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Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

John Clark
 

Hi Nick,
    sorry for addressing you as Nicole in my last.  Darn spell-check and lack of proofreading...   The "manual" I received with Annie was in French and was mostly an engineering description of the vessel.  I learned how to use the Amel bow thruster service kit from this Amel Owners Forum.   Do a search of "bow thruster" and I am sure you will find written instructions. 

That said,  I am sure Bill Rouse's Amel textbook has a detailed set of instructions on how to drop and retrieve the bow thruster or as Bill himself suggested check out Alex's website for Super Maramu Nikimat.

I hope, and I do expect, that you simply lost the propeller.  It is an easy repair.  Some complaint that the Amel bow thruster is too exposed and prone to damage, perhaps true....but it is also so robustly designed and easy to service that it rarely requires a professional. My SM is 30 years old and is running on her original bow thruster parts...with the obvious exception of the prop.  Change the oil regularly and it will last almost forever.   This is true of almost all Amels of the SM vintage. 
The previous owner of Annie (FMR Vent de Soliel) had her for 16 years and stressed to me that regular greasing was the key to the vessel's health.  After purchase I sailed her for two years all around the Caribbean.  The only issues I had were with parts that were not lubricated so I give a lot of credence to his advice.   Those that failed were for the most part "sealed" so I cannot blame the previous owner.   As recommended in the forum I have since modified some parts(furling gears) to accept grease via zirc fittings, and others I have placed on a maintenance schedule to disassemble and clean regularly...similar to winch maintenance.   

Getting a grasp of the key maintenance items on your vessel will save you a lot of time, headache and money.  Take a few days to get intimate with the forum archives....or invite Bill to France....


Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA....hopefully soon to be at sea again

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Hajo Hille
 

Randall
 
Here is the special link. You have to choose the material and the dimensions
 
Regards
 
Hajo
SM 150
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2019 um 09:53 Uhr
Von: "Randall Walker" <lladnarowen@...>
An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe

Thank you
Randall
AMEL 54 #56

Re: Ground strap in bilge

robin hutter
 

I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Hajo Hille
 

Randall,
look at this web side https://www.prokilo.de
 
Hope this helps
 
Hajo
SM 150
 
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2019 um 09:53 Uhr
Von: "Randall Walker" <lladnarowen@...>
An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe

Thank you
Randall
AMEL 54 #56

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Thomas Peacock
 

We’ve had pretty good luck with Flex-Seal. It’s a line of products that includes paint, filler, and glue. One year out we have a couple of chips, about to touch up. It is a little slippery when you stand on it, was thinking of adding a non-slip texture to the paint next time.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay, leaving for Martinique November 3

On Oct 19, 2019, at 6:27 PM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Hello everyone.  
I am planning on repainting the stern bumper for my SM 53.  I previously sanded it down and painted with polyurethane.  That lasted about a month!  
Admittedly, I didn't use a primer... and perhaps that is the main error.  

Who has repainted their bumper, and with what products?   I am considering an epoxy primer this time.  

Many Thanks. 

James
Soteria SM2000 347
Aruba

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

Prior to replacing our bumper, we used Plastidip spray paint. It looked good for about 3 years.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Performix-Plasti-Aerosol-Spray-Liquid/dp/B06XBDGVZ3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2A7JULXBS895G&keywords=flexi+paint&qid=1571567254&sprefix=flexi+pa%2Caps%2C323&sr=8-1

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu stern bumper painting

 

Hello everyone.  
I am planning on repainting the stern bumper for my SM 53.  I previously sanded it down and painted with polyurethane.  That lasted about a month!  
Admittedly, I didn't use a primer... and perhaps that is the main error.  

Who has repainted their bumper, and with what products?   I am considering an epoxy primer this time.  

Many Thanks. 

James
Soteria SM2000 347
Aruba

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Gerhard Mueller
 
Edited

Hi Elja

No, that is only a film of 40 Micrometer thickness.
He needs however a copper flat bar 3 millimeters thick.
Something like this:
https://www.bikar.com/copper-flat-bars.html
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Ground strap in bilge

Randall
 

I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe

Thank you
Randall
AMEL 54 #56

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Hi Alan
We used the interior from a flat fender and glued in place and shaped it. And putty before painting with a paint for rubber, that is a slightly elastic paint.

/Annsofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998.

Hälsningar
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


Skickat från min iPhone

20 okt. 2019 kl. 08:55 skrev Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

Slightly different issue, but still to do with the bumper.
Ours has a chunk out of one corner (thanks to the tin dinghy "friendly" welcome at Suwarrow).
Anyone have a good method and materials for repairing it ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Alan Leslie
 

Slightly different issue, but still to do with the bumper.
Ours has a chunk out of one corner (thanks to the tin dinghy "friendly" welcome at Suwarrow).
Anyone have a good method and materials for repairing it ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Fuel tank

Andy Croney
 

Hi Tom,

It is not such a daunting project as you may think.

We did remove and replace our tank ( we had one custom fabricated to the exact same dimensions , however with the addition of inspection ports , to replace the old one ) - we also included a simple fuel level indicator in the walk thru.

We have a 1980 Maramu, so no electrical panels above the tank.
All parties involved with the removal and Re-installation process praised Amel for having the forethought to enable the fuel tank to be removed in one piece from the boat, without too much work.

The only thing we needed to remove was the starboard hand rail on the companion way.

With three people we were able to manhandle the tank into the saloon , over the Nav desk and resting on the saloon table then into the cockpit via the companionway and onto the dock - I believe we might have needed to remove one stay to facilitate this ??

No need to remove anything further.
But plenty of heavy blankets , bible wrap , etc , as protection to the wood work , should be in place before removal.

We went the route of replacing the tank after all the effort of removal. It just seemed to make more sense and are happy to have a new clean stainless steel tank .

On another note , we have seen other Maramu’s who have replaced the tank with a shorter tank , giving them more space in the walk Thru albeit with lower tankage. Something you might want to consider.

We have photos somewhere of the procedure if you are interested.

Good luck !!

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin, #75

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

James Cromie
 

Great.  Thank you.  Is any primer necessary, or simply pile on the coats?

-James

On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

James,

Ditto on what Karen said. It is water base, flexible, and will need 3-5 coats. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 7:49 PM Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.



Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

 

James,

Ditto on what Karen said. It is water base, flexible, and will need 3-5 coats. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 7:49 PM Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Karen Smith
 

Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.

Super Maramu stern bumper painting

James Cromie
 

Hello everyone.  
I am planning on repainting the stern bumper for my SM 53.  I previously sanded it down and painted with polyurethane.  That lasted about a month!  
Admittedly, I didn't use a primer... and perhaps that is the main error.  

Who has repainted their bumper, and with what products?   I am considering an epoxy primer this time.  

Many Thanks. 

James
Soteria SM2000 347
Aruba

Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

amelforme
 

Nick, more than likely lost the prop as John has indicated. I might suggest you deeply consider engaging Bill Rouse to take his excellent training course that should be required for all purchasers of ‘new to them’ Amel brokerage sailboats. I have been selling Amel boats since 1981 and Bill’s course is absolutely the best value for the money you spend for the training than anything else you could do on your ‘new to you’ Amel SM 53. Seriously , your learning curve will be enhanced like having owned the boat for more than a year. His book shows all the maintainable systems and how to accomplish repairs to all the serviceable components. There are many other benefits to his program and I am sure that anyone who has taken the course would highly recommend it. No, he is not my Uncle and I get nothing for my recommendation. I urge all my Amel buyers tio take his course and I pay for a forth day of school out of my pocket to encourage them to take the course. You will never regret it. His email address is above in the cc box.

 

Good luck with your Amel!

 

All the Best, Joel     

 

            JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 3:30 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

 

Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471

Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

 

Nick,

The Bow thruster Propellor, Delrin (looks like nylon) Hub may be cut through by stainless steel pin.

It is likely that either you or someone before you damaged the hub by reversing the propellor from Port to Starboard without waiting 2 seconds. If this is done repeatedly, the pin will cut through the hub. I have never seen it cut all of the way around, but it is possible.
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If it is NOT the Hub, it is likely the Bow Thruster gears inside the Foot of the bow thruster, or something else. You'll need to remove the Bow Thruster and investigate. Alex on s/v NIKIMAT completed an overhaul and documented it very well here: http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 2:42 PM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Hi Nicole,
    Sounds like you lost the prop.  Same thing happened to me in St Thomas while turning 180 degrees in a tight marina.  

If you have the bow thruster kit and calm water you can remove the lower unit and replace the prop in about an hour.  Quicker after you figure out how to do it.  I replaced ours at anchor with no hiccups.  Always carry a spare...an Amel spare not the knock off copies.

If the water is clear you should be able to see the prop when it is deployed....

Regards, John

SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 3:30 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471

Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Nick,

Replacing the prop in water is an easy task; best done by a diver.

If you have the Amel spare, it came with a new hub.  Remove the old hub by unscrewing the nylon bolts.  Note the shear is still in good condition...

Replace with now propeller,

NOTE: on our boat we apply rigorously the 2 second rule between toggling P or S.  this ensures the prop is fully stopped before powering in the other direction.  Lost 2 props in the learning days.... no more since “the rule”.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, Fiji.


On 20 Oct 2019, at 08:52, Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi@...> wrote:

Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille

Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille