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Re: Help! SM deck stripes

Ian Townsend
 

We used Brightside Hatteras Off White and a flattening agent. Very close match.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Sep 1, 2019, at 6:27 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Chuck,

He's right. I had an issue with mixing Brightside to brown.

If he is talking about the paint supply shop in Coral Cove Marina, I trust the opinion of the owner of that shop. We had him mix 1 part cream color for the faux caulking. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 10:48 PM Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:
Hi All,
This is a cut and paste from a friend who was going to paint my stripes on my SM in Trinidad. 
"went to budget marine but don't have brown in paint in Interlux Brightside went to the paint matcher but he said that brand of paint can't be match,he suggested another one that uses a primer,so unless you can get a one part paint from overseas and send it to me,the only option down here is a two part paint which is double the labor, budget say they only have, blue,black, white and gray in that brand of paint, wait to hear from you"
I thought I read that someone used Brightside on their decks which lasted a while. Anywho I'm in the US now till Oct. Any idea on how to get brown paint to Trinidad. Or other options. Thx for your time. 
Chuck 
Joy 388

 

Re: Help! SM deck stripes

 

Chuck,

He's right. I had an issue with mixing Brightside to brown.

If he is talking about the paint supply shop in Coral Cove Marina, I trust the opinion of the owner of that shop. We had him mix 1 part cream color for the faux caulking. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 10:48 PM Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:
Hi All,
This is a cut and paste from a friend who was going to paint my stripes on my SM in Trinidad. 
"went to budget marine but don't have brown in paint in Interlux Brightside went to the paint matcher but he said that brand of paint can't be match,he suggested another one that uses a primer,so unless you can get a one part paint from overseas and send it to me,the only option down here is a two part paint which is double the labor, budget say they only have, blue,black, white and gray in that brand of paint, wait to hear from you"
I thought I read that someone used Brightside on their decks which lasted a while. Anywho I'm in the US now till Oct. Any idea on how to get brown paint to Trinidad. Or other options. Thx for your time. 
Chuck 
Joy 388

 

Help! SM deck stripes

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
This is a cut and paste from a friend who was going to paint my stripes on my SM in Trinidad. 
"went to budget marine but don't have brown in paint in Interlux Brightside went to the paint matcher but he said that brand of paint can't be match,he suggested another one that uses a primer,so unless you can get a one part paint from overseas and send it to me,the only option down here is a two part paint which is double the labor, budget say they only have, blue,black, white and gray in that brand of paint, wait to hear from you"
I thought I read that someone used Brightside on their decks which lasted a while. Anywho I'm in the US now till Oct. Any idea on how to get brown paint to Trinidad. Or other options. Thx for your time. 
Chuck 
Joy 388

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

Mike Ondra
 

We just replaced the prop shaft seal with the 29mm lip seal. Aletes was on the hard and the bow thruster was dipping oil the next day. Thinking we may have damaged the lip seal during installation, we replaced it with our spare 29 mm seal. Oil was leaking at the lip seal within minutes of being added. Could it be that the slightly smaller opening diameter of the lip seal is causing a distortion that defeats its effectiveness? Will try a 30 mm as see if that works. Have others had success with 29mm seals?
Mike
Aletes SM#240

Re: Emptying the ( waste tank) on a 1977 meltem53

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Three miles off shore. 😎

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Sorry guys, just read that last post and the 2nd para should read...

The problem was simply that the seawater pump is not commanded to turn on IF the ambient temp is below the set point.

I couldn’t find a way to edit my post?

cheers
Dean

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Mark, Bill, Matt & Danny,

Thanks for posting. 

It turned out that the problem I was having was nothing to do with the capacitor, corrosion or the rotor sticking. The clue was in the lack of drive voltage to the pump.  My capacitor is good, there is no corrosion and the rotor turns freely.

The problem was simply that the seawater pump is not commanded to turn on until the ambient temp is below the set point.  In warm climates this usually happens immediately, but if the air temp is 15degrees as it is here, the pump is not commanded to turn on because it’s simply not required by the system.

Bill, that’s probably good info for your book as I’m sure this happens to others, but not many.  I only needed the pump to run for pushing antifreeze around the lines.  I now know how to do that, by using a heat gun on the thermostat!

Interestingly I do have the plastic capacitor, but have had no issues with it, even although the AC has been used a lot since the boat was new. The previous owner didn’t take the boat out very often, but he did like to hang out in the marina in the Italian summer with the AC running!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

ps Danny, I don’t know that crc 66 product, but I’ll keep an eye open.  I do use CorrosionX and of course WD40 is as ubiquitous as duct tape :-)
As the old saying goes ...
If it moves when it shouldn’t -> Duct Tape
if it should move but doesn’t -> WD40

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick,
I’ll try that screwdriver method next year, although I found that just spinning it a few times before starting up the system also seems to work.

We also used the AC a lot in Greece. Great!

That condensation problem is very much present for us here in Scotland too.  I’m going to run a dehumidifier over winter on the hard stand.

Lifting out on Monday.

Cheers
Dean


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Mark Erdos
 

Dean,

 

I don’t think you should turn the screwdriver with power to the pump. All you are trying to do with the screwdriver is turn the pump a couple of rotations to free the bronze impeller.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of SY STELLA
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

 

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Nick and Dean, i will repeat again my mantra. Regularly spray crc 66 marine in and around the motor and you are unlikely to have the problem again. Likewise for all pumps, alternators, starter motors and associated electrical connections. If crc 66 marine is not available WD 40 is an alternative. There are those who advocate corrosion x for this  and i am sure it is a fine product and I use it myself in some applications but it leaves a greasy film which after multiole applications becomes quite unsightly and since the crc has worked for me for many years I am staying with it

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 01 September 2019 at 03:44 SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

Paul Brown
 

Agreed, damn electronics

Thanks Bill, your a legend 


On 31 Aug 2019, at 8:16 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Yep, L1 is the sensor, damn these new world sensors😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 12:11 PM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, I think your right with the Danfoss compressor controller and the alarm code could be L1 or something similar, I only saw the code for a moment then it switched off and would not switch on again. I’ve checked the wiring as far as I can see with no issues sighted. I’ve swapped the IR33 thermostat from the fridge and although it illuminates it does not switch the freezer on.

I will check something’s tomorrow from your information, but I have a good local mechanic that will visit Monday and figures it’s a sensor issue if it’s the L1 code which he’s familiar with.

Thank you as always for your attention and helpful information, I’ll let you know how I go

Regards Paul 


On 31 Aug 2019, at 6:46 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Frigoboat refrigeration with Danfoss Compressor controllers have an error code of 1 Flash from a LED across the "D" terminal and a "+" terminal on the  Danfoss Compressor controller. This is a low voltage alarm, and is a highly reliable indication of a battery bank, wiring or connection issue. This alarm does not lie. If you have this alarm, you probably have a wiring or connection issue somewhere. I am sure that your Frigoboat has a Danfoss controller.

The part you are describing is, I believe, the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat. I checked the manual on this thermostat and see no error code 1. I believe that the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat could be used with any Frigoboat system. Maybe it is possible that this Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat is relaying the Danfoss error code. I don't know, but if it is capable and is doing so, the solution is in the first paragraph. I have attached the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat manual for your convenience. Please let me know what you find.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:03 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17


<carel-ir33-user-manual.pdf>

Re: Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

 

Yep, L1 is the sensor, damn these new world sensors😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 12:11 PM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill, I think your right with the Danfoss compressor controller and the alarm code could be L1 or something similar, I only saw the code for a moment then it switched off and would not switch on again. I’ve checked the wiring as far as I can see with no issues sighted. I’ve swapped the IR33 thermostat from the fridge and although it illuminates it does not switch the freezer on.

I will check something’s tomorrow from your information, but I have a good local mechanic that will visit Monday and figures it’s a sensor issue if it’s the L1 code which he’s familiar with.

Thank you as always for your attention and helpful information, I’ll let you know how I go

Regards Paul 


On 31 Aug 2019, at 6:46 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Frigoboat refrigeration with Danfoss Compressor controllers have an error code of 1 Flash from a LED across the "D" terminal and a "+" terminal on the  Danfoss Compressor controller. This is a low voltage alarm, and is a highly reliable indication of a battery bank, wiring or connection issue. This alarm does not lie. If you have this alarm, you probably have a wiring or connection issue somewhere. I am sure that your Frigoboat has a Danfoss controller.

The part you are describing is, I believe, the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat. I checked the manual on this thermostat and see no error code 1. I believe that the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat could be used with any Frigoboat system. Maybe it is possible that this Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat is relaying the Danfoss error code. I don't know, but if it is capable and is doing so, the solution is in the first paragraph. I have attached the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat manual for your convenience. Please let me know what you find.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:03 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17


<carel-ir33-user-manual.pdf>

Re: Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Bill, I think your right with the Danfoss compressor controller and the alarm code could be L1 or something similar, I only saw the code for a moment then it switched off and would not switch on again. I’ve checked the wiring as far as I can see with no issues sighted. I’ve swapped the IR33 thermostat from the fridge and although it illuminates it does not switch the freezer on.

I will check something’s tomorrow from your information, but I have a good local mechanic that will visit Monday and figures it’s a sensor issue if it’s the L1 code which he’s familiar with.

Thank you as always for your attention and helpful information, I’ll let you know how I go

Regards Paul 


On 31 Aug 2019, at 6:46 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Frigoboat refrigeration with Danfoss Compressor controllers have an error code of 1 Flash from a LED across the "D" terminal and a "+" terminal on the  Danfoss Compressor controller. This is a low voltage alarm, and is a highly reliable indication of a battery bank, wiring or connection issue. This alarm does not lie. If you have this alarm, you probably have a wiring or connection issue somewhere. I am sure that your Frigoboat has a Danfoss controller.

The part you are describing is, I believe, the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat. I checked the manual on this thermostat and see no error code 1. I believe that the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat could be used with any Frigoboat system. Maybe it is possible that this Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat is relaying the Danfoss error code. I don't know, but if it is capable and is doing so, the solution is in the first paragraph. I have attached the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat manual for your convenience. Please let me know what you find.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:03 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17


<carel-ir33-user-manual.pdf>

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

 

It is likely the starting capacitor inside the wiring junction box on the top of the Calpeda BCM20/E pump. Note the photo shows an aluminum case capacitor. Absolutely use an aluminum case 10uf capacitor. Calpeda distributes this pump with either a plastic or aluminum capacitor. The plastic will not stand the heat.
image.png

If it is not the capacitor, it may be the fuse. Amel used an automotive glass-type fuse in SM and possibly all 54s. It is located inside the CLIMMA Control box in the engine room.
image.png

I hope this helps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:36 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds like a starting capacitor is bad.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 31, 2019, at 12:08 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Dean,

I turn on the AC and nip into the engine room with a screwdriver. It is trying to turn but can not quite make it without my help. No kickback really. I had that pump apart and reckoned it was on it’s last legs, but that was two years ago and it is still going. I should buy a spare, but it is not really essential for the running of the boat and we are not in marinas much. Having said that in Greece this summer, when connected to shore power a bit of AC for a siesta is quite nice!

In Scotland you will be more in need of heating! How was the condensation this summer? On my last boat we spent a summer on the west coast and loved it, but the portholes and hatches were covered each morning with heavy condensation.

Nick

Amelia
AML 54-019
On 31 Aug 2019, at 16:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

 

Paul,

Frigoboat refrigeration with Danfoss Compressor controllers have an error code of 1 Flash from a LED across the "D" terminal and a "+" terminal on the  Danfoss Compressor controller. This is a low voltage alarm, and is a highly reliable indication of a battery bank, wiring or connection issue. This alarm does not lie. If you have this alarm, you probably have a wiring or connection issue somewhere. I am sure that your Frigoboat has a Danfoss controller.

The part you are describing is, I believe, the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat. I checked the manual on this thermostat and see no error code 1. I believe that the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat could be used with any Frigoboat system. Maybe it is possible that this Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat is relaying the Danfoss error code. I don't know, but if it is capable and is doing so, the solution is in the first paragraph. I have attached the Carel IR33 Electronic Thermostat manual for your convenience. Please let me know what you find.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:03 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Matt Salatino
 

Sounds like a starting capacitor is bad.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 31, 2019, at 12:08 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Dean,

I turn on the AC and nip into the engine room with a screwdriver. It is trying to turn but can not quite make it without my help. No kickback really. I had that pump apart and reckoned it was on it’s last legs, but that was two years ago and it is still going. I should buy a spare, but it is not really essential for the running of the boat and we are not in marinas much. Having said that in Greece this summer, when connected to shore power a bit of AC for a siesta is quite nice!

In Scotland you will be more in need of heating! How was the condensation this summer? On my last boat we spent a summer on the west coast and loved it, but the portholes and hatches were covered each morning with heavy condensation.

Nick

Amelia
AML 54-019
On 31 Aug 2019, at 16:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean,

I turn on the AC and nip into the engine room with a screwdriver. It is trying to turn but can not quite make it without my help. No kickback really. I had that pump apart and reckoned it was on it’s last legs, but that was two years ago and it is still going. I should buy a spare, but it is not really essential for the running of the boat and we are not in marinas much. Having said that in Greece this summer, when connected to shore power a bit of AC for a siesta is quite nice!

In Scotland you will be more in need of heating! How was the condensation this summer? On my last boat we spent a summer on the west coast and loved it, but the portholes and hatches were covered each morning with heavy condensation.

Nick

Amelia
AML 54-019

On 31 Aug 2019, at 16:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Mast length

Robert Squire
 

Hi I'm new to this group, thanks to the moderators for letting me join.any one have a manual and or a spec sheet for a1977,53ft Meltem.tjanks

Inner stay

Robert Squire
 

Id like to add an inner stay to my 1977 meltem53.ive seen some close to each other and others about foot or two apart .what is the significance.