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Hartman & Paderborn Safe Electronics Replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All:

I failed to renew the batteries in my Hartman & Paderborn Safe in a timely fashion and they caused damage to the circuit board which quit working. I was able to make contact with the company in Germany and they have a repair kit available that includes: 1) the circuit board, 2) a new keypad, 3) the solenoid that activates the un-locking mechanism, and 4) a new battery holder and cable. It was priced at about 69 Euros which I deemed very fairly priced for all four items and it can only be purchased as a complete kit. It is very simple to replace these items. If anyone needs replacement parts for this type of safe they are available by contacting :

daniel.sommer at hartmann-tresore.de (of course replace the "at with the ampersand @"

This gentleman was extremely helpful.

All the best,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona Amel SM #335


Holding Tank Outflow Valve Replacement/Failure Mode - SM

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I have posted a picture of the outflow valve/thru hull valve for the forward head aboard my Super Maramu. It is in the photos section under Amel SM - Holding Tank Issues.

This holding tank would not empty on the last few occasions and what we discovered is that a slow bypass leak of this valve allowed all the liquid to seep out while trapping the solids, which then became impacted (sorry for the graphic description). The only cure I can think of is to replace the valve. It appears that there is a glassed in area of the outflow pipe that has wrenchings on it. I am a little worried about torquing on the valve very much for fear of disturbing the potting/fiberglass of the outflow pipe and creating a leak. Anybody had experience with removing this valve? It appears there is a hose barb adapter at the top of the valve that accepts the interconnecting hose. Is that adapter salvageable?

Thanks for any input.

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Sapphire Bay Marina, St. Thomas


Dessalator Water Maker High Pressure Hose Specifications

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All:

Well, Liahona (Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335) is now 10.5 years old and holding up very well after 8 of those years being in the Caribbean. However, on my last trip I noticed that the outer rubber coating of one of the high pressure hoses on my water maker was starting to disintegrate. The "B" nut accepts a 3/4 ths inch wrench but may have been able to accept a 11/16 ths inch wrench and the threads are 18 threads per inch. I don't know for sure but I believe that the angle of the flare is 37 degrees (i.e. US standard) but I couldn't measure it for sure. Can anyone on the forum verify if these hoses (two of them (one from the high pressure pump to the membrane end caps and one from the membrane end caps to the pressure manifold on the control panel) are standard SAE -06 hoses with 37 degree flare?

Thanks,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona


Re: OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

Craig Briggs
 

George,

As Antal noted in their reply to you, the "conventional" (non-Amel, of
course!) in-mast outhaul arrangement has the outhaul starting at the
car, then thru a sheve on the clew, back thru a block on the car and
then thru a boom end sheve and forward to an outhaul winch. This will
indeed reduce the load on the outhaul car by (up to) 50%, as the sail
load will now be shared by the car and the outhaul winch, whereas the
"Amel way" puts the full load on the car and the winch only moves the
car aft.

I don't know if Amel engineered the boom-end block for that load - I
suspect it wouldn't be an issue though, as it does get most of the sail
load anyway. I would expect a (somewhat) greater load on the outhaul
winch when you trim it in.

Of course, without wholesale rigging change, this modification won't
work on the main with its continuous outhaul line.

Interesting that Antal noted Amel was using this "conventional" setup on
its new boats - let's hope all the Amel eccentricities didn't die with
the Captain ;-)

Craig Briggs, SN#68 - "SANGARIS", on the hard in Leros, GR


(No subject)

Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
 


Re: [Amel] Stainless Anchor Chain

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi John & Anne,

I did read your previous post and copied your idea of a shaft anode on
the chain next to the anchor. It may have helped, but I still have
suffered galloping corrosion of the chain. I will switch to a fresh
water chain rinse this winter to see if it helps. Having to berth in
Larnaca marina with my anchor out does not help.

All is otherwise well. Crusader has a new set of sails from North Sails
Israel made out of Radian material. They look good and initial
impressions are that she points better and is overall about half to
three quarters of a knot faster than before. But then I guess this will
usually be the case when sails are new. Radian is supposed to be more
resistant to stretching and the sails should keep their shape longer.
Time will tell.

I did send you an email early in the year when I heard you mention you
would be in the Aegean this year in the hope that we might meet up. I
usually sail about 3000 nms around the islands each summer where I meet
many Amels but alas not Bali hai. What plans for next year?

Season Greetings

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 06/12/2011 09:38, Anne and John Hollamby wrote:

Hello Ian, How are things in Cyprus? I did a post on this subject a
few months ago saying that I had my original chain hot dipped
galvanised in Barcelona three years ago for 180euros plus carriage and
it is still lke new.There are a couple of reasons why this might be
the case. I replaced the original SS CQR type anchor a long time ago
with a galvanised Bugel type that I bought in Turkey as it is a much
better anchor and stainless reacts to damage the galvanising on the
chain. I also have a couple of prop shaft anodes on the end of the chain.
Hope all is well with you, Anne and John, Bali hai, SM319

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:46 PM
Subject: [Amel] Stainless Anchor Chain

My galvanised anchor chain barely lasts two years before most of the
zinc has gone despite having a prop shaft anode on the chain next to the
stainless anchor. I am contemplating switching to a stainless chain.
Does anyone have experience good or bad of stainless? If you use it on
an Amel SM, was it necessary to increase the size from 10mm to 12mm? Did
it rust? Did it resist stretching? If good, which brand did you buy? Did
you discover any new problems?

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader




Re: [Amel] Re: Stainless Anchor Chain

Ian Shepherd
 

Hello Miles,

thank you and to all that sent input on this topic. It does seem a
minefield out there with very many conflicting reports as to the
suitability of stainless anchor chain. The following debate
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248688 reveals that the
minimum spec should be 316L or preferably 316 Ti. It also says that WASI
probably do not make their own chain. Mention is also made of leaving
the chain in a damp salty locker, which is mostly the case. Having a 160
lt/h water maker on board, I am tempted to switch the chain was to fresh
water.

It looks like you struck lucky with your chain. Unfortunately I am
neither in the US in the Caribbean and the shipping costs from Amel
would be quite prohibitive. New chain and a fresh water wash seem to be
the best alternative.

Regards

Ian

On 06/12/2011 15:53, Miles Bidwell wrote:

Hello Ian,

Not all stainless is created equal. For some time now (I think they still
do) Amel has been using a stainless chain and anchor made by WASI (German)
from a stainless alloy that includes titanium. I have had this for 6 years
and it is by far the best chain and the best anchor I have ever had. It
does not appear to rust. It is not soft or brittle, and it is much
stronger
than steel so 10 mm for the chain is fine. You will likely need a new
pulley for the windless. Lufrens makes three slightly different 10mm
pulleys for their windless. Amel in Hyeres found the correct one for me by
trial and error. The anchor and chain and swivel connection (also very
strong and expensive and required for the anchor work properly) are
sold as
the WASI anchoring system (you should be able to find it on the internet).
I don't know if this is available in the US. It is available in the
Caribbean.

Happy anchoring,

Miles (sm216 Ladybug) Newport, RI




Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Dave_Benjamin
 

Eric,

I use Google Docs quite a bit with my far flung team. It works really well. I can leave forms readily accessible and we can easily do collaborative documents. They can be set up to allow editing or not. In my opinion, google is the future and Yahoo is a relic of the past.

Cheers,
Dave

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

i was just looking at that.

google groups can be conbined with google docs.

Rather than an endless supply of posts documents can be added to in a collaborate manner

http://www.google.com/google-d-s/documents/


OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

syindecent <kcvabeach@...>
 

Antal, manufacture of the Outhaul mizzen car has responded to our inquiry with the following:

"The bottom line is that since the car was put on you boat a number of things have
been changed/upgraded. Antal confirmed that they never put a High Load shackle
in the car, no need for it as the WL of a standard shackle matched the WL of the car.

Antal also recommend that the clew of the sail is not directly attached to the car,
the car should have an attachment point for a line and a block mounted on it.
Most common set-up is that a line is dead-ended on the car, then goes up to the sail
where a clew block should be present, the line goes thru the clew block, then back
to the car where the line is ran thru the block, then the line goes aft to the end of the
boom where it is ran thru a sheave, then forward thru the boom (or on the outside)
the a winch for adjustment.
Believe that this is the set-up used on the current boats."

We have been offered a replacement for $142 + shipping. Which we have accepted.


Hatch Screens/Shades for Super Maramu 2K

syindecent <kcvabeach@...>
 

We have found a great company that manufactures a shade/screen combination that is a great solution. We have been using the Seafrost screens that sit atop the deck and are weighted down with mesh enclosed chains. After 6 months of night time use only, these screen disintegrated. The screen covering the aft master cabin was largely ineffective as it never seemed to sit correctly to be efficient.

Oceanair Shades & Screens sold by Ahoy Captain are a great fit and excellent value for the price. (about $222 for the aft master cabin hatch product number OAR-SFSS54B) We spoke with Vince who was very helpful in assisting us with measurement.

The website is http://www.ahoycaptain.com and the phone number is 888-464-5581.


Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

i was just looking at that.

google groups can be conbined with google docs.

Rather than an endless supply of posts documents can be added to in a collaborate manner

http://www.google.com/google-d-s/documents/

--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 11:21 AM
















 









Totally agree about preserving access to bandwidth limited members. Google Groups might be worth a look. It allows users to categorize and organize on their own as opposed to forcing a structure on anyone. Looks similar to what we're using now in that you can choose between doing everything with email or going into the site.



https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

that doesn't change in a forum.  It allows for message to be better organized, but the real problem is that a web forum does not allow for items to be email and SSB email for the cruisers.  Not sure there is a good solution but agree the built in document organization structure in yahoo groups is lacking.  Just to be clear Dave and I are strickly talking the tech side of the communication platform and not any members or the collective members.
--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:08 AM
 
Hi all the very best part of this group and site is that we all end up talking to each other and that in fact is our strength
Happy Holidays to ALL.
SM 209 in Annapolis for sale.
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Dec 12, 2011, at 14:42, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.
A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.
My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.
Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@> wrote:
We need a way to "tag" the files. Like itunes.
For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"
Â
Hello Judy and Bill,
We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish
the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to
quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.
Kim
SM2K #353 Indecent
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts
I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo
section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and
solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned
method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.
Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a
photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing
Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see
the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")
quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.
Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and
several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that
contain photos of mizzen car failure:
1.) Rigging Super Maramu
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li
st
2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis
t
3.) Kimberlite
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li
st
I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The
longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will
become.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus
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Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Dave_Benjamin
 

Totally agree about preserving access to bandwidth limited members. Google Groups might be worth a look. It allows users to categorize and organize on their own as opposed to forcing a structure on anyone. Looks similar to what we're using now in that you can choose between doing everything with email or going into the site.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

that doesn't change in a forum.  It allows for message to be better organized, but the real problem is that a web forum does not allow for items to be email and SSB email for the cruisers.  Not sure there is a good solution but agree the built in document organization structure in yahoo groups is lacking.  Just to be clear Dave and I are strickly talking the tech side of the communication platform and not any members or the collective members.

--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:08 AM
















 









Hi all the very best part of this group and site is that we all end up talking to each other and that in fact is our strength



Happy Holidays to ALL.



SM 209 in Annapolis for sale.



Richard Piller



Cell 603 767 5330



On Dec 12, 2011, at 14:42, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.
A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.
My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.
Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@> wrote:
We need a way to "tag" the files. Like itunes.
For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"
Â
Hello Judy and Bill,
We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish
the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to
quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.
Kim
SM2K #353 Indecent
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts
I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo
section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and
solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned
method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.
Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a
photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing
Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see
the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")
quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.
Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and
several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that
contain photos of mizzen car failure:
1.) Rigging Super Maramu
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li
st
2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis
t
3.) Kimberlite
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li
st
I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The
longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will
become.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus
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Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

that doesn't change in a forum.  It allows for message to be better organized, but the real problem is that a web forum does not allow for items to be email and SSB email for the cruisers.  Not sure there is a good solution but agree the built in document organization structure in yahoo groups is lacking.  Just to be clear Dave and I are strickly talking the tech side of the communication platform and not any members or the collective members.

--- On Tue, 12/13/11, Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:08 AM
















 









Hi all the very best part of this group and site is that we all end up talking to each other and that in fact is our strength



Happy Holidays to ALL.



SM 209 in Annapolis for sale.



Richard Piller



Cell 603 767 5330



On Dec 12, 2011, at 14:42, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:



Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand
________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!
Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.
A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.
My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.
Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:
We need a way to "tag" the files. Like itunes.
For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"
Â
Hello Judy and Bill,
We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish
the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to
quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.
Kim
SM2K #353 Indecent
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts
I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo
section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and
solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned
method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.
Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a
photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing
Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see
the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")
quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.
Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and
several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that
contain photos of mizzen car failure:
1.) Rigging Super Maramu
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li
st
2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis
t
3.) Kimberlite
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li
st
I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The
longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will
become.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all the very best part of this group and site is that we all end up talking to each other and that in fact is our strength

Happy Holidays to ALL.

SM 209 in Annapolis for sale.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Dec 12, 2011, at 14:42, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand


________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!




Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.

A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.

My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.

Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

We need a way to "tag" the files. Like itunes.

For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"












Â









Hello Judy and Bill,



We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish

the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to

quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.



Kim



SM2K #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard

SV BeBe

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts



I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo

section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and

solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned

method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.

Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a

photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing

Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see

the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")

quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.



Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and

several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that

contain photos of mizzen car failure:

1.) Rigging Super Maramu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li

st

2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis

t

3.) Kimberlite

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li

st



I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The

longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will

become.



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Cyprus































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Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Dave_Benjamin
 

Danny,

A true forum app doesn't "regiment people" to any great extent. It simply provides categories to allow people quicker and easier access to information on the topics they're interested in. I find the search feature in Yahoo to be lacking.

Here's an example of a forum:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand   


________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!



 

Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.

A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.

My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.

Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@> wrote:

We need a way to "tag" the files.  Like itunes.

For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"












 









Hello Judy and Bill,



We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish

the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to

quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.



Kim



SM2K #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard

SV BeBe

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts



I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo

section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and

solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned

method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.

Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a

photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing

Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see

the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")

quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.



Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and

several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that

contain photos of mizzen car failure:

1.) Rigging Super Maramu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li

st

2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis

t

3.) Kimberlite

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li

st



I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The

longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will

become.



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Cyprus































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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Bow Thruster Tool

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, if worms and gears need replacement engineering firms can manufacture most things, often at a lower cost than purchase because when parts have to be held in stock for many years the price reflects the cost of this long term stock holding.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand


________________________________
From: Kent <karkauai@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel Bow Thruster Tool



 

Happy holidays, everyone.

This is an update on the bow thruster raising/lowering mechanism. There is a loud grinding noise after 7 mos on the hard (it's always been quiet and silky-smooth). No one here addressed my ? in the first post about the raising/lowering gears. I asked Amel about it, and they asked for pics to identify the mechanism. Of course i had to get someone in Trinidad to do it for me and after some delay I got a message from Maud that said this unit is no longer manufactured, but that the worm drive could be greased. No instructions on that procedure, but since there are no grease nipples I assume I'm going to have to remove the unit and disassemble it.

Has any one had a similar problem with this mechanism?

I've asked Maud to send me any info on the unit, but am assuming it's probably not available. i've asked her what they recommend for a replacement in the event that this one is irreparable. Will let you know what she says.

Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY




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Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Dave, I think the forum works as well as any disparate group of people could be expected to. I find it good and can access any information I need and I am very happy with it. You simply can't regiment 600 people.
regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand   


________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!



 

Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.

A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.

My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.

Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

We need a way to "tag" the files.  Like itunes.

For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"












 









Hello Judy and Bill,



We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish

the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to

quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.



Kim



SM2K #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard

SV BeBe

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts



I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo

section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and

solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned

method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.

Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a

photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing

Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see

the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")

quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.



Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and

several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that

contain photos of mizzen car failure:

1.) Rigging Super Maramu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li

st

2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis

t

3.) Kimberlite

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li

st



I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The

longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will

become.



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Cyprus



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Re: Amel Bow Thruster Tool

karkauai
 

Happy holidays, everyone.

This is an update on the bow thruster raising/lowering mechanism. There is a loud grinding noise after 7 mos on the hard (it's always been quiet and silky-smooth). No one here addressed my ? in the first post about the raising/lowering gears. I asked Amel about it, and they asked for pics to identify the mechanism. Of course i had to get someone in Trinidad to do it for me and after some delay I got a message from Maud that said this unit is no longer manufactured, but that the worm drive could be greased. No instructions on that procedure, but since there are no grease nipples I assume I'm going to have to remove the unit and disassemble it.

Has any one had a similar problem with this mechanism?

I've asked Maud to send me any info on the unit, but am assuming it's probably not available. i've asked her what they recommend for a replacement in the event that this one is irreparable. Will let you know what she says.

Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

Dave_Benjamin
 

Realistically speaking, the best way to achieve these goals would be to move from Yahoo Groups to some type of web forum where we could have discussions categorized by a wide range of topics and photos tagged in similar manner.

A real forum could supplement or replace this list. I would be hesitant to move away from the Yahoo group completely because of those out cruising who rely on SSB or sat phone based email.

My company would be willing to assist with underwriting some of the costs associated with setting up a forum if the consensus of participants supports moving forward with such an idea. One thing I don't have a lot of is time, so someone else would need to do some of the research on forum software. We have server space on which it could be hosted.

Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

We need a way to "tag" the files.  Like itunes.

For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"












 









Hello Judy and Bill,



We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish

the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to

quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.



Kim



SM2K #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard

SV BeBe

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts



I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo

section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and

solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned

method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.

Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a

photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing

Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see

the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")

quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.



Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and

several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that

contain photos of mizzen car failure:

1.) Rigging Super Maramu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li

st

2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis

t

3.) Kimberlite

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li

st



I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The

longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will

become.



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Cyprus



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Re: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts - Better orgnization!

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

We need a way to "tag" the files.  Like itunes.

For example kenny chesney is organized on my ipod under country, boat music, kenny chesney and "friends of Mr. Buffet"

For instance any article or picture about outhaul problems would be tagged "outhaul".  Anytime you would search "outhaul" as a keyword or even as an available check box or text all documents and pictures would show up.

All modern blogs and modern document management systems (and google gmail) work like this. 

The problem is that we need a solution that allows people to post reply from an email application as its is pretty clear that most of the posts are coming directly from people email application rather than going to the actual amel yahoo group home page and clicking message ....post.

I was a member of a mercedes G wagen club that used to use yahoo groups.  They had this same problem but never really solved it.  The ended up going to a Bulletin Board Service.

It is a bit better but not perfect. (also you have to post from the webbrowser)

--- On Wed, 12/7/11, Kimberly Cerillo <kcvabeach@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Kimberly Cerillo <kcvabeach@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 1:23 PM
















 









Hello Judy and Bill,



We could not agree more..I tried to choose the most obvious way to publish

the photos so that anyone experiencing outhaul problems would be able to

quickly find the photos. I am game for any suggestions you may have.



Kim



SM2K #353 Indecent



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard

SV BeBe

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:15 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Photo uploads...some thoughts



I believe one of the more valuable sections of this website is the photo

section where we can all share photos of particular maintenance issues and

solutions. The problem is that we do not follow a logical or pre-planned

method of posting photos and Yahoo does not provide a search of photos.

Additionally, the only thing that the owner/moderator can do is delete a

photo or an album...he cannot move things around. And, lastly the only thing

Yahoo does for us is to sort the album based on Album name...most of you see

the problem this presents in naming an album incorrectly or with (")

quotation marks or other non-alpha characters.



Recently there has been several discussions of mizzen car failure and

several of us have posted photos. I know of three different albums that

contain photos of mizzen car failure:

1.) Rigging Super Maramu

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1650688738/pic/li

st

2.) OUTHAUL MIZZEN CAR FAILURE

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/183142043/pic/lis

t

3.) Kimberlite

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1943285105/pic/li

st



I do not offer a solution to this situation, but hope that someone can. The

longer this continues the more confusing and worthless this great asset will

become.



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Cyprus



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