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Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

I realize that I was probably too conservative when I stated that "the steering rack normally lasts 20+ years." I think with very few exceptions, the rack has lasted closer to 30 years, than 20 years.

And, more importantly, I believe the smoother that autopilot shifts from port to starboard, the longer the rack will last. In the past 10-15 years most autopilots that I have seen have improved dramatically in the smoothing of this shift. For instance, when BeBe, SM387 was new, there was a Raymarine 400G course computer installed. I later installed the next generation of course computers, the Raymarine S3. There was a dramatic difference. Also, most 54's have Furuno autopilots with hydraulic steering. The hydraulic ram's shift is much smoother than the Raymarine electric motor drives. It is likely that 54s with Furuno hydraulic steering may never have the issue shown in the photo below. I believe that this extraordinary mid-rack wear is cause by the abrupt shift we find from older autopilots.
The rack below is worn in the center.

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Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

I am not sure, but I believe there is a good chance they are the same. check with SAV"at"Amel.fr

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 2:17 PM rob dillmann <rob.dillmann@...> wrote:
Dear Bill,

Are these cables the same as those used in an Amel Mango? 

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann 
Westwind Mango 43

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 13 nov. 2019 om 12:09 heeft CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> het volgende geschreven:

All SN, SM & 54 owners:

If you recall, one owner attempted to order steering rack and/or cable parts from Amel and was told the parts were no longer available. As soon as I read this, I got in touch with Amel, who told me Ultraflex, the Italian rack and cable manufacturer, abruptly and without notice stopped production of these parts. I asked Amel for some help and they said that they were working on a solution. I continued to follow-up with Uflex, the US distributor for Ultraflex, Italy. I asked Uflex USA to get involved with Ultraflex and push them for a solution. I promised all of you that I would post any results here.

The following is from Uflex USA. If you need/want replacement steering rack or cable parts, you should probably order them now from SAV"at"Amel.fr. It seems as though the steering rack normally lasts 20+ years. Cables usually last longer. Without replacement parts you will be forced to install a major steering change.
Email message to me from Uflex USA:
Ultraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. 
Uflex USA, Inc.

6442 Parkland Drive

Sarasota, FL 34243

www.uflexusa.com

--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: 3-D printing of furler motor parts

Alan Leslie
 

Sav@... have a smaller inner diameter ring to fit that new motor.
I posted info on it some time ago
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

rob dillmann
 

Dear Bill,

Are these cables the same as those used in an Amel Mango? 

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann 
Westwind Mango 43

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 13 nov. 2019 om 12:09 heeft CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> het volgende geschreven:

All SN, SM & 54 owners:

If you recall, one owner attempted to order steering rack and/or cable parts from Amel and was told the parts were no longer available. As soon as I read this, I got in touch with Amel, who told me Ultraflex, the Italian rack and cable manufacturer, abruptly and without notice stopped production of these parts. I asked Amel for some help and they said that they were working on a solution. I continued to follow-up with Uflex, the US distributor for Ultraflex, Italy. I asked Uflex USA to get involved with Ultraflex and push them for a solution. I promised all of you that I would post any results here.

The following is from Uflex USA. If you need/want replacement steering rack or cable parts, you should probably order them now from SAV"at"Amel.fr. It seems as though the steering rack normally lasts 20+ years. Cables usually last longer. Without replacement parts you will be forced to install a major steering change.
Email message to me from Uflex USA:
Ultraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. 
Uflex USA, Inc.

6442 Parkland Drive

Sarasota, FL 34243

www.uflexusa.com

--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

Understood.

Thanks,
Mark
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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

karkauai
 

Thank you for doing this leg work Bill.

My steering functions, feels, and sounds fine.  Kristy is 19 years old and we are embarking on a planned Caribbean, S Pacific and Mediterranean cruise in a few weeks.
If you were in my shoes, would you order these spares now?  Would you carry them with you?

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

Mark,

I believe that the US distributor probably misstated what Ultraflex is doing, but since I am not speaking directly to Ultraflex, I cannot know for sure. Since Thierry BILLARD, manager of SAV at Amel is in discussions with Ultraflex, I feel it is improper for me to get directly involved. The answer to your question will come from an owner ordering the racks from Amel. I am sure we will know more soon.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: 3-D printing of furler motor parts

karkauai
 

Hi Tom,
I had new mounting discs made from 3/4” delrin by a machinist.  They were about $125 US each plus material.  I had to buy a 1 ft square of 3/4” delrin.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

My old furler motor (original) called it quits. While It will be rebuilt, tested, and become a spare, my spare furling motor (bought from Amel years ago) is slightly different in that the old motor's upper jacket which holds the white vinyl motor cover is slightly too big. It doesnt fit snugly on the new motor, which came without one. I measured what I need and have given the task to Ronan (Kent's 3-D printing vendor). We will see how this goes. Price was quoted as about $25 so why not ?

I'm also interested in making the upper and lower gear box mounting discs (that hold it in the mast).

I will supply pics in the event of success or remain completely silent if this ends up being a fools errand. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

Just to clarify, Ultraflex is committing to make one last batch of cables ONLY?  What about the rack and pinion gears?  From reading posts on steering failures on this forum it seems that the racks are prone to failure - even if their failure is preceded, and potentially caused by, cable failures. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


3-D printing of furler motor parts

Thomas Kleman
 

My old furler motor (original) called it quits. While It will be rebuilt, tested, and become a spare, my spare furling motor (bought from Amel years ago) is slightly different in that the old motor's upper jacket which holds the white vinyl motor cover is slightly too big. It doesnt fit snugly on the new motor, which came without one. I measured what I need and have given the task to Ronan (Kent's 3-D printing vendor). We will see how this goes. Price was quoted as about $25 so why not ?

I'm also interested in making the upper and lower gear box mounting discs (that hold it in the mast).

I will supply pics in the event of success or remain completely silent if this ends up being a fools errand. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM 2K 422


Sailing US to Europe 2020

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hello to the group,
I crossed the atlantic via Cape Verde to Martinique this year, sailed up to Boston and now to Fort Lauderdale.
I plan to sail back to europe in April 2020. If an Amel owner would like to join me - please write PM to webercardio at gmail dot com.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Fort Lauderdale


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Thanks Bill for your service

Best Elja

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Keel bolt cover

 

That bolt stabilizes the C-Drive from torque. Below is a snip from my Amel Book, showing the bolt and its rubber bushing. It should be sealed with a flexible removable sealer. Black silicone RTV is one such material. If the aft part of the C-Drive can be moved to either side by 10mm, or more, the C-Drive Foot Rubber Bushing needs to be replaced. The rubber bushing replacement part is a piece of heavy duty 1” or 25mm hose. Recommendation is side to side movement of 5mm or less. The replacement procedure is fairly straight forward, generally easy, and in my Amel Book.

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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
There is a keel bolt near the C drive that is covered in a thick black rubber sealant.  The sealant does not appear to be silicone based.  I have a tear in that black rubber cover, revealing the head of the bolt.  What product should be used to re-seal this bolt?  There are a number of “liquid rubber” products on the market.

 
Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM419


Re: Important Update Re: No steering parts, rack & pinion, cables, from Amel

 

All SN, SM & 54 owners:

If you recall, one owner attempted to order steering rack and/or cable parts from Amel and was told the parts were no longer available. As soon as I read this, I got in touch with Amel, who told me Ultraflex, the Italian rack and cable manufacturer, abruptly and without notice stopped production of these parts. I asked Amel for some help and they said that they were working on a solution. I continued to follow-up with Uflex, the US distributor for Ultraflex, Italy. I asked Uflex USA to get involved with Ultraflex and push them for a solution. I promised all of you that I would post any results here.

The following is from Uflex USA. If you need/want replacement steering rack or cable parts, you should probably order them now from SAV"at"Amel.fr. It seems as though the steering rack normally lasts 20+ years. Cables usually last longer. Without replacement parts you will be forced to install a major steering change.
Email message to me from Uflex USA:
Ultraflex, Italy is in contact with Chantier Amel in France, apparently they will be able to supply them a last batch of cables. 
Uflex USA, Inc.

6442 Parkland Drive

Sarasota, FL 34243

www.uflexusa.com

--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Keel bolt cover

Mark Pitt
 

There is a keel bolt near the C drive that is covered in a thick black rubber sealant.  The sealant does not appear to be silicone based.  I have a tear in that black rubber cover, revealing the head of the bolt.  What product should be used to re-seal this bolt?  There are a number of “liquid rubber” products on the market.

 
Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM419


Re: Lens-shaped bolt nuts

John Clark
 

Excellent, Thank you Gerhard.  I too have several places in which these nuts are utilized....and have zero spares.

John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 5:46 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I don't know if Amel has used these lens-shaped bolt nuts for their other or later boats but I have them found at several places in my Sharki.
After searching for a long time I have found them at this seller and they sell them in small quantities also: See attachment.

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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Down wind pole corrosion damage

John Clark
 

Hi Thomas,
   Good catch!    I noticed Annie's short poles collect water inside.   I have toyed with the idea of drilling a small drain hole to let it drain.     Letting them stand upright in the sun for a week or so drains them but I can't always do that.  (Admittedly sometimes just lazy and leave them out...)
         John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:54 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
A small crack emerged from under the black cover on the inner down wind pole. I drilled out the cover's retaining rivets and saw the full damage. Visiting the local welder to discuss options. Glad I found this prior to February's Panama City to Marquesas passage. 

Tom and Kirstin 
SM2K 422
SV L'ORIENT


Re: Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

John Clark
 

Hi Duane,
  I had a similar experience right after I purchased Anne,  first indication of issue with the impeller was as you said a different sound. We had no overheat alarms just a much more pronounced exhaust sound.   This was with the TMD-22.     Lesson for all is to listen to your vessel...she will tell you is something isn't right.
                                
                            John
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 8:58 AM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
We had an overheat condition on our engine (Yanmar 4JH3-HTE) and the alarm light or buzzer did not sound.  I checked the parts manual and the temperature sensor is a 100 oC sensor.  I noticed the gauge was over 80 but close to 100 oC and quickly anchored and shut down the engine.  

My concern is that the gauge read close to 100 oC and now I'm concerned about the sensor.  The lights and buzzer on the panel test ok.  Is there a way to test the sensor?

Just for background, the boat had been hauled out in Grenada for three months.  When we put the boat back in the water the engine sounded not quite normal and so I was watching the gauges closely.  It turned out that the impeller had shed all of the vanes!  I had checked the water in the exhaust when we first started up and it appeared normal so the impeller must have died after that.  Luckily the vanes were all in the hose between the water pump to the turbocharger cooler.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

I am a little confused (normal for me). Is the engine fixed? Did you resolve the overheat issue or are you still experiencing hot temperatures at higher RPMs?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:59 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar 4jh3-hte overheat

 

We had an overheat condition on our engine (Yanmar 4JH3-HTE) and the alarm light or buzzer did not sound.  I checked the parts manual and the temperature sensor is a 100 oC sensor.  I noticed the gauge was over 80 but close to 100 oC and quickly anchored and shut down the engine.  

My concern is that the gauge read close to 100 oC and now I'm concerned about the sensor.  The lights and buzzer on the panel test ok.  Is there a way to test the sensor?

Just for background, the boat had been hauled out in Grenada for three months.  When we put the boat back in the water the engine sounded not quite normal and so I was watching the gauges closely.  It turned out that the impeller had shed all of the vanes!  I had checked the water in the exhaust when we first started up and it appeared normal so the impeller must have died after that.  Luckily the vanes were all in the hose between the water pump to the turbocharger cooler.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Deck Repairs to Amel Mango

Charles Bell
 

Hello Ian,

We are resurfacing the decks of Mango #29 right now.

We sanded off the loose "molded-teak" and have sealed with a 2-part high-build sealant. Then we will top with some sort of a surface treatment / non-slip. 

The contractor we are using has done several boats with the same technique. 

I will dig up more information about the steps and materials we are using. Feel free to reach out to me if I don't get back to you quickly enough.


Charles