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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection

Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
 

The responce from the Engineer that installed my Auto pilot to the B&G network system is attached. I had to send my Hydra back as it does not talk to Nema. The Network model does. Feel free to e mail larry if he can help you Good luck

Note: forwarded message attached.


NMEA 0183

hns154es <hns154es@...>
 

Dear Richard, Gottschalk and John

Thanks to all of you for helping us, to connect NMEA of the B&G
Hydra 2 to the other instruments. Once you know how it works, it is
easy:

As a resume of all your infos: The NMEA FFD is used to connect the
Hydra 2 system to a NMEA device. To do this, the NMEA FFD has a 9
core cable of which brown, blue and violet are used for NMEA.

NMEA Input Signal - Brown
NMEA Input Return - Blue

NMEA Output Signal - Violet
NMEA Output Ground - Black

Safe sailing to all of you
und immer eine handbreit Wasser unter dem Kiel :-)

Hanspeter & Nathalie Wehrli
Sm #158 "NatHape"
http://nathape.sailingsite.org


Re: NMEA 183 Connection

John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
 

I connected the ST7000 to the B&G in order to display true wind info
on the B&G using heading info from the Raytheon fluxgate compass.
This may not be want you want but see message 155 which contained
advice from B&G Technical Dept and was very
helpful.
John.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "hns154es" <hns154es@y...>
wrote:
Hello to all

Maybe somebody can help us. We've connected the NMEA 183 "out"
from the
Garmin GPS to the Autopilot ST 7000 "in". This works fine. Now, we
also
would like to connect the NMEA 183 "out" from B&G Hydra2 to the
Autopilot "in". It seams not to be as easy. Has someone done this
already? We'd appreciate if you could give us the correct advice
to do
that. It is easy on the autopilot side. The big question is the
B&G
Hydra2 side.

Thanks for helping us and
best regards

Hanspeter & Nathalie Wehrli
SM 158, SY "NatHape", Panama


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection

Franz Gans
 

Hallo Hanspeter,
die Formatierung der letzten mail hat nicht geklappt, daher diesmal die Belegung im Anhang!!

ist eigentlich kein Problem.
Ich bin leider nicht an bord und erinnere mich nicht genau.
Es gibt entweder beim FFD oder am "Computer" einen Ausgang mit NMEA
Ich glaube es war am FFD ?? ;-))
In der Betriebsanleitung ist das ersichtlich.
Ich habe alles (GPS, Radar, Autopilot Bedienteil, Autopilot Raytheon Computer, B&G und Notebook über einen Multiplexer vernetzt.
Das kann aber etwas Probleme machen und die Übertragungsrate wegen der vielen Daten ausbremsen.
Hier in der Anlage die Belegung des FFD. damit sollte eigentlich alles klar sein (im Anhang).

Es macht natürlich keinen Sinn die Daten eines Gerätes, die im Multiplexer mit anderen zusammengefügt werden wieder an das Ausgangsgerät zu schicken!!
Da muß man ev. am Multiplexer die Daten-Eingänge und Ausgänge umprogrammieren, so daß nur die richtigen Daten zum jeweiligen Gerät kommen.
Oder man nimmt eine direkte Verbindung vom sendenden Gerät zum empfangenden unter Umgehung des Multiplexers. An einem Datenausgang können sicher zwei bis drei Geräte angeschlossen werden.

Gruß Gottschalk

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection

Franz Gans
 

Hallo Hanspeter,
ist eigentlich kein Problem.
Ich bin leider nicht an bord und erinnere mich nicht genau.
Es gibt entweder beim FFD oder am "Computer" einen Ausgang mit NMEA
Ich glaube es war am FFD ?? ;-))
In der Betriebsanleitung ist das ersichtlich.
Ich habe alles (GPS, Radar, Autopilot Bedienteil, Autopilot Raytheon Computer, B&G und Notebook über einen Multiplexer vernetzt.
Das kann aber etwas Probleme machenm und die Übertragungsrate wegen der vielen Daten ausbremsen.
Hier in der Anlage die Belegung des FFD. damit sollte eigentlich alles klar sein

NMEA- Full-Funktion-Anzeige (NMEA-FFD) -elektrischer Installationsplan
Kabel des NMEA-FFD

(Funktion)
FFD-Kabel

Aderfarben
System-

Datenbus
NMEA-

Eingang
NMEA-

Ausgang
Fernbedien

taste

Network-Daten -ve

Network-Daten+ve

Abschirmung

Masse

Spannung +ve

NMEA-Eingang (Signal)

NMEA-Eingang(Return)

NMEA-Ausgang (Signal)

Fernbedientaster
grün

weiss

Schirmung

schwarz

rot

braun

blau

violett

gelb
grün

weiss

Schirmun

schwarz

rot










rot

blau







Schirmun
blau







rot







blau









braun


Achtung (zur Installation):

a.. Ein NMEA-FFD kann an jedem Punkt des System-Network-Datenbus angeschlossen werden. Sinnvoller Weise montiert man dieses jedoch immer in der Nähe des über NMEA zu verbindenden Gerätes (GPS), um die Kabelwege der NMEA-Datenleitung zu minimieren.
a.. Es können mehrere NMEA-FFD"s in einem System betrieben werden; dieses bietet dann die Möglichkeit, verschiedene weitere NMEA-fähige Geräte einzuspielen (Decca, Loran usw.).
a.. NMEA-FFD's können in der Kombination mit allen anderen Anzeigentypen betrieben werden (Standard FFD, Jumboanzeigen, Halcyon-Display, Pilot-FFD).
Abgeschirmte Kabel:

a.. Es werden abgeschirmte Kabel bei den Geräten benutzt, um ungewollte Einstörungen in das System zu verhindern (EMC Vorschrift) und diese müssen nach diesen Anleitungen auch installiert werden!
a.. Die Abschirmungen von NMEA-Kabeln müssen auf der "sendenden"-Seite aufgelegt werden!
a.. Die Abschirmung des NMEA-Ausgangskabels sollte in der Anschlussbox mit den anderen Abschirmungen verbunden werden.
Abschlusswiderstand (Network-Terminator):

Sollte das NMEA-FFD das letzte in der Datenbus-Leitung installierte Display sein, so ist hier der Abschlusswiderstand zwischen die weisse und die grüne Ader zu setzen! Nur zwei Widerstände pro System werden benötigt!

Ich habe das auf deutsch geschrieben ist vielleicht für beide leichter.

Gruß Gottschalk

----- Original Message -----
From: Hanspeter Wehrli
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection


Hi Richard
Thanks for your fast answer. Unfortunately there is a misunderstanding (my English is too bad sorry). We have a NMEA multiplexer, but we can't find out where the connection is on the side of the B&G Hydra2. Do we need to add a component to the B&G or is there a possibility to connect the wire for the NMEA out + Ground directly to the B&G processor unit?.
Regards
Hanspeter


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection

Hanspeter Wehrli <hns154es@...>
 

Hi Richard
Thanks for your fast answer. Unfortunately there is a misunderstanding (my English is too bad sorry). We have a NMEA multiplexer, but we can't find out where the connection is on the side of the B&G Hydra2. Do we need to add a component to the B&G or is there a possibility to connect the wire for the NMEA out + Ground directly to the B&G processor unit?.
Regards
Hanspeter

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Tomlinson
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection


You can't just connect two differing NMEA streams together nad hope that the
receiving instrument will correctly interpret them. You need to connect them
to an NMEA multiplexer first.


>From: "hns154es" <hns154es@...>
>Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
>To: amelyachtowners@...
>Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:03:29 -0000
>
>Hello to all
>
>Maybe somebody can help us. We've connected the NMEA 183 "out" from the
>Garmin GPS to the Autopilot ST 7000 "in". This works fine. Now, we also
>would like to connect the NMEA 183 "out" from B&G Hydra2 to the
>Autopilot "in". It seams not to be as easy. Has someone done this
>already? We'd appreciate if you could give us the correct advice to do
>that. It is easy on the autopilot side. The big question is the B&G
>Hydra2 side.
>
>Thanks for helping us and
>best regards
>
>Hanspeter & Nathalie Wehrli
>SM 158, SY "NatHape", Panama
>
>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection

rjct2002
 

You can't just connect two differing NMEA streams together nad hope that the receiving instrument will correctly interpret them. You need to connect them to an NMEA multiplexer first.


From: "hns154es" <hns154es@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] NMEA 183 Connection
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:03:29 -0000

Hello to all

Maybe somebody can help us. We've connected the NMEA 183 "out" from the
Garmin GPS to the Autopilot ST 7000 "in". This works fine. Now, we also
would like to connect the NMEA 183 "out" from B&G Hydra2 to the
Autopilot "in". It seams not to be as easy. Has someone done this
already? We'd appreciate if you could give us the correct advice to do
that. It is easy on the autopilot side. The big question is the B&G
Hydra2 side.

Thanks for helping us and
best regards

Hanspeter & Nathalie Wehrli
SM 158, SY "NatHape", Panama

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NMEA 183 Connection

hns154es <hns154es@...>
 

Hello to all

Maybe somebody can help us. We've connected the NMEA 183 "out" from the
Garmin GPS to the Autopilot ST 7000 "in". This works fine. Now, we also
would like to connect the NMEA 183 "out" from B&G Hydra2 to the
Autopilot "in". It seams not to be as easy. Has someone done this
already? We'd appreciate if you could give us the correct advice to do
that. It is easy on the autopilot side. The big question is the B&G
Hydra2 side.

Thanks for helping us and
best regards

Hanspeter & Nathalie Wehrli
SM 158, SY "NatHape", Panama


SM for Sale

PFM53 <pfm53@...>
 

Hi all

I had announced my intent to sell "PFM" (SM #133) awhile back, and I received
several inquiries. But with work, travel, and a home remodel, I did not have
the information together. I have finally completed putting the information
together. She is currently lying in Trinidad, and is definitely FOR SALE.

You can see pictures and get the information on the web site
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Outhaul

John and Anne Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Hello again,
This subject is being flogged to death! The contact glue is probably
Evostik. Used to fix laminates to kitchen work tops etc. Much loved by
teenage gluesniffers. Obviously it makes a good emergency solution. Perhaps
that product used to stop fanbelts slipping would also work.
I suggested kevlar rope as it worked when we had a problem in Turkey. It
had to be sent in from Istambul to the huge marina at Marmaris and even
then only 12mm. was available. Since then I have bought a replacement in
the UK to keep as a spare, it is 10mm. Spectra which is even more stretch
resistant than kevlar and I had the chandlery put an eye splice in one end,
incidentally the ends are melted neatly so perhaps it is similar to the New
England product which is nt available in Europe.
Unfortunately different manufacturers have different names for products
which are probably virtually identical.

Regards from Sicily, Anne and
John


ARC-2005

Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

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TMD22a

erik ortel
 

Can anyone share their experiences with the fuel injector pump (mine is a Bosch, I believe) on the "Volvo" TMD 22a. It appears mine is not achieving the approprate psi.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
 

Hi Willem,

by adhesive I mean a contact glue. The type that you apply normally to both
surfaces, allow to dry for about 15 minutes then press together. A common
brand in the UK is called Bostik, though on Crusader I have a tin of
something else, but I forget its name. I guess they are all much the same.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Ian

-------Original Message-------

From: Willem J. Kroes
Date: 09/24/05 18:03:08
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul


Hello Ian,

I am interested in what you mean with 'adhesive' Is that 'glue' or another
product? will you be so kind to mention me a brand?

Wille be much obliged!

Best winds,

Willem J. Kroes

Amel Santorin "Kavanga"
----- Original Message -----
From: <ocean53@...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul


No problem Bob. As you know,when you 'are out there' and things go wrong,
you
have to improvise if you don't have the part, and the adhesive I found
worked
very well.

Incidentally I have found the same problem with the main sheet traveller
at
times. The rope seems to shrink and stretch with the climate and if you
tighten
the rope too much, it can be tough to move the traveller when the rope
shrinks.
So I keep it on the slack side and stop it slipping with a little
adhesive. It
may help me keep sailing a few years longer!

All the best

Ian

Quoting minaxi53 <no_reply@...>:

Thanks to all for thoughts on outhaul problem. Ian, as always you
seem to cook up an alternative to the norm, I will try that, thanx
Bob-









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

Willem J. Kroes <willem.j.kroes@...>
 

Hello Ian,

I am interested in what you mean with 'adhesive' Is that 'glue' or another product? will you be so kind to mention me a brand?

Wille be much obliged!

Best winds,

Willem J. Kroes

Amel Santorin "Kavanga"

----- Original Message -----
From: <ocean53@...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul


No problem Bob. As you know,when you 'are out there' and things go wrong, you
have to improvise if you don't have the part, and the adhesive I found worked
very well.

Incidentally I have found the same problem with the main sheet traveller at
times. The rope seems to shrink and stretch with the climate and if you tighten
the rope too much, it can be tough to move the traveller when the rope shrinks.
So I keep it on the slack side and stop it slipping with a little adhesive. It
may help me keep sailing a few years longer!

All the best

Ian

Quoting minaxi53 <no_reply@...>:

Thanks to all for thoughts on outhaul problem. Ian, as always you
seem to cook up an alternative to the norm, I will try that, thanx
Bob-









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

ocean53@...
 

No problem Bob. As you know,when you 'are out there' and things go wrong, you
have to improvise if you don't have the part, and the adhesive I found worked
very well.

Incidentally I have found the same problem with the main sheet traveller at
times. The rope seems to shrink and stretch with the climate and if you tighten
the rope too much, it can be tough to move the traveller when the rope shrinks.
So I keep it on the slack side and stop it slipping with a little adhesive. It
may help me keep sailing a few years longer!

All the best

Ian

Quoting minaxi53 <no_reply@...>:

Thanks to all for thoughts on outhaul problem. Ian, as always you
seem to cook up an alternative to the norm, I will try that, thanx
Bob-





Re: Outhaul

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks to all for thoughts on outhaul problem. Ian, as always you
seem to cook up an alternative to the norm, I will try that, thanx
Bob-


-- In amelyachtowners@..., ocean53@s... wrote:
Hi All,

a simple fix for a slipping outhaul rope that I have found works
well is to
paint the rope with a coat of contact adhesive. Only the part that
runs around
the capstan needs to be painted of course. Since doing this, I
have never had
the rope slip.

Just back in the UK for a few days to go and see the Amel 54 after
a Black Sea
crusie to Bulgaria & Romania.

Regards

Ian Shepherd 'Crusader' SM 414

-------Original Message-------

From: Krassopoulos Dimitris
Date: 09/23/05 07:44:34
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul

Dear All,

I had a similar problem in Greece. I bought a normal rope and it
was
extended by on meter ( 3 feet) after a few days of use. I ordered
from Amel
the original rope but it also extended slightly 15 cm after use
and I was
able to take the it in in order to tight the rope. The rope has
to be very
tight any slack will make the system useless.

Best Regards


Dimitris Krassopoulos




Mobile GSM: +306944302318
Email: dkra@a... <mailto:dkra@a...>
Web: www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr/>


Outhaul

ocean53@...
 

Hi All,

a simple fix for a slipping outhaul rope that I have found works well is to
paint the rope with a coat of contact adhesive. Only the part that runs around
the capstan needs to be painted of course. Since doing this, I have never had
the rope slip.

Just back in the UK for a few days to go and see the Amel 54 after a Black Sea
crusie to Bulgaria & Romania.

Regards

Ian Shepherd 'Crusader' SM 414

-------Original Message-------

From: Krassopoulos Dimitris
Date: 09/23/05 07:44:34
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul

Dear All,

I had a similar problem in Greece. I bought a normal rope and it was
extended by on meter ( 3 feet) after a few days of use. I ordered from Amel
the original rope but it also extended slightly 15 cm after use and I was
able to take the it in in order to tight the rope. The rope has to be very
tight any slack will make the system useless.

Best Regards


Dimitris Krassopoulos




Mobile GSM: +306944302318
Email: dkra@... <mailto:dkra@...>
Web: www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr/>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul

Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

Dear All,

I had a similar problem in Greece. I bought a normal rope and it was
extended by on meter ( 3 feet) after a few days of use. I ordered from Amel
the original rope but it also extended slightly 15 cm after use and I was
able to take the it in in order to tight the rope. The rope has to be very
tight any slack will make the system useless.

Best Regards


Dimitris Krassopoulos




Mobile GSM: +306944302318
Email: dkra@... <mailto:dkra@...>
Web: www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr/>










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From: eric [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul


John,

If you will look at your outhaul line, you will see it has been melted at
the ends. Kevlar does not melt. I originally thought mine was also Kevlar
and the jacket slipped over the core. I brought a piece to New England ropes
and they said it was closest to their endura braid. I have been using this
for over a season and it works fine.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of John and Anne Hollamby
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul



The outhaul line has to be kevlar. It is not readily available in most
places and the prudent yachtie will carry some against the time that it is
needed. Anything less will stretch and slip.

Regards, John



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul

eric freedman
 

John,

If you will look at your outhaul line, you will see it has been melted at
the ends. Kevlar does not melt. I originally thought mine was also Kevlar
and the jacket slipped over the core. I brought a piece to New England ropes
and they said it was closest to their endura braid. I have been using this
for over a season and it works fine.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of John and Anne Hollamby
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul



The outhaul line has to be kevlar. It is not readily available in most
places and the prudent yachtie will carry some against the time that it is
needed. Anything less will stretch and slip.

Regards, John



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Outhaul

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

From experience one of the key factors is how you
attach the line to the car. I secure the outhaul end
(the end which is under tension when the sail is
out)with a knot - fisherman's bend is favourite
because it doesn't slip - and sew or whip the "loose"
end for extra security. I then take the weight on
that end so I have maximum slack to tie the other end.
You can't work a fisherman's bent tight enough so use
a round turn and two half hitches, pulling up as tight
as you can and whipping or sewing the end. I have
been amazed at how much a knot will give when load is
repeatedly applied and released.

Robin.



--- John and Anne Hollamby <hollamby@...>
wrote:


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The outhaul line has to be kevlar. It is not readily
available in most
places and the prudent yachtie will carry some against
the time that it is
needed. Anything less will stretch and slip.

Regards, John


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