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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
 

Hi Gary & John.

I have now found out why my inline TDS meter continuously gives an 'Error'
reading. It is not to do with the orientation of the probe at all. The
problem is that the water maker output is so polluted that meter is out of
range. It was a guest on board today that refused a glass of water that
aroused my suspicions. I guess I had got used to the taste, but she
convinced me that something was wrong. I thought it may have been a dirty 50
micron filter, but changing it did nothing to the taste. Another test with a
Hanna confirmed a seriously polluted output (860 with an 'E' in the top
right hand corner.

So yet another case of being fooled by the green light, which as we now know
means nothing.

I have disassembled the 160 l/h membranes which have 185 hours use. (For
Eric- if you have not yet removed your membranes, I can confirm that it is
best to remove the whole cradle first, then unscrew the rods. The only nasty
part of the job is reaching the self tapping screws that hold the blower
ducting together. You may need to do this to get to the two outboard roof
bolts, depending on your installation. My 110/220V transformer gets in the
way of the side screw).

Gary, I am concerned that the sea water side of the membranes is only
isolated from the centre output tube by a single 0-ring on the membrane
nipple. Do you really think this seal is sufficient to reliably withstand a
60 Bar or 870 PSI sideways pressure? ( have the nylon end caps). The caps
don't seem to be a very tight fit on the nipple seal, so this may be the
root of my problem rather than the membranes themselves.

I will get some new seals and jury rig the assembly for a trial. I use
silicon grease on seals. Do you think that the seal may do a better job with
sealant perhaps, at the expense of more difficulty in getting it apart
again? If so, can you recommend any particular type or brand of sealant for
this application?

I was interested to read about your flying exploits. Not so long ago Steve
Jones who was a UK aerobatic champ took me up in his Sukoi. After 19,500
hours of commercial flying, it was the most hair raising experience of my
life! I take my hat off to you for being able to stay ahead of the aircraft
whilst the world is a 270 degree per second roll rate blur and the G-meter
is swinging from +7 to -5! Currently I fly hang gliders, paragliders and
sailplanes.

Cheers

Ian Shepherd SM414 'Crusader'

-------Original Message-------

From: amelliahona
Date: 6/14/2006 2:38:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

Ian:

Have you tried orienting the sensor horizontally or inverted? I found that
my
sensor didn't give consistent readings when I had it mounted vertically. I
think
that perhaps the probes weren't long enough and there was an air bubble
trapped when it was upright. See the photo of my installation in the photo
section and you will see that my sensor is now mounted horizontally and in
that orientation any air in the system is washed past the probes yet the
sensor
probes remain imersed in product water. Just a thought.

Regards, Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <ocean53@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Is your TDS meter made by HM Digital? Mine is, and no matter where I put
it
in the blue output line, all I get is an 'Err' message when the water
maker
is producing water. It does give a reading when the flow is stopped, i.e.
Just after shutdown, and it works fine in a cup of water. It seems not
able
to cope with a decent flow rate. I have tried just after the membrane
output
and just after the control panel with the same result. I have waited 5-10
minutes as per Gary's suggestion, but get the same result.

I would appreciate any advice. Like you, I have never used chemicals on my
membranes. Only the occasional back flush with self made water when not in
use for a while.

Cheers

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader

-------Original Message-------

From: John and Anne on Bali Hai
Date: 06/08/06 09:17:08
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker,TDS meter

There seems to be no doubt that the dessalateur salinity detector is
non functioning.A cheap and easy solution is to fit a simple TDS meter
in the output line.Such a meter is sold by an American company
tdsmeter.com and also sold in the UK ro-man.com for £23.50.
It is very small and has two sensors. I did not use the "in" sensor
and put the "out" sensor in the blue output line which can be found
behind the wooden cover at the front ot the big cockpit locker. This
blue pipe is easily cut with a razor knife and the ends pushed in as
far as they will go into the sensor. The wires from the sensors are
connected to the meter with a plug which is quite hard to pull out.
Once removed the plug can be pushed through the small gap created by
removing the screws holding the panel in place in the galley. The
meter is held in place with velcro.
The actual meter is only 3x2x0.75 inches with a very small screen.It
is powered by two button cells and stays on for about 20-30 seconds
when the on button is pushed. It does not have an alarm. It is sold
either with fittings for a small or a larger tube which is needed for
my 160ltr ph watermaker.Make sure that the tubes are pushed fully in
and the do a freshwater flush of the membranes to make sure there are
no leaks before replacing the coverboard.
I used it yesterday for the first time and got an initial reading of
over 9,000 ppm which soon went down to about 360ppm which is better
than Maltese mains water.
Incidentally I have followed Olivier's advice and never sterilised or
pickled the membranes which are still delivering 160 ltr. ph. even
though the machine stands idle for about five months a year. We do
however always flush it with product water after use if it is going to
stand idle for more than a few days. We never take on shore water and
rely totally on this machine.
With the benefit of hind sight I should have put both sensors in the
product out line !

Best wishes to all, Anne and John, SM 319








More H20 discussion

Ag Av8ter
 

Hello Fellow Sailors,

I am adding to the watermaker free for all. I have SM #266, and she has
the D60 watermaker. I replaced the membranes last January and have
about 220 hours on the system since then. My only complaint is that I
can only make 30 LPH. We live aboard and are on the hook, so we live
off the water we can make. At this time we have no way of collecting
rain water, but we plan to design and make a rain water collector.
Meanwhile, we are going to be in Guadalupe soon to have some other work
done. Question: For those of you that have the "bigger" watermaker,
what kind of out put are you experiancing? If I can expect to get over
100 LPH, I will consider purchasing the larger unit and installing it
while at Guadalupe. Anyone in the market for a D60 with "new"
membranes?

I have had no trouble with the D60, other than we go through water way
faster than we can make it!!

Good sailing to you all,
Tony
WORLD CITIZEN
SM #266


Re: serto end caps

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Eric:


The Serto brand connectors are the gray plastic ones that Dessalator used
throughout their system. I could not find a source for them in the USA.

I forget the brand of the white connectors that I used. I purchased them
at Home Depot here in the USA. There are pipe thread to snap connector
adapters and all sorts of other adapters in that brand. If you are having
trouble finding a source let me know and I can purchase some for you
and mail them to you.

Where are you located now?

Gary

Gary,
i noticed in one of your photos you mentioned serto end caps.
where did you ger them?
thanks
eric


serto end caps

eric freedman
 

Gary,
i noticed in one of your photos you mentioned serto end caps.
where did you ger them?
thanks
eric


[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

29 June 2006
Hi Eric:

RE: Your Question:

"... why did you mount the omega quality sensor in a loop parallel
to the water flow and not in series with the output water?'

I only had "T" connectors at the time. Sorry to report that there was
no special engineering involved. It has worked well this way so I
haven't changed it. Someone reported problems with their sensor
in turbulant flow so I have choosen to leave well enough alone.

Let me know if you install yours in series and suffer any problems.

".... did you have any trouble connecting the blue 3/8 inch plastic
hose to the Amel fitting? did you heat it to fit over the fitting?"

No and No. The 3/8 fittings quick connect press on fittings
fit perfectly and sealed without problem to the blue tubing
where I cut it. The extra 3/8 inch tubing (the clear stuff in
the photo) that I purchased at Home Depot fit well. I have had no
leaks and the rating on the fittings was something like 100 psi.
There is really virtually no pressure on this line.

Glad to hear that the end caps came off with so little effort.
Did the O-rings that you ordered fit ok?

I wired a Sonalert to the relay output of the EC sensor and
quickly discovered I needed a mute switch for when the water
maker starts up and the TDS creep causes it to alarm for the
first minute or two. I put the LEDs in just to verify that there
was 24 volt power to the Sonalert, and for a visual indication
of the alarm condition if I forgot to throw the "mute" switch
to the arm position after system start up. If others would
like a schematic of my set up I will draw one up and put it
in the files section of the site.

I appreciated Joel's post and it is nice to have him confirm that
his experiences with Dessalator have been the same as mine.
I agree completely with his analysis. Amel has been, and
continues to be, the finest company I have ever done
business with. Jean Jacques and Olivier are top notch and as
honest as the day is long. I assure the members of this site
that I do not hold a grudge against Dessalator, I have just
moved on. No hidden agendas.

Kindest regards,
Gary Silver

Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335


Amel Santorin

uno.genesis <uno.genesis@...>
 

Dear all.
I'm looking for an Amel Santorin to buy. Does any body knows of any in
the market in Kroatia . I will be in the area in September. Please
advise me.
Thanks in advance


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT SM 2000

Dr. Seidel <mseidel@...>
 

Is the Peter Pappas the same one who worked in Wilmington, N.C. and played football for Bear Bryant. Then moved to Birmingham to work at the University in I.D.?. Murray Seidel mseidel @ec.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter pappas" <pjppappas@yahoo.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: REPLACEMENT BULB FOR MIZZEN DECK LIGHT SM 2000


thank you

amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "pjppappas" <pjppappas@...> wrote:
The bulbs for my Foredeck Light and Cockpit Light are General Electric GE 4502 Lamps (28
vollt, 50 watt). There are also surely direct replacements (size, wattage & voltage from other
manufacturers.

Regards, Gary Silver, Amel SM Hull # 335






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changing the subject

amelforme
 

Hello John,

I hope you won't think I'm picking on you but the advice you
gave is not correct.

The Heart inverter charger is a nice piece of gear. It will
also pull, in our opinion, too much out of the 24 volt bank
when used to operate the microwave or other high current
items.

Additionally, be very careful when running 110 volt
appliances on stepped down 220 volt power. The power
remains 50 cycle, not 60 cycle. This won't matter with
drills and blenders but will quickly destroy televisions and
stereo equipment as well as most bread makers and espresso
machines as the "brain" of these devices take their timing
signature off 60 cycle, not 50 cycle. 50 cycle will destroy
sophisticated 110 volt components very quickly.

Be careful.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter
AMEL 54, Hull # 14 - HOLLIS


Changing the subject

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Hello, If anyone is buying a new 54, I would sugest he have Amel install a European model of the Heart inverter/charger in addition to the standard 35 amp charger. I have one on my Amel and without turning on the generator, I can use the micro wave. Also it is wired to the 220 volt circuit so I can use any 220 applience without using the generator. It puts out the reqiuired 50hq. so its safe for the european products. The real advantage is I can run any american applience, drills, my new 1 hour bread machine, etc. by pluging in the norm
al travel adapters you carry when you go over seas.
John "Moondog" SM248

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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker

eric freedman
 

Gary,
the watermaker membrane assembly is apart. Just a Sears rubber strap
wrench on the end caps and it came apart in 10 minutes.
----thanks for all the help and pix. i ordered the membranes from
your source and the "o"rings from maryland metrics. they had them in
stock--ps they also have the amel metric lips seals for the bow
thruster. I ordered new end caps and connecting bobbin from amel.
mine looked a little too worn.

my question de jour is why did you mount the omega quality sensor in
a loop parallel to the water flow and not in series with the output
water?

also did you have any trouble connecting the blue 3/8 inch plastic
hose to the Amel fitting? did you heat it to fit over the fitting?

Fair winds,
eric



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Gary,

Thanks for the reference-

Oddly enough, I had purchased an r/o unit for my house from them
on eBay a
year ago.

Much easier than lugging bottled water.

Works great.



Just in case, I purchased the calibration liquid from Omega.

However, I believe that the membranes are a goner. VERY
DISSAPOINING!!

If they are dead-This weekend the membranes come out.



I had planned to head into the Pacific from St Martin last month
but headed
home to New York for some additional work before heading off.

What a disaster that would have been -imagine trying to get the
unit fixed
in the Galapagos.



Thanks for all your help.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker



Eric:

See message # 2290, The vendor for the membranes is
in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA

Gary--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi Gary,

Thanks for the clarification.

I could not find the post that stated where you purchased your
new
membranes.

Could you give me the name and contact info?

Thanks

Eric






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

amelforme
 

Greetings everyone,

O.K.! Alright already!! I can't believe how many of you
have asked me to weigh in on the watermaker issue. I really
don't want to become a defacto referee. Please remember,
although my opinions may be tempered by my nearly 25 year
long relationship with AMEL as their marketing man in the
Americas, my comments come from Joel the AMEL 54 owner and
not from AMEL. That is important.

I have never received a satisfactory, straight up, cut and
dried answer from Dessalator on the issue of the salt
sensor. Always polite, always gentle, but no answer. I
have accepted the obvious, they just don't want to say
anything.

I think that guys like Gary Silver and Eric Freedman are a
true benefit to us all. I know both of these gents as I
sold them their boats. They are both extremely
knowledgeable and capable, and without ego problems. Their
desire is for a common body of knowledge and experience
which will benefit us all. They'll get mad at me for
telling you this but Gary built, with his own two hands, a
two place aerobatic bi-plane that he tumbles around in. If
you ask him real nice he'll take you up in it and make you
hurl so hard you'll wish you were never born. Eric has an
electrical engineering degree from MIT and he has forgotten
more about electricity than most of us will ever know. They
are not trouble makers. They are valuable. They never
incite. The vast majority of you are the same, just wishing
to promote the common good. No agendas. Nothing to prove.
Good folks.

On the other hand, I have always noticed, with AMEL folks
and otherwise that it's 10% of the people who have 90% of
the problems. This 10% crew are always looking for
retribution because NOTHING is without blame. NOTHING is
ever their fault. The world isn't a fair place and this
group feels particularly persecuted.

Boats are machines. Machines wear with use. Shit happens.
It comes from my experience and not loyalty that our AMEL
boats have far less problems than ANY other boat from ANY
manufacturer. I have spent over 30 years
sailing/building/fixing/selling all kinds of cruising
sailboat until in the last ten years going more or less
exclusively with AMEL with the odd brokerage boat the
exception. Our AMEL boats are not trouble prone. I am sure
of this.

To suggest that Olivier Beaute or Jean Jacques Lemonnier are
less than 100% forthright is just plain wrong. Jean Jacques
is the fairest person I know with the wisdom of Solomon.
That said, don't try to bully him into anything. You will
go backwards gently. Olivier could not be involved in a
conspiracy if his life depended on it. He is just not
capable of being dishonest. To suggest they know that there
is a defect in our watermakers is ridiculous. I'm not waving
the company flag here. This is just simply the truth.

Consider this.I pay for my boats that I use as demonstrators
here in America. I don't pay for my spare parts assortment
that comes with the boat. Every boat I have received from
AMEL has a spare salt sensor in the inventory. Why would
they incur the expense of sending me something that has no
value or use if they indeed knew that were the case?

I will ask Jean Jacques to address our issue personally with
Dessalator and then I'll step back. No promises.

The comments from most owners about maintenance are correct.
Use your watermakers, change your thinking if need be.wash
your masts, booms, rigging, decks, dinghy's, dive gear. Use
water abundantly. It's good for you. If you run your
watermakers three times a week, it will last a long, long
time.

Unless you will not use it for more than 7 months, DON'T
PICKLE IT. Just flush it with it's own product water.
Seriously I have years of experience with boats that stay
dormant while for sale. The ones that are pickled have 95%
of the failures. If you do pickle it, FOLLOW THE
INSTRUCTIONS. Like most things, if enough is plenty, more
isn't better. Mix the solution carefully.

Let's see now, who haven't' I pissed off yet.

My intention here is to be helpful. As an AMEL marketing
man, I can say that our boats retain value better than any
others I can think of. This is mainly because of all of
you. You are our best salespeople. I am happy to direct
potential buyers to our site with only a brief admonition
about bad apples.

Look at other boat manufacturers independent owner groups.
Yikes! These people are angry!! Let's not bite the hand
that feeds us. If you have a problem, gently and carefully
address the source. If that doesn't work, seek more
aggressive means in gradual steps. You can privately address
your concerns to a number of sources, me included if need
be, for a point in the right direction to solve your issues,
but not on the site. But please, it's best not to belabor
things on the site and don't fly your dirty laundry here.

I'll stop now.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter,
AMEL 54 # 14, HOLLIS


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Hello John,
Congratulations on getting a 54.I should be happy to hear your views on the plusses and minuses over your 53, my address is annejohnat melita.net.
As you keep your boat in the south of France and do not do extended cruises and clearly use mains water most of the time there seems little reason to have a watermaker. I took Olivier's advice and have never pickled my 160 ltr machine. I use it as my sole source of fresh water and thus can flush it with product water before and after use. Mains water,especially in marinas, often contains relatively high levels of chlorine presumably because the long runs of piping on the pontoons is conducive of bacterial pollution. Since chlorine is damaging to the membranes you would be ill advised to use it to flush your system and ,I suppose, would be better advised to find out from the manufacturers what to use to pickle and preserve the membranes against the day when you may have to depend on it. This is what PUR do with those emergency hand operated watermakers which have to be serviced once a year by an agent.
There is clearly a fault in the version of the watermaker which is adapted to Amels specification because the machine claims to have an alarm and salt sensor when it does not. I have had three different water makers over the twelve years that we cruised as far as Australia and all relied on tasting a sample before putting product into the tank. That the Amel version gives no warning is an extremely dangerous fact of life for unwary long distance liveaboards and it is not surprising that the subject has suffered such an airing on the site.
At the end of the day all equipment is likely to fail at some time or another and the taste test is so simple and reliable that all the other suggestions are high tech complications. I have fitted a TDS meter only because it was easier than sourcing and fitting a two way junction and faucet in Malta so that product went to waste until approved by the PTT (Pink Tongue Test) and then manually diverted to the tanks
Whilst I sympathise with the latest postings complaining about the flood of stuff on this subject the fact remains that if one were to rely on sensors etc. one would be running a big risk crossing big oceans.
Enjoy your new boat.
Best wishes from Anne and John, SM 319

----- Original Message -----
From: dlm48@aol.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker



In a message dated 25/06/2006 12:11:53 GMT Daylight Time,
j.c.mcdougall@btinternet.com writes:

am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the
watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if
someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for
maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and
unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used.

Thanks in advance,
John McDougall
"54" - no. 21

Dont pickle it and use it as much as possible - if you dont intend to use it
lots you should not have got a watermaker - watermakers love to be used -
dont use them and you will get lots of problems - perhaps before you added this
watermaker to the boat you should have done some research and understood the
operation as well as the plusses and minuses of a watermaker.

regards

David


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
 

Hi,

I do agree that the comments and messages regarding the watermaker have
become overpowering but before the the subject is closed, could I ask for a
little help. In April I took delivery of my "54" which is equipped with the
160l/hr watermaker. My previous SM did not have a watermaker and I only
specified this item now because the "54" uses fresh water for the toilets
and Amel would not alter the specification in order to use seawater for the
toilets.

I am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the
watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if
someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for
maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and
unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used.

Thanks in advance,
John McDougall
"54" - no. 21

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jose.esteller
Sent: 25 June 2006 09:29
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker


Hi all,

I agree with the mail of Eric Mejean

I am owner of Amel boats from 15 years ( one Maramu 3 years, a first SM N°
51 during 11 years and now a second SM N° 426 )
I can say that i had not mayor problemes with this 3 boats, and every time
in every part of Atlantic or Mediterranean I found the assistance of Amel,
calling by phone or via email, and always receiving the spare parts that I
need , with not any mistake, Amel beeing one of the constructors that has
in
computer all the story of each boat.

Best regards at all

JOSE SM 426 SILVIA IV

----- Original Message -----
From: "G D" <maramu@hotmail.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

> Dear All
> I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the
> topics
> discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we
got
> to
> know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members
> for
> their helpful contributions)
> Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the
topics
> interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the
> different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them
> have
> some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing
back
> the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago.
Then
> I
> got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the
exchanges
> were lacking of honesty. Let's be serious for a while. How ones can
claims
> that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the
> dish
> washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which
I
> read which don't make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I don't even
> want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they
sound
> so unrealistic. I'm sorry to say that some of the stories which I read
> here
> have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments........
> I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. I'm just the happy
> owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some
> breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are
made
> in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new
equipments
> are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job
> extremely
> well although through all these years I have made some improvements or
had
> to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal.
> Don't expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs,
> carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It
> is
> part of sailing.... Owning a boat is not cheap.
> Now let's be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your
life
> and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you
think
> you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept
> the
> principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason
to
> state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated
> equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the
same
> boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please
> spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with
as
> long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all
> of
> us in an honest spirit. Don't make use of this forum to serve your own
> interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To
> finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the
rest
> of
> the members. I don't want to open an additional sterile polemic.
>
> Wit best regards
> Erick MEJEAN
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr>
> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST)
>
> Hi Ian,
>
> I am very glad with your last post on this forum.
>
> As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did
> you
> send it as registered mail?
>
>
> I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description
Act,
> or
> similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating
> suing
> Dessalator in a legal action?.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
> Blue Marine
> SM 311
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

jose.esteller <jose.esteller@...>
 

Hi all,

I agree with the mail of Eric Mejean

I am owner of Amel boats from 15 years ( one Maramu 3 years, a first SM N 51 during 11 years and now a second SM N 426 )
I can say that i had not mayor problemes with this 3 boats, and every time in every part of Atlantic or Mediterranean I found the assistance of Amel, calling by phone or via email, and always receiving the spare parts that I need , with not any mistake, Amel beeing one of the constructors that has in computer all the story of each boat.

Best regards at all

JOSE SM 426 SILVIA IV

----- Original Message -----
From: "G D" <maramu@hotmail.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker


Dear All
I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the topics
discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got to
know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members for
their helpful contributions)
Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics
interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the
different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them have
some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back
the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then I
got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges
were lacking of honesty. Let's be serious for a while. How ones can claims
that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the dish
washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I
read which don't make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I don't even
want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound
so unrealistic. I'm sorry to say that some of the stories which I read here
have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments........
I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. I'm just the happy
owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some
breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made
in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments
are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job extremely
well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had
to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal.
Don't expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs,
carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It is
part of sailing.... Owning a boat is not cheap.
Now let's be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life
and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think
you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept the
principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to
state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated
equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same
boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please
spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as
long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all of
us in an honest spirit. Don't make use of this forum to serve your own
interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To
finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest of
the members. I don't want to open an additional sterile polemic.

Wit best regards
Erick MEJEAN


----Original Message Follows----
From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Ian,

I am very glad with your last post on this forum.

As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did you
send it as registered mail?


I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, or
similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating suing
Dessalator in a legal action?.

Regards.


Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
Blue Marine
SM 311




mcymabm@voila.fr







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

dlm48@...
 

In a message dated 25/06/2006 12:11:53 GMT Daylight Time,
j.c.mcdougall@btinternet.com writes:

am therefore ignorant of the recommended procedures for maintaining the
watermaker and the manual is not helpful in this respect. Could I ask if
someone could supply a brief schedule of recommended procedure for
maintenance as "pickling", TDS meters and other things mentioned are new and
unknown territory for me. My watermaker will not be heavily used.

Thanks in advance,
John McDougall
"54" - no. 21



Dont pickle it and use it as much as possible - if you dont intend to use it
lots you should not have got a watermaker - watermakers love to be used -
dont use them and you will get lots of problems - perhaps before you added this
watermaker to the boat you should have done some research and understood the
operation as well as the plusses and minuses of a watermaker.

regards

David


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

dlm48@...
 

In a message dated 25/06/2006 08:22:01 GMT Daylight Time,
roger.banks@mac.com writes:

I'll speak up in support of Erick Mejean as I have been wondering for
some time how to say politely that the site postings have become way
my largest source of email and pretty boring on the topic of the
water maker. Perhaps the interested parties could continue it off the
site, by direct email amongst yourselves please.

Regards, Roger
Message from Roger Banks
Mobile: 0407 91 4601
Home: +61 2 6291 4601



I thought that this was what the delete key was for - if a subject is of no
interest to you press it - i find this thread very interesting.

regards

David


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

dlm48@...
 

Totally cant agree with the line of this post - not having any axe to grind
her at all being a totally impartial observer - it would appear to me that the
watermaker does not do what it says - or is advertised as doing - that has
nothing to do with routine maintenance - or even routine upgrades of
equipment. To me if both Amel and Dessalator say the watermaker does something - (that
something would appear to be that the watermaker automatically routes good
water to the fresh water storage tank and makes sure that salt water cannot be
routed to the fresh water tank) - and then someone discovers that this
circuit is non functional - because it is not even connected - and this is not a
manufacturing or a quality problem but a deliberate act by Dessalator then
this thread is a very valid thread. I dont see any hidden agenda here at all -
in fact quite the opposite a very open and upfront one - they want this
advertised feature operative - the present situation is deception and a breach
of the trades description act as a minimum.

regards

David.

In a message dated 25/06/2006 07:31:12 GMT Daylight Time, maramu@hotmail.com
writes:

Dear All
I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the topics
discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got to
know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members for
their helpful contributions)
Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics
interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the
different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them have
some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back
the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then I
got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges
were lacking of honesty. Let’s be serious for a while. How ones can claims
that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the dish
washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I
read which don’t make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I don’t even
want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound
so unrealistic. I’m sorry to say that some of the stories which I read here
have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments.……………….
I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. I’m just the happy
owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some
breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made
in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments
are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job extremely
well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had
to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal.
Don’t expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs,
carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It is
part of sailing…….. Owning a boat is not cheap.
Now let’s be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life
and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think
you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept the
principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to
state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated
equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same
boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please
spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as
long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all of
us in an honest spirit. Don’t make use of this forum to serve your own
interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To
finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest of
the members. I don’t want to open an additional sterile polemic.

Wit best regards
Erick MEJEAN


----Original Message Follows----
From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Ian,

I am very glad with your last post on this forum.

As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did you
send it as registered mail?


I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, or
similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating suing
Dessalator in a legal action?.

Regards.


Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
Blue Marine
SM 311




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

Roger Banks <roger.banks@...>
 

I'll speak up in support of Erick Mejean as I have been wondering for
some time how to say politely that the site postings have become way
my largest source of email and pretty boring on the topic of the
water maker. Perhaps the interested parties could continue it off the
site, by direct email amongst yourselves please.

Regards, Roger
Message from Roger Banks
Mobile: 0407 91 4601
Home: +61 2 6291 4601


On 25/06/2006, at 4:31 PM, G D wrote:

Dear All
I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of
the topics
discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions,
we got to
know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the
members for
their helpful contributions)
Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the
topics
interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the
different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of
them have
some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by
bringing back
the same old issues which have been already discussed long time
ago. Then I
got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the
exchanges
were lacking of honesty. Lets be serious for a while. How ones can
claims
that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine,
the dish
washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories
which I
read which dont make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I dont
even
want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as
they sound
so unrealistic. Im sorry to say that some of the stories which I
read here
have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments.

.
I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. Im just the
happy
owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some
breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses
are made
in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new
equipments
are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job
extremely
well although through all these years I have made some improvements
or had
to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal.
Dont expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some
repairs,
carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some
equipments. It is
part of sailing

.. Owning a boat is not cheap.
Now lets be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled
your life
and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you
think
you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that.
Accept the
principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient
reason to
state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated
equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of
the same
boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning.
Please
spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum
with as
long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting
for all of
us in an honest spirit. Dont make use of this forum to serve your own
interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To
finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to
the rest of
the members. I dont want to open an additional sterile polemic.

Wit best regards
Erick MEJEAN


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker

G D <maramu@...>
 

Dear All
I have been following this forum for many years. I found most of the topics discussed very interesting as at the end, through the discussions, we got to know our boat better. (I take this opportunity to thank all the members for their helpful contributions)
Sometimes ago appeared the Watermaker issue. I initially found the topics interesting, and then I quickly become a bit uncomfortable with the different postings made by certain members. It seems that some of them have some interests in keeping the topic alive again and again by bringing back the same old issues which have been already discussed long time ago. Then I got the feeling that there was an obvious hidden agenda and the exchanges were lacking of honesty. Lets be serious for a while. How ones can claims that the failure of the Watermaker has spoiled the washing machine, the dish washer the pumps and the water heater not to mention other stories which I read which dont make any sense. This is purely ridiculous. I dont even want to argue on the technical feasibility of such scenarios as they sound so unrealistic. Im sorry to say that some of the stories which I read here have more to do with the sailor than the boat or its equipments..
I have no interest neither with Dessalator nor Amel. Im just the happy owner of my SM. Obviously through my 7 years of ownership I had some breakdown, I did change some equipments as every year, progresses are made in terms of efficiency, electronic improves as well as many new equipments are launched. With regards to my Dessalator, it has done his job extremely well although through all these years I have made some improvements or had to change some parts. To me this is absolutely normal.
Dont expect to own a sailing boat without having to make some repairs, carry out extensive maintenance and regularly change some equipments. It is part of sailing.. Owning a boat is not cheap.
Now lets be practical gentlemen. If your watermaker has spoiled your life and you boat for so many years then buy another one and do what you think you should do against the manufacturer. It is as simple as that. Accept the principle that some equipment may fail. This is not a sufficient reason to state that they are shameful equipments. Even the most sophisticated equipments can fail. We are hundreds on this forum to make us of the same boat without having the kind of problems that you are mentioning. Please spare us the kind of discussion that you are overflowing the forum with as long as you have an hidden agenda. Share what can be interesting for all of us in an honest spirit. Dont make use of this forum to serve your own interests. I believe that this is the spirit of this forum founder. To finish spare me your answer as I believe it is of no interest to the rest of the members. I dont want to open an additional sterile polemic.

Wit best regards
Erick MEJEAN


----Original Message Follows----
From: "mcymabm@voila.fr" <mcymabm@voila.fr>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: Forum US <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] watermaker
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:24:04 +0200 (CEST)

Hi Ian,

I am very glad with your last post on this forum.

As to the letter to send to J.J. Lemonnier, I am about to write it. Did you send it as registered mail?


I quite agree that this behaviour is breaking the Trades Description Act, or similar in other countries. Does that mean that you are contemplating suing Dessalator in a legal action?.

Regards.


Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
Blue Marine
SM 311




mcymabm@voila.fr


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker

eric freedman
 

Gary,

Thanks for the reference-

Oddly enough, I had purchased an r/o unit for my house from them on eBay a
year ago.

Much easier than lugging bottled water.

Works great.



Just in case, I purchased the calibration liquid from Omega.

However, I believe that the membranes are a goner. VERY DISSAPOINING!!

If they are dead-This weekend the membranes come out.



I had planned to head into the Pacific from St Martin last month but headed
home to New York for some additional work before heading off.

What a disaster that would have been -imagine trying to get the unit fixed
in the Galapagos.



Thanks for all your help.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: watermaker



Eric:

See message # 2290, The vendor for the membranes is
in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA

Gary--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...>
wrote:


Hi Gary,

Thanks for the clarification.

I could not find the post that stated where you purchased your new
membranes.

Could you give me the name and contact info?

Thanks

Eric