cockpit lazzerette and is much easier to deploy from the lazzerette
(I think).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@...> wrote:

We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the
1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27
liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring
and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and
never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most
conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of
the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230
liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that
doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@>
wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our
Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar
4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the
orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've
recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear
from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

Kim Cerillo <kcvabeach@...>
 

Hi Tim,



We took our 2002 Super Maramu #353 Indecent to the Caribbean 2 years ago,
following the 1500 by about 10 days. We had 6 jerry cans of diesel that we
put in the port cockpit seat; we took the added precaution of placing the
jerry cans into trash compactor bags in case of any leakage (there wasn't
any). We encountered lumpy seas (about 10-15' rollers) crossing the gulf
stream on the tail of the 2009 nor'easter that smacked Norfolk, VA in
November.

We motorsailed most of the trip until about 2 days out of Puerto Rico, then
we were becalmed. The seas became a flat lake 48 hours after crossing the
gulf stream for about 36-42 hours after which we had about 20 knots of trade
winds. We decided to sail directly to Puerto Rico and fuel up. When we
reached Puerto del Rey Marina, on the extreme north east coast of PR, we
still had about 30 gallons of gas left in the tank. We averaged at about
1800 RPMs on the engine (heavier crossing the stream, lighter when we were
becalmed). We also ran our Onan 7 kilowatt genset about an hour a day.

We averaged about 1 to 2 gallons per hour of fuel consumption total. (When
we run our Yanmar engine 1800 RPM we burn 1 gallon per hour, at 2600-2900
RPM we burn 2 gallons per hour).

I hope this helps.

As an addendum..if you are in the US/BVI and need fuel/water/provisions, it
is worth the trip to PR (about 8 hours from St. John) as these items are so
very much cheaper (water is free) in PR.



Kim & George

SM #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:30 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption





One other thing. If you empty the life raft locker, you can fit 10 of the
18.9 liter jerry cans in it...two layers of five each. The life raft will go
in the cockpit lazzerette and is much easier to deploy from the lazzerette
(I think).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@...> wrote:

We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the
1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27
liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring
and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and
never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most
conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of
the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230
liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that
doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@>
wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our
Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar
4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the
orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've
recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear
from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

Patrick McAneny
 

Tom, Good idea to get info from someone with an average based on long term
and various conditions.If you just round up to 1gph you will have a safe
margin for less than favorable conditions. Forward that to Bob he thought it
would be much greater. We have been in contact with Bill & Judy since before
they left and Bill records everything, so his info is gold.


Re: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption

Thomas Kleman <thomas.kleman@...>
 

Thanks Bill......actually, we took your advice on the fuel storage issue a few months ago and now carry 5 gerry cans in the port locker. My concern with putting another 5 on top of them would be weight in that locker and how to stack and brace everything so it wouldn't suffer in heavy seas.Any ideas ?


From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Fuel Consumption


 
We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the 1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27 liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230 liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@...> wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar 4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Frig/frezzer to replace the dishwasher

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Hello, For any one wishing to replace the dishwasher with a frig/ freezer, Engel, www.engel.usa.com has a new unit that may be perfect. It can be a freezer or a frig. it runs on 24 volts. It is a drop in unit with a removable lid. The motor/compressor can be attached or placed away from the unit. The model no. is mb40, it sells for $1000.00 complete. Draws about 2 amps, 3.5 cubic ft. Looks like an easy install. Their no. is 1-888-2729838 John "Moon Dog" SM 248


Re: Fuel Consumption

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

One other thing. If you empty the life raft locker, you can fit 10 of the 18.9 liter jerry cans in it...two layers of five each. The life raft will go in the cockpit lazzerette and is much easier to deploy from the lazzerette (I think).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the 1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27 liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230 liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@> wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar 4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Re: Fuel Consumption

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

We are 3/4 of the way around the world starting where you will end in the 1500.

Our overall consumption for the Yanmar 4jh3-hte has been 3.27 liters/engine hour. This includes all engine time which includes motoring and motor sailing. We motor with rpm generally at about 1,500 to 1,800 and never higher than 2,200. The Onan generator averages 1.5 liters per hour.

You should be able to motor at 1,800 rmp and get 5.5 to 6.5 knots in most conditions. I would assume that you will motor or motor sail about 25% of the time, or less. If so that is about 70 hours of motoring or about 230 liters of fuel used for the Yanmar. If you motor 50% of the time, that doubles to 460 liters used
for the Yanmar.

Hope this helps you

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <thomas.kleman@...> wrote:

Hello group- I'm planning on taking part in the Caribbean 1500 with our Super Maramu 2000 hull number 422. I'm looking for anyone who has a Yanmar 4jh3-hte and has calculated its fuel consumption. I found .88 gph in the orientation literature for the boat's first owner (not me), and I've recently calculated 1.2 gph on the water (at 1900 rpm). Would love to hear from those of you who have this engine. THX

Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
Super Maramu 2000 #422


Re: Going up the mast - Going up solo

Ralph Caruso
 

Wow! Your REI is decidedly different than the one I bought my harness from many years ago. They let me try it on and happily
took my money. I'd ask to speak to a manager. I have a few friends who are avid climbers. Let me know what part of the
country you live in and I'll see what they have to say.
I actually live in France, but get back to the US several times each year.  Most often to Pittsburgh, where the REI is on the South Side.  They have a climbing wall, and I would love to buy a harness there, especially if they would let me try it out on the climbing wall.  I would even buy the hardware (the GriGri sounds like exactly what I want) there and try it out.  But they get all uptight whenever I mention the "b" word there.  I thinnk that the lawyers and insurance carriers have advised them about selling to potential litigants...
 
I actually like going aloft - the view is wonderful, and as long as I am not rushed, I can take my time and get all the stuff fixed/maintained/inspected right.  I haven't dropped anything yet.  But my wife is terrified whenever I mention the possibility, and she has to really "center her wa" before she will haul me up.  I really hate having to do it twice in one day because of the stress it causes her - not me.
 
Well, I will be in NYC next week, probably at an REI, so I will check it out there. 

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Re: [Amel] Fuel Consumption

karkauai
 

I've done the trip South twice.  First time I carried 10 extra 25 liter gerry cans out to Bermuda then down.  Second time I carried 4 extra cans straight down from Norfolk to St. Thomas.  I still had over 1/4 tank both times when I got to St. Thomas, and ran the engine whenever my vmg was less than 3kts.  My old Volvo TMD22 78HP had a range of about 900 nautical miles on a tank of fuel (600 liters) and best mileage was at 1800-2000 rpms.  I now am the proud owner of Yvonne the Yanmar, 4JH4HTE 110HP, but haven't gotten a feel for the kind of mileage I'm getting now...I think it may actually be a little better than it was.

I'd take a couple Gerry cans for an emergency, but no more.
Kent
SM2K 243
KRISTY


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