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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain

amelforme
 

Dear Amel Owners,

Not meaning to or wanting to pick on my friend and seasoned sailor Bill Atz,
but be EXTREMELY CAREFUL about deciding to use stainless steel chain. It
isn't as strong as high test but, more importantly, it is much more brittle
and prone to shock load failure and work-hardening failure. It's pretty and
doesn't rust...but breaks more often.

On older Super Maramus we used 8mm which is about 5/16". Now we use 10mm
and I advise owners of older boats to upgrade to this size. I believe the
windlass distributor IMTRA (www.imtra.com) offers the correct size gypsy for
proper fit.

Hope this helps.

Joel F. Potter
Hull # 400 "MARY BROWN"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill & Sara Atz [mailto:WCZ4455@...]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain


--- In amelyachtowners@..., pagandaisy <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> I am about to purchase new anchor chain in the States to ship down
to
> my 9 year old SM in the Caribbean. M. Selo says 8mm was installed
> when the boat was purchased. This is approximately 5/16" I
believe.
> I know link sizes are different between BBB & High Test. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Arnold Grubin

Arnold, It seems that many boats here in the Caribbean are buying
stainless steel chain in either Trinidad or Venezuela. The price is
still more than galvanized, but much less than SS in the US, and
once you buy it, you shouldn't need to buy again. I can't quote you
exact prices, but I can get you the Trinidad price with a simple
phone call if you wish; just let me know. Bill on Lady Sadie


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain

Hanspeter B├Ąttig <hanspeter.baettig@...>
 

Hi Bill

I'm sailed my SM for 2 Years in the Caribs and Venezuela and also more then 8 Years in the Med and Red Sea.
Amel told me altime that 50 m of 8 mm galva. chain is enough, but I use very succesfully 60 m of still galvan but 10 mm chain. Never changed this since 8 Years and no rost!
Stainless anchor chain is still to expensive withe no advantage.
Greetings from Switzerland
Hanspeter
SM#16

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill & Sara Atz
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain


--- In amelyachtowners@..., pagandaisy <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> I am about to purchase new anchor chain in the States to ship down
to
> my 9 year old SM in the Caribbean. M. Selo says 8mm was installed
> when the boat was purchased. This is approximately 5/16" I
believe.
> I know link sizes are different between BBB & High Test. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Arnold Grubin

Arnold, It seems that many boats here in the Caribbean are buying
stainless steel chain in either Trinidad or Venezuela. The price is
still more than galvanized, but much less than SS in the US, and
once you buy it, you shouldn't need to buy again. I can't quote you
exact prices, but I can get you the Trinidad price with a simple
phone call if you wish; just let me know. Bill on Lady Sadie


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Re: anchor chain

Bill & Sara Atz <WCZ4455@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., pagandaisy <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
I am about to purchase new anchor chain in the States to ship down
to
my 9 year old SM in the Caribbean. M. Selo says 8mm was installed
when the boat was purchased. This is approximately 5/16" I
believe.
I know link sizes are different between BBB & High Test. Any
suggestions?

Arnold Grubin
Arnold, It seems that many boats here in the Caribbean are buying
stainless steel chain in either Trinidad or Venezuela. The price is
still more than galvanized, but much less than SS in the US, and
once you buy it, you shouldn't need to buy again. I can't quote you
exact prices, but I can get you the Trinidad price with a simple
phone call if you wish; just let me know. Bill on Lady Sadie

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane System Update

DHession@...
 

Bob, on Hanalei:

We have a 1989 Maramu, straight from France, and had to convert the existing
butane system to AYBA propane standard. I would describe how we did this; but
I'm not familiar with the Santorin layout.

If you'd like to know what we did and how we did it, reply direct or via the
group.

Dennis, on Marion

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane System Update

Willem J. Kroes <w.kroes@...>
 

Hi Bob,

I also own a Santorin (1992) "Kavanga" and updated the propane system
recently. A friend made for me a stainless steel locker for 2 aluminium
propane bottles (6 kg propane each). The locker is situated in the rear
locker (where also the old small locker was situated) with the long side
against the bulhead and the head of the propane locker close to the starbord
side wooden construction. The locker is about 0,5 metre from the bottom on a
support. There is also a hose from the starbord rear side of the bottom of
the locker to the corner of the last step of the stern with a vent fitting..
I also installed a solenoid (Trident bought from West Marine) with a control
panel. Installation was straight forward: I pulled 1 wire throufh the pipe
from the locker leading to the charting area,. From there 50 cm back through
the second pipe leading to the corner of the corridor area.. The most
difficult part was to direct the wire through the pipe leading to the
overhead cable area close to the galley. I installed the conrol panel
adjacent to the AC panel on the aft bulkhead on the port side. The power
connection was fixed through one of the circuitbreakers of the DC panel.
So I ended with a switch on the control panel that gives a green light as
power is on the wire in the rear locker. To connect the solenoid at the low
pressure side of the regulator in the propane locker is easy.

I installed the new propane system in June and after a vacation of 6 weeks
to Norway I am still on the first propane bottle of 6 kg.

Best Regards,

Willem J. Kroes
Amel Santorin "Kavanga"
home port: Zaandam, The Netherlands

----- Original Message -----
From: "rossirossix4" <equinoxsolstice@...>
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propane System Update


Based on a pre-purchase marine survey of my recently acquired 1993
Santorin, and a resulting requirment from my insurance company, I
have been asked to update its propane system. It presently has a
sealed propane locker but no solenoid at the propane tank and an
intermediate valve in the galley. The requirement is to add a
solenoid, to add a pressure test valve, and make the hose continuous
from the solenoid to the flex that feeds the stove. Does anyone
have experience or insights to share with me regarding the "right"
and easiest way to do this? Is it difficult to remove and replace
the existing feed with a continuous one? Thanks, Bob on Hanalei.



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anchor chain

pagandaisy <no_reply@...>
 

I am about to purchase new anchor chain in the States to ship down to
my 9 year old SM in the Caribbean. M. Selo says 8mm was installed
when the boat was purchased. This is approximately 5/16" I believe.
I know link sizes are different between BBB & High Test. Any
suggestions?

Arnold Grubin

Propane System Update

rossirossix4 <equinoxsolstice@...>
 

Based on a pre-purchase marine survey of my recently acquired 1993
Santorin, and a resulting requirment from my insurance company, I
have been asked to update its propane system. It presently has a
sealed propane locker but no solenoid at the propane tank and an
intermediate valve in the galley. The requirement is to add a
solenoid, to add a pressure test valve, and make the hose continuous
from the solenoid to the flex that feeds the stove. Does anyone
have experience or insights to share with me regarding the "right"
and easiest way to do this? Is it difficult to remove and replace
the existing feed with a continuous one? Thanks, Bob on Hanalei.

Transatlantic Speed Record smashed today

Zanareva
 

Ok, this isn't specific to Amels, but we're all sailors so I thought
everyone would be interested!

Today Mari-Cha IV shattered several sailing speed records. The 140
foot all carbon fiber schooner crossed the Atlantic in 6 days, 17
hours, 52 minutes--beating the existing record by over 2 days. Mari
Cha IV also set the 24 hour distance record sailing 525 nautical
miles! Check out all the news and great photos at
http://www.maricha4.com

Richard
SM "Spice"

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Problem

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@...
<
Hi Stephan,
The stuff we used was bought Down Under and was called Knead-it. The
Evercote Everfix Epoxy Stick listed in Westmarines catalogue must be the
same. WM say "Handles like modelling clay, bonds like epoxy and hardens
like steel in 20 minutes".
It does and it was still perfect when we got rid of the Oyster five years
later!!
Best wishes Anne and John Bali Hai SM 319

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Problem

Stephan Regulinski
 

Anne and John,

Thank you so much! I actually had to try this twice since my tube of
epoxy was old and would not set up even after 30 hrs. I cleaned it
off and replaced with Marine Tex grey which set up nicely in about 6
hours.

Next question: how long did this repair work for you? I am
cautiously using the head now and nervous about wether the bonding
will survive bouncing around in heavy seas.

Note to other SM owners: the aft head fiberglass pan has two holes
in it in the vacinity of the ball valve. If any of the holding-tank
plumbing leaks, the waste goes down these holes and then has be
cleaned out from UNDER the shower pan (yuck!!). I used plumber's
putty to seal the hole for the tube from the macerater and adhesive-
backed foam to seal the cover plate for the access hole. For me,
this was closing the barn door after the horse was out . . . but for
some of you . . .

Stephan
Delos (SMM #303)

[Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tank Problem

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@...
<
As the ex-owners of a very leaky Oyster we have lots of experience in this
area. Get some waterproof epoxy which comes in a clear plastic tube about
one inch in diameter. Sand the affected area to form a key and knead some
of the epoxy which then is like plasticene. Mould it around the leaky area
and problem solved.

Regards from Anne and John Bali Hai SM319

Re: Liferaft

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Windslow now offers this feature on new purchases. I am not sure if
they offer this on existing liferafts, but you can call them and find
out.

Vito

Wanderer

ASM#283

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Stephan Regulinski"
<stephreg@y...> wrote:
How did you get it vacuum packed?

Stephan
Delos (SMM #303)


--- In amelyachtowners@..., asm283 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
Hi All

After some research on life rafts, I found that the best solution
for
my particular needs was a windlow 6 Man offshore unit for the
following reasons.

1-It is consistently rated #1 by the sailing publications.

2-It weighs about 75 lbs in the soft case. Enabling most crew
members
to lift it out of the liferaft locker and deploy.

3-The life raft can be vacum packed (making it even smaller).
This
extends your service time to at least 3 years and on a passage it
can
be stores on deck without worry of water intrusion. Also you can
use
most of the storage space unserneath the life raft locker.

4-Windslow was a good company to deal with. If you take into
consideration what you get and the money you save by servicing
every
3 years the price is not too bad.

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer #283

Re: Liferaft

Stephan Regulinski
 

How did you get it vacuum packed?

Stephan
Delos (SMM #303)


--- In amelyachtowners@..., asm283 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
Hi All

After some research on life rafts, I found that the best solution
for
my particular needs was a windlow 6 Man offshore unit for the
following reasons.

1-It is consistently rated #1 by the sailing publications.

2-It weighs about 75 lbs in the soft case. Enabling most crew
members
to lift it out of the liferaft locker and deploy.

3-The life raft can be vacum packed (making it even smaller). This
extends your service time to at least 3 years and on a passage it
can
be stores on deck without worry of water intrusion. Also you can
use
most of the storage space unserneath the life raft locker.

4-Windslow was a good company to deal with. If you take into
consideration what you get and the money you save by servicing
every
3 years the price is not too bad.

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer #283

Liferaft

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All

After some research on life rafts, I found that the best solution for
my particular needs was a windlow 6 Man offshore unit for the
following reasons.

1-It is consistently rated #1 by the sailing publications.

2-It weighs about 75 lbs in the soft case. Enabling most crew members
to lift it out of the liferaft locker and deploy.

3-The life raft can be vacum packed (making it even smaller). This
extends your service time to at least 3 years and on a passage it can
be stores on deck without worry of water intrusion. Also you can use
most of the storage space unserneath the life raft locker.

4-Windslow was a good company to deal with. If you take into
consideration what you get and the money you save by servicing every
3 years the price is not too bad.

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer #283

Re: Varnishing

kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
 

what do you do about small dings in the interior where i have
dropped things on the varnished surfaces?
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite



--- In amelyachtowners@..., Mike Gough <mahili_au@y...>
wrote:
Hi Delores,

We share a similar problem, our Maramu is 19 years old and some of
the interior needs attention. I am sorry I cannot answer your
questions except to say that varnish is probably not the way to go.
A furniture manufacturer could point you in the right direction,

Regs,
Mike Gough

stargazer41amel <no_reply@...> wrote:
Has anyone attempted to varnish over or repair the original
factory
applied varnish? I understand from the Amel factory that the
varnish
is a sprayed 2 part polyurethane finish. It is very hard finish
and
has held up well for the 16 year old vessel we have. But there
are
areas that need repairing and I am really concerned how difficult
it
is to deal with the existing finish. I was able to refinish the
floors, exterior trims and interior steps beautifully but they had
a
different varnish finish. Any knowledgable help in this area will
be
greatly appreciated. Delores Carter


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Varnishing

Mike Gough <mahili_au@...>
 

Hi Delores,

We share a similar problem, our Maramu is 19 years old and some of the interior needs attention. I am sorry I cannot answer your questions except to say that varnish is probably not the way to go. A furniture manufacturer could point you in the right direction,

Regs,
Mike Gough

stargazer41amel <no_reply@...> wrote:
Has anyone attempted to varnish over or repair the original factory
applied varnish? I understand from the Amel factory that the varnish
is a sprayed 2 part polyurethane finish. It is very hard finish and
has held up well for the 16 year old vessel we have. But there are
areas that need repairing and I am really concerned how difficult it
is to deal with the existing finish. I was able to refinish the
floors, exterior trims and interior steps beautifully but they had a
different varnish finish. Any knowledgable help in this area will be
greatly appreciated. Delores Carter


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Holding Tank Problem

Stephan Regulinski
 

Does anyone have any experience repairing a holding tank? On my SMM
the aft tank has developed a leak in the copper exit tube glassed
into the tank. (A white 1.5 inch hose connect this tube to the ball
valve at the hull.) A small crack has appeared at the edge of the
fibreglass on the outside . . . viewable only with a mirror! (ugh!)

Stephan
Delos (SMM #303)

Re: Companionway Hatch & Liferafts

kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
 

thanks for the bolt idea.

with respect to life rafts.
i was concerned about water getting into the locker and rotting the
raft.
I made a grid of 2x4 in the bottom of the locker to keep all the
emergency stuff hi and dry.
fair winds,
eric
'


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John Martin"
<jjmartin24@h...> wrote:
To Eric on Kimberlite - To make your companionway door "quick
opening and closing", screw a sliding barrel bolt under the 2x4
board on top of the hatch. Place the receiving end on the
bulkhead. If you grind off the locking part of the bolt it makes it
easier to slide the bolt in place. You really don't need to the
lock the sliding bolt as you're only using it to hold the hatch up.

On liferafts - when the previous owner of my boat had the life
raft serviced they put the lifting handle on the opposite end of the
pull ring of the raft, thus the pull ring end sat on the locker
floor. Consequently in one year with a little moisture in the
bottom of the locker the entire aluminum pull ring had
disintegrated, and the moisture had ruined the cannister inside. I
had the unit serviced and the lifting handle put on the same UP side
as the pull ring. I also put a heavy duty rubber mat (like a front
door mat) in the bottom of the locker so the raft would not sit
directly on any water that might be on the bottom of the locker. I
now also open the locker now and then on a hot day to air the
compartment out.

Also on liferafts - I was on Vito's "Wanderer" (AMS 283) the other
day and he was showing me his new vacuum packed 6-man raft. It only
needs to be serviced every 5 years and it is so light that one man
can pick it up. Perfect for the Amel owner with deep pockets !

Regards

John Martin
SM 248 "Moon Dog"


Liferafts

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

The Avon 8 person liferaft on my last boat was OK when serviced at 12 years
in Fiji but the top tube was full of tiny leaks when it was tested in
Australia. My current raft is a six person model in a GRP box mounted in a
quick release cradle on the back of the pushpit.
I had the port side of the pushpit altered as I did not like the huge
opening to allow a rubber dinghy to be easily fitted into he lazarette as
we have a 3.1 metre aluminium RIB which only weighs 37 kilos. We believe
that an 8 person raft is too big and too heavy. We also believe in
visiting the raft service centre to see the raft inflated and how it works!

Regards from Anne and John Hollamby, Bali Hai SM 319 in
Turkey

Companionway Hatch & Liferafts

John Martin <jjmartin24@...>
 

To Eric on Kimberlite - To make your companionway door "quick opening and closing", screw a sliding barrel bolt under the 2x4 board on top of the hatch. Place the receiving end on the bulkhead. If you grind off the locking part of the bolt it makes it easier to slide the bolt in place. You really don't need to the lock the sliding bolt as you're only using it to hold the hatch up.

On liferafts - when the previous owner of my boat had the life raft serviced they put the lifting handle on the opposite end of the pull ring of the raft, thus the pull ring end sat on the locker floor. Consequently in one year with a little moisture in the bottom of the locker the entire aluminum pull ring had disintegrated, and the moisture had ruined the cannister inside. I had the unit serviced and the lifting handle put on the same UP side as the pull ring. I also put a heavy duty rubber mat (like a front door mat) in the bottom of the locker so the raft would not sit directly on any water that might be on the bottom of the locker. I now also open the locker now and then on a hot day to air the compartment out.

Also on liferafts - I was on Vito's "Wanderer" (AMS 283) the other day and he was showing me his new vacuum packed 6-man raft. It only needs to be serviced every 5 years and it is so light that one man can pick it up. Perfect for the Amel owner with deep pockets !

Regards

John Martin
SM 248 "Moon Dog"