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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

Keep in mind that Bill started his trip in 2006 and ended in 2016.  BEFORE Hurricane Irma and Maria.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Paul 

In my experience, Europe waters insurance costs from EU companies are lower than most other areas by half or more.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:35 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, that’s a great account and very much appreciate your sharing.

Could I please inquire, I thought Atlantic, Caribbean and pacific insurance policy’s were much higher? I’ve been quoted $13k+us for cruising in these area.

Kind regards Paul 


On 23 Aug 2019, at 2:40 pm, andrew aupuni <dan.murphy3076@...> wrote:

Thank you for this Bill, this will be very helpful to me in the near future.

Kind regards 

On 23 Aug 2019, at 1:43 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike , I did my own rigging , one piece at at a time . Install and tension the lowers a little ,before the uppers. Uppers first, would bow the mast out of column ,always do the lowers a little then proceed to uppers a little and so on. 
Pat,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: A54 Helm seat/cockpit table and engine hatch opening

Roque
 

Thank you Bill. What a compliment!! 

I hope this can be useful to A54 owners


Best

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Paul Brown
 

Hi Bill, that’s a great account and very much appreciate your sharing.

Could I please inquire, I thought Atlantic, Caribbean and pacific insurance policy’s were much higher? I’ve been quoted $13k+us for cruising in these area.

Kind regards Paul 


On 23 Aug 2019, at 2:40 pm, andrew aupuni <dan.murphy3076@...> wrote:

Thank you for this Bill, this will be very helpful to me in the near future.

Kind regards 

On 23 Aug 2019, at 1:43 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

andrew aupuni <dan.murphy3076@...>
 

Thank you for this Bill, this will be very helpful to me in the near future.

Kind regards 

On 23 Aug 2019, at 1:43 am, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Scott, it is a 30x40x7 standard although mine for some reason was a very sloppy fit so I machined it out to fit a 30x41x7. It should be a good press fit.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:19:51 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?
 
Hi all,

I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket.

The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it.

See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 
Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

Can I email you privately to arrange to meet up sometime? You can get me on paul <dot> dowd <a>t fgps <dot> com

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 22 August 2019 17:43
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

We on Island Pearl II agree with every comment above.

Island Pearl II is our 7th cruising yacht over the past 15 years of sailing, and the best by far!. We have had some really nice (and far newer) boats before purchasing this 2001 model Amel Super Maramu 2000, but this boat, for a world circumnavigation, is far better than everything else you could ever imagine out there! Trust us on this one, as we are still out there now, (currently in Tonga, depart for Fiji on Sunday  - see live tracker below)  along with many other very nice expensive brands, however we would not trade our 2001 Amel for any of them, as we have had ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues, and I cannot think of a single boat that has sailed with us all the way around the world now, which has not had multiple major issues to date, especially when we all hit the Indian Ocean!

We complete our circumnavigation on her in  Brisbane, Australia on 1 November 2019, and will then sell to pursue other on-land interests for the next five years, (will be a very sad day for me in particular after 8 years in this wonderful Amel community!)  but can tell you that these boats are robust, almost over-engineered, and because of the incredible quality and robust engineering foresight that has gone into these boats, you can have extreme confidence in the total Amel System. 

Simply find a good well kept Amel, take advice from this group (including experts like Bill Rouse and Oliver) who you can reach via this site,  then learn to do all your maintenance yourself (learn from others on this site - never trust anyone to do anything on your boat without you personally there and looking over their shoulders and every detail if you need expert help!, and make sure you service everything meticulously (eg we service both genset and Yanmar 75HP every 80 - 120hrs when the manual calls for 200hrs). Ensure you put good fuel in at all times (we triple filter every drop of fuel, and have a good fuel polisher built in too), and do your mast, rig, sails, and all inspections meticulously before every ocean crossing. If you do this I can assure you your Amel will look after you instead of visa Versa! We have has 50+knots and 6m swells in whiteout conditions in the mid-Indian Ocean, and all felt totally safe out there where others did not, and some did not make it. The Amel 53 gave us total confidence and simply dealt with it all easily in her stride.

Best of luck, you have come across the safest sailing vessels out there in the ocean, and they sail really well too.

Colin Streeter
Tonga today, Fiji next week.



On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:40 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
My penny’s worth.
Amelia is my third sailboat but I also worked as a professional yacht captain for nearly 20 years on numerous vessels. 

I have to say that, in general, my Amel 54 is the best engineered of any boat that I have run or owned.
And therefore not excessively expensive to run.

As with all boats there are some compromises I do not like but they are minor.
It is fair to say that the more modern Amels have quite a lot of systems that need looking after and there are a lot of electric motors etc etc. The thing is, compared to just about any other sail boat the access is great. Generally the systems have been installed with a view that at some point they will need to be either serviced or replaced.

What you need to do is:
1. Learn to fix everything yourself
2. Make sure you have a really good tool kit
3. Learn to love fixing things, and learn to love and enjoy the whole engineering aspect of owning an Amel.

This group is a great resource and as a novice you can not do much better than get Bill onside to help you.

One more piece of advice. When you first buy your Amel do not just start chucking money at it (unless of course you buy a project) just get to know your boat and climb the learning curve....

Good luck
Nick
Amelia anchored Ionian
AML54-019

On 23 Aug 2019, at 06:09, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Mike;

In my experience, the reason why some riggers prefer to pull the mast is it makes it easier to make their measurements to make the new standing rigging and lift the masts with all rigging run and connected.

If you order from ACMO, it all comes perfectly made to proper length with all the correct connections and fittings. We replaced the 6 shrouds at the main mast in a little over 1 day. Off course having the right rigger helps. 

We flew Nicky from Malta and he managed to the work in less than ideal conditions with winds in the 15-25 knot range, at the marina.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 23, 2019, at 2:47 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

ngtnewington Newington
 

My penny’s worth.
Amelia is my third sailboat but I also worked as a professional yacht captain for nearly 20 years on numerous vessels. 

I have to say that, in general, my Amel 54 is the best engineered of any boat that I have run or owned.
And therefore not excessively expensive to run.

As with all boats there are some compromises I do not like but they are minor.
It is fair to say that the more modern Amels have quite a lot of systems that need looking after and there are a lot of electric motors etc etc. The thing is, compared to just about any other sail boat the access is great. Generally the systems have been installed with a view that at some point they will need to be either serviced or replaced.

What you need to do is:
1. Learn to fix everything yourself
2. Make sure you have a really good tool kit
3. Learn to love fixing things, and learn to love and enjoy the whole engineering aspect of owning an Amel.

This group is a great resource and as a novice you can not do much better than get Bill onside to help you.

One more piece of advice. When you first buy your Amel do not just start chucking money at it (unless of course you buy a project) just get to know your boat and climb the learning curve....

Good luck
Nick
Amelia anchored Ionian
AML54-019

On 23 Aug 2019, at 06:09, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

 

There is a single non-spliced cable from the battery switches for both positive and negative wires. There is a single start battery. 

It is not the wire, unless you have cut or damaged one and that is unlikely.

If the battery is good, don't you wonder why jumping the battery starts the engine? 

I would remove one battery from the house bank and replace the start battery. If the engine starts, maybe it's the start battery.

Also, you didn't mention the Onan. Does it start without the Yanmar running?  If it does, then it is probably not the start battery, but could be bad connections at the main switch, the switch itself, the battery, or at the starter. If the connections are suspected, clean them and treat with CorrosionX.

Get back to me after you have some answers. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:32 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

seagasm
 

We re-rigged our vessel without pulling the masts out. It was done in the berth by riggers without any difficulty. It certainly avoided a haul out and/or a crane expense.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Better yet, do what I did and have your wife go up the mast so you don't hurt yourself :-)
Cheers,
Craig & Katherine  SN68 Sangaris.

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Mike and Alan,

Delos did it all themselves sometimes back.

I am considering doing it myself with one younger more nimble guy in the bosun’s chair.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji


On 23 Aug 2019, at 12:47, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Matt Salatino
 

Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia