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Re: Leaking water heater
ofer magen
Thanks Arno, I will check it. After the replacement of the water heaters, I will open the leaking one . Regards, Ofer Magen
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Re: Insurance for a USA boat
Gary Golden
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Manifest Marine Out of Annapolis ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:38 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Headliner Amel 54
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Me too. I had understood that the problem was only with older boats, but obviously not the case. The thought of removing and re-doing these is very off-putting given the toxicity of the material.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: 28 February 2020 12:41 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner Amel 54
Hi everyone;
Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.
On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.
Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Insurance for a USA boat
eric freedman
I contacted Pantaenius about next year’s insurance. They said they lost their primary company and are cancelling all policies here. They will be acting as brokers to try to find me insurance. Has anyone else run into this problem and have you found a suitable insurance company? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: Bottom paint removal problem
Hi Mark, I wasn't aware of soda blasting so thanks for the new info! The equipment looks fairly cheap as does the blasting soda. Maybe you could just do it yourself if the yard allows it? You would need a way to contain the dust and old bottom paint being blasted off but heavy plastic or cloth drop cloths should work for that. Thank you, Justin Hopeful future SM/SM2k owner
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
-- Justin Paulsen IT Professional "The world is open, are you?"
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Re: Leaking water heater
Given the speed an frequency this is happening, you may want to check for galvanic corrosion. If the ground cable on your water-heater is somehow carrying a voltage potential this may cause accelerated corrosion of the tank, especially with the high temperatures inside the tank.
My water heater lasted about 10 years before a leak developed between the tank and the engine-cooling-water circuit resulting in water being pushed into the cooling circuit. The tank itself still looked very good. Also be aware sediment may accumulate inside the tank causing places where crevice corrosion can happing much faster. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV
Stuart Hemingway
Thank you Michael, That should be the next procedure to investigate . Confusingly the deck hose and the transum shower have good pressure.
On 27 Feb 2020, at 17:45, michael winand via Groups.Io <mfw642000@...> wrote:
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Re: Leaking water heater
ofer magen
Hi Craige, Thanks for your advice. Till now the people from the factory took the old boilers with them,and i couldn't check where in the tank the leak was. A new water heater was delivered, so this time I will check it. Regards, Ofer Magen
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Refrigerator install in dishwasher using original dishwasher shell
eric freedman
Hi, Here are some photos of my conversion. For some reason I can’t find a photo of the reefer complete. I installed a welded stainless steel tub inside the refrigerator. I will try to remember to take photos with the tub installed. The reefer keeps drinks incredibly cold and holds about 8- 6 packs of beverages, The photo of the thin circuit breaker mounted on an aluminum strip is for the reefer. I used the wires running from the AC panel to the dishwasher and this was a great spot to mount the breaker as it is so close to the AC panel. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix
Herbert Lackner
KALI MERA is from 1995 and still has the original headliner, no signs of getting loose. Does the new material look different? Can anyone post a picture from the old / new material?
fair winds, herbert SN120, KALI MERA, Mazatlan - Nautica Costa Bonita
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Re: Bottom paint removal problem
eric freedman
Hi, I had my bottom chemically stripped, 4 coats of Interprotect and 3 coats of bottom paint here in Huntington NY for 5,000 + materials. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 5:55 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem
Mark, I have many dry layers of paint and have wanted to get down to a clean hull. Do you remember what it cost. I got a quote of $6,000. for sand blasting in Rock Hall ,Md. Thanks, Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- As Doug said, it's not close to your desired location but there is a good company that does hull soda-blasting located at our marina Herrington Harbor North located in Deale, MD (~20 miles south of Annapolis) that has over 25 years experience soda blasting hulls and even some experience with Amels. I had them take our hull down to the gelcoat last winter. They did a very thorough yet careful job removing most of the remnants of ~15 years of various bottom paints. Just be sure to "remind" them that you have a cast iron keel. OSPREY MARINE COMPOSITES 301-261-9201 • 410-867-3022 • FX 301-261-5370 www.ospreycomposites.com • jj@... --
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Headliner Amel 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi everyone;
Since we are on the subject of the headliner issues on the older Amels, I’d like to address some issues we are having on our A54, hoping for a good solution from someone who has tackled it.
On Kokomo, we have certain areas, mainly in the corners and inside the cabinets in the master, that the headliner sags or the corners are peeling off. We can get it to reattach by sliding our hand on it and pushing it back up, but this will repeat, within a day or two. The amount of area of sag is not significant and mainly out of sight, so it has not been a priority. However, we would like to address it, before it becomes worse.
Anyone else had this issue? All suggestions, would be appreciated.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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Re: Headliner fix
James Alton
Joel,
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Thanks for checking your notes to see what you could find. As I have time, I will do some digging and if I can find out what Amel is now using that works. While the loose liner is a bit of an eyesore, at least this is not a problem that keeps me from sailing my boat, Amel seemed to do a good job on the things that matter the most. Best, James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Leaking water heater
Hi Ofer,
Do you know where the leakage was from, other than "the inside part of the water heater"? Having had 5 tanks fail in the 5 years since you got the boat is pretty amazing. Have you asked the factory or your mechanic what the problem has been? Was it the same for all 5 heaters? If you have an interest in chasing this down yourself you can take off the decorative SS jacket of a failed unit, then remove the insulation jacket, fill the tank and turn it on and perhaps see exactly where the "inside part" is leaking. You'll want it to get hot since it may only leak when it's hot. As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around". I did see a post on another db that Isotemp had to redesign the thermostat circuitry of the Basic model because the heating coil wasn't being shut off and that caused overheating that distorted the tank, but that doesn't sound like your issue. Years ago I had leakage from the bottom of my tank from pin holes of corrosion from particles of heating elements that had broken off when I replaced them. I cleaned them out and patched with JB Weld years ago. Certainly not your problem with brand new units repeatedly failing (mine is now 15 years old). Good luck with it, Craig Craig
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Re: Headliner fix
Just an FYI I have a 2008 54 and there is some saging in the headliner. the back is still sticky so with my hand it is easy to push back up but this needs doing about every month.
Courtney
trippin
54 #101
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From: James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2020 7:40 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix Miles and All,
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
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Re: Windvane advise
Miles
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I’m going to pursue the hydrovane and appreciate the setup photos. Many thanks Martin
On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:31 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:
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FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix
amelforme
Hello James. I did some digging around in old notes regarding Amel production during that time. The previous vinyl with the polyurethane foam was trade named Skai and still has a presence in the marine market according to a quick internet search. Perhaps they now make a marine vinyl with felt/cotton backing as the safety rules governing using polyurethane have changed over the years. If they have a suitable material, I’m sure the distributor could recommend an adhesive.
Sorry to say I could find no mention of the replacement material. I seem to recall someone at the shipyard in La Rochelle mentioning that it was Naugahyde, but that term gets used a lot generically and not always describing the exact brand of Naugahyde. I have used Naugahyde for other projects and it could be a good replacement if you can find a color-texture match. They were pretty strict when it comes to what adhesives to use and they only recommend their own branded adhesives.
During my digging, I found that quite possibly some boats from the 1995 production year may have used the new overhead as the exact break was loosely described as around 1996 production which means September 1995 forward. They still had some of the old headliner when the new arrived so….
Perhaps Olivier might know but beyond that, I’m out of luck.
Sorry not to be more helpful. Joel
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:00 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix
Joel,
Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996? Thanks for the background on this issue.
James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Headliner fix
James Alton
Miles and All, James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Bottom paint removal problem
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Mark,
I do wonder if there is much difference between soda and other dry materials. For what it's worth we had our hull cleaned with dry sand in the UK when the boat was 10 years old. The old paint was taken off within a few hours and the hull looked as though
it had just come out of the mould. So perfect was the gelcoat that it needed a light abrasion before a couple of layers of clear epoxy were put on. In our case that was sufficient as we then put on Coppercoat, itself an epoxy.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada, Greece
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...>
Sent: 25 February 2020 19:28 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003. Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint. The layer is now thick and a bit uneven. Having carefully examined the words of caution
on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island. The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently
very experienced with blasting boat bottoms.
Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored. Hinckley
recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats). My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact. I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island
(or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
Any suggestions for me? I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
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Re: Headliner fix
smiles bernard
I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon All the best Miles Maramu #162
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