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Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean,

I turn on the AC and nip into the engine room with a screwdriver. It is trying to turn but can not quite make it without my help. No kickback really. I had that pump apart and reckoned it was on it’s last legs, but that was two years ago and it is still going. I should buy a spare, but it is not really essential for the running of the boat and we are not in marinas much. Having said that in Greece this summer, when connected to shore power a bit of AC for a siesta is quite nice!

In Scotland you will be more in need of heating! How was the condensation this summer? On my last boat we spent a summer on the west coast and loved it, but the portholes and hatches were covered each morning with heavy condensation.

Nick

Amelia
AML 54-019

On 31 Aug 2019, at 16:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Nick,
Ah the old screwdriver trick. That’s usually my first port of call too!  Do you try to turn it when it’s powered up? Is there a kickback when it spins up?  I’ve always powered it down first, then give it a few spins with screwdriver and then it seems to go. 
The AC pump on my last boat was exactly the same each spring.
Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Mast length

Robert Squire
 

Hi I'm new to this group, thanks to the moderators for letting me join.any one have a manual and or a spec sheet for a1977,53ft Meltem.tjanks

Inner stay

Robert Squire
 

Id like to add an inner stay to my 1977 meltem53.ive seen some close to each other and others about foot or two apart .what is the significance.

Emptying the ( waste tank) on a 1977 meltem53

Robert Squire
 

Where do you emptying the black water tanks,the toilets are backed up

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi All,
The thing that was niggling me was the fact that there was no voltage across the Active-Neutral terminals of the pump when I checked. 

Monitoring the terminal voltage I have checked whether the pump is activated immediately the system is powered on, and I found that it is not! No voltage at the terminals.
This could point to a relay problem.

However, before looking at the relays, I thought I would do another test as follows:

Ambient temp here is 15degC (yes it is summer!).

I turned on the AC in the saloon, and set the desired temp to 17.9. (The lowest possible setting).

The AC produces some slightly warm air, but the seawater pump does not start.

I then used a hot air gun to slowly raise the temp of the AC panel in the galley.

When the temp reading on the panel reached 18.9 degC THEN the seawater pump started.

Conclusion: The seawater pump does not start until the ambient temp (as detected at the panel) rises above the set-point (desired temp set by user).
(I guess this corresponds to the compressor starting up).

Most folks might think that the pump operation is always immediate. In hot weather, it does, but in fact it depends on ambient temperature vs set-point.

Thanks for the pointers Olivier, Ruedi and Jose.

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

That’s an impressive blow out Jose!
At least you know what is wrong very easily 😜

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Joerg Esdorn
 

Scott, sorry for the delay but here are pics of the clean up tackle for the runners and the extension for the runners, as supplied by Amel.  Works excellent.  

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean, 
On my 54?I have to get the pump going with flat screwdriver on the shaft at the aft end there is a hole in the fan covering. Mine makes a hum but does not turn without a little help.
Nick
Amelia 
AML 54-019


On 30 Aug 2019, at 19:43, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Dean,

first, did you try to turn the pump shaft manually (thanks to a flat screw driver at the backside of the pump, where the fan is located)?
After several months of non use, the bronze impeller may be a bit frozen.

I confirm the pump starts as soon as you turn on the A/C on cooling mode. Then, depending on the boat's inside temperature, the compressor will start or not (can you hear the click of the thermostat when you turn it to low temp?).

The A/C pump is indeed started from three relays (one for each A/C unit). These relays are located in a grey box located at the aft portside of the engine room, close to the Shore/Generator automatic switch box.

Did you try to turn on all the A/Cs?

Good luck.

Olivier

On Friday, August 30, 2019, 07:44:13 PM GMT+2, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:


Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

Paul Brown
 

good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17


Re: Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Mark Erdos
 

Bernd,

 

This is a Lofrans Tigres windlass. Parts are readily available worldwide.

 

https://www.lofrans.com/spare-parts

 

The buttons are an Amel add-on and are available from Amel or from Vetus.

 

There is an excellent tutorial from Nikimat on this forum that shows how to service the windlass.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:36 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Windlass on Santorin from 1995

 

Hi, another one.

I need to service my windlass and especially the up/down switches which have gone with the sun n salt.
Unfortunately I have no idea what’s the name/model of mine. It looks very similar to what I have seen on google on Nikimat. Anyone in the know... which one it is and where to get the spares in Europe or US?
Thanks,
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

My Lithium LiFePO4 Project to convert SM and 54s

 

All,

I am mostly finished with recommended assortments/bundles including the required peripheral devices. I have selected a Preferred Vendor for the US & Canada and another for the UK and Europe. I am still working on a Caribbean supplier in Martinique and possibly a second US supplier. I will these other suppliers completed in about a month.

I do not want to post in this group the offers made by the above Preferred Vendors. I am happy to share everything with any Amel Yacht Owner Group member who may want it. If you want this information, please email a request to brouse@... 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

The Winsh is a lofranz Tiger
Look by svb there you find any spareparts

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi, another one.

I need to service my windlass and especially the up/down switches which have gone with the sun n salt.
Unfortunately I have no idea what’s the name/model of mine. It looks very similar to what I have seen on google on Nikimat. Anyone in the know... which one it is and where to get the spares in Europe or US?
Thanks,
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Jose Alegria
 

Dean
Check the capacitor!.....
I have 3 capacitors blow out this summer.
One of them with no exterior signs of fail

image1.jpeg
Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037



No dia 30/08/2019, às 23:03, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> escreveu:

Hi Dean

Understand, - try to turn multiple time with screwdriver, - back and forward. 
I had to do it after the winter season for 1-2 minutes. This summer I used my AC every few weeks and no problem with the pump after that. 

Regards, Ruedi 

On 30 Aug 2019, at 21:55, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean

Understand, - try to turn multiple time with screwdriver, - back and forward. 
I had to do it after the winter season for 1-2 minutes. This summer I used my AC every few weeks and no problem with the pump after that. 

Regards, Ruedi 

On 30 Aug 2019, at 21:55, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean

Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

the problem was the upper shaft seal.  The correct size for a Super Maramu is 60-90-8 (not -10).

This was difficult to fix.  Due to rusting together of parts inside the coupling, the old part with the seal had to be soaked for a couple of days in WD40 and then taken out under pressure in a workshop.  14 hours work for a mechanic.

Moral: It would have been a lot cheaper to fit a rope cutter.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Alghero, Sardinia, Italy.

Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean
The Pump should start after the Aircon Blower starts, also without having the temp on low (means without compressor). At leased on my Boat. 
It happens to me as well after long period of not using. You can use a screwdriver and turn the pump manually at the whole in the back where the air-vent is. After some turns it starts, it seems it is just a bit blocked after a while. 
The problem is known and you even find in Amel owners manual.  
Cheers 
Ruedi 
WASABI A54-#55

On 30 Aug 2019, at 19:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
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Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Dean,

first, did you try to turn the pump shaft manually (thanks to a flat screw driver at the backside of the pump, where the fan is located)?
After several months of non use, the bronze impeller may be a bit frozen.

I confirm the pump starts as soon as you turn on the A/C on cooling mode. Then, depending on the boat's inside temperature, the compressor will start or not (can you hear the click of the thermostat when you turn it to low temp?).

The A/C pump is indeed started from three relays (one for each A/C unit). These relays are located in a grey box located at the aft portside of the engine room, close to the Shore/Generator automatic switch box.

Did you try to turn on all the A/Cs?

Good luck.

Olivier

On Friday, August 30, 2019, 07:44:13 PM GMT+2, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:


Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154