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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat, thank you for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate your opinion.  Including your feedback I am starting to conclude that older (Maramu or Mango) end up costing about $20,000 per year to be well maintained while newer SM or Santorin cost about $12,000.  I will definitely learn my boat and do all the work I can myself.  Thanks again and I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, sincerely, Alexandre 713-412-6704

--- On Tue, 11/23/10, sailw32@aol.com <sailw32@aol.com> wrote:


From: sailw32@aol.com <sailw32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:41 PM


 



I do not believe that estimating maintenance costs as a percentage of boat
value makes sense.You can take two SMs identical in every way, however one
could have a value of $250,000 and another a few years newer could have a
value of $550,000.Does that mean the owner of the newer boat would send
$30,000. more per year to maintain his boat? If anything the owner of the older
boat of less value would probably spend more because his systems are older.I
have owned my SM for four years and I have not spent 10% of its value yet, and
I assure you I have maintained and greatly approved the boat since I've
owned it. As its been pointed out, if you do the work yourself, and I do, you
save a hell of alot of money.An example , two years ago Diane and I spent
probably 100 hrs. preping the topsides and rubrails before we awlgripped the
boat . Total cost probably $700.00 , if done by the marina it probably would
have cost at least $14,000.00.or more. Not one run by the way, it looks
great, there is a photo under ''Shenanigans ''in the photo section.It is
expensive to own my SM , but if it ran 10% a year to maintain , I would be sailing a
sunfish. In regards to insurance, work has and will for at least another
year keeps us confined primarily to the Cheasapeke Bay ,so I have coverage
only from Maine to S.Carolina, no need to over insure.My premium is $ 1265.00/
yr. for full coverage with Charter Lakes marine ins. agency , Kent Island ,
Md.
Pat SM 123












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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dave, thank you again for your feedback.  It seems 10% is a good average for older boats.  I was also told the same thing either a boat extremely well maintained or with extensive refit… 
Again, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.  Have a great thanks giving weekend, sincerely, Alexandre 713-412-6704

--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 5:33 PM


 



Alexandre,

I try not to think about how much money I spend on the boat ;-)
When we bought our Maramu, the previous owner had spent over $100K USD on a fairly extensive refit. We spent around $15K USD completing the work, replacing some hardware, and building new sails. We cruised the boat for about 8 or 9 months and spent under $300 on maintenance during that time.

Now we are ready to haul out, paint the bottom, replace the stuffing box, and install a new thru-hull which will be about $2K USD.

I expect we'll spend very little over the next year although I'm thinking about a new mizzen spinnaker and maybe another staysail.

We do most of our own work and I'm in the industry so I have wholesale accounts. I think if you budget about 10% of the boat's value for annual maintenance, repairs, and minor upgrades you will come out okay. Some years you will spend more and some years less. If the boat is well prepared you will spend far less when you're out cruising.

It is always far more economical to purchase a boat that has had a major refit than to take it on yourself. In fact I would not have bought our boat if it had not been extensively refit (new engine, new electronics, new AP, new radar, 100% new electrical system, new ground tackle, topside paint, recent rerig with masts pulled and rewired, etc. etc.)

Although the boat is not for sale I'd estimate the value somewhere between $180K-190K USD. You could buy other Maramus for $120-150K but you could easily have over $200K invested and still not be close to the level of refit. So buy the best boat you can find because there is no such thing as a bargain on a cruising boat.

Good luck in your search. If there's anything I can do to assist just drop me a note.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Good morning Dave, I really appreciate your response.  For the first 4 years I will live aboard in Texas.  Then slowly travelling starting Caribbean then South America.
I was also told a well cared boat was more cost-efficient to purchase… 
Did you estimate the average yearly cost of your Maramu over the last 2 years?
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--- On Fri, 11/19/10, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:


From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:12 PM


 



Alexandre,

I think costs will vary widely depending on location, type of use, and how well the boat has been updated and maintained.

From my limited experience of a little over two years of Maramu ownership I can say that most Amels will be less costly to maintain than other cruising boats. The boat is far better designed than many. This means that a project that could take days on another boat might be done in hours on the Amel. For instance if I had to remove our fuel tank I could get it out rather quickly without taking furniture apart the way you have to on other boats. I replaced our batteries in a few hours. Engine maintenance is a lot easier than on boats with the engine stuffed under the companionway. The exterior is low maintenance with no teak to speak of other than the cockpit.

It is always far more cost effective to purchase a boat that has been well cared for and perhaps had an extensive refit than to buy something that is more of a project.

Whichever Amel you choose I predict you will be quite happy with the boat.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc.
Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre







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Re: Maramu repower

Dave_Benjamin
 

That Altmount is a pretty slick setup. We have a 210A alternator that has a custom fabricated mount but I like the looks of your system a lot better.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svresolute" <svresolute@...> wrote:

Hi John and Deb, this is Howard from s/v Jazz, Maramu #144.

We just finished a 3 1/2 year refit (restoration, really) of our Maramu which included repowering with a 75HP Yanmar 4JH4-TE. If you go to the Photos section, look for the album sv JAZZ which documents the entire process. There are several photos of the engine installation. You might also consider replacing the stuffing box with a dripless unit (we used a Tides Marine) and a large alternator (ours is a Bomar 210 amp that mounts directly to the engine with a kit made expressly for the Yanmar by a company called Altmount). Because the Yanmar puts out 13 more horsepower than the original Perkins we also went up an inch in size on our Maxprop.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v Jazz Maramu 144


[Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Dave_Benjamin
 

Alexandre,

I try not to think about how much money I spend on the boat ;-)
When we bought our Maramu, the previous owner had spent over $100K USD on a fairly extensive refit. We spent around $15K USD completing the work, replacing some hardware, and building new sails. We cruised the boat for about 8 or 9 months and spent under $300 on maintenance during that time.

Now we are ready to haul out, paint the bottom, replace the stuffing box, and install a new thru-hull which will be about $2K USD.

I expect we'll spend very little over the next year although I'm thinking about a new mizzen spinnaker and maybe another staysail.

We do most of our own work and I'm in the industry so I have wholesale accounts. I think if you budget about 10% of the boat's value for annual maintenance, repairs, and minor upgrades you will come out okay. Some years you will spend more and some years less. If the boat is well prepared you will spend far less when you're out cruising.

It is always far more economical to purchase a boat that has had a major refit than to take it on yourself. In fact I would not have bought our boat if it had not been extensively refit (new engine, new electronics, new AP, new radar, 100% new electrical system, new ground tackle, topside paint, recent rerig with masts pulled and rewired, etc. etc.)

Although the boat is not for sale I'd estimate the value somewhere between $180K-190K USD. You could buy other Maramus for $120-150K but you could easily have over $200K invested and still not be close to the level of refit. So buy the best boat you can find because there is no such thing as a bargain on a cruising boat.

Good luck in your search. If there's anything I can do to assist just drop me a note.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Good morning Dave, I really appreciate your response.  For the first 4 years I will live aboard in Texas.  Then slowly travelling starting Caribbean then South America.
I was also told a well cared boat was more cost-efficient to purchase… 
Did you estimate the average yearly cost of your Maramu over the last 2 years?
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--- On Fri, 11/19/10, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:


From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:12 PM


 



Alexandre,

I think costs will vary widely depending on location, type of use, and how well the boat has been updated and maintained.

From my limited experience of a little over two years of Maramu ownership I can say that most Amels will be less costly to maintain than other cruising boats. The boat is far better designed than many. This means that a project that could take days on another boat might be done in hours on the Amel. For instance if I had to remove our fuel tank I could get it out rather quickly without taking furniture apart the way you have to on other boats. I replaced our batteries in a few hours. Engine maintenance is a lot easier than on boats with the engine stuffed under the companionway. The exterior is low maintenance with no teak to speak of other than the cockpit.

It is always far more cost effective to purchase a boat that has been well cared for and perhaps had an extensive refit than to buy something that is more of a project.

Whichever Amel you choose I predict you will be quite happy with the boat.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc.
Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre







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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Patrick McAneny
 

I do not believe that estimating maintenance costs as a percentage of boat
value makes sense.You can take two SMs identical in every way, however one
could have a value of $250,000 and another a few years newer could have a
value of $550,000.Does that mean the owner of the newer boat would send
$30,000. more per year to maintain his boat? If anything the owner of the older
boat of less value would probably spend more because his systems are older.I
have owned my SM for four years and I have not spent 10% of its value yet, and
I assure you I have maintained and greatly approved the boat since I've
owned it. As its been pointed out, if you do the work yourself, and I do, you
save a hell of alot of money.An example , two years ago Diane and I spent
probably 100 hrs. preping the topsides and rubrails before we awlgripped the
boat . Total cost probably $700.00 , if done by the marina it probably would
have cost at least $14,000.00.or more. Not one run by the way, it looks
great, there is a photo under ''Shenanigans ''in the photo section.It is
expensive to own my SM , but if it ran 10% a year to maintain , I would be sailing a
sunfish. In regards to insurance, work has and will for at least another
year keeps us confined primarily to the Cheasapeke Bay ,so I have coverage
only from Maine to S.Carolina, no need to over insure.My premium is $ 1265.00/
yr. for full coverage with Charter Lakes marine ins. agency , Kent Island ,
Md.
Pat SM 123


Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu engine replacement

amelforme
 

I sold a boat built of steel in South Africa for a gent who installed this
Cummins engine at original build. He put 4500 hours on it. He loved it. He
did not love the service he got at anything other than first world countries
so he carried a wealth of spares and since he had the spares, nothing much
broke. It is fairly heavy and as I recall somewhat tall, but it could have
been perspective lost in the tiny space he crammed it into.

I think Yanmar is hard to beat as a replacement as the service one can
expect is as good as anything my customers over the years have told me they
expect to obtain. When Yanmar evolves a particular motor, they usually, key
word usually, try not to orphan the previous examples. This saves the horrid
but rewarding task of cross referencing components from other sources to
make things work after being told, "no more of those parts left, buddy."

That said, I recall when the other Japanese brands such as Sony and Toyota
used to be bullet proof too.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
 

Alex, I don't have any pictures of the engine room bare, but it sounds like
Howard does. John and Deb I will forward to your email directly an email to
another member with the photos. The Yanmar is a popular and excellent choice for
replacement. I added a 320 amp Leece Neville alternator on the stock bracket
sold by Yanmar and it works great. I don't have a generator, and I can run my AC
through my inverter when underway.

Eric maramu 105



________________________________
From: woods deborah <woodsdeborah_56@yahoo.co.uk>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 6:21:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

 
Eric

I would be really interested in some pictures of your engine replacement. It is
something we are giving serious consideration to and I would find them very
ueseful

Regards

John And Deb
Orion1 Maramu #41

________________________________
From: Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 November, 2010 19:42:34
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

My engine only had 5,200 hours on it when I replaced it. My engine was leaking
some oil out of the rear main seal, which ends up in the bilge of course. The
harbors are really coming down on anyone spilling anything in the water, so
that was a problem. It still had good power however. I looked into just
replacing the rear main seal, and learned that in order to do so you have to
remove the crankshaft from the motor, not cheap. In addition, when the seal
starts to leak, it is usually because the main bearings are getting worn and
sloppy, so that leads to a complete rebuild. I replaced the motor rather than
rebuilding it for several reasons. A rebuild was $5,000 and a new motor $11,000.


The later added value to the boat. Newer technology gave better economy by about


18 to 20%, so it extended the range by the same amount. I absolutely hated the
raw water pump on the Perkins, it accounted for 90% of my repairs. The yanmar is


geardriven and much more robust. Replacement parts for the Perkins are getting
very expensive. As long as you are not leaking oil and don't have to replace any


major parts I would stay with it for a while. I will forward to you an email
that I sent another member that includes some pictures.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Lior <lior246@gmail.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

hi eric
i have on my boat still the perkins 4-154. i have just bought the yacht. the
engine should have about 7000 hr. it looks that it works perfect. would you
recommend to change the engine? can you send me also the pictures?

thanks
lior
sababa, maramu #155

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ב-18 בנוב 2010, בשעה 21:17, Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net> כתב/ה:

I installed the yanmar 73 hp. I was considering the 54 as it did not have a
turbo and there is a generator pack offered for this motor by yanmar. You only

need 28 hp to cruise at 6.5 knots. The generator pack is only offered in
Europe,

not the USA, where I am located. It is pretty slick, as it slides in between
the

flywheel of the engine and the transmission. It only adds about 3" or so to the



length of the motor assembly. It is can put out up to 5 or 6 kw. I had the
4-154

with a Hurth mechanical trans. The installation was easy. I used the same trans



and adapter plate from the 4-154, and since the rear motor mounts are on the
trans and adapter, it simplified alignment issues. I can send you pictures
directly to your email if you want that shows the installation, motor mounts,
exhaust etc. You can pull the old motor straight out by just removing the
engine

hatch, and install the new one the same. The work is really in cleaning up the

engine room itself. I went with the 73 hp as I could not get the gen pack, and

figured extra power could not hurt, especially since I installed a 320 amp
alternator. Love the motor, it is smaller in size, with an increase of
efficiency of about 18 to 20%. I did the entire install myself.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: jochenh1109 <jochen@jwhofmann.de>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 11:07:10 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu repower


Hello dear forum members,

Our Blue Song finally needs a new Diesel, and we'll have to have it installed
down here in Grenada.

Who of the fellow Maramu owners have gone through that exercise, what new
engine

did you install (or have installed) and why did you choose that specific motor,



how painful was the exercise, how happy are you with your new engine ?

We are presently considering a Cummins (but that is a 3.3 ltr, 65 HP engine -
fuel consumption....) or a 52 HP Yanmar (is that enough HP, it is a bit less
than our old Perkins 4154).

ANY useful comment/suggestion/hint will be appreciated, there is so much you
can

do wrong as I have read in various cruisers forums

Thanks in advance and fair winds

Jochen
s/v Blue Song
Maramu #143

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Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

Howard Berger
 

Hi John and Deb, this is Howard from s/v Jazz, Maramu #144.

We just finished a 3 1/2 year refit (restoration, really) of our Maramu which included repowering with a 75HP Yanmar 4JH4-TE. If you go to the Photos section, look for the album sv JAZZ which documents the entire process. There are several photos of the engine installation. You might also consider replacing the stuffing box with a dripless unit (we used a Tides Marine) and a large alternator (ours is a Bomar 210 amp that mounts directly to the engine with a kit made expressly for the Yanmar by a company called Altmount). Because the Yanmar puts out 13 more horsepower than the original Perkins we also went up an inch in size on our Maxprop.

Regards,
Howard Berger
s/v Jazz Maramu 144


Re: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Dave, I really appreciate your response.  For the first 4 years I will live aboard in Texas.  Then slowly travelling starting Caribbean then South America.
I was also told a well cared boat was more cost-efficient to purchase… 
Did you estimate the average yearly cost of your Maramu over the last 2 years?
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--- On Fri, 11/19/10, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:12 PM


 



Alexandre,

I think costs will vary widely depending on location, type of use, and how well the boat has been updated and maintained.

From my limited experience of a little over two years of Maramu ownership I can say that most Amels will be less costly to maintain than other cruising boats. The boat is far better designed than many. This means that a project that could take days on another boat might be done in hours on the Amel. For instance if I had to remove our fuel tank I could get it out rather quickly without taking furniture apart the way you have to on other boats. I replaced our batteries in a few hours. Engine maintenance is a lot easier than on boats with the engine stuffed under the companionway. The exterior is low maintenance with no teak to speak of other than the cockpit.

It is always far more cost effective to purchase a boat that has been well cared for and perhaps had an extensive refit than to buy something that is more of a project.

Whichever Amel you choose I predict you will be quite happy with the boat.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc.
Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre







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Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

woods deborah <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

Eric

I would be really interested in some pictures of your engine replacement. It is
something we are giving serious consideration to and I would find them very
ueseful

Regards

John And Deb
Orion1 Maramu #41





________________________________
From: Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 November, 2010 19:42:34
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower


My engine only had 5,200 hours on it when I replaced it. My engine was leaking
some oil out of the rear main seal, which ends up in the bilge of course. The
harbors are really coming down on anyone spilling anything in the water, so
that was a problem. It still had good power however. I looked into just
replacing the rear main seal, and learned that in order to do so you have to
remove the crankshaft from the motor, not cheap. In addition, when the seal
starts to leak, it is usually because the main bearings are getting worn and
sloppy, so that leads to a complete rebuild. I replaced the motor rather than
rebuilding it for several reasons. A rebuild was $5,000 and a new motor $11,000.

The later added value to the boat. Newer technology gave better economy by about

18 to 20%, so it extended the range by the same amount. I absolutely hated the
raw water pump on the Perkins, it accounted for 90% of my repairs. The yanmar is

geardriven and much more robust. Replacement parts for the Perkins are getting
very expensive. As long as you are not leaking oil and don't have to replace any

major parts I would stay with it for a while. I will forward to you an email
that I sent another member that includes some pictures.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Lior <lior246@gmail.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower


hi eric
i have on my boat still the perkins 4-154. i have just bought the yacht. the
engine should have about 7000 hr. it looks that it works perfect. would you
recommend to change the engine? can you send me also the pictures?

thanks
lior
sababa, maramu #155

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

ב-18 בנוב 2010, בשעה 21:17, Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net> כתב/ה:

I installed the yanmar 73 hp. I was considering the 54 as it did not have a
turbo and there is a generator pack offered for this motor by yanmar. You only

need 28 hp to cruise at 6.5 knots. The generator pack is only offered in
Europe,

not the USA, where I am located. It is pretty slick, as it slides in between
the

flywheel of the engine and the transmission. It only adds about 3" or so to the


length of the motor assembly. It is can put out up to 5 or 6 kw. I had the
4-154

with a Hurth mechanical trans. The installation was easy. I used the same trans


and adapter plate from the 4-154, and since the rear motor mounts are on the
trans and adapter, it simplified alignment issues. I can send you pictures
directly to your email if you want that shows the installation, motor mounts,
exhaust etc. You can pull the old motor straight out by just removing the
engine

hatch, and install the new one the same. The work is really in cleaning up the

engine room itself. I went with the 73 hp as I could not get the gen pack, and

figured extra power could not hurt, especially since I installed a 320 amp
alternator. Love the motor, it is smaller in size, with an increase of
efficiency of about 18 to 20%. I did the entire install myself.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: jochenh1109 <jochen@jwhofmann.de>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 11:07:10 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu repower


Hello dear forum members,

Our Blue Song finally needs a new Diesel, and we'll have to have it installed
down here in Grenada.

Who of the fellow Maramu owners have gone through that exercise, what new
engine

did you install (or have installed) and why did you choose that specific motor,


how painful was the exercise, how happy are you with your new engine ?

We are presently considering a Cummins (but that is a 3.3 ltr, 65 HP engine -
fuel consumption....) or a 52 HP Yanmar (is that enough HP, it is a bit less
than our old Perkins 4154).

ANY useful comment/suggestion/hint will be appreciated, there is so much you
can

do wrong as I have read in various cruisers forums

Thanks in advance and fair winds

Jochen
s/v Blue Song
Maramu #143

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Re: [Amel] Insurance

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

I don't recall who we were dealing with, but we sure thought the requirement for a custom cradle to be ridiculous, especially since we plan to be a different place every time we haul out for hurricane season for the next several years. I suppose if you haul out in the same yard every year, like many folks do in Trinidad, it would be OK, but it sure doesn't work for us. Since their premium cost was quite a bit higher than Keenan's in addition to the cradle reqmt, it didn't matter in the end. Glad they don't have that rule for you guys out there !
Ruth




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:35:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Insurance






Ruth,

The policies for the west coast seem to be different. Originally we were planning to leave our boat in Paradise Village Marina (in a slip) for hurricane season. Our friends who are also insured with Pantaenius went to Mazatlan for hurricane season.

We ended up bringing the boat north to Ensenada for the hurricane season but that was for other reasons, not insurance. Being close to San Diego makes it easy to get things to the boat. Shipping to Mexico is extremely expensive with duty and such.

Were you dealing with Cathy in NY or someone else?

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


We recently got a quote from Pantaenius, for cruising the southern Caribben area, their rate was not competetive and they were not willing to insure us unless we stored our SuperMaramu in a custom made cradle on the hard during hurricane season (i.e. jackstands, even chained together, were not sufficient). The requirement for a cradle was just not realistic for us. Do they have that policy on the Pacific side ?

Ruth
MOON DOG SM248



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@...
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Insurance






We are a US based Maramu cruising Mexico. We chose Pantaenius insurance which is a Dutch firm with US office in NY. The rates and coverage are in our opinion, excellent.

We recommended Pantaenius to some fellow cruisers who chose to insure with them. Several months later their boat was struck by lightning in Mazatlan. They reported that Pantaenius has been a pleasure to deal with regarding the claim. In fact they leave the claim open for a year in case additional damage is discovered from the lightning strike.

Contact info:

Cathy Masiello

Pantaenius America, Ltd.
500 Mamaroneck Avenue
Harrison, NY 10528
Phone:914.381.2066
Fax: 914.381.2052
Mail:cmasiello@...
http://www.pantaenius.com





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Spectra watermaker install on Maramu

Dave_Benjamin
 

We hope to be installing a Spectra 200T watermaker shortly. We will be hauling to paint pretty soon and I'll install a dedicated thru-hull for the watermaker.

I would like to hear from other Maramu owners who have installed watermakers to hear where you chose to install components and if you installed a new thru-hull, the location of that.

Thanks in advance for you feedback.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29


Re: [Amel] Insurance

Dave_Benjamin
 

Ruth,

The policies for the west coast seem to be different. Originally we were planning to leave our boat in Paradise Village Marina (in a slip) for hurricane season. Our friends who are also insured with Pantaenius went to Mazatlan for hurricane season.

We ended up bringing the boat north to Ensenada for the hurricane season but that was for other reasons, not insurance. Being close to San Diego makes it easy to get things to the boat. Shipping to Mexico is extremely expensive with duty and such.

Were you dealing with Cathy in NY or someone else?

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


We recently got a quote from Pantaenius, for cruising the southern Caribben area, their rate was not competetive and they were not willing to insure us unless we stored our SuperMaramu in a custom made cradle on the hard during hurricane season (i.e. jackstands, even chained together, were not sufficient). The requirement for a cradle was just not realistic for us. Do they have that policy on the Pacific side ?

Ruth
MOON DOG SM248



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@...
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Insurance






We are a US based Maramu cruising Mexico. We chose Pantaenius insurance which is a Dutch firm with US office in NY. The rates and coverage are in our opinion, excellent.

We recommended Pantaenius to some fellow cruisers who chose to insure with them. Several months later their boat was struck by lightning in Mazatlan. They reported that Pantaenius has been a pleasure to deal with regarding the claim. In fact they leave the claim open for a year in case additional damage is discovered from the lightning strike.

Contact info:

Cathy Masiello

Pantaenius America, Ltd.
500 Mamaroneck Avenue
Harrison, NY 10528
Phone:914.381.2066
Fax: 914.381.2052
Mail:cmasiello@...
http://www.pantaenius.com





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Re: [Amel] Insurance

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all we have just moved to an NZ broker and have insured Ocean Pearl for around the NZ coast out to 200 miles for 0.65% of value. Less than half the quote from the US broker for a poorer cover for the same area.

Regards

Danny and Yvonne
SM299

--- On Sun, 21/11/10, john martin <symoondog@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: john martin <symoondog@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Insurance
To: "Amel YAHOO GROUP" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 21, November, 2010, 2:25 AM



We recently got a quote from Pantaenius, for cruising the southern Caribben area, their rate was not competetive and they were not willing to insure us unless we stored our SuperMaramu in a custom made cradle on the hard during hurricane season (i.e. jackstands, even chained together, were not sufficient).  The requirement for a cradle was just not realistic for us.   Do they have that policy on the Pacific side ?

Ruth
MOON DOG  SM248



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Insurance


 



We are a US based Maramu cruising Mexico. We chose Pantaenius insurance which is a Dutch firm with US office in NY. The rates and coverage are in our opinion, excellent.

We recommended Pantaenius to some fellow cruisers who chose to insure with them. Several months later their boat was struck by lightning in Mazatlan. They reported that Pantaenius has been a pleasure to deal with regarding the claim. In fact they leave the claim open for a year in case additional damage is discovered from the lightning strike.

Contact info:

Cathy Masiello

Pantaenius America, Ltd.
500 Mamaroneck Avenue
Harrison, NY 10528
Phone:914.381.2066
Fax: 914.381.2052
Mail:cmasiello@pantaenius.com
http://www.pantaenius.com



                         

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Re: [Amel] Insurance

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

We recently got a quote from Pantaenius, for cruising the southern Caribben area, their rate was not competetive and they were not willing to insure us unless we stored our SuperMaramu in a custom made cradle on the hard during hurricane season (i.e. jackstands, even chained together, were not sufficient). The requirement for a cradle was just not realistic for us. Do they have that policy on the Pacific side ?

Ruth
MOON DOG SM248



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Insurance






We are a US based Maramu cruising Mexico. We chose Pantaenius insurance which is a Dutch firm with US office in NY. The rates and coverage are in our opinion, excellent.

We recommended Pantaenius to some fellow cruisers who chose to insure with them. Several months later their boat was struck by lightning in Mazatlan. They reported that Pantaenius has been a pleasure to deal with regarding the claim. In fact they leave the claim open for a year in case additional damage is discovered from the lightning strike.

Contact info:

Cathy Masiello

Pantaenius America, Ltd.
500 Mamaroneck Avenue
Harrison, NY 10528
Phone:914.381.2066
Fax: 914.381.2052
Mail:cmasiello@pantaenius.com
http://www.pantaenius.com





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Re: Maramu repower

Dave_Benjamin
 

When we bought our Maramu it only had 50 hours on a 75hp Yanmar. We now have close to 600 and are delighted with the engine. We have spoken with mechanics who tell us that it's a very reliable unit.
Yanmar is very good for parts availability as well.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jochenh1109" <jochen@...> wrote:

Hello dear forum members,

Our Blue Song finally needs a new Diesel, and we'll have to have it installed down here in Grenada.

Who of the fellow Maramu owners have gone through that exercise, what new engine did you install (or have installed) and why did you choose that specific motor, how painful was the exercise, how happy are you with your new engine ?

We are presently considering a Cummins (but that is a 3.3 ltr, 65 HP engine - fuel consumption....) or a 52 HP Yanmar (is that enough HP, it is a bit less than our old Perkins 4154).

ANY useful comment/suggestion/hint will be appreciated, there is so much you can do wrong as I have read in various cruisers forums

Thanks in advance and fair winds

Jochen
s/v Blue Song
Maramu #143


Re: Amel yearly upkeep cost

Dave_Benjamin
 

Alexandre,

I think costs will vary widely depending on location, type of use, and how well the boat has been updated and maintained.

From my limited experience of a little over two years of Maramu ownership I can say that most Amels will be less costly to maintain than other cruising boats. The boat is far better designed than many. This means that a project that could take days on another boat might be done in hours on the Amel. For instance if I had to remove our fuel tank I could get it out rather quickly without taking furniture apart the way you have to on other boats. I replaced our batteries in a few hours. Engine maintenance is a lot easier than on boats with the engine stuffed under the companionway. The exterior is low maintenance with no teak to speak of other than the cockpit.

It is always far more cost effective to purchase a boat that has been well cared for and perhaps had an extensive refit than to buy something that is more of a project.

Whichever Amel you choose I predict you will be quite happy with the boat.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:


I am seriously interested in purchasing an Amel. The SM cost is above my current budget but I am not discarding it, I am considering Maramu, Santorin and even Mango. Would that be possible to get some feedback on the average yearly up keep/ maintenance (once the sailboat is in absolute ready to cruise condition). A French web site mentions 3500 € ($4,900) per year on an SM, this seems a bit low. I am not looking for insurance nor marina fees, just the maintenance/upkeep costs such as hoses, filters, bearings, bushings, seals, etc.
Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Alexandre


Insurance

Dave_Benjamin
 

We are a US based Maramu cruising Mexico. We chose Pantaenius insurance which is a Dutch firm with US office in NY. The rates and coverage are in our opinion, excellent.

We recommended Pantaenius to some fellow cruisers who chose to insure with them. Several months later their boat was struck by lightning in Mazatlan. They reported that Pantaenius has been a pleasure to deal with regarding the claim. In fact they leave the claim open for a year in case additional damage is discovered from the lightning strike.

Contact info:

Cathy Masiello

Pantaenius America, Ltd.
500 Mamaroneck Avenue
Harrison, NY 10528
Phone:914.381.2066
Fax: 914.381.2052
Mail:cmasiello@pantaenius.com
http://www.pantaenius.com


Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
 

My engine only had 5,200 hours on it when I replaced it. My engine was leaking
some oil out of the rear main seal, which ends up in the bilge of course. The
harbors are really coming down on anyone spilling anything in the water,  so
that was a problem. It still had good power however. I looked into just
replacing the rear main seal, and learned that in order to do so you have to
remove the crankshaft from the motor, not cheap. In addition, when the seal
starts to leak, it is usually because the main bearings are getting worn and
sloppy, so that leads to a complete rebuild. I replaced the motor rather than
rebuilding it for several reasons. A rebuild was $5,000 and a new motor $11,000.
The later added value to the boat. Newer technology gave better economy by about
18 to 20%, so it extended the range by the same amount. I absolutely hated the
raw water pump on the Perkins, it accounted for 90% of my repairs. The yanmar is
geardriven and much more robust. Replacement parts for the Perkins are getting
very expensive. As long as you are not leaking oil and don't have to replace any
major parts I would stay with it for a while. I will forward to you an email
that I sent another member that includes some pictures.

Eric Maramu 105



________________________________
From: Lior <lior246@gmail.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu repower

 
hi eric
i have on my boat still the perkins 4-154. i have just bought the yacht. the
engine should have about 7000 hr. it looks that it works perfect. would you
recommend to change the engine? can you send me also the pictures?

thanks
lior
sababa, maramu #155

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

ב-18 בנוב 2010, בשעה 21:17, Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net> כתב/ה:

I installed the yanmar 73 hp. I was considering the 54 as it did not have a
turbo and there is a generator pack offered for this motor by yanmar. You only
need 28 hp to cruise at 6.5 knots. The generator pack is only offered in
Europe,

not the USA, where I am located. It is pretty slick, as it slides in between
the

flywheel of the engine and the transmission. It only adds about 3" or so to the

length of the motor assembly. It is can put out up to 5 or 6 kw. I had the
4-154

with a Hurth mechanical trans. The installation was easy. I used the same trans

and adapter plate from the 4-154, and since the rear motor mounts are on the
trans and adapter, it simplified alignment issues. I can send you pictures
directly to your email if you want that shows the installation, motor mounts,
exhaust etc. You can pull the old motor straight out by just removing the
engine

hatch, and install the new one the same. The work is really in cleaning up the
engine room itself. I went with the 73 hp as I could not get the gen pack, and
figured extra power could not hurt, especially since I installed a 320 amp
alternator. Love the motor, it is smaller in size, with an increase of
efficiency of about 18 to 20%. I did the entire install myself.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: jochenh1109 <jochen@jwhofmann.de>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 11:07:10 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu repower


Hello dear forum members,

Our Blue Song finally needs a new Diesel, and we'll have to have it installed
down here in Grenada.

Who of the fellow Maramu owners have gone through that exercise, what new
engine

did you install (or have installed) and why did you choose that specific motor,

how painful was the exercise, how happy are you with your new engine ?

We are presently considering a Cummins (but that is a 3.3 ltr, 65 HP engine -
fuel consumption....) or a 52 HP Yanmar (is that enough HP, it is a bit less
than our old Perkins 4154).

ANY useful comment/suggestion/hint will be appreciated, there is so much you
can

do wrong as I have read in various cruisers forums

Thanks in advance and fair winds

Jochen
s/v Blue Song
Maramu #143

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Re: [Amel] Re: Wind Generator on an AMEL 54

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

We have the same basic system as Miles on our SM 209 and it works very well. IF
we had to we'd do the same again..
Richard on SM 209 For Sale in Annapolis






________________________________
From: milesbidwell <mbidwell@attglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 10:07:50 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Wind Generator on an AMEL 54




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, xygakis <no_reply@...> wrote:

I would like to install a six kilo Air Breeze wind generator on top of the
mizzen mast.


Is there anyone who has already made such an installation and who could give me
all details about the necessary support post of this installation?


With thanks in advance

Anthony
Anthony,

I have an Air X on my mizzen and it has served me well. I installed an Air
Marine about 11 years ago in Trinidad and replaced it with the much quieter Air
X about 5 years ago. It produces up to 400 watts in a stiff breeze and will run
everything on the boat. In conditions when the wind is in the 20+ knot range, I
don't have to run the generator at all. On average, I estimate that it
reduces my generator hours by over half.


I mounted it on an aluminum pole on top of the mizzen. The pole is welded to a
base the same size as the top of the mizzen, with 4 gussets at the base to add
strength. I mounted the whole thing on a piece of hard rubber (that was
intended to go around a dock post in the harbor) the was also the size of the
top of the mizzen. I attached it to the mizzen with 6 bolts that are in hard
rubber tubes (from a car front strut) and have hard rubber disks (also from a
car suspension) isolating the bolt heads and nuts—rather like small engine
mounts. After 11 years, the mount has required no maintenance.


If you install one, it is important to use a large enough wire size. I added an
ammeter and on/off switch and mounted it in the locker over the pilot
berth—which is along the path of the wire to the batteries.


Miles

SM 216 LADYBUG

Newport, RI







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