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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter
Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
Hi Gary & John.
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I have now found out why my inline TDS meter continuously gives an 'Error' reading. It is not to do with the orientation of the probe at all. The problem is that the water maker output is so polluted that meter is out of range. It was a guest on board today that refused a glass of water that aroused my suspicions. I guess I had got used to the taste, but she convinced me that something was wrong. I thought it may have been a dirty 50 micron filter, but changing it did nothing to the taste. Another test with a Hanna confirmed a seriously polluted output (860 with an 'E' in the top right hand corner. So yet another case of being fooled by the green light, which as we now know means nothing. I have disassembled the 160 l/h membranes which have 185 hours use. (For Eric- if you have not yet removed your membranes, I can confirm that it is best to remove the whole cradle first, then unscrew the rods. The only nasty part of the job is reaching the self tapping screws that hold the blower ducting together. You may need to do this to get to the two outboard roof bolts, depending on your installation. My 110/220V transformer gets in the way of the side screw). Gary, I am concerned that the sea water side of the membranes is only isolated from the centre output tube by a single 0-ring on the membrane nipple. Do you really think this seal is sufficient to reliably withstand a 60 Bar or 870 PSI sideways pressure? ( have the nylon end caps). The caps don't seem to be a very tight fit on the nipple seal, so this may be the root of my problem rather than the membranes themselves. I will get some new seals and jury rig the assembly for a trial. I use silicon grease on seals. Do you think that the seal may do a better job with sealant perhaps, at the expense of more difficulty in getting it apart again? If so, can you recommend any particular type or brand of sealant for this application? I was interested to read about your flying exploits. Not so long ago Steve Jones who was a UK aerobatic champ took me up in his Sukoi. After 19,500 hours of commercial flying, it was the most hair raising experience of my life! I take my hat off to you for being able to stay ahead of the aircraft whilst the world is a 270 degree per second roll rate blur and the G-meter is swinging from +7 to -5! Currently I fly hang gliders, paragliders and sailplanes. Cheers Ian Shepherd SM414 'Crusader'
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From: amelliahona Date: 6/14/2006 2:38:47 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter Ian: Have you tried orienting the sensor horizontally or inverted? I found that my sensor didn't give consistent readings when I had it mounted vertically. I think that perhaps the probes weren't long enough and there was an air bubble trapped when it was upright. See the photo of my installation in the photo section and you will see that my sensor is now mounted horizontally and in that orientation any air in the system is washed past the probes yet the sensor probes remain imersed in product water. Just a thought. Regards, Gary --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <ocean53@...> wrote: it in the blue output line, all I get is an 'Err' message when the watermaker is producing water. It does give a reading when the flow is stopped, i.e.able to cope with a decent flow rate. I have tried just after the membraneoutput and just after the control panel with the same result. I have waited 5-10
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More H20 discussion
Ag Av8ter
Hello Fellow Sailors,
I am adding to the watermaker free for all. I have SM #266, and she has the D60 watermaker. I replaced the membranes last January and have about 220 hours on the system since then. My only complaint is that I can only make 30 LPH. We live aboard and are on the hook, so we live off the water we can make. At this time we have no way of collecting rain water, but we plan to design and make a rain water collector. Meanwhile, we are going to be in Guadalupe soon to have some other work done. Question: For those of you that have the "bigger" watermaker, what kind of out put are you experiancing? If I can expect to get over 100 LPH, I will consider purchasing the larger unit and installing it while at Guadalupe. Anyone in the market for a D60 with "new" membranes? I have had no trouble with the D60, other than we go through water way faster than we can make it!! Good sailing to you all, Tony WORLD CITIZEN SM #266
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Re: serto end caps
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Eric:
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The Serto brand connectors are the gray plastic ones that Dessalator used throughout their system. I could not find a source for them in the USA. I forget the brand of the white connectors that I used. I purchased them at Home Depot here in the USA. There are pipe thread to snap connector adapters and all sorts of other adapters in that brand. If you are having trouble finding a source let me know and I can purchase some for you and mail them to you. Where are you located now? Gary
Gary,
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serto end caps
eric freedman
Gary,
i noticed in one of your photos you mentioned serto end caps. where did you ger them? thanks eric
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
29 June 2006
Hi Eric: RE: Your Question: "... why did you mount the omega quality sensor in a loop parallel to the water flow and not in series with the output water?' I only had "T" connectors at the time. Sorry to report that there was no special engineering involved. It has worked well this way so I haven't changed it. Someone reported problems with their sensor in turbulant flow so I have choosen to leave well enough alone. Let me know if you install yours in series and suffer any problems. ".... did you have any trouble connecting the blue 3/8 inch plastic hose to the Amel fitting? did you heat it to fit over the fitting?" No and No. The 3/8 fittings quick connect press on fittings fit perfectly and sealed without problem to the blue tubing where I cut it. The extra 3/8 inch tubing (the clear stuff in the photo) that I purchased at Home Depot fit well. I have had no leaks and the rating on the fittings was something like 100 psi. There is really virtually no pressure on this line. Glad to hear that the end caps came off with so little effort. Did the O-rings that you ordered fit ok? I wired a Sonalert to the relay output of the EC sensor and quickly discovered I needed a mute switch for when the water maker starts up and the TDS creep causes it to alarm for the first minute or two. I put the LEDs in just to verify that there was 24 volt power to the Sonalert, and for a visual indication of the alarm condition if I forgot to throw the "mute" switch to the arm position after system start up. If others would like a schematic of my set up I will draw one up and put it in the files section of the site. I appreciated Joel's post and it is nice to have him confirm that his experiences with Dessalator have been the same as mine. I agree completely with his analysis. Amel has been, and continues to be, the finest company I have ever done business with. Jean Jacques and Olivier are top notch and as honest as the day is long. I assure the members of this site that I do not hold a grudge against Dessalator, I have just moved on. No hidden agendas. Kindest regards, Gary Silver Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335
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Amel Santorin
uno.genesis <uno.genesis@...>
Dear all.
I'm looking for an Amel Santorin to buy. Does any body knows of any in the market in Kroatia . I will be in the area in September. Please advise me. Thanks in advance
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT SM 2000
Dr. Seidel <mseidel@...>
Is the Peter Pappas the same one who worked in Wilmington, N.C. and played football for Bear Bryant. Then moved to Birmingham to work at the University in I.D.?. Murray Seidel mseidel @ec.rr.com
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From: "peter pappas" <pjppappas@yahoo.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT SM 2000 thank you
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing the subject
amelforme
Hello John,
I hope you won't think I'm picking on you but the advice you gave is not correct. The Heart inverter charger is a nice piece of gear. It will also pull, in our opinion, too much out of the 24 volt bank when used to operate the microwave or other high current items. Additionally, be very careful when running 110 volt appliances on stepped down 220 volt power. The power remains 50 cycle, not 60 cycle. This won't matter with drills and blenders but will quickly destroy televisions and stereo equipment as well as most bread makers and espresso machines as the "brain" of these devices take their timing signature off 60 cycle, not 50 cycle. 50 cycle will destroy sophisticated 110 volt components very quickly. Be careful. All the best, Joel F. Potter AMEL 54, Hull # 14 - HOLLIS
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Changing the subject
john martin <symoondog@...>
Hello, If anyone is buying a new 54, I would sugest he have Amel install a European model of the Heart inverter/charger in addition to the standard 35 amp charger. I have one on my Amel and without turning on the generator, I can use the micro wave. Also it is wired to the 220 volt circuit so I can use any 220 applience without using the generator. It puts out the reqiuired 50hq. so its safe for the european products. The real advantage is I can run any american applience, drills, my new 1 hour bread machine, etc. by pluging in the norm
al travel adapters you carry when you go over seas. John "Moondog" SM248 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker
eric freedman
Gary,
the watermaker membrane assembly is apart. Just a Sears rubber strap wrench on the end caps and it came apart in 10 minutes. ----thanks for all the help and pix. i ordered the membranes from your source and the "o"rings from maryland metrics. they had them in stock--ps they also have the amel metric lips seals for the bow thruster. I ordered new end caps and connecting bobbin from amel. mine looked a little too worn. my question de jour is why did you mount the omega quality sensor in a loop parallel to the water flow and not in series with the output water? also did you have any trouble connecting the blue 3/8 inch plastic hose to the Amel fitting? did you heat it to fit over the fitting? Fair winds, eric --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote: on eBay a year ago.DISSAPOINING!! but headed home to New York for some additional work before heading off.unit fixed in the Galapagos.40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@>new membranes.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
amelforme
Greetings everyone,
O.K.! Alright already!! I can't believe how many of you have asked me to weigh in on the watermaker issue. I really don't want to become a defacto referee. Please remember, although my opinions may be tempered by my nearly 25 year long relationship with AMEL as their marketing man in the Americas, my comments come from Joel the AMEL 54 owner and not from AMEL. That is important. I have never received a satisfactory, straight up, cut and dried answer from Dessalator on the issue of the salt sensor. Always polite, always gentle, but no answer. I have accepted the obvious, they just don't want to say anything. I think that guys like Gary Silver and Eric Freedman are a true benefit to us all. I know both of these gents as I sold them their boats. They are both extremely knowledgeable and capable, and without ego problems. Their desire is for a common body of knowledge and experience which will benefit us all. They'll get mad at me for telling you this but Gary built, with his own two hands, a two place aerobatic bi-plane that he tumbles around in. If you ask him real nice he'll take you up in it and make you hurl so hard you'll wish you were never born. Eric has an electrical engineering degree from MIT and he has forgotten more about electricity than most of us will ever know. They are not trouble makers. They are valuable. They never incite. The vast majority of you are the same, just wishing to promote the common good. No agendas. Nothing to prove. Good folks. On the other hand, I have always noticed, with AMEL folks and otherwise that it's 10% of the people who have 90% of the problems. This 10% crew are always looking for retribution because NOTHING is without blame. NOTHING is ever their fault. The world isn't a fair place and this group feels particularly persecuted. Boats are machines. Machines wear with use. Shit happens. It comes from my experience and not loyalty that our AMEL boats have far less problems than ANY other boat from ANY manufacturer. I have spent over 30 years sailing/building/fixing/selling all kinds of cruising sailboat until in the last ten years going more or less exclusively with AMEL with the odd brokerage boat the exception. Our AMEL boats are not trouble prone. I am sure of this. To suggest that Olivier Beaute or Jean Jacques Lemonnier are less than 100% forthright is just plain wrong. Jean Jacques is the fairest person I know with the wisdom of Solomon. That said, don't try to bully him into anything. You will go backwards gently. Olivier could not be involved in a conspiracy if his life depended on it. He is just not capable of being dishonest. To suggest they know that there is a defect in our watermakers is ridiculous. I'm not waving the company flag here. This is just simply the truth. Consider this.I pay for my boats that I use as demonstrators here in America. I don't pay for my spare parts assortment that comes with the boat. Every boat I have received from AMEL has a spare salt sensor in the inventory. Why would they incur the expense of sending me something that has no value or use if they indeed knew that were the case? I will ask Jean Jacques to address our issue personally with Dessalator and then I'll step back. No promises. The comments from most owners about maintenance are correct. Use your watermakers, change your thinking if need be.wash your masts, booms, rigging, decks, dinghy's, dive gear. Use water abundantly. It's good for you. If you run your watermakers three times a week, it will last a long, long time. Unless you will not use it for more than 7 months, DON'T PICKLE IT. Just flush it with it's own product water. Seriously I have years of experience with boats that stay dormant while for sale. The ones that are pickled have 95% of the failures. If you do pickle it, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. Like most things, if enough is plenty, more isn't better. Mix the solution carefully. Let's see now, who haven't' I pissed off yet. My intention here is to be helpful. As an AMEL marketing man, I can say that our boats retain value better than any others I can think of. This is mainly because of all of you. You are our best salespeople. I am happy to direct potential buyers to our site with only a brief admonition about bad apples. Look at other boat manufacturers independent owner groups. Yikes! These people are angry!! Let's not bite the hand that feeds us. If you have a problem, gently and carefully address the source. If that doesn't work, seek more aggressive means in gradual steps. You can privately address your concerns to a number of sources, me included if need be, for a point in the right direction to solve your issues, but not on the site. But please, it's best not to belabor things on the site and don't fly your dirty laundry here. I'll stop now. All the best, Joel F. Potter, AMEL 54 # 14, HOLLIS
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
Hello John,
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Congratulations on getting a 54.I should be happy to hear your views on the plusses and minuses over your 53, my address is annejohnat melita.net. As you keep your boat in the south of France and do not do extended cruises and clearly use mains water most of the time there seems little reason to have a watermaker. I took Olivier's advice and have never pickled my 160 ltr machine. I use it as my sole source of fresh water and thus can flush it with product water before and after use. Mains water,especially in marinas, often contains relatively high levels of chlorine presumably because the long runs of piping on the pontoons is conducive of bacterial pollution. Since chlorine is damaging to the membranes you would be ill advised to use it to flush your system and ,I suppose, would be better advised to find out from the manufacturers what to use to pickle and preserve the membranes against the day when you may have to depend on it. This is what PUR do with those emergency hand operated watermakers which have to be serviced once a year by an agent. There is clearly a fault in the version of the watermaker which is adapted to Amels specification because the machine claims to have an alarm and salt sensor when it does not. I have had three different water makers over the twelve years that we cruised as far as Australia and all relied on tasting a sample before putting product into the tank. That the Amel version gives no warning is an extremely dangerous fact of life for unwary long distance liveaboards and it is not surprising that the subject has suffered such an airing on the site. At the end of the day all equipment is likely to fail at some time or another and the taste test is so simple and reliable that all the other suggestions are high tech complications. I have fitted a TDS meter only because it was easier than sourcing and fitting a two way junction and faucet in Malta so that product went to waste until approved by the PTT (Pink Tongue Test) and then manually diverted to the tanks Whilst I sympathise with the latest postings complaining about the flood of stuff on this subject the fact remains that if one were to rely on sensors etc. one would be running a big risk crossing big oceans. Enjoy your new boat. Best wishes from Anne and John, SM 319
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From: dlm48@aol.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker In a message dated 25/06/2006 12:11:53 GMT Daylight Time, j.c.mcdougall@btinternet.com writes: am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used. Thanks in advance, John McDougall "54" - no. 21 Dont pickle it and use it as much as possible - if you dont intend to use it lots you should not have got a watermaker - watermakers love to be used - dont use them and you will get lots of problems - perhaps before you added this watermaker to the boat you should have done some research and understood the operation as well as the plusses and minuses of a watermaker. regards David
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
Hi,
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I do agree that the comments and messages regarding the watermaker have become overpowering but before the the subject is closed, could I ask for a little help. In April I took delivery of my "54" which is equipped with the 160l/hr watermaker. My previous SM did not have a watermaker and I only specified this item now because the "54" uses fresh water for the toilets and Amel would not alter the specification in order to use seawater for the toilets. I am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used. Thanks in advance, John McDougall "54" - no. 21
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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jose.esteller Sent: 25 June 2006 09:29 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker Hi all, I agree with the mail of Eric Mejean I am owner of Amel boats from 15 years ( one Maramu 3 years, a first SM N° 51 during 11 years and now a second SM N° 426 ) I can say that i had not mayor problemes with this 3 boats, and every time in every part of Atlantic or Mediterranean I found the assistance of Amel, calling by phone or via email, and always receiving the spare parts that I need , with not any mistake, Amel beeing one of the constructors that has in computer all the story of each boat. Best regards at all JOSE SM 426 SILVIA IV ----- Original Message ----- From: "G D" <maramu@hotmail.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker > Dear All > I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the > topics > discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got > to > know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members > for > their helpful contributions) > Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics > interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the > different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them > have > some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back > the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then > I > got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges > were lacking of honesty. Let's be serious for a while. How ones can claims > that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the > dish > washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I > read which don't make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I don't even > want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound > so unrealistic. I'm sorry to say that some of the stories which I read > here > have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments........ > I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. I'm just the happy > owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some > breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made > in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments > are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job > extremely > well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had > to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal. > Don't expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs, > carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It > is > part of sailing.... Owning a boat is not cheap. > Now let's be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life > and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think > you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept > the > principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to > state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated > equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same > boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please > spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as > long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all > of > us in an honest spirit. Don't make use of this forum to serve your own > interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To > finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest > of > the members. I don't want to open an additional sterile polemic. > > Wit best regards > Erick MEJEAN > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr> > Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST) > > Hi Ian, > > I am very glad with your last post on this forum. > > As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did > you > send it as registered mail? > > > I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, > or > similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating > suing > Dessalator in a legal action?. > > Regards. > > > Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE > Blue Marine > SM 311 > > > > > mcymabm@voila.fr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. > Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
jose.esteller <jose.esteller@...>
Hi all,
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I agree with the mail of Eric Mejean I am owner of Amel boats from 15 years ( one Maramu 3 years, a first SM N 51 during 11 years and now a second SM N 426 ) I can say that i had not mayor problemes with this 3 boats, and every time in every part of Atlantic or Mediterranean I found the assistance of Amel, calling by phone or via email, and always receiving the spare parts that I need , with not any mistake, Amel beeing one of the constructors that has in computer all the story of each boat. Best regards at all JOSE SM 426 SILVIA IV
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From: "G D" <maramu@hotmail.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker Dear All
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
dlm48@...
In a message dated 25/06/2006 12:11:53 GMT Daylight Time,
j.c.mcdougall@btinternet.com writes: am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used. Thanks in advance, John McDougall "54" - no. 21 Dont pickle it and use it as much as possible - if you dont intend to use it lots you should not have got a watermaker - watermakers love to be used - dont use them and you will get lots of problems - perhaps before you added this watermaker to the boat you should have done some research and understood the operation as well as the plusses and minuses of a watermaker. regards David
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
dlm48@...
In a message dated 25/06/2006 08:22:01 GMT Daylight Time,
roger.banks@mac.com writes: I'll speak up in support of Erick Mejean as I have been wondering for some time how to say politely that the site postings have become way my largest source of email and pretty boring on the topic of the water maker. Perhaps the interested parties could continue it off the site, by direct email amongst yourselves please. Regards, Roger Message from Roger Banks Mobile: 0407 91 4601 Home: +61 2 6291 4601 I thought that this was what the delete key was for - if a subject is of no interest to you press it - i find this thread very interesting. regards David
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
dlm48@...
Totally cant agree with the line of this post - not having any axe to grind
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her at all being a totally impartial observer - it would appear to me that the watermaker does not do what it says - or is advertised as doing - that has nothing to do with routine maintenance - or even routine upgrades of equipment. To me if both Amel and Dessalator say the watermaker does something - (that something would appear to be that the watermaker automatically routes good water to the fresh water storage tank and makes sure that salt water cannot be routed to the fresh water tank) - and then someone discovers that this circuit is non functional - because it is not even connected - and this is not a manufacturing or a quality problem but a deliberate act by Dessalator then this thread is a very valid thread. I dont see any hidden agenda here at all - in fact quite the opposite a very open and upfront one - they want this advertised feature operative - the present situation is deception and a breach of the trades description act as a minimum. regards David.
In a message dated 25/06/2006 07:31:12 GMT Daylight Time, maramu@hotmail.com
writes: Dear All I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the topics discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got to know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members for their helpful contributions) Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them have some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then I got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges were lacking of honesty. Let’s be serious for a while. How ones can claims that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the dish washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I read which don’t make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I don’t even want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound so unrealistic. I’m sorry to say that some of the stories which I read here have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments.………………. I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. I’m just the happy owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job extremely well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal. Don’t expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs, carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It is part of sailing…….. Owning a boat is not cheap. Now let’s be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept the principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all of us in an honest spirit. Don’t make use of this forum to serve your own interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest of the members. I don’t want to open an additional sterile polemic. Wit best regards Erick MEJEAN ----Original Message Follows---- From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Hi Ian, I am very glad with your last post on this forum. As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did you send it as registered mail? I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, or similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating suing Dessalator in a legal action?. Regards. Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE Blue Marine SM 311 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
Roger Banks <roger.banks@...>
I'll speak up in support of Erick Mejean as I have been wondering for
some time how to say politely that the site postings have become way my largest source of email and pretty boring on the topic of the water maker. Perhaps the interested parties could continue it off the site, by direct email amongst yourselves please. Regards, Roger Message from Roger Banks Mobile: 0407 91 4601 Home: +61 2 6291 4601 On 25/06/2006, at 4:31 PM, G D wrote: Dear All [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
G D <maramu@...>
Dear All
I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the topics discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got to know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members for their helpful contributions) Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them have some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then I got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges were lacking of honesty. Lets be serious for a while. How ones can claims that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the dish washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I read which dont make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I dont even want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound so unrealistic. Im sorry to say that some of the stories which I read here have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments.. I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. Im just the happy owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job extremely well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal. Dont expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs, carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It is part of sailing.. Owning a boat is not cheap. Now lets be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept the principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all of us in an honest spirit. Dont make use of this forum to serve your own interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest of the members. I dont want to open an additional sterile polemic. Wit best regards Erick MEJEAN ----Original Message Follows---- From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Hi Ian, I am very glad with your last post on this forum. As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did you send it as registered mail? I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, or similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating suing Dessalator in a legal action?. Regards. Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE Blue Marine SM 311 mcymabm@voila.fr
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker
eric freedman
Gary,
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Thanks for the reference- Oddly enough, I had purchased an r/o unit for my house from them on eBay a year ago. Much easier than lugging bottled water. Works great. Just in case, I purchased the calibration liquid from Omega. However, I believe that the membranes are a goner. VERY DISSAPOINING!! If they are dead-This weekend the membranes come out. I had planned to head into the Pacific from St Martin last month but headed home to New York for some additional work before heading off. What a disaster that would have been -imagine trying to get the unit fixed in the Galapagos. Thanks for all your help. Fair Winds, Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:47 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker Eric: See message # 2290, The vendor for the membranes is in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA Gary--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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