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Re: Insurance

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Coverage from US insurance company for entire Caribbean costs us about
$6,000 USD annually & we must be outside the "hurricane box" from July
1 through Nov 30. Have received quote for same price for coverage for
South Pacific. Crew of 2; named value only 400k, 8k deductible.
After paying the insurance for a couple of years with no claims, we
are debating whether to continue to pay this ridiculous amount or just
go the self-insured or local insurance route as needed by various
location.

Judy
S/V BeBe
Amel SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "sailw32" <sailw32@...> wrote:

I've been self-insured with my past boats.Now that I have purchased my
SM, I no longer can afford that risk.Speaking to my insurance agent,he
implied it getting harder thus more exspensive to underwrite an extened
offshore cruise.I've often wondered what others sailors did about
insurance and what they typically paid for coverage for a year of
cruising offshore.I'm awaiting a quote but I have no basis to assess if
its fair.I know that there is a lot of variables,such as hull value and
cruising grounds,however I'd still be interested to know what other
Amel owners do about insurance. Thanks,Patrick
companion way knobs

drdavegoodman
 

I have found a very cost effective way for opening an closing the
companion way vertical entry door/hatch. Previously one needed to
screw in the knobs in order to secure the hatch in the open position.
I have placed a small spring cut to 1 inche with a large washer on
the knob screw post. The spring is adjusted with the knob, and puts
just enough pressure to push the blocking board into place to secure
the door in the up position. Works great!!!
Dave
S/V Bel Ami
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Steve Leeds
 

Hi Patrick,

I cannot address what it will cost you to insure your boat as I have been back
in the US for three years. However, I can tell you that you should keep
your mind open about insurance (and every other purchase you make) as you
travel. Buying what you need in the US may not make sense. When I
asked for a quote from a US insurance company for insuring my Sharki which was
to be stored on the hard at Gulf Harbour, New Zealand for a year, the figure
was so ridiculous that I got a quote from a company in Auckland. The
result was a quote for $561, a fraction of the US premium, and the coverage
allowed me to sail anywhere in New Zealand; the underwriter was Lloyds (of
London). The risk is lower for a local company, which can see you and your
boat as opposed to a company insuring someone 12,000 miles away. In
addition, people are less likely to sue in many other countries. When we
were ready to leave N.Z., the same company covered us all the way back to the
US. Our premium for sailing around The Cape of Good Hope (the Cape of
Storms) and across the Atlantic Ocean was less than we are paying now for local
insurance in Fort Lauderdale! You may be able to purchase insurance for
your boat from Europe once you leave the US.



Good Luck!



Steve Leeds

MACCABEE

Sharki #121

Circumnavigator's Yacht Service

Fort Lauderdale

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/l/e/leedss/

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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:05:16 PM

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance








I've been
self-insured with my past boats.Now that I have purchased my

SM, I no longer can afford that risk.Speaking to my insurance agent,he

implied it getting harder thus more exspensive to underwrite an extened

offshore cruise.I've often wondered what others sailors did about

insurance and what they typically paid for coverage for a year of

cruising offshore.I'm awaiting a quote but I have no basis to assess if

its fair.I know that there is a lot of variables,such as hull value and

cruising grounds,however I'd still be interested to know what other

Amel owners do about insurance. Thanks,Patrick





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Insurance

Patrick McAneny
 

I've been self-insured with my past boats.Now that I have purchased my
SM, I no longer can afford that risk.Speaking to my insurance agent,he
implied it getting harder thus more exspensive to underwrite an extened
offshore cruise.I've often wondered what others sailors did about
insurance and what they typically paid for coverage for a year of
cruising offshore.I'm awaiting a quote but I have no basis to assess if
its fair.I know that there is a lot of variables,such as hull value and
cruising grounds,however I'd still be interested to know what other
Amel owners do about insurance. Thanks,Patrick
removing Freezer/Refrig unit under bench seat in salon

leonorebt@...
 

This is Bill on SM 72. I am trying to remove the unit and have disconnected electrics, undone bolts and removed all visable screws and the unit seems loose on the port side but the plywood section on the starboard side along the passageway will not come free from the apparent attachment to the galley island and I can not find any way to release it. I am trying to remove the freezer insert along with the plywood housing as it seems that is the only way without removing the compressor from the system which I do not wish to do. The unit works but I want to get to the inspection hatch for the water tank section under it. It feels like it will lift out if the starboard side could be released. Any suggestions?

Thank you

Bill Rahmig


leonorebt@earthlink.net
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

Horst Pause <horst.puddleduck@...>
 

Eric,

On my Maramu the rope friction wheel is bolted on to the shaft, don't know the design on the SM, sorry.

Horst

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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2007 5:20:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul













Horst,



How do you get the rod around the arm that is welded to the top of the

outhaul shaft that fits into the Anderson winch?



Thanks



Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Horst Pause

Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:24 AM

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul



Certainly. The keyway in the shaft is 4mm, so I got myself a length of 3.5mm

key, bingo.



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From: svbebe <yahoogroups@ <mailto:yahoogroups %40svbebe. com> svbebe.com>

To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 9:17:53 PM

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul



Horst,



You wrote, "I now have a long rod in my spares locker with which I can



push the key out from above."



Can you provide us with the specifications of that "rod?"



Best,



Bill Rouse



s/v BeBe



SM2 #387



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

eric freedman
 

Horst,

How do you get the rod around the arm that is welded to the top of the
outhaul shaft that fits into the Anderson winch?

Thanks

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Horst Pause
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul



Certainly. The keyway in the shaft is 4mm, so I got myself a length of 3.5mm
key, bingo.

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To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 9:17:53 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

Horst,

You wrote, "I now have a long rod in my spares locker with which I can

push the key out from above."

Can you provide us with the specifications of that "rod?"

Best,

Bill Rouse

s/v BeBe

SM2 #387

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

Horst Pause <horst.puddleduck@...>
 

Certainly. The keyway in the shaft is 4mm, so I got myself a length of 3.5mm key, bingo.

----- Original Message ----
From: svbebe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 9:17:53 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

















Horst,



You wrote, "I now have a long rod in my spares locker with which I can

push the key out from above."



Can you provide us with the specifications of that "rod?"



Best,



Bill Rouse

s/v BeBe

SM2 #387














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svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Horst,

You wrote, "I now have a long rod in my spares locker with which I can
push the key out from above."

Can you provide us with the specifications of that "rod?"


Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe
SM2 #387
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi, we had the same kind of issues and removed the
AMEL supplied charger and transformer. One is tha the
transformer is alway hot given it is a coil designe to
store power. So you always have hgh voltage present.
BE VERY VERY CAREFUL IF YOU HAVE TO WORK ON IT...

We replaced the charger with a 90-260 volt 50/60 cycle
Dolphine (the US name for a Rya charger that Amel
used). We also installed an inverter wired to the 24
volt bank to run our 110 volt cycle stuff. This work
quite well with no "dock" voltage issues. We also ran
all of 110 volt plug off the inverter. That did not
take much to wire as we simply picked up the 110 line
in the engine room from the inverter. Not a big deal
and used the 110 breaker for safety...
good luck and good charging..
Richard on SM 209 in Port Annapolis
--- rbenven44 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Pat,

I think I have the same electrical configuration
as you: a step-
up transformer that takes the 110V 60 Hz shore
power, and steps it up
to 220/230V 60 Hz. From there it goes to the
battery charger, the
water heater, A/C units, and other 220V appliances.
There is a
circuit breaker just above the transformer, near the
battery
charger. I have had this trip several times when
plugged in to shore
power in the US. Invariably, the problem was bad
shore power,
usually a small amount of voltage on the ground
lead, which leads to
the breaker tripping. As I said before, marina and
boatyard
electrical systems are notoriously prone to faults.
But it could also be caused by too high a voltage
on the 110V
input, resulting in more than 230V out of the
transformer. You can
check for both of these easily with a voltmeter. As
far as I know,
and in my experience, low voltage will not trip the
breaker, and 60Hz
(vs 50Hz)definitely will not. I have had low
voltage (around 180V
out of the transformer)for over a week at a marina,
and no problems
with either the battery charger or the circuit
breaker.
Finally, if the fault is not in the input line,
you need to check
the current draw of your battery charger. A circuit
breaker will
trip under three possible conditions: too high
current, too high
voltage (both of which will overheat the breaker and
trip it), or a
short (including a ground fault). If your breaker
trips after an
hour of operation, it may be that your battery
charger is drawing too
much current, causing the breaker to trip from
overheating. To check
for this, you need a system ammeter, or another way
to measure
current draw. (Look up amelliahona's posts on how to
measure
electricity draw).
Hope all this helps. Please ask more questions
as you work on the
problem. That's what this site is all about.

Roy, Excalibur, SM #195



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out

rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Pat,

I think I have the same electrical configuration as you: a step-
up transformer that takes the 110V 60 Hz shore power, and steps it up
to 220/230V 60 Hz. From there it goes to the battery charger, the
water heater, A/C units, and other 220V appliances. There is a
circuit breaker just above the transformer, near the battery
charger. I have had this trip several times when plugged in to shore
power in the US. Invariably, the problem was bad shore power,
usually a small amount of voltage on the ground lead, which leads to
the breaker tripping. As I said before, marina and boatyard
electrical systems are notoriously prone to faults.
But it could also be caused by too high a voltage on the 110V
input, resulting in more than 230V out of the transformer. You can
check for both of these easily with a voltmeter. As far as I know,
and in my experience, low voltage will not trip the breaker, and 60Hz
(vs 50Hz)definitely will not. I have had low voltage (around 180V
out of the transformer)for over a week at a marina, and no problems
with either the battery charger or the circuit breaker.
Finally, if the fault is not in the input line, you need to check
the current draw of your battery charger. A circuit breaker will
trip under three possible conditions: too high current, too high
voltage (both of which will overheat the breaker and trip it), or a
short (including a ground fault). If your breaker trips after an
hour of operation, it may be that your battery charger is drawing too
much current, causing the breaker to trip from overheating. To check
for this, you need a system ammeter, or another way to measure
current draw. (Look up amelliahona's posts on how to measure
electricity draw).
Hope all this helps. Please ask more questions as you work on the
problem. That's what this site is all about.

Roy, Excalibur, SM #195
Outhaul

Horst Pause <horst.puddleduck@...>
 

The problem with getting the vertical shaft out of the gear box is the key which prevents it from turning in the gear box. I was lucky to find a workshop with a 20 ton hydraulic press - after a few attempts, they got the shaft out.

I now have a long rod in my spares locker with which I can push the key out from above. Once that is removed, the shaft comes out quite easily; it actually turns if you remount it all without that key and there's no effective force on the outhaul.

Easy once you have that key out - hammering on the bolt as described before did not work for me.

Horst - Puddleduck




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re Battery Charging while hauled out

Horst Pause <horst.puddleduck@...>
 

I fitted a solar panel after losing 2 sets of batteries, 1 x gelcel, 1 x agm, because I had omitted to disconnect the inverter.
All's fine now, the batteries are now in their 3rd winter and I am not expecting any problems.

Horst

Puddleduck

----- Original Message ----
From: williammelbourne <melbourne@charter.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 December, 2007 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re Battery Charging while hauled out













I agree with shutting off DC main breakers while hauled out. The

problem is what to do about self-discharge of the batteries during long

intervals between recharging? The rate of self-discharge for a lead

acid battery is about 0.1%/day (of amp-hour capacity) at an ambient

temperature of 10C, and roughly triple that at a temperature of 30C.

So, a 6 month absence from a cold boat in a winter layup is no big

deal; at most 10-20% of battery bank capacity would be lost from self-

discharge. But in the Caribbean, for example, the layup of a hot boat

during hurricane season, maybe 50% or more of battery capacity could be

lost, which is beginning to be serious.

William Melbourne

S/V Third Wish

SM306














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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out

Patrick McAneny
 

I wrote the original question concerning battery charging on the hard. There
has been several responses,and more than one, that questioned why I felt it
necessary to charge my batteries and that it was a mistake for me to leave my
boat plugged in to shore power. So, I thought I'd respond.When I hauled my
boat my batteries didn't have a full charge. I know its not good for batteries
to be stored for the winter with less than a full charge, so that's why I
felt it necessary to charge them. As far as leaving my boat plugged in, I never
said nor would I ever leave my boat plugged in. I wrote only to determine if
anyone else ever had the main 220v breaker trip while plugged into 110v 60
hertz. I'm pretty sure my system has no short as someone suggested. Could it
be a voltage drop or could it be the 60 hertz? Anyway, thanks for all the
input, I'm sure I'll sort it out.

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Re Battery Charging while hauled out

williammelbourne <melbourne@...>
 

I agree with shutting off DC main breakers while hauled out. The
problem is what to do about self-discharge of the batteries during long
intervals between recharging? The rate of self-discharge for a lead
acid battery is about 0.1%/day (of amp-hour capacity) at an ambient
temperature of 10C, and roughly triple that at a temperature of 30C.
So, a 6 month absence from a cold boat in a winter layup is no big
deal; at most 10-20% of battery bank capacity would be lost from self-
discharge. But in the Caribbean, for example, the layup of a hot boat
during hurricane season, maybe 50% or more of battery capacity could be
lost, which is beginning to be serious.
William Melbourne
S/V Third Wish
SM306
Re: {Disarmed} RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohn@...>
 

I also agree that batteries should be fully charged and then isolated whilst the boat is not in use. I remember all too well seeing an unmanned Halberg Rassy on fire and being towed out of the marina to burn itself out and sink before it affected the other boats.This was in Spain and the owner was at home in Denmark. The cause was almost certainly a fault in the battery charger and or a battery drying out and catching fire to the locker. My original batteries are now seven years young. I assume that everyone knows that different makes of battery have different optimum charge rates and that the Chargers fitted by Amel since 2003 are capable of being adjusted to particular battery makes/types.

Best wishes, John Hollamby SM 319
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

I agree. Why do you need a battery charger if you aren't using any power? If I leave my boat for 6 months with all power cut off including the 2 main switches,and come back to find dead batteries, I'm going to get rid of those turkeys. Serge on Mango 51 was right. If you need parts for your Perkins, call Trans Atlantic diesel in the U.S. 804-6429296
John ' Moondog" SM 248




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comFrom: no_reply@yahoogroups.comDate: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:22:54 +0000
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charging while hauled out




I have had a Super Maramu (#195) for 10 years, currently hauled out in Deltaville, VA. Before that, a Maramu for 13 years. I have stored these boats hauled out in the US and Europe many of the winters. I NEVER left a boat plugged in for the winter. The batteries always did fine. (I turn off ALL power-drawing items) My batteries have lasted 5 - 8 years. I have always used the Delco sealed batteries (original Amel equipment), but other batteries should also do fine over the winter.If a battery charger trips a circuit breaker, the problem is a short somewhere in the system, or a faulty charger. Boat yard electrical systems are notoriously poor. Unless you are living aboard, don't leave your boat plugged in. It's not a good idea.Roy, Excalibur (SM #195)






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Re: Insulating our Amel for cool/cold weather sailing

m_iachelli
 

Hi Ian,
lately I've been searching in our group messages for a topic on
heating system and I found one of your messages very interesting (see
below). I'm actually living in the carebbean, but planning to move to
South America (Argentina and Patagonia) next year. For this reason
I'd like to know more about your Eberspächer system and see if it's
possible to install one on my vessel (Euros 41). Can you give all the
details? I thank you in advance. Best Regards.
Mauro
S/V Karyan
Euros 41 #166

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <ocean53@...>
wrote:

Hi Richard,

as you know I have taken my SM to Greenland, Labrador &
Newfoundland on more
than one occasion. I can't say that at any time that I was really
cold other
than once having to dive under the boat to cut a rope off the prop
in a sea
temperature of 4 degrees Centigrade!

The boat's insulation is pretty good, and I suffered very little
condensation. Maybe just a little on the inside of the hull at the
back of
the hanging lockers. I did have the luxury of an Eberspacher heater
which I
did use some mornings in Greenland. It did dry the boat well.
Cooking was
another good source of heat. I take it that you don't have the a/c
units
with reverse cycle capability? Useful on shore power or when
running the
genset. I never had any shore power up there though. Maybe you
could carry a
couple of electric fan heaters for use when the genset is running?

You might want to take some thermal long john's along. I found them
useful
when I had to leave the sea berth to visit the cockpit for a quick
look
around or to trim sail. In fact I seem to rembember I slept in them
whilst
under way.

My cockpit has the side panels to the folding bimini plus the
vertical back
cover with the zipped door. This really helped keep the often gale
force
winds at bay, but when the wind was from aft, it did get draughty
due to the
poor seal between the back cover and the cockpit sides and the
seats. You
might want to add some overlap in this area to get a better seal.
Otherwise
the cockpit was quite snug. The disadvantage with this layout is
that if you
need to get to the winches, you need to unzip the door as they are
outside
the enclosed area altogther.

I don't know if you are planning any winter sailing in the UK, but
I would
say that from April till the end of October, you will be pleasantly
surprised at our climate, though it might rain a bit! Out of the
Gulf Stream
you might feel a bit cooler in Scandinavia, though the longer hours
of
daylight may compensate a bit.

Experience on previous boats has found that the Tilley lamp can be
a good
source of heat, as well as portable camping butune heaters. They
will
produce some condensation though. I would get one of those battery
driven
carbon monoxide monitors from one of your mega stores if you are
going to
use such devices. I picked one up for about $30 in Newfoundland
from
Canadian Tire. It did sound the alarm once when a side wind blew
the genset
exhaust into the cabin.

Have a super trip Richard. There are many great spots to visit
either side
of the English Channel, and when the sun shines in the Hebrides off
Scotland
there are few places better.

Spare a thought as I swelter in the Red Sea this summer!

Regards

Ian Shepherd SM 414 'Crusader'



-------Original Message-------

From: closereach
Date: 01/05/06 04:16:01
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insulating our Amel for cool/cold
weather
sailing

We're planning on cruising over to Ireland, the UK and Scandinavia
Next year. I have a couple of questions for those out cruising the
Higher latitudes.

1. What have other members done to insulate their boats to prevent
or
Minimize condensation while living aboard?

2. Our Amel doesn't have any forced air or natural draft heating
System. How have you heated your boat 24x7, specifically when
passage-
Making and living on the hook?

Thanks
Richard Tate
SM#5 "Spice"






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Battery Charging while hauled out

rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
 

I have had a Super Maramu (#195) for 10 years, currently hauled out
in Deltaville, VA. Before that, a Maramu for 13 years. I have stored
these boats hauled out in the US and Europe many of the winters. I
NEVER left a boat plugged in for the winter. The batteries always did
fine. (I turn off ALL power-drawing items) My batteries have lasted 5 -
8 years. I have always used the Delco sealed batteries (original Amel
equipment), but other batteries should also do fine over the winter.

If a battery charger trips a circuit breaker, the problem is a
short somewhere in the system, or a faulty charger. Boat yard
electrical systems are notoriously poor. Unless you are living aboard,
don't leave your boat plugged in. It's not a good idea.

Roy, Excalibur (SM #195)
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