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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir eing

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
Dimitri

Thank you for the information. Yes a picture of this setup would be
very helpfull. Maybe you can post it on this site.

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283


<dkra@p...> wrote:
The Amel Laptop option is a wooden tray above the chart table. This
tray can
be pushed back in order to hide completely the laptop or pulled
forward and
secured. Under the tray is a lamp in order to light the charts. On
the tray
is a plate of wood on which you fasten your laptop. This plate can
be also
secured by a screw from under the tray and it permits you to rotate
and pull
forward the laptop in order to have a better position of the
screen. If you
want I can send you a photo of the arrangement. It is simple but
very
useful. On the wooden plate I have fastened a replicator port of my
laptop
so I just place the laptop on this port and the GPS interface and
the power
supply are automatically plugged to the laptop through the port(
very easy
and fool proof). I believe that the car power supply (12V) to the
laptops
are damaging the internal laptop batteries so I prefer the 220 V
charger
through a heavy duty sine inverter who is also supplying the TV set.

In case you need more information, I will be glad to send . I will
try to
put some pictures also in my web site.

Dimitris Krassopoulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr>

-----Original Message-----
From: asm283 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM
electrical wir
eing


Dimitri

Can you eleaborate on what the Amel laptop option is.

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
<dkra@p...> wrote:
Dear Hanspeter,

I have on my SM an inverter installed that supplies both the
TV/Video and a
plug for the laptop at the chart table. Amel has very cleverly
installed a
plug/switch system and I can plug the systems directly to the
shore
in order
not to use the inverter if I wish . As the loads of the laptop
are
low you
can also supply a laptop in the front cabin.

I had the Amel laptop option which is excellent but I am
wondering
what do
you plan to do for the installation of the laptop in the front
cabin. The
next project will be a wireless lan I am studying it right now,

Regards

D.Krassopulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr
<http://www.almalibre.gr> >

-----Original Message-----
From: Hanspeter Battig [mailto:hanspeter.baettig@b...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical
wireing


Can anyone tell me how he installed his notebook in terms of the
electrical
supply. I need to connect 2 notebooks; one in a drawer under the
radar and
one in the foreward cabin for the children.
Is a e.g. 200 W converter (12V/220V the right choise. Were do you
connect
the 12 V, maybe from the television panel? Is a converter 24V to
220V
availabal on the market. I did not found one so far in
Switzerland.
Hanspeter Baettig
SM#16






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir eing

Szabo Geza <szabog@...>
 

Hi,

why do you think, that the supply will damage the internal batteries?

Cheers
Geza Szabo
http://rotorman.hu

-----Original Message-----
From: Krassopoulos Dimitris [mailto:dkra@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:43 AM
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir
eing


[..] I believe that the car power supply (12V) to the laptops
are damaging the internal laptop batteries so I prefer the 220 V charger
through a heavy duty sine inverter who is also supplying the TV set.
[...]

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir eing

Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

The Amel Laptop option is a wooden tray above the chart table. This tray can
be pushed back in order to hide completely the laptop or pulled forward and
secured. Under the tray is a lamp in order to light the charts. On the tray
is a plate of wood on which you fasten your laptop. This plate can be also
secured by a screw from under the tray and it permits you to rotate and pull
forward the laptop in order to have a better position of the screen. If you
want I can send you a photo of the arrangement. It is simple but very
useful. On the wooden plate I have fastened a replicator port of my laptop
so I just place the laptop on this port and the GPS interface and the power
supply are automatically plugged to the laptop through the port( very easy
and fool proof). I believe that the car power supply (12V) to the laptops
are damaging the internal laptop batteries so I prefer the 220 V charger
through a heavy duty sine inverter who is also supplying the TV set.

In case you need more information, I will be glad to send . I will try to
put some pictures also in my web site.

Dimitris Krassopoulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr>

-----Original Message-----
From: asm283 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir
eing


Dimitri

Can you eleaborate on what the Amel laptop option is.

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
<dkra@p...> wrote:
Dear Hanspeter,

I have on my SM an inverter installed that supplies both the
TV/Video and a
plug for the laptop at the chart table. Amel has very cleverly
installed a
plug/switch system and I can plug the systems directly to the shore
in order
not to use the inverter if I wish . As the loads of the laptop are
low you
can also supply a laptop in the front cabin.

I had the Amel laptop option which is excellent but I am wondering
what do
you plan to do for the installation of the laptop in the front
cabin. The
next project will be a wireless lan I am studying it right now,

Regards

D.Krassopulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr> >

-----Original Message-----
From: Hanspeter Battig [mailto:hanspeter.baettig@b...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical
wireing


Can anyone tell me how he installed his notebook in terms of the
electrical
supply. I need to connect 2 notebooks; one in a drawer under the
radar and
one in the foreward cabin for the children.
Is a e.g. 200 W converter (12V/220V the right choise. Were do you
connect
the 12 V, maybe from the television panel? Is a converter 24V to
220V
availabal on the market. I did not found one so far in Switzerland.
Hanspeter Baettig
SM#16






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Sharki For Sale

Zanareva
 

Our Sharki is still available for sale. $104,500. Located in
Florida. Complete specs and photos at:
http://www.geocities.com/amelsharki/
Best regards,

Richard Tate

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000

the Lundstroms <linneasail@...>
 

Ian:

Thank you for the help. Hopefully, we'll not going to have any more problems with the valves for a while.

All the best,

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000


Hello Walter.

I had to do this once in 2.25 years on Crusader. I have heard of similar problems from some other owners.The valves do not seem to be that well made and do not appear to have a positive enough closing. At least they are relatively easy to change.

Regards

Ian Shepherd

Crusader





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electrical bilge pump

the Lundstroms <linneasail@...>
 

Thank you to everybody for giving us good information about the issues with our bilge pump. This forum is quite fantastic.

S/Y Linnea
Walter Lundstrom

[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000

jjwiggin2000 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Anne and John Hollamby
<hollamby@c...> wrote:
Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@...
<
Hi Jim,
I still believe the basic problem is that the water above the flaps
in the
bilge pump is leaking back so that there is no water on the flaps to
weigh
them down. You could take the cover off the pump and look to see
that the
flaps are closing properly and either way take them off and reverse
them so
that they work properly. Of course a better solution would be to get
a pair
of the improved flaps from the makers or from Amel. The complete
set, two
flaps and a spare diaphram ( not needed ) cost me about US$ 45 in
Malta
through a chandlery which had to gt them from Italy.

Try it, incidentally why pump the sump dry so often ?
John
Hollamby
John,

John pretty much answered your question. I have never liked the idea
of grey water draining into the bilge. I am as careful as I can be
about the dishes, but some stuff is always going to get through. I
guess daily is easier to remember than weekly, and it seems like it
should keep the bilge sump just a little cleaner cleaner.

As far as pump failure, none of these theories explain mine starting
to malfunction within 2 weeks of moving aboard.

Regards,

Jim Wiggin

Re: SM2000 for sale

jjwiggin2000 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@c...>
wrote:
My 2 1/2 year old SM 2000 "Crusader" (hull # 299) has unexpectedly
become available for sale again. She is lying in Granada. She has been
submerged to deck level for 54 hours, but has been thoroughly cleaned
out. The hull is undamaged as she sank upright at a dock. She would
make a good restoration project. I need $100,000 for her to enable me
to purchase a new Amel.

If you are interested, please email me at g4ljf@c...

Regards

Ian Shepherd


Ian,

Might it be of any help to the rest of us to let us know what caused
the sinking?

Sincerely,

Jim Wiggin

Notebooks - Another Approach

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

I have read with interest various methods of powering notebook computers. I have done this successfully, but through a different approach. Targus do a splendid line of accessories for those on the move with lap tops. They make a range of neat compact power supplies for most lap tops that will run from a DC input voltage from 2V to 24V. When you order, you chose the appropriate connector for your make of laptop. The appropriate web page is www.targus.com/accessories_power.asp and the price is US$119.99.

Although I have a 1300W inverter, apart from the dangers of having 220V near the cockpit opening whilst under way, it makes more sense not to waste unnecessary quiescent power on such a lean item as a laptop, so I bought the Targus. I fixed it with industrial Velcro under the computer shelf and connected it via a 'free type' cigar lighter socket that I wired via a fly lead to the 12V terminal box at the back of the nav desk. I wired the socket supply through a push pull switch mounted on the left hand vertical panel above the nav desk so that I could easily switch the Targus off when the computer was not in use. I chose the 12V terminal box rather than the 24V one to reduce the stress on the power supply, especially when the yachts batteries were being charged. The set up worked faultlessly and there was no RFI from the Targus unit, unlike some small inverters.

Ian Shepherd

SM # 299 Crusader

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000

John Martin <jjmartin24@...>
 

Walter
Glad to hear from you and hope all finds you and your family well.

In regards to your electric bilge pump problem, my guess at the source of the problem is that anything that goes down any of the household drains is likely to be pumped out by the electric bilge pump. But I don't think the electric pump is designed well to pump debris, particles of food, etc. I think it's a good idea to minimize any particles that go down the drain. The rubber pump parts likely deteriorate over time with debris passing over them.

The Amel manual indicates its a good idea to use the hand bilge pump once a week to get debris out of the sump (also just to put regular use on the hand pump). The intake hose for the hand pump is directly on the sump bottom whereas the electric pump intake is about 5 inches from the bottom (to keep it out of the debris). If you don't regularly use the hand pump to clean out the stuff at the bottom, then it's possible that alot of stuff accumulates there. Another problem is if the electric pump is pumping at the same time you rinse off your dishes (pretty likely) then it will pick up the particles before they have time to settle to the bottom of the sump.

Regards
John Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: the Lundstroms
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:42 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000


We had our Amel SMM 2000 for only about 8 months. However, we have had to switsh out the small rubber valves in the electrial bilge pump twice. Is that pretty normal?

S/Y Linnea
Walter Lundstrom





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[Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wireing

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@...
<
Amel fitted an 800 watt pure sine wave inverter 24>220 volts to Bali Hai
We use this for mains requirements when the gen set is off and there is no
shore power. This solves the forecabin computer power.
The 12 volt supply is ancient technology as fitted to Bali Hai SM319, as
the Sailor 24>12 volt converters are only glorified resistors to drop the
voltage by dissipating it into heat. I therefore fitted a modern power
supply unit behind the panel to the left of the radar and this gives me
ample 12 volts as needed ( it is always on ).I then connected a car battery
charger supplied by my laptop manufacturer to provide 18 volts to my laptop
on the chart table. I have a major phobia about having mains power on or
at the chart table as there is a remote possibility of sea water coming in
and making me another electrocution fatality.
Incidentally if you are getting an inverter is should be a pure sine wave
type and not a modified sine wave if you are going to use the power to
charge high quality electronic equipment. The modified sine wave fools the
voltage sensors in some battery chargers and damages the battery or the
charger. I used to wonder why my laptop and video batteries did not last.
It became obvious when the modified sine wave inverter I was using
overcharged a Bosch drill battery thus melting the plastic socket on the
unit.

The idea of fitting a wireless LAN sounds dangerous as the radio waves
could well screw up some or all of the boats electronics with disastrous
effect

Best wishes, John Hollamby

[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@...
<
Hi Jim,
I still believe the basic problem is that the water above the flaps in the
bilge pump is leaking back so that there is no water on the flaps to weigh
them down. You could take the cover off the pump and look to see that the
flaps are closing properly and either way take them off and reverse them so
that they work properly. Of course a better solution would be to get a pair
of the improved flaps from the makers or from Amel. The complete set, two
flaps and a spare diaphram ( not needed ) cost me about US$ 45 in Malta
through a chandlery which had to gt them from Italy.

Try it, incidentally why pump the sump dry so often ? John
Hollamby

[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Washer Dryer Manual in English

jjwiggin2000 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John Martin"

Thanks, it worked,

Jim Wiggin

<jjmartin24@h...> wrote:
Jim

Try looking again on the "Files" page of the Yahoo website. There
are two PDF files there - one called "Washer Dryer Diagrams" and one
called "Washer Dryer Manual". If you download the "...Manual" file,
you should get several pages of text.

Ruth Martin
"Moon Dog" SM #248
----- Original Message -----
From: jjwiggin2000
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Washer Dryer Manual in English


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John & Ruth Martin"
<jjmartin24@h...> wrote:
> Folks
>
> In case it is useful to anyone, enclosed is a manual and
diagrams
in
> English. While it is not clear exactly what Thomson model is
described, I
> received it in response for my request for an English language
manual for a
> Thomson Australe 3 washer/dryer as equipped on our 1998/99 SM
(#248).
>
> I've also inquired of the Eumenia company for an English manual
on
the
> dishwasher with no luck so far. If anyone has one, could they
pass
it on
> somehow ?
>
> Thanks alot!
>
> Ruth Martin
> "Moon Dog" SM248
>
> I may have misunderstood. Thought I would get the manual, but
when
I downloaded all I got was one page of diagrams. Is it possible
to
download the manual?

Jim Wiggin, ANTARES SM #378
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Washer Dryer Manual in English

John Martin <jjmartin24@...>
 

Jim

Try looking again on the "Files" page of the Yahoo website. There are two PDF files there - one called "Washer Dryer Diagrams" and one called "Washer Dryer Manual". If you download the "...Manual" file, you should get several pages of text.

Ruth Martin
"Moon Dog" SM #248

----- Original Message -----
From: jjwiggin2000
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Washer Dryer Manual in English


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John & Ruth Martin"
<jjmartin24@h...> wrote:
> Folks
>
> In case it is useful to anyone, enclosed is a manual and diagrams
in
> English. While it is not clear exactly what Thomson model is
described, I
> received it in response for my request for an English language
manual for a
> Thomson Australe 3 washer/dryer as equipped on our 1998/99 SM
(#248).
>
> I've also inquired of the Eumenia company for an English manual on
the
> dishwasher with no luck so far. If anyone has one, could they pass
it on
> somehow ?
>
> Thanks alot!
>
> Ruth Martin
> "Moon Dog" SM248
>
> I may have misunderstood. Thought I would get the manual, but when
I downloaded all I got was one page of diagrams. Is it possible to
download the manual?

Jim Wiggin, ANTARES SM #378
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir eing

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Dimitri

Can you eleaborate on what the Amel laptop option is.

Vito Ciaravino
ASM 283
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
<dkra@p...> wrote:
Dear Hanspeter,

I have on my SM an inverter installed that supplies both the
TV/Video and a
plug for the laptop at the chart table. Amel has very cleverly
installed a
plug/switch system and I can plug the systems directly to the shore
in order
not to use the inverter if I wish . As the loads of the laptop are
low you
can also supply a laptop in the front cabin.

I had the Amel laptop option which is excellent but I am wondering
what do
you plan to do for the installation of the laptop in the front
cabin. The
next project will be a wireless lan I am studying it right now,

Regards

D.Krassopulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr>

-----Original Message-----
From: Hanspeter Battig [mailto:hanspeter.baettig@b...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical
wireing


Can anyone tell me how he installed his notebook in terms of the
electrical
supply. I need to connect 2 notebooks; one in a drawer under the
radar and
one in the foreward cabin for the children.
Is a e.g. 200 W converter (12V/220V the right choise. Were do you
connect
the 12 V, maybe from the television panel? Is a converter 24V to
220V
availabal on the market. I did not found one so far in Switzerland.
Hanspeter Baettig
SM#16






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wir eing

Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
 

Dear Hanspeter,

I have on my SM an inverter installed that supplies both the TV/Video and a
plug for the laptop at the chart table. Amel has very cleverly installed a
plug/switch system and I can plug the systems directly to the shore in order
not to use the inverter if I wish . As the loads of the laptop are low you
can also supply a laptop in the front cabin.

I had the Amel laptop option which is excellent but I am wondering what do
you plan to do for the installation of the laptop in the front cabin. The
next project will be a wireless lan I am studying it right now,

Regards

D.Krassopulos
S/Y Alma Libre
www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr>

-----Original Message-----
From: Hanspeter Battig [mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Notebooks on board for SM electrical wireing


Can anyone tell me how he installed his notebook in terms of the electrical
supply. I need to connect 2 notebooks; one in a drawer under the radar and
one in the foreward cabin for the children.
Is a e.g. 200 W converter (12V/220V the right choise. Were do you connect
the 12 V, maybe from the television panel? Is a converter 24V to 220V
availabal on the market. I did not found one so far in Switzerland.
Hanspeter Baettig
SM#16






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need spare parts for my Kirk

Szabo Geza <szabog@...>
 

Try JY. SELO / Amel Afer-sales Department at
amel@... (amel at marcireau.fr)

Cheers

Geza Szabo
SY Queen II
http://rotorman.hu

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Rittmann [mailto:tjahee@...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need spare parts for my Kirk


Hello Amelfreaks

We bought a used Amel Kirk a few weeks ago. Now I need
some spareparts (for example: hinge (caskets)).
I prefer to have original parts... Does anybody know
where to get them ?
Hope you can help me... Thanks !!!
SY "Til me op"

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Notebooks on board for SM electrical wireing

Hanspeter B├Ąttig <hanspeter.baettig@...>
 

Can anyone tell me how he installed his notebook in terms of the electrical supply. I need to connect 2 notebooks; one in a drawer under the radar and one in the foreward cabin for the children.
Is a e.g. 200 W converter (12V/220V the right choise. Were do you connect the 12 V, maybe from the television panel? Is a converter 24V to 220V availabal on the market. I did not found one so far in Switzerland.
Hanspeter Baettig
SM#16

Need spare parts for my Kirk

Thomas Rittmann <tjahee@...>
 

Hello Amelfreaks

We bought a used Amel Kirk a few weeks ago. Now I need
some spareparts (for example: hinge (caskets)).
I prefer to have original parts... Does anybody know
where to get them ?
Hope you can help me... Thanks !!!
SY "Til me op"

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Re: Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000

jjwiggin2000 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Anne and John Hollamby
<hollamby@c...> wrote:
I had tis problem on Bali Hai SM 319. The flap valves in the bilge
pump are
or were a simple piece of rubber or plastic. The reason why the
problem
occured was that I sometimes used the bilge pump on manual and the
effect
is to eventually pump air through the pump so that there is no water
resting on top of the flaps to hold them shut. The moral is to avoid
the
manual option as the foot of the Electric pump is not at the bottom
of the
sump. To totally drain the sump use the manual pump which does go
down to
the bottom.
The manufacturers have now improved the flaps by increasing the
thickness
where it matters to aid gravity and perhaps avoid the flap curling
upwards
when there is no water above it. I got some of these new flaps in a
service
kit ( which was ridiculously expensive) but have not had to install
them
ever since I stopped using the manual option about a year ago.
I suppose there wouyld be no problem if the manufacturers copied the
flaps
in Whale/Henderson pumps which are made with a metal insert to solve
the
problem.

Happy manual pumping ! John Hollamby
It is a good explanation, but I had never used the manual on switch
for the electric pump. I was and still am pumping the bilge "dry"
almost every day with the hand pump.

Jim Wiggin