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Re: gas supplies (campingaz)

svenchante <svenchante@...>
 

On our '80 Maramu we gave up on the small camp gas bottles and
installed aluminum propane bottles in the locker on the back deck.
The locker was already vented. A long propane hose was run through
the inside of the boat along the port side to the galley. Holes were
drilled in the top corner of each aft cabin and head locker the holes
passed through. Appropriate sized, clear water hose was wire tied
around the propane hose when it passed through a hole. A propane
solenoid cutoff switch was installed in the galley and it's duplex,
shielded wire followed the same route. Goop the hole at the locker
with silicon. Also, use a short, 3-foot propane hose to go from your
long hose to the bottles. If you have any chaffing problems,
replacing this short hose is easier and cheaper than the longer one.
The hose looked odd when first installed in empty lockers. As you
fill the boat with supplies for your cruise you'll never notice or
think about the it again.

The back locker easily holds aluminum, upright bottles with lots of
room for 2-cycle oil, etc. We have two 10# bottles and one 20# which
gives us about 6-month supply for our 3-burner Force 10 stove - almost
all meals and some baking onboard. All through the Carib. and the S.
Pacific to Australia we have never had a problem with special fittings
for American style gas valves.

An interesting part of our cruising log is a record of what we were in
the process of cooking when the bottle ran out of gas. Looking
through this record brings such fond memories as almost ready morning
coffee on a chilly rainy day.

Regards,

Carl Strange
S/V Enchante
(Hi Joel!)


Prop shaft bearing

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello all,
I entered prop shaft bearing in the search box and read many previous
references without finding the one I wanted. The detailed description
just posted is excellent but a long time ago someone suggested that to
remove the old oil seals you should drill a small hole either side and
then screw in two long screws which will make it easy to pull each
seal out.
It works!! The bronze bit is called a wearing ring by Amel because it
is not a bearing but merely a device to seal the oil in and the water
out. Before fitting a new one I had a local machine shop make me
another as a spare as the dimensions are not all that critical since
it is only an O ring holder. Someone also suggested that when the
puller is in place on the prop and really tight a couple of taps with
a hammer will make the prop break free. It worked for me.

Regards, John SM 319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop shaft bearing

eric freedman
 

I received this from ian & Judy Jenkins.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

HOW TO STRIP DOWN PROPELLER AND STERN GLAND


You will need a 24mm spanner or ratchet in addition to usual tools plus the
following allen keys 3mm, 4mm, 1/8th and 9/64ths.

1. Undo the 3 nylon bolts holding on the red nose. This reveals the
nut secured by an allen key. Round the side of the allen key may need
cleaning. The allen key needs quite a lot of pressure to shift it.
2. Once the allen key is removed, the big central nut will also take a
lot of pressure to undo. You need a block of wood about 12” square and 2”
thick. This rests between one of the prop blades and the horizontal surface
of the keel below to keep the shaft still.
3. Having loosened the big nut, but before it is removed, put in place
the 3-bolt remover. Each of the 3 bolts goes home. Then put a big spanner
on the centre bolt and assist by ‘tapping-in’ the centre bolt lightly with a
hammer. The bolt takes a lot of shifting, about ¼ of a turn per effort,
tapping also on the shaft between the prop and the prop-cutter (quite hard).
4. When the big bolt turns freely, unscrew the 3-bolt remover, remove
the centre nut and the whole prop.
5. Remove the collar and clean off the outside of the cutter blade.
6. Tap out the key on the stainless steel shaft – tap fore and aft and
it will come.
7. Undo the allen keys on the cutter. NB at least one of these is a
non metric key! ALSO when holding the shaft do so with a rag or glove as
the key-housing is very sharp.
8. Loosen the large nut with a V in it - which is below the stainless
steel shaft. Before removing it put a wide funnel, hose and container under
it. Be prepared for the oil to spurt out. It will take about an hour to
drain. It is not necessary to open the oil reservoir inside the boat.
9. Having removed this large nut and drained the oil, dig out the
narrow seal (against which the inboard end of the nut rests) with a
screw-driver.
10. To put BACK this big nut, check the O ring on it, put silicon on it
plus a new seal to replace the seal taken out under 9. Replace the seal on
the nut shaft with silicon on the boat-side of the seal. When the nut is
tightened up the V should be vertical.
11. To extract the ‘wearing out ring’ (which I refer to as the bronze
bearing), undo the 2 allen keys and use a screwdriver to lever against the
allen key or tap out the bronze bearing using a hammer and chisel - the
chisel pointing obliquely aft.
12. Once the bronze bearing is out, take a big screw-driver and dig out
the 3 rubber seals.
13. With a small blade clean the surface of the in situ (female) part of
the bearing. Also with sandpaper clean the aft-part of the internal surface
having sealed inboard with some tissue (the seals sit slightly in from the
aft edge of the in situ bearing so there can be a build-up of calcium here).
After cleaning remove tissue!

14. Before replacing bronze bearing with its 3 seals, you need to make
sure that the O ring on the inside of the new bronze bearing will fit
properly. To do so, push the new bronze bearing home without fitting the
seals. It should go with a hard push from your hands. If it doesn’t, try a
different O ring, as they are not all absolutely identical.
15. Once you are happy with the O ring fit, fill each rubber seal with
grease plus a very small amount on the edge of the in situ bearing to assist
entry. Use the old bronze bearing to push in the first, subsequently the
second and subsequently the third (i.e. do not put all 3 in at the same
time) NB The first 2 seals have the hollow section facing forward, the
3rd has the hollow section facing aft. ALSO it helps in
tapping home the old bronze bearing to use a pipe with a greater diameter
than the shaft, one end of which you can rest against the outer face of the
old bronze bearing and the other end of which you can tap with a hammer.
16. Having tapped home the 3 seals so that the 3rd seal is about 10mm
inset, remove the old bronze bearing and push in the new bearing so that it
is hard up against the outboard seal. THEN ease the bronze bearing aft 2mm
so that it is not actually touching the seal. This will leave the 2 allen
keys on the bronze bearing about 2 to 3 mm aft of the in situ bearing and
the widest part of the bronze bearing will be about 2mm inside the in situ
bearing. Tighten these allen keys.
17. Replace the thin rubber ring on the shaft ahead of the stripper.
18. Fit a new anode on the stripper. When reassembled this anode fits
inside the V on the big nut. Tighten the two pairs of allen keys to secure
the stripper to the shaft.
19. Replace the rubber ring aft of the stripper.
20. Replace the key in the stainless steel shaft.
21. Clean the inside of the prop and put the prop back on the shaft,
lining up the slot on the prop with the key. Tighten up the 24mm nut really
tight, to fasten the prop to the shaft and replace the allen key against a
flat side of the nut using Loctite.
22. Replace the nylon nose without greasing the 3 nylon nuts.
23. Take this opportunity to re-grease the prop through the allen key
holes on each blade and hub. These do not need Loctite on replacement.
24. Refill the leg with 15w40 oil through the reservoir – it will take 8
to 9 litres.
25. When draining the BOW THRUSTER TUBE capture the oil in a transparent
container to see if there is any water in it. If there is, change the seal
between the prop and the leg.

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of minaxi53
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop shaft bearing

Can anyone give a detailed description as how the prop bearings are
pulled and replaced. My boatyard mechanic is reluctant to do this as
he has not worked on Amels Drive before.
Vito, I believe you did this a while ago? How are things going? I see
you made it to the other side so far, drop me an email with your
adventures "bob@..."

Thanks for any info
Bob
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Re: Prop shaft bearing

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bob

Good to hear from you. The prop shaft should be changed every 800
hours. When you bought the boat from me the prop shaft had been
changed less that 50 hours before. You should have detailed shaft
drawings on board. Also, if the u drive oil resevoir looks like there
is a milkshake in it its time to change it.

1- Drain the shaft oil from the drain plug.

2- Remove the prop

3-Remove the bearing by lossening the allen nut and pulling it out.
Note the orientation of the rubber gaskets.

4- Replac the bearing with a new one making sure that the rubber
gaskets are in the same orientation as the old ones. put bck prop and
fill with oil. This is a good time to service the prop.

Thats pretty much it. Its not a complicated job. Much simpler than
replacing an outdrive bearing.

Hope this helps. I will e-mail you an update on my travels.

Vito

Wanderer

I

--- In amelyachtowners@..., minaxi53 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Can anyone give a detailed description as how the prop bearings are
pulled and replaced. My boatyard mechanic is reluctant to do this as
he has not worked on Amels Drive before.
Vito, I believe you did this a while ago? How are things going? I
see
you made it to the other side so far, drop me an email with your
adventures "bob@..."

Thanks for any info
Bob
Minaxi SM6


Prop shaft bearing

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Can anyone give a detailed description as how the prop bearings are
pulled and replaced. My boatyard mechanic is reluctant to do this as
he has not worked on Amels Drive before.
Vito, I believe you did this a while ago? How are things going? I see
you made it to the other side so far, drop me an email with your
adventures "bob@..."

Thanks for any info
Bob
Minaxi SM6


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] gas supplies (campingaz)

WILLIAM KLEIN <sidecar1@...>
 

I switched to propane tanks. This is easily accomplished with standard small propane tanks, but the valve guard must be sortened to fit into the small locker so a welder must be consulted. The propane line fittings are available at any camping store. --Billl Klein Maramu 91 "Popeye"

----- Original Message -----
From: sy melmar y
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:36 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] gas supplies (campingaz)


hello.
on our maramu we have a (quite) small gaslocker just outside the galley.
it has room for two campingaz (blue, 3kg) bottles. has anyone experiance
on avarage consumption (how long will a 3kg-bottle aprx last?) and where
we will get campingaz (around the world). what other ways are used to
get to cooking gas are used? i wouldn't like the idea too much to tie up
one of those huge bottles to our pushpit... we are "newcomers"/just
starting our circumnavigation - thanks for any ideas/hints.
marc, MELMAR Y, maramu #89, www.melmar.ch




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gas supplies (campingaz)

sy melmar y <newsgroup@...>
 

hello.
on our maramu we have a (quite) small gaslocker just outside the galley.
it has room for two campingaz (blue, 3kg) bottles. has anyone experiance
on avarage consumption (how long will a 3kg-bottle aprx last?) and where
we will get campingaz (around the world). what other ways are used to
get to cooking gas are used? i wouldn't like the idea too much to tie up
one of those huge bottles to our pushpit... we are "newcomers"/just
starting our circumnavigation - thanks for any ideas/hints.
marc, MELMAR Y, maramu #89, www.melmar.ch


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin Sloop - Experiences and facts?

amelforme
 

Hello Lars,

I am the AMEL associate for the Americas for nearly 25 years
and I have sailed on and sold several Santorins, ketch
mainly, a couple of sloops. The main mast is stepped to the
same spot, the boom is longer and the mast height is the
same. The sloop has a 30 square meter main and a 60 square
meter jib. The ketch has a 26 square meter main, 52 square
met jib and a 13 square meter mizzen. The ketch is much
more pleasant to sail and has better balance once off the
wind 50 º++. The ketch goes to weather the same angle as
the sloop, just not quite as quick as the mizzen is useless
under 50º apparent and just adds drag. Off the wind, the
ketch is much faster. The ketch offers more sail
combinations to match different wind and sea conditions.
The mizzen is a fine place to mount your radar, the mizzen
boom a fine thing to lift outboards and dive gear.

In my experience, the sloop is much more difficult to resell
and sell for at least 15% less than an equivalent ketch.

The Super Maramu was more than 2 times as popular as the
Santorin and is, truly much easier to sail (electric
winches) and twice as comfortable. If you choose to afford
one, it's a better (and more expensive) boat.

That said I would take either model of the Santorin over any
similar sized sailing yacht, but the ketch is a better boat.

Not that I ever have an opinion about anything, mind you…

Good luck with you AMEL search. Super Maramus priced in
Dollars are attractive values for Europeans these days, but
I don't wish to commercialize this very valued owners group
so contact me directly if I can be of service at
jfpottercyw@...

Best regards,
Joel F. Potter
AMEL 54, Hull # 14 - HOLLIS




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Re: Racing handicap info

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi PHRF certificate is on this site and can be downloaded.

Vito

asm 283


--- In amelyachtowners@..., johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali
Hai"
<hollamby@> wrote:

Has anyone got any information on handicaps fpr an SM 2000 as I
am
hoping to do a cruiser class race and the committee will think
of a
number if I cannot give any guidance?

Regards, John SM319
Try this web link http://www.almalibre.gr/racing.htm. It was
posted by
a guy who races in Greece. Its a bit hard to read, but if you e-
mail
him he my be able to send more info.

Regards
John


Santorin Sloop - Experiences and facts?

hrkaptajn <museum@...>
 

Hi All,

I'm currently considering buying a 1991 Amel Santorin sloop after
having looked for Maramu/Santorins for some time. Now, I'm wondering
about the sloop rig - is it just a ketch without the mizzen mast or is
the sloop ring taller or with a larger mainsail?

Does anyone have experiences with the sloop rig? Is it as effecient as
the ketch or better? Does the sloop-Santorin have the same balance in
the sailplan?

Or is it a handicapped ketch for people that do not want to fiddle
with a mizzen sail?

Any experiences, points of view or actual facts about the sloop rig
will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Lars, Denmark


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kirk for Sale

RFC_SAIL <rfc_sail@...>
 

I will like to see the documentation. Thank you.

----- Original Message -----
From: "syhanaleism" <syhanaleism@...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 17:01
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kirk for Sale


Sloop, 1978, No. 229, lying: Switzerland, many extras, one owner, please ask for the documentation.
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Kirk for Sale

syhanaleism <syhanaleism@...>
 

Sloop, 1978, No. 229, lying: Switzerland, many extras, one owner,
please ask for the documentation.


Re: Racing handicap info

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@...> wrote:

Has anyone got any information on handicaps fpr an SM 2000 as I am
hoping to do a cruiser class race and the committee will think of a
number if I cannot give any guidance?

Regards, John SM319
Try this web link http://www.almalibre.gr/racing.htm. It was posted by
a guy who races in Greece. Its a bit hard to read, but if you e-mail
him he my be able to send more info.

Regards
John


Re: Racing handicap info

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@...> wrote:

Has anyone got any information on handicaps fpr an SM 2000 as I am
hoping to do a cruiser class race and the committee will think of a
number if I cannot give any guidance?

Regards, John SM319
Try this web link http://www.almalibre.gr/racing.htm. It was posted by
a guy who races in Greece. Its a bit hard to read, but if you e-mail
him he my be able to send more info.

Regards
John


Racing handicap info

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Has anyone got any information on handicaps fpr an SM 2000 as I am
hoping to do a cruiser class race and the committee will think of a
number if I cannot give any guidance?

Regards, John SM319


NAVIONIC CHARTS WANTED

L. CAMERON <solarconstruction@...>
 

SM#317, LADY DIVINA IS LOOKING FOR NAVIONIC CHARTS CHIPS THAT WILL FIT A FURUNO NAV NET SYSTEMS (gold system). ALL CHIPS CONSIDERED, BUT LOOKING SPECIFICALLY FOR #8 CARIBBEAN (xl-3 GOLD SYSTEM) THANKS FROM LADY DIVINA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT SM 2000

peter pappas <pjppappas@...>
 

no Murray I am not the same peter pappas, try one of the internet people search sites. like msn to find you friend . good luck peter j pappas

"Dr. Seidel" <mseidel@...> wrote: Is the Peter Pappas the same one who worked in Wilmington, N.C. and played
football for Bear Bryant. Then moved to Birmingham to work at the University
in I.D.?. Murray Seidel mseidel @ec.rr.com

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To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT
SM 2000


thank you

amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote: --- In
amelyachtowners@..., "pjppappas" <pjppappas@...> wrote:
The bulbs for my Foredeck Light and Cockpit Light are General Electric GE
4502 Lamps (28
vollt, 50 watt). There are also surely direct replacements (size,
wattage & voltage from other
manufacturers.

Regards, Gary Silver, Amel SM Hull # 335






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Found: Lost RPPM

Jay Jones <selector6501@...>
 

wastegate regulates pressure, be careful or you will
launch the head through the engine room hatch. Of
course you can water or propane inject a diesel and as
long as the head bolts hold up you can keep cranking
out horses but I worry about the 90 degree gear box
that is the amel drive.

--- agav8ter <agav8ter@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Been a while since I have been able to get on the
web. A while back
I was asking if everyone that had the Volvo TMD22
and the Amel
Autoprop had trouble getting their engines to rev up
to the published
max RPM in the manual.

Well I found my missing RPM, and it was not the prop
(although I
still think that the prop is overpitched for the
engine.)

I removed the turbo and of course it was plugged
solid with carbon
and "coke". I soaked the exhaust side in brake
fluid for three days
and then got a wrench on the intake side of the
turbine wheel and
started to work it back and forth. After about 30
minutes of this
the wheels where loose enoung to spin freely. I put
it all back
together and took WORLD CITIZEN out for a spin.
Results: before max
RPM 1800, after max 3,000. I feel that if I adjust
the wastegate
actuator I could get more RPM and power. Speed went
from about 6 kts
to a measured 8.6 kts. I am very pleased!! Of
course, now I will
start complaining about the increased fuel
consuption!!!
Downside .... after I put it together and deciding
to run it, I left
the heat shield off so I could better watch for
leaks. Then I took
her out to sea and ran her hard. Of course as I
came back to my
mooring at a sedate idle all was well until I went
to put her in
neutral. Oopps, no neutral, no reverse. The
shifting cable had
layed back across the hot side of the turbo and
melted itself. Oh
well at least I was going slow and did not hit
anyone or burn
myself!!!

Enjoy your Amel's,
Tony
WORLD CITIZEN
SM #266




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel painting

eric freedman
 

Hi Joel,
Thanks
Fair Winds,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Joel F. Potter
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel painting

Hi Eric,

Most any of the better paint/coating companies, such as
INTERLUX, make specific coatings for keels. As the SUPER
MARAMU has an IRON keel (not steel! Iron) the absolute most
important parts of any repair/refinishing is to be sure the
solvents in the new coatings don't "melt" the old coatings,
cut into the old coatings until there is solid adhesion of
the old coatings to the keel, and MOST IMPORTANT, apply the
solvent wash and the primer within minutes of
blasting/grinding the metal clean and bright. Not within an
hour as the directions say, minutes. The reason is iron
starts to oxidize in air immediately. Even some
micro-oxidation will make your re-coating job fail early. I
know from sad experience that this is true. Blast/grind,
solvent wash, coat. As quick as you can do it. Get
helpers.

By the way, if you get the current INTERLUX catalogue,
that's me on the cover in the orange shirt!

All the best,
Joel,
AMEL 54, Hull # 14 - "HOLLIS"





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel painting

amelforme
 

Hi Eric,

Most any of the better paint/coating companies, such as
INTERLUX, make specific coatings for keels. As the SUPER
MARAMU has an IRON keel (not steel! Iron) the absolute most
important parts of any repair/refinishing is to be sure the
solvents in the new coatings don't "melt" the old coatings,
cut into the old coatings until there is solid adhesion of
the old coatings to the keel, and MOST IMPORTANT, apply the
solvent wash and the primer within minutes of
blasting/grinding the metal clean and bright. Not within an
hour as the directions say, minutes. The reason is iron
starts to oxidize in air immediately. Even some
micro-oxidation will make your re-coating job fail early. I
know from sad experience that this is true. Blast/grind,
solvent wash, coat. As quick as you can do it. Get
helpers.

By the way, if you get the current INTERLUX catalogue,
that's me on the cover in the orange shirt!

All the best,
Joel,
AMEL 54, Hull # 14 - "HOLLIS"