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Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

Jean and others,

Point taken. My apologies. I will no longer be posting anything on this forum.

On other forums, most notably ones oriented for North American cruisers, I have been thanked for my contributions and perspective. So I won't waste any more time and/or energy on this forum. Better to put those efforts where the posts are welcomed.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Dave,



Most, if not all of us, have special skills and/or experience that we are willing to exchange with others on this forum for the benefit of all. That’s the very point of this forum. As none of us, so far, has tried to make business here, we know that the opinions or advices exchanged, even when occasionally erroneous, are always non-commercial and in good faith.



Your sail making experience is obviously valuable to everybody if you are willing to keep it separate from your pocketbook. Otherwise we will never know from what perspective you are talking and your opinions will lose their value.



Sailing is, thankfully, steeped in traditions and I would very much like to uphold the old European one that it is very bad manners to carry business at the club!



This will be my last post on this issue.

I have made my point, I’ll stick to my opinion, but I’ll let members do as they wish.



Regards,



Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: dimanche 2 août 2009 05:38
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104





Jean,
My opinion is that when someone is discussing sails specifically I should not be prohibited from mentioning that I'm in the business. I've seen some really poor choices made by sailmakers who don't understand Amels. Why not let people know there is a sailmaker who understands both their boat and their needs?
n addition to sailmaking I'm a USCG licenced captain and I have over 30 years of experience.
I respect your opinion but if someone is asking about sails I don't feel it's inappropriate to mention we may be able to help.

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Jean Boucharlat < <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat < <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> jean.boucharlat@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:47 AM



Dave,

As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.

As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.

My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group

for personal profit and/or business promotion.

I didn’t write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,

it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited

self-promoting material.

Regards,

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Jean,

Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who

better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints

from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel

pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who

was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial

modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.

If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.

And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me

directly than publicly.

Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> > wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> >

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM

To the moderator and all members of this group

I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly

advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.

This is not the first time he has done it.

I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it

very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel

Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges

of information between members.

All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing

has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with

Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in

the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality

cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some

real advantages over the competition.

www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%

40gmail.com>

wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM

I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'

company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done

in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.

Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18

oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS

Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10

Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,

Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 2,183.00 2,183.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker

Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella

Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and

Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag

1 2,438.00 2,438.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz

Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten

Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,

Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 784.00 784.00T

<br>

ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T

<br>

Hope this helps

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>

wrote:

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and

sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety

of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so

cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what

it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They

guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions

about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,

top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US

(incl. P&P)!!!!

So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find

anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat

without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should

be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a

full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to

10 bft all was perfect OK.

I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: Mixing business with pleasure

Zanareva
 

Of course, this 'policy' could be abused. If that happens and the goodwill of this forum is affected action will be taken.

Richard

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Tate" <closereach@...> wrote:

Going forward, if an Amel yacht owner posts a message with an opinion or bias or suggestion to a product or service that they have a possibility of financial gain then they should clearly provide full disclosure of their relationship with that product or service each and every time they post a message.

It is a credit to all of you Amel yacht owners that this forum operates virtually free from moderation since inception. Let's keep it that way by continuing our thoughtful and respectful postings and replies.

Thanks

Forum founder and co-moderator
Richard Tate
SM "Spice"


Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Jean Boucharlat
 

Dave,



Most, if not all of us, have special skills and/or experience that we are willing to exchange with others on this forum for the benefit of all. That’s the very point of this forum. As none of us, so far, has tried to make business here, we know that the opinions or advices exchanged, even when occasionally erroneous, are always non-commercial and in good faith.



Your sail making experience is obviously valuable to everybody if you are willing to keep it separate from your pocketbook. Otherwise we will never know from what perspective you are talking and your opinions will lose their value.



Sailing is, thankfully, steeped in traditions and I would very much like to uphold the old European one that it is very bad manners to carry business at the club!



This will be my last post on this issue.

I have made my point, I’ll stick to my opinion, but I’ll let members do as they wish.



Regards,



Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: dimanche 2 août 2009 05:38
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104





Jean,
My opinion is that when someone is discussing sails specifically I should not be prohibited from mentioning that I'm in the business. I've seen some really poor choices made by sailmakers who don't understand Amels. Why not let people know there is a sailmaker who understands both their boat and their needs?
n addition to sailmaking I'm a USCG licenced captain and I have over 30 years of experience.
I respect your opinion but if someone is asking about sails I don't feel it's inappropriate to mention we may be able to help.

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Jean Boucharlat < <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> jean.boucharlat@orange.fr> wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat < <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> jean.boucharlat@orange.fr>
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:47 AM



Dave,

As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.

As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.

My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group

for personal profit and/or business promotion.

I didn’t write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,

it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited

self-promoting material.

Regards,

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Jean,

Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who

better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints

from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel

pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who

was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial

modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.

If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.

And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me

directly than publicly.

Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> > wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> >

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM

To the moderator and all members of this group

I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly

advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.

This is not the first time he has done it.

I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it

very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel

Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges

of information between members.

All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing

has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with

Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in

the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality

cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some

real advantages over the competition.

www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%

40gmail.com>

wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM

I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'

company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done

in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.

Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18

oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS

Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10

Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,

Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 2,183.00 2,183.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker

Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella

Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and

Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag

1 2,438.00 2,438.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz

Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten

Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,

Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 784.00 784.00T

<br>

ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T

<br>

Hope this helps

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>

wrote:

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and

sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety

of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so

cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what

it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They

guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions

about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,

top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US

(incl. P&P)!!!!

So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find

anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat

without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should

be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a

full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to

10 bft all was perfect OK.

I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: [Amel] Re: Windlass switches and covers

eric freedman
 

Gary,

Thanks

Eric





_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Windlass switches and covers





Eric:

As you know, the Lofgrans Tirgress windlass was modified by Amel
with the windlass switches on the aft housing. I ordered four of the
switches and 6 of the rubber comvers from Amel a few years ago and
they were very reasonably priced. The rubber covers are separate
items from the switches.

Shipping was the biggest expense. I can't for the life of me understand
why Amel can't use parcel post for small items like this. Perhaps they
don't have parcel post in France.

When I installed the new switches and covers I had to seal the
rubber covers and the surrounding ring with RTV silicone sealant
because if you torque the nuts tight enough to hold the switches
well it will extrude the rubber cover.

Best of luck, Gary Amel, SM Hull # 335

Hi,

I am looking for a couple of windlass switches and covers that Amel
mounted
on the Lofrans windlass. Does anyone know of a source?


Eric


Re: [Amel] Re: New Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

Kent,
Thanks for sharing your perspective. You've left me a bit confused though because if I am reading what you wrote correctly, you wish you had known about my company before buying from Banks. So are you saying you would not want other owners to know a worthy alternative exists? The only time I ever mention I own a loft is when someone brings up sails. 
If I have a question about electronics or some other aspect that I am not well versed in I would appreciate knowing that a fellow owner is in the business and may be able to assist me. I don't consider it an inappropriate use of a forum. However if I am asking about electronics and someone wants to promote their anchor swivel then I feel that would be out of bounds.

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:39 AM













 





I tend to agree with Jean. Dave, I really appreciate your posts and wouldn't want you to feel that I'm upset with you at all, but whenever there's a discussion about sails, your posts have a "commercial" feel. That said, I wish I'd come to this site before I bought my sails. I'm very happy with the ones I got from Banks in Kemah, TX, but I feel I could have gotten sails of equal quality for a better price from Dave, and I wouldn't have had to rely on a loft that didn't have much experience with Amels.

Kent

"Kristy" SM 243



--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@ ...> wrote:

Dave,
As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.
As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.
My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group
for personal profit and/or business promotion.
I didn't write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,
it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited
self-promoting material.
Regards,
Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)
From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
Jean,
Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who
better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints
from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel
pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who
was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial
modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.
If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.
And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me
directly than publicly.
Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ ...
<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> > wrote:
From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ ...
<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> >
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM
To the moderator and all members of this group
I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly
advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.
This is not the first time he has done it.
I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it
very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel
Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges
of information between members.
All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).
Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)
From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing
has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with
Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in
the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality
cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some
real advantages over the competition.
www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%
40gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM
I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'
company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done
in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.
Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.
<br>
Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18
oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS
Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10
Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,
Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag
1 2,183.00 2,183.00T
<br>
Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker
Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella
Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and
Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag
1 2,438.00 2,438.00T
<br>
Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz
Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten
Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,
Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag
1 784.00 784.00T
<br>
ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T
<br>
Hope this helps
--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>
wrote:
You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and
sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety
of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.
You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so
cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what
it cost just to buy top quality material.
The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They
guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions
about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,
top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)
They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US
(incl. P&P)!!!!
So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find
anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat
without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should
be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a
full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to
10 bft all was perfect OK.
I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

Jean,
My opinion is that when someone is discussing sails specifically I should not be prohibited from mentioning that I'm in the business. I've seen some really poor choices made by sailmakers who don't understand Amels.  Why not let people know there is a sailmaker who understands both their boat and their needs?
n addition to sailmaking I'm a USCG licenced captain and I have over 30 years of experience. 
I respect your opinion but if someone is asking about sails I don't feel it's inappropriate to mention we may be able to help.

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr> wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr>
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:47 AM













 





Dave,



As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.



As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.



My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group

for personal profit and/or business promotion.



I didn’t write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,

it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited

self-promoting material.



Regards,



Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104



Jean,

Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who

better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints

from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel

pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who

was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial

modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.



If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.

And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me

directly than publicly.

Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29



--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> > wrote:



From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ orange.fr

<mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr> >

Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM



To the moderator and all members of this group



I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly



advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.



This is not the first time he has done it.



I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it



very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel



Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges



of information between members.



All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).



Jean Boucharlat



(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com



[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin



Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25



To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com



Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104



Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing



has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with



Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in



the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality



cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some



real advantages over the competition.



www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com



--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%

40gmail.com>



wrote:


From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >



Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104



To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com



<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>



Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM



I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'



company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done



in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.



Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18



oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS



Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10



Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,



Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag



1 2,183.00 2,183.00T



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker



Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella



Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and



Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag



1 2,438.00 2,438.00T



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz



Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten



Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,



Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag



1 784.00 784.00T



<br>



ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T



<br>



Hope this helps



--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>



wrote:





You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark


of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and



sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety



of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.





You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality


or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so



cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what



it cost just to buy top quality material.





The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.






--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:




From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>


Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104


To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com


Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM




































Dear all,








Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go


for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They



guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions



about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,



top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)





They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,


Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US



(incl. P&P)!!!!









So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all


in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find



anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat



without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should



be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a



full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to



10 bft all was perfect OK.









I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.








Cheers and fair winds, Hajé


























































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Mixing business with pleasure

Zanareva
 

Going forward, if an Amel yacht owner posts a message with an opinion or bias or suggestion to a product or service that they have a possibility of financial gain then they should clearly provide full disclosure of their relationship with that product or service each and every time they post a message.

It is a credit to all of you Amel yacht owners that this forum operates virtually free from moderation since inception. Let's keep it that way by continuing our thoughtful and respectful postings and replies.

Thanks

Forum founder and co-moderator
Richard Tate
SM "Spice"


Re: Windlass switches and covers

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Eric:

As you know, the Lofgrans Tirgress windlass was modified by Amel
with the windlass switches on the aft housing. I ordered four of the
switches and 6 of the rubber comvers from Amel a few years ago and
they were very reasonably priced. The rubber covers are separate
items from the switches.

Shipping was the biggest expense. I can't for the life of me understand
why Amel can't use parcel post for small items like this. Perhaps they
don't have parcel post in France.

When I installed the new switches and covers I had to seal the
rubber covers and the surrounding ring with RTV silicone sealant
because if you torque the nuts tight enough to hold the switches
well it will extrude the rubber cover.

Best of luck, Gary Amel, SM Hull # 335

Hi,

I am looking for a couple of windlass switches and covers that Amel mounted
on the Lofrans windlass. Does anyone know of a source?


Eric


Re: New Sails for Sharki 104

karkauai
 

I tend to agree with Jean. Dave, I really appreciate your posts and wouldn't want you to feel that I'm upset with you at all, but whenever there's a discussion about sails, your posts have a "commercial" feel. That said, I wish I'd come to this site before I bought my sails. I'm very happy with the ones I got from Banks in Kemah, TX, but I feel I could have gotten sails of equal quality for a better price from Dave, and I wouldn't have had to rely on a loft that didn't have much experience with Amels.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Dave,



As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.

As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.



My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group
for personal profit and/or business promotion.



I didn't write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,
it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited
self-promoting material.



Regards,



Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104





Jean,
Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who
better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints
from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel
pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who
was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial
modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.

If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.
And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me
directly than publicly.
Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...
<mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> > wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...
<mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> >
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM



To the moderator and all members of this group

I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly

advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.

This is not the first time he has done it.

I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it

very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel

Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges

of information between members.

All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing

has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with

Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in

the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality

cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some

real advantages over the competition.

www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%
40gmail.com>

wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM

I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'

company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done

in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.

Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18

oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS

Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10

Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,

Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 2,183.00 2,183.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker

Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella

Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and

Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag

1 2,438.00 2,438.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz

Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten

Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,

Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 784.00 784.00T

<br>

ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T

<br>

Hope this helps

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>

wrote:

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and

sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety

of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so

cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what

it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They

guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions

about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,

top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US

(incl. P&P)!!!!

So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find

anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat

without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should

be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a

full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to

10 bft all was perfect OK.

I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Jean Boucharlat
 

Dave,



As a Maramu owner you are just as welcome in this group as any of us.

As a sail maker trying to drum up business you are not.



My plain, simple and only point is that no one should try to use this group
for personal profit and/or business promotion.



I didn’t write directly to you because the issue is not between you and me,
it concerns the whole membership to which you address your unsolicited
self-promoting material.



Regards,



Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: samedi 1 août 2009 00:11
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104





Jean,
Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who
better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints
from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel
pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who
was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial
modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig.

If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them.
And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me
directly than publicly.
Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr
<mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> > wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr
<mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> >
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM



To the moderator and all members of this group

I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly

advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.

This is not the first time he has done it.

I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it

very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel

Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges

of information between members.

All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing

has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with

Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in

the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality

cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some

real advantages over the competition.

www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin%
40gmail.com>

wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM

I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'

company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done

in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.

Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18

oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS

Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10

Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,

Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 2,183.00 2,183.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker

Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella

Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and

Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag

1 2,438.00 2,438.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz

Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten

Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,

Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 784.00 784.00T

<br>

ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T

<br>

Hope this helps

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>

wrote:

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and

sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety

of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so

cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what

it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They

guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions

about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,

top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US

(incl. P&P)!!!!

So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find

anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat

without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should

be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a

full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to

10 bft all was perfect OK.

I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: "bottom traps"

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Mark:

I asked that exact question of Olivier Beaute, the Amel delivery and later after
market sales guy. He left Amel a year or so ago but was one humble, helpful,
and very knowledgeable guy. He explained that the bottom traps were the locker
lids (i.e. the two two locker lids in the saloon main fore and aft passageway, and
the lid in the galley). Bottom traps must have been a translation misstep, as in
bottom trap doors. Olivier's explanation for doing this was so that the lockers
could air out.

Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hayden" <markghayden@...> wrote:

The Amel SM2K manual has a checklist for leaving the boat. It includes the following item:

* Open the bottom traps.

Does anyone know what "bottom traps" refers to?

thanks, Mark


Re: [Amel] "bottom traps"

amelforme
 

Rumor has it that these are the shut off valves for the bilge draining limber pipes.
Mark, I'll give you a call as soon as I catch my breath.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


Re: [Amel] "bottom traps"

Dave_Benjamin
 

I can only guess they are referring to cockpit drains. Perhaps there is a seacock that potentially be in the closed position. Something must have got lost in translation. I'm sure one of our French speaking owners can clarify.

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Mark Hayden <markghayden@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mark Hayden <markghayden@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] "bottom traps"
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:35 AM













 





The Amel SM2K manual has a checklist for leaving the boat. It includes the following item:



* Open the bottom traps.



Does anyone know what "bottom traps" refers to?



thanks, Mark

































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Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

Jean,
Perhaps you are unaware that I own a Maramu, and thus am also an owner.Who better to build sails for an Amel than an Amel owner? I've heard complaints from owners that their sails don't work well with the rather unique Amel pole system because they are cut incorrectly. I recently met a SM owner who was supplied a furling mizzen that did not work without substantial modification, agaion on account of a sailmaker unaccustomed to the Amel rig. 
If you don't care to read my posts feel free to delete them. 
And I think it would have been far more appropriate for you to contact me directly than publicly. 
Regards,Dave BenjaminS/V Exit StrategyMaramu #29

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr> wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr>
Subject: RE: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:54 AM













 





To the moderator and all members of this group



I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly

advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.



This is not the first time he has done it.



I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it

very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel

Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges

of information between members.



All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).



Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin

Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104



Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing

has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with

Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in

the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality

cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some

real advantages over the competition.

www.IslandPlanetSai ls.com



--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com>

wrote:


From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail. com <mailto:dshkipin% 40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM



I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'

company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done

in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.

Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18



oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS



Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10



Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,



Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag



1 2,183.00 2,183.00T



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker



Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella



Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and



Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag



1 2,438.00 2,438.00T



<br>



Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz



Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten



Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,



Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag



1 784.00 784.00T



<br>



ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T



<br>



Hope this helps



--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>

wrote:





You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and

sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety

of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.





You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so

cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what

it cost just to buy top quality material.





The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.






--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:




From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>


Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104


To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com


Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM




































Dear all,








Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They

guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions

about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,

top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)





They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US

(incl. P&P)!!!!









So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find

anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat

without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should

be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a

full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to

10 bft all was perfect OK.









I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.








Cheers and fair winds, Hajé






























































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"bottom traps"

Mark Hayden
 

The Amel SM2K manual has a checklist for leaving the boat. It includes the following item:

* Open the bottom traps.

Does anyone know what "bottom traps" refers to?

thanks, Mark


[Amel] Re: Windlass switches and covers

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

I contacted them and they said that they did not offer a repair or diagnostic service, so it is difficult to order the parts when you do not know what the problem is.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard Piller <richard03801@...> wrote:

why not use the US dealer for Reya in FL.  They will get you the parts here.
They go under the name of Dolphine.
Fair Breeze
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Windlass switches and covers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:06 AM






 





I'm pretty sure I used the US postal service - don't remember it being very costly...



I think Reya shipped it back via Fedex. The total bill including shipping was 240 euro.



John



--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, kimberlite <kimberlite@ ...> wrote:

Hi,
How did you ship the charger to France?
Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
_____
From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:30 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Windlass switches and covers
Hi Eric,
I shipped my Dolphin 30amp back to Raya for repair. Their service was prompt
and from what I remember reasonably priced.
Their address is :
Reya International Sas
SAV service
144 Avenue de la Roubine
06156 Cannes La Bocca
France
I emailed Lucy at lucy.kelly@reya. <mailto:lucy. kelly%40reya. com> com, who
speaks perfect english.
--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com, kimberlite <kimberlite@ > wrote:
Hi,
I am looking for a couple of windlass switches and covers that Amel
mounted
on the Lofrans windlass. Does anyone know of a source?
Also, does anyone know of a company that can repair a Dolphin 100 amp
battery charger?
Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
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Re: [Amel] experience with shipping a yacht

Tom Steinhoff <sytoujours@...>
 

We shipped our Mango via Dockwise from Brisbane, Australia, to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Very professional, absolutely no issues or problems. They do occasionally miss their exact ship dates, used to be all the time. Left Brisbane on time, a few days late to Ensenada, on time to Fort Lauderdale. Didn't we just meet you in Bonaire? Hope all is well, cheers, Toujours Bonnie and Tom




________________________________
From: S/Y MELMAR Y - marc <newsgroup@melmar.ch>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:52:05 AM
Subject: [Amel] experience with shipping a yacht


hello
we are considering to have our maramu shipped back to the med (from the caribbean) by a big ship service (dockwise, sevenstars, ...) sometime next year. does anyone has some experience on shipping a yacht? does anyone would know about possible problems? any feedback is highly appreciated.
fair winds,
marc, S/Y MELMAR Y, maramu #89, www.melmar.ch


Re: [Amel] Re: MAST WIRING

Jean Boucharlat
 

Kent,



Please do jot down words that you have a problem with and I’ll try to help if I can.

As to the “blanc” you were entirely right that it meant both white and the anchor light.



Keep up the good work,



Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: dimanche 26 juillet 2009 18:56
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: MAST WIRING






Merci beaucoup, mon ami. Je parle le Francaise seulement en peu. I'd like to think I'd be better at it after growing up in New Orleans and taking French in high school. Please do help us out with the French labeling on Amels. I may just go around and jot down some of the words I don't know and send them to you in cyberspace for a vocabulary lesson.
By the way, I did know that blanc was white and that it was the anchor light. I was trying to make a joke about the black wire being lableled "blanc"....thought it might just be a French way of confusing us Yanks. (-;
Laissez les bon temps roullez!
Kent
Kristy SM243

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> > wrote:

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr> >
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: MAST WIRING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 5:17 AM



Kent and Gary,

Just for the fun of trying to improve your French language capabilities:

Projecteur: means beamlight and in this context it means foredecklight

Hune: is nautical short for “feu de hune” and is the steaming light. To be
perfectly boring a ‘hune’ is a semi-circular platform located at the top of
the lower mast, hence it designates, in French, a location about half-mast.

Now that I have thoroughly bored both of you may return to your multimeters!

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

(Formerly SM N° 232)

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: dimanche 26 juillet 2009 02:34
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Amel] Re: MAST WIRING

Kent:

Let's start here:

European wiring color codes:

Wire Color = Yellow/Green = Protective earth or bonding wire, goes to rudder
zinc.
Wire Color = Blue = AC neutral or DC negative
Wire Color = Brown = AC line voltage or DC positive voltage
Wire Color Red = usually means DC positive
Wire Color Black = usually means DC negative

Use a multimeter and measure DC volts between the various buss posts and a
ground
as you turn on and off the various breakers (e.g. tricolor,steaming light,
and anchor
light). This will verify that the buss posts are properly labeled.

It really sounds like the wires for the tricolor and anchor lights are
swapped and your
tricolor bulb is burned out at the masthead.

" The bus and wiring is all clearly marked, and all red wires are connected
to the
appropriately labled posts on the bus."

I don't think you can assume this. Verify it using a multimeter.

" The black wire labeled "blanc" (is that a French thing?)is attached to the
same post as
the red one marked "blanc", and the white wire labeled "tricolor" is
attached to the
same post as the red one marked the same."

Blanc means white in French. It isn't clear to me if this is the anchor
light but Projecteur
is probably the steaming light or possibly the foredeck light. A little
detective work
with your multimeter will tell which one.

" There are two unmarked brown wires attached to the posts marked
"projecteur" and
"hune"," I don't know what Hune means, I can't find it in any of my
dictionaires.

" and all the blue wires and a green one (which runs with the black and
white ones) are
all attached to the far starboard post.....whew. Does that sound right to
you?"

all the blue wires are DC grounds aka negative and are appropriately tied
together.

" are fuses somewhere that could be keeping the anchor light switch ..." No
fuses unless
someone has tinkered with the original wiring.

Get your multimeter out, measure between each buss terminal and the ground
(negative)
terminal while you cycle the various breakers.

Good Luck. Gary Amel SM 335

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Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Jean Boucharlat
 

To the moderator and all members of this group



I think that Dave Benjamin, whom I have never met, should be strongly
advised to refrain from peddling his sails on this group site.

This is not the first time he has done it.

I have no idea whether his sails are good, bad or indifferent but I find it
very disturbing to be exposed to his insidious commercials in this Amel
Owners Group that is only intended for friendly and disinterested exchanges
of information between members.



All comments are welcomed (except from Dave Benjamin himself).



Jean Boucharlat
(Formerly SM 232)





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Benjamin
Sent: vendredi 31 juillet 2009 02:25
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104





Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could have been of service. One thing
has changed since you got your quote from us. We now have an alliance with
Hyde Sails for our manufacturing and we are offering Hyde branded sails in
the local market. I would encourage any Amel owners desiring top quality
cruising sails at a great price to contact us for a quote. Hyde offers some
real advantages over the competition.
www.IslandPlanetSails.com

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mr D <dshkipin@gmail.com <mailto:dshkipin%40gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Mr D <dshkipin@gmail.com <mailto:dshkipin%40gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 1:50 PM



I agree with Dave. I did a fair amount of shopping around, including Daves'
company which had a very competitive deal. I ended up getting my sails done
in May of this year for 6,938 USD incl CA tax from UK-Halsey San Francisco.
Here is the breakdown FYI for anyone looking to get new sails.

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead II Mainsail, Challenge 9.18

oz Dacron, Blue Water Finish, Attached Foot, 4 RBS

Battens, Top 2 Battens Full-Length, Sailman M10

Batten Receptacles & Joints, 3 Reefs, Draft Stripes,

Leech Cord, Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 2,183.00 2,183.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch 120% Roller Furling Passagemaker

Genoa, Challenge 8.18 oz Dacron, UV Sunbrella

Suncover, Padded Luff, Blue Water Finish, Leech and

Foot Chords, Draft Stripes, Telltale Window, Sail Bag

1 2,438.00 2,438.00T

<br>

Amel 39 Ketch Powerhead I Mizzen, Challenge 8.18 oz

Dacron, Blue Water Finish, 4 RBS Battens, Top Batten

Full-Length, 1 Reef, Draft Stripes, Leech Cord,

Telltales, Cunningham, Sail Bag

1 784.00 784.00T

<br>

ATN Gale Sail, 100sf 1 975.00 975.00T

<br>

Hope this helps

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@ ...>
wrote:

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark
of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and
sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety
of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality
or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so
cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what
it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.
--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...> wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ ...>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM
Dear all,
Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go
for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They
guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions
about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip,
top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib,
Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US
(incl. P&P)!!!!

So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all
in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find
anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat
without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should
be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a
full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to
10 bft all was perfect OK.

I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.
Cheers and fair winds, Hajé
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Re: experience with shipping a yacht

P Aubrey
 

Hi Marc,
we shipped our SM 2K by Dockwise from Ft Lauderdale to Toulon in 2005 by Dockwise. The whole process was very efficiently managed at both ends. The majority of the cargo was motor cruisers with just a couple of sailing yachts. You just have to be there for the loading and unloading which works like clockwork. Our yacht arrived in excellent shape with no damage.
Good luck,
Peter Aubrey - SM 2000 293 MAIA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "S/Y MELMAR Y - marc" <newsgroup@...> wrote:

hello
we are considering to have our maramu shipped back to the med (from the caribbean) by a big ship service (dockwise, sevenstars, ...) sometime next year. does anyone has some experience on shipping a yacht? does anyone would know about possible problems? any feedback is highly appreciated.
fair winds,
marc, S/Y MELMAR Y, maramu #89, www.melmar.ch