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Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Jamie Wendell
 

Having experienced my D3-110 failure firsthand, my theory was that the water infiltration into the cylinders was a gradual thing and was likely the result of excessive back pressure through the exhaust. I cannot believe that the flapper would have let a lot of water into the muffler while sailing or motoring, given the high loop above the muffler. If the engine were "getting weak" so to speak or there were any sort of water buildup at the muffler, I have to assume that my failure was the result of water sloshing back up into the engine upstream of the muffler. There is a valve at the bottom of the muffler, and I now periodically drain it just to be sure.
My theory about too much back pressure is also the reason I increased the size of the hose between the muffler and the flap, and also why I significantly shortened the hose vs. the original long loop.
Certainly, Amel's recommendation to run the engine routinely is a good one regardless of the configuration.
I am now a happy camper with my new D3-150.
Jamie
Phantom A54


Re: Replacement Corian for SM2K dishwasher lid

Symphony
 

Kent, thanks for the photos measuring the radius corner.
Now I know what to do with all my old navigation spreaders!

all kidding aside, thanks for sharing the photos and for all your posts

Richard
Vicem 58
New Haven, CT


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

James Alton
 

Nick,

   In 3 years of sailing I have checked my muffler a few times after heavy weather to see if it had excess water in it and so far the level has been about the same, filling the bottom 30% of the can.  The exhaust hose on my boat loops all of the way up to the bottom of the deck so is pretty high above the waterline but does not have a check valve/flap in the system.  I have often wondered if it might be possible to install a water level sensor of some sort inside of what serves as the water lift muffler on my boat activate an alarm?  Has anyone else tried this?   Perhaps that could also be a possibility on your A54?   Draining the muffler certainly would be effective so long as one remembered to do it!  Once the water is removed you of course would then get exhaust into the boat if the drain port was left open so something to consider.  I agree an interesting thread.

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jan 10, 2020, at 6:06 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


This is an interesting thread. I am not sure why I hate running the engine at sea unnecessarily, but I do. 

On the 54 the exhaust out from the Vetus muffler is a large rubber hose that rises up to near the level of the cockpit floor, before flowing down to the hull skin fitting. In my opinion this is a good installation and unlikely to allow water to be forced into the engine especially considering the additional flap that will prevent waves from being forced in the exhaust line.

I believe that so long as the boat is actually sailing there will be no problem as the water will be sucked out of the pipework from the flow of water along the hull. This is due to the Bernoulli Principle, (a bit like the Ventouri effect) which is why a self bailing slot in the bottom of a sailing dinghy draws the water out whilst sailing but when stationary lets it in.

I can see that whilst hove to and more or less stationary there could indeed be a situation whereby water works its way into the muffler and then gradually fills up the exhaust outlet between the engine and the muffler. This is the one time when we really do not want to be worried about such a situation.

So in conclusion we need to be either mindful of this potential situation and run the engine or come up with something else.

I like Leslie’s suggestion of running a hose from the muffler drain point to the bilge. This would drain any water that accumulates in the muffler. It would be easy to install and one could test it and see just how much comes in….does anyone see a problem with this idea?

Nick

AML 54-019
Ashore Kilada Greece


On 10 Jan 2020, at 09:35, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

The flap valve is in the exhaust outlet fitting /// you can see it if you swim around the port side, or when you're hauled out.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Brent Cameron
 

Couldn’t that also create the opportunity for Carbon Monoxide to collect in the engine room?  (And potentially backflip into the cabin through the (usually dry) drains from the showers and lockers (assuming the sinks all have traps). 

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

ngtnewington Newington
 


This is an interesting thread. I am not sure why I hate running the engine at sea unnecessarily, but I do. 

On the 54 the exhaust out from the Vetus muffler is a large rubber hose that rises up to near the level of the cockpit floor, before flowing down to the hull skin fitting. In my opinion this is a good installation and unlikely to allow water to be forced into the engine especially considering the additional flap that will prevent waves from being forced in the exhaust line.

I believe that so long as the boat is actually sailing there will be no problem as the water will be sucked out of the pipework from the flow of water along the hull. This is due to the Bernoulli Principle, (a bit like the Ventouri effect) which is why a self bailing slot in the bottom of a sailing dinghy draws the water out whilst sailing but when stationary lets it in.

I can see that whilst hove to and more or less stationary there could indeed be a situation whereby water works its way into the muffler and then gradually fills up the exhaust outlet between the engine and the muffler. This is the one time when we really do not want to be worried about such a situation.

So in conclusion we need to be either mindful of this potential situation and run the engine or come up with something else.

I like Leslie’s suggestion of running a hose from the muffler drain point to the bilge. This would drain any water that accumulates in the muffler. It would be easy to install and one could test it and see just how much comes in….does anyone see a problem with this idea?

Nick

AML 54-019
Ashore Kilada Greece


On 10 Jan 2020, at 09:35, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

The flap valve is in the exhaust outlet fitting /// you can see it if you swim around the port side, or when you're hauled out.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Alan Leslie
 

The flap valve is in the exhaust outlet fitting /// you can see it if you swim around the port side, or when you're hauled out.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


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JOHN HAYES
 


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent, We have the same. Identical including the tread on top.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 10 January 2020 at 03:23 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Kristy (SM243) has a stainless steel mixing "box" instead of a Vetus muffler.  Pic attached.  Is there a flap valve here as well?    If not, can one be added to the exhaust hose?  If that's a bad idea, should I be getting a muffler?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Palm Beach FL heading to Bahamas and S with the next weather window. 
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Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Kent,

I have an identical SS mixing box.  Last year I rebuilt the unit and found NO flap valve inside.

However, I do not understand why everyone is intent on modifying an effective system (running the engine 1 or 2 times par day) by adding complication to the system....

Kind regards everyone

Jean-Pierre, Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua, NZ




On 10 Jan 2020, at 03:23, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Kristy (SM243) has a stainless steel mixing "box" instead of a Vetus muffler.  Pic attached.  Is there a flap valve here as well?    If not, can one be added to the exhaust hose?  If that's a bad idea, should I be getting a muffler?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Palm Beach FL heading to Bahamas and S with the next weather window. 
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Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Scott,

This same suggestion is written in the SM’s owner’s manual.

Another cruiser, marine engineer, seized his engine while on passage Tonga to N.Minerva island.  Luckily, we freed the engine and with the extra oil carried on my old girl, managed to get the engine working correctly and after informing him of the Amel procedure, he decided to run his engine every day for 30 minutes.

It is preventive in nature

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Opua, NZ




On 7 Jan 2020, at 15:22, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Given the spate of failed Volvo D3-110 engines and more than a few with seawater found in the cylinders, I am inclined to believe that there is a design weakness in the exhaust system on A54s. I do not know if the exhaust system is significantly different on the SM and other prior models but it does seem we only hear of flooded A54 engines.

In any event, I read the following in my manual and at least two other A54 owners had never heard this advice:

"You must run the main engine everyday of sailing for 15 or 20 minutes (in 1 or 2 times) to drain the exhaust circuit from the seawater the waves that fill in it."

Am I the only one who does this?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
<Engine Warning Volvo D3-110.pdf>


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Jamie Wendell
 

Yep, I ran the engine quite extensively on my "maiden voyage" to Annapolis. Ran fine for the trip, but after a week of sitting at the dock, the engine would not start. The rest is history.
And yes, I worked the outlet to prevent ANY possible ingress (both internal and external). No problems since and I left the generator as original. With the water/gas separator on the genset I have never had an issue.
Safe travels and enjoy New Zealand. Stay away from Australia for now though.
Jamie


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

karkauai
 

Kristy (SM243) has a stainless steel mixing "box" instead of a Vetus muffler.  Pic attached.  Is there a flap valve here as well?    If not, can one be added to the exhaust hose?  If that's a bad idea, should I be getting a muffler?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Palm Beach FL heading to Bahamas and S with the next weather window. 

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Re: Replacement Corian for SM2K dishwasher lid

karkauai
 

Hi Drew,
Here are some pics of how I measured. It appears to be a 30mm radius when I use the calipers.



On Jan 7, 2020 10:16 PM, Drew Gaffney <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

Last season, the Aurora pattern Corian on the dishwasher lid broke.  I've found someone who can make a replacement.  I have the dimensions (43.7cm square) with screw holes centered 3.3cm from each corner.  Because the Corian in mounted in a lipped space, I need radius of the curve on the 4 corners.  If someone is on their SM2K, I'd very much appreciate the measurement.   Two lines perpendicular to the edge at the point where the curved corner begins on each side.  The distance from the edge to the point where the two lines intersect gives the "radius" of the curved corners and with that a new "cover" can be made.
Related, the removable cover for the port galley counter was broken several years ago.  We bought a matching "Corian" lid sold as a cutting board with a slot for a handle made a perfect replacement.
Thank you.
Drew Gaffney
SV Revelation SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia



Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hey Jamie, good to hear from you. Did you run the engine on your maiden passage from the Caribbean to the Chesapeake? Not assigning blame, just curious. 

Did you decide to rework the exhaust to prevent future water ingress problems with the muffler system?

We are in Colombia now and next (Northern) winter we'll be in New Zealand, assuming the boat agrees with our plans.
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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


TMD22A heat exchanger filler cap

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I have the wrong antifreeze filler cap on my Volvo Penta TMD 22-A (for the last 5 years).  The correct Volvo part number is 861610, but I cannot get that in St. Lucia.  I can buy a compatible one locally, but I need to know the pressure rating in order to choose the correct one from a radiator shop.

So could someone please post the information and numbers written on their filler cap?

That might solve my problem, and the mechanic will do a pressure test on the heat exchanger after a new cap is fitted.

Thanks

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Rodney Bay, St. Lucia.


Re: Windsreen replacement

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi Paul. Please let us know how it turns out. That is a good price. We will be down that way at the end of the season. 
Best regards #
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:05 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Arno. However, I now have a solution: Driftwood in Clarke Court, Grenada, are doing it for USD480.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: 07 January 2020 13:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Windsreen replacement

 

Hi Paul,

Last spring I got an offer to have them replaced for a little over 900 euro by:

SARL caraibe menuiserie le Carénage

97290 LE MARIN

Tél : 0596537663

Tél portable : 0696257604

Fax : 0596537663

Site web :

Email : serge@...

I was not able to get to Martinique at that time so I have no idea about quality, etc.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Windsreen replacement

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks Arno. However, I now have a solution: Driftwood in Clarke Court, Grenada, are doing it for USD480.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: 07 January 2020 13:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Windsreen replacement

 

Hi Paul,

Last spring I got an offer to have them replaced for a little over 900 euro by:

SARL caraibe menuiserie le Carénage

97290 LE MARIN

Tél : 0596537663

Tél portable : 0696257604

Fax : 0596537663

Site web :

Email : serge@...

I was not able to get to Martinique at that time so I have no idea about quality, etc.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

When we crossed the Atlantic we ran the genset four hours a day and it was always rolling. Did not experience any problems.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 07 January 2020 12:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

 

Fantastic information from Olivier.  Thank you. I presume the flap is a specific Amel part or can we buy it elsewhere? I am totally for supporting Amel but the shipping costs from France get a bit high for a small part. :)

On another note, what is the general guideline for using the Volvo D3-110 and the Onan when the boat is heeled over? I do recall reading the Onan spec that it shouldn't be used at more than 10 degrees constant with short bursts to 20degrees. I can definitely hear a change in genset note when the boat is rolling and it is not related to the exhaust outlet going underwater. 

Back in my car racing days, I was very aware of oil starvation when the oil sloshes to the side of the oil sump while cornering. The solution there was either baffles (helps) or a dry sump. Is this a concern with our marine engines/genset?

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Too many VHF aerials?

marklesparkle59
 

Here Are the photos of my mizzen.



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Date: 08/01/2020 17:40 (GMT+00:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Too many VHF aerials?

Thank you for all your replies. My plan is to make sure I know what I have and what I need. A photo of the top of the mizzen is attached, this shows what is labelled as 1. Emergency VHF on top, 
 2. DSC, curved and horizontal, 3. TV,
4.RADAR. 
From the Forum sounds like the Curved horizontal aerial labelled DSC is not required or possibly wrongly labelled. The Emergency could be replaced with one that came with the AIS, which could be used for the radio if needed. 
Have I missed anything? Thanks again.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI 96




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Re: Too many VHF aerials?

marklesparkle59
 

Thank you for all your replies. My plan is to make sure I know what I have and what I need. A photo of the top of the mizzen is attached, this shows what is labelled as 1. Emergency VHF on top, 
 2. DSC, curved and horizontal, 3. TV,
4.RADAR. 
From the Forum sounds like the Curved horizontal aerial labelled DSC is not required or possibly wrongly labelled. The Emergency could be replaced with one that came with the AIS, which could be used for the radio if needed. 
Have I missed anything? Thanks again.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI 96




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