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Re: take of the list
Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@...>
Done. I have deleted you.
Regards JL --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Lundstrom" <linneasail@...> wrote: about?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel maintenance, cutless
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
Pat, in the older Maramu with a prop alternator there
is a grease gun that lubes the prop shaft... I don't think your SM has one. Hope you get wet quick. We are on our way to the Med due to the traffic issues at the P canal. Richard on Challenge --- sailw32@aol.com wrote: Richard, You advised in your last posting to "check(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
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take of the list
Lundstrom <linneasail@...>
Hi,
We sold our Amel a couple of years ago, and our next boat will be a catamaran, so I would like to be taken off this list. How do I go about? Thanks, Walter Lundstrom
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel maintenance, cutless
Patrick McAneny
Richard, You advised in your last posting to "check the grease gun in the
engine'' what are you referring to?I'm on the hard will be replacing the shaft bearing this week.Thanks,Pat/Shenanigans SM123 **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] keel maintenance, cutless
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
Dave, grind off the problem area then use West Sys.
with barrier coat following the fix. Check the prop shaft for wear you should be able to take the shaft out w/o issue when you replace the bearing. Also check the grease gun in the engine to be sure it is working well. Good luck Richard on Challenge SM 209 in BVI --- Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi all, ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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keel maintenance, cutless
Dave_Benjamin
Hi all,
Maramu #29 is our first boat with a cast iron keel. It's also our first non US built boat. Any tips on type of epoxy to use or other info is greatly appreciated. We plan to haul next week. The cutless bearing will need to replaced as well. It looks like there is enough surface exposed to remove without decoupling the shaft. Have other Maramu owners been able to do it that way? Thanks!
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Re: Amel Stainless Steel Anchor Shank Bend
Stephan Regulinski
While it is true that manufacturing by carving a piece out of solid
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metal potentially has advantages over other processes (better control of the molecular properties is one); it is difficult to believe that this is a relevant fact to the repair of an anchor that has been forged and welded in its original manufacture. The anchor is not the only place where we rely on traditional metal-working techniques. The anchor chain is welded, shackles are forged, the bow fitting on the Amel is welded, fittings on the riggings are swaged (a cold forging technique) and on it goes. Fortunately, all these bits can be observed periodically; an advantage that we have over the heart valve. If you want a real life data point, I have bent the stainless plow delivered on my Amel (#303) twice. The first time, it was bent back into shape and welded at the points which showed stress from being bent. That repair produced an anchor strong enough to suffer a second bending without failure. At that point, I had it repaired again. In the second repair, it was bent back into shape and then had two plates welded across the I-beam to create a box-beam. My welder for the second repair was of the opinion that it was stronger after the second repair than it was brand new. Stephan S/V Delos
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "poirauda" <poirauda@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Thomson washing machine and Amelyachtowners-Messages
dlm48@...
Babelfish should do a 'good enough translation for you to figure out what the text or a web page is saying
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http://babelfish.altavista.com/ regards David
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From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 5:57 am Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Thomson washing machine and Amelyachtowners-Messages ?Parts for the Australe 3 seem to be easily available on French and Dutch internet sites, if you can find some way to translate. Stephan - __
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RE : RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine
Jean Boucharlat
Stephan,
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Visual inspection of the board didn’t give any indication of its status and I do not know of any specialized testing equipment available to laymen like us. I came to my conclusion only through logical elimination of all probable causes confirmed by phone discussion of the issue with Jean-Yves Selo (now retired but, at the time, in the position occupied by Olivier Beauté). I got the replacement part form Amel but, although the machine was just about one year old, the manufacturer had already changed the size of the board (it became about half-size) but, most importantly, had also changed the connectors. As figuring out the functions of all the wires was way beyond my capabilities, I had to wait until the boat reached Japan where a good friend of mine, who is a very capable electronic technician, was able to sort everything out. As a consequence, if you order from Amel, I would suggest that you send them all appropriate data (machine number, year of build, etc.) plus a photo of the board and its connectors, as well as the physical dimensions of the board so that they can make sure they get the right part from the manufacturer. Good luck and best regards, Jean Boucharlat Formerly : Satchimi SM 232
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De : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Stephan Regulinski Envoyé : mardi 29 avril 2008 07:05 À : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Objet : Re: RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine Jean, I was hoping for better news, but I am worried that your posting is the most likely explanation. How did you know the electronic control board was blown? Is it obvious by inspection; can you test for it; or does it take specialized test equipment? Where did you get the replacement part from? Thanks for taking the time to post. Kind regards, Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote: be the current frequency. It happened to me in Hawaï where the washingmachine ran on shore power at 60Hz (as opposed to the European 50Hz it'sdesigned to work on) and blew its electronic control board. I had to change thewhole board, located, if my recollection is correct, at the bottomright-hand side of the machine.yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com] De la part de Frank Newton Envoyé : lundi 28 avril 2008 15:50yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machineyahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine
Stephan Regulinski
Jean,
I was hoping for better news, but I am worried that your posting is the most likely explanation. How did you know the electronic control board was blown? Is it obvious by inspection; can you test for it; or does it take specialized test equipment? Where did you get the replacement part from? Thanks for taking the time to post. Kind regards, Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote: be the current frequency. It happened to me in Hawaï where the washingmachine ran on shore power at 60Hz (as opposed to the European 50Hz it'sdesigned to work on) and blew its electronic control board. I had to change thewhole board, located, if my recollection is correct, at the bottomright-hand side of the machine.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine
Stephan Regulinski
Frank,
I will remember this hint for when I am again abroad in the world of 220/50 cycle. I am currently in the US and have to run the washer off the genset anyway in order to get 50 cycle power. Regards, Stephan Stephan It could be a voltage issue. The same happened to me here in one of the Caribbean islands where the shore voltage was insufficient. If the problem has manifested itself on shore power try running off your generator. Hope this solves your problem. Best regards, Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann SM2000 #321
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Re: Thomson washing machine and Amelyachtowners-Messages
Stephan Regulinski
Anne and John,
Thank you for the advice. It was fun searching through the old postings (and even finding a bunch of postings that I had written). Unfortunately, an answer was not to be found. The manual in the files section is a nice find, since the manual delivered with the boat is in French and requires consulting my wife every time I need info. The diagram is actually a bunch of drawings that belong with the users' manual. I did find an illustrated parts catalogue on the internet for a model closely related to the Australe 3, which I will post when I get the time. Parts for the Australe 3 seem to be easily available on French and Dutch internet sites, if you can find some way to translate. Stephan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <annejohn@...> wrote:
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RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine
Jean Boucharlat
Stephan,
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Alternatively, and I do hope this is not the case with you, it could be the current frequency. It happened to me in Hawaï where the washing machine ran on shore power at 60Hz (as opposed to the European 50Hz it’s designed to work on) and blew its electronic control board. I had to change the whole board, located, if my recollection is correct, at the bottom right-hand side of the machine. Best regards, Jean Boucharlat Formerly : Satchimi SM 232
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De : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Frank Newton Envoyé : lundi 28 avril 2008 15:50 À : amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine Stephan It could be a voltage issue. The same happened to me here in one of the Caribbean islands where the shore voltage was insufficient. If the problem has manifested itself on shore power try running off your generator. Hope this solves your problem. Best regards, Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann SM2000 #321 -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto: <mailto:stephreg%40yahoo.com> stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: 28 April 2008 06:29 To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine Does anyone have the repair manual for the Thomson Australe 3 washing machine (used on the SMM)? Mine will not start. I push the start button, the red light comes on, then nothing: no water, no mechanical sounds, no electrical sounds, nada. A few seconds later the red light goes off. Stephan Delos (SMM #303)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine
Frank Newton <bootlegger@...>
Stephan
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It could be a voltage issue. The same happened to me here in one of the Caribbean islands where the shore voltage was insufficient. If the problem has manifested itself on shore power try running off your generator. Hope this solves your problem. Best regards, Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann SM2000 #321
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From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com] Sent: 28 April 2008 06:29 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thomson Washing Machine Does anyone have the repair manual for the Thomson Australe 3 washing machine (used on the SMM)? Mine will not start. I push the start button, the red light comes on, then nothing: no water, no mechanical sounds, no electrical sounds, nada. A few seconds later the red light goes off. Stephan Delos (SMM #303)
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Thomson washing machine and Amelyachtowners-Messages
John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
Hello there,
If you put the machine in the search box you will find five messages which are not very helpful. However if you go to "Files" you will find complete collection of all the messages from the time the Group started up to Spring 2007. I have never looked at this before because I thought it was only an index. In fact it is a fount of information well worth speed reading through to see the vast amount of collective experience stored in the files. Thank you, Richard, for putting this all in the files section for easy reading. So far as the washing machine manual and also the wiring diagram are concerned these are also available in the files section. I hope that this will solve your problem. If not, you might find something if you Google it in various ways. Good hunting, Anne and John, SM 319
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Thomson Washing Machine
Stephan Regulinski
Does anyone have the repair manual for the Thomson Australe 3 washing
machine (used on the SMM)? Mine will not start. I push the start button, the red light comes on, then nothing: no water, no mechanical sounds, no electrical sounds, nada. A few seconds later the red light goes off. Stephan Delos (SMM #303)
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Autohelm linear drive unit
John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
I have put a couple of pics in the photos section. These were taken
on my last boat, a 1985 Oyster 435.The drive unit originally had nylon planetary gears and these had a very limited life. I went to Autohelm,as it then was pre Raymarine, and bought three sets of spare gears at a cost (1990) of £12.50 per set,one to replace mine and two as spares. I could have bought brass ones but they cost £125 per set! I later sold the other two sets to two cruisers stranded at a couple of places in the South Pacific and bought brass gears. Olivier assured me that my boat(2001) has brass gears but it may well be that earlier models do not. A prudent yottie would check before a long voyage. The second pic shows the effect of worn out brushes which could also cause a stranding. Again spares should be carried on long passages unless you have two drive units. Getting the spare brushes was not easy in a faraway location.The Agents in Australia sent me the wrong ones as Autohelm had changed motor suppliers and seemingly kept it a secret. A fax to Autohelm gave me this bit of info adding that they did not carry spares for my motor. Nor did they tell me who made my motor and their contact info. Stranded in Vanuatu we were not impressed. Best wishes, Anne and John SM319
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Re: Super Maramu Grounding (Bonding) Theory
Claus von der Heydt <cvdhwoe@...>
Hi Everyone,
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I just uploaded a file about galvanic corrosion. Maybe it is helpful. Regards Claus, S/V Jonathan, SM #196
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Super Maramu Grounding (Bonding) Theory
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi Everyone.
Since Bill & Judy Rouse posted related to their bilge grounding strap failure I have inspected my strap and found it intact. My boat is of about the same vintage so I am trying to figure out why their strap failed, then the AC pump impeller went to pieces and the relation to the general theory of grounding (bonding) on the Amel boats. I would welcome input from everyone in trying to understand the rather seemingly black art of bonding in sea going vessels. This is my understanding. 1. The iron keel and all other metallic items that are submersed in salt water are bonded (connected) to all other metallic items in the boat that are salt water immersed. This includes the various pumps, valves, through hulls,engines, transmission, Herth drive, rudder, etc. 2. These are then bonded to the rudder post to which the sacrificial zinc anodes are attached. 3. The purpose of bonding is to provide an electrical equipotential or low resistance path for any stray current to flow to the sacrificial anodes on the rudder. This stray current may be from electrical component stray current, marina leakage current or dissimilar metal induced stray current. 4. a). I believer, but I am not sure, that the bilge bonding strap is made from solid copper because it connects to such a large potential current sink (the keel) and lives in a hostile environment where a cable with a terminal end would not fair well. b). The engine compartment bonding wires are all tied together at the bilge copper strap just as a centrally located tie point.????.. 5. Like a wet cell battery, with two dissimilar metals submerged in an electrolyte solution current flows when a complete circuit exists. Our boat is a giant wet cell battery with dissimilar metals submerged in an electrolyte solution. Add to this the additional hazard of stray current leakage from marina wiring or onboard electrical appliances and it is no wonder our zinc electrodes go away so fast. 6. So, causes of increased zinc anode consumption might include: a) More time in marinas with their well know propensity to have lots of stray current, b) electrical components onboard the boat that leak electrical current, such as inverters, electrical appliances, motors etc. 7. Any item that becomes isolated from the bonding grid by becoming disconnected or having a high resistance attachment to the grid due to corrosion of the bonding wire to protected item joint will no longer be protected by the zinc sacrificial anodes and will proceed to corrode. That is my rudimentary understanding of the system. Other thoughts are welcome. So Bill, I think the keel becoming disconnected from the bonding system would probably NOT have led to the problem with the AC pump and/or sea water manifold. More likely there is a high resistance connection between those items and the bonding system or you have additional current leaks. I think it should be possible to measure for a high resistance connection by using a digital ohm meter and checking the resistance between the rudder post in the aft cabin and the pump or pipe you're interested in. My time on the boat in marinas is very limited because I only get on the boat 3 months a year and when I am in the marina and not on the boat I disconnect from shore power and use solar panels to keep the batteries up. Six months of the year the boat is on the hard, My limited exposure is what I am thinking helped me still have a good bilge bonding strap. I would have rather had more miles on the boat by now. I envy you. Regards, Gary s/v Liahona Antigua
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prop upgrade & grounding strap
amel46met
To the group & JoeMac4Sail, Most prop manufacturers we have spoken
with ask "what is a shaft alternator?". The few that were familiar with the alternators were not sure if their props would work. We were hoping to get info from other Amel owners who have dealt with this, or if Amel has a factory setup/stock installation. In answer to your question, Steve Dashew's encyclopedia states he has installed the Maxi-Prop and while under sail, puts it into reverse gear when he wants it to charge. In regards to the grounding strap, did the Maramu 46 come with this strap and is there a schematic for the bonding/grounding circuits. Thank you, Tom & Mary Ellen s/v Aphrodite.
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