Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob

Hi Bob,

I have just replaced my charger on my SM by a Mastervolt 24/50. Mastervolt
seems to be among of the best products as far as I heard.
The maritime electrical specialist in Italy told me, that normally he is
installing a charger of about 10% of the installed battery capacity.
So I have 400amps, e.g. 50amps charger should be ok in my case. I made good
experience so far with this new Mastervolt (the 24/50 is costing about
1700$. If you buy 2, the cost will definitely be higher that for 1.
By the way, I have not yet installed the new cable for the temperature
sensor. The old cable has different conectors and the way through the boat
to the batteries is seemingly sealed waterproof. I do not want to make a
hole just for the purpose of this sensor. I would be interested to know how
you will solve that minor problem.

Regards
Paul SM 227


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Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 01:42
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger


I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob






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Hi Bob
I have replaced mine by a Mastervolt 100 Amp. To my opinion and experience a capacity of 60 amp is too small. The benefit of splitting 100 amp into 2x50 is that when you are connected to a pontoon which cannot take a big electrical load you can avoid trigging the pontoon circuit breaker by using only one charger. Personally I prefer to use the 100 amp and regulate the charger through the Mastervolt charger from 0 to 100 amp. This regulator is not provided with the charger and has to be purshased separately. You will find all the information on Mastervolt web site

With best regards
Erick

----Original Message Follows----
From: minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:42:24 -0000


I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob

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I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob

Would anyone know the production dates for the Mango that was
fitted with the 2nd generation Nirvana masts and furler? I
understand that this rig is imroved over the first series. Also, as
I am interested in purchasing a Mango, are there other major
equipment or manufacturing changes during the production run that I
should look for or limit myself to? For instance I think the masts
mentioned above were fitted to 1987 boats and later.
Your help and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
James

Walter,
Thanks for the quick reply. We'll check with AMEL.

How are things back home? MACCABEE arrived home last May and although we are still living aboard, we are quite adapted back to a "land" existence. I am currently on the last day of a 14 day teaching delivery to the Virgin Islands from Florida.

Regards to your wife and family.

Steve Leeds
Yacht MACCABEE



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Thanks for your quick response! We'll give it a try.

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Steve,
We had exactly the same problems on our 2002 SMM. It started after we
snagged the bow thruster on a mooring lint. Amel was pretty sure it was the
brushes, and the sent us a new motor because it was still under warranty.
However, extra brushes are usually included in the standard spare parts that
comes with the boat, and there should be some instructions in the manual or
send an email to Amel.

Walter Lundstrom
Ex. Owner LINNEA
Hull no. 366


After that, we were p

Steve

I am currently sailing on SPIRIT GUIDE, a 2002 Super Maramu #348 (ex-
CHANCE), owed by Matthew and Lori Moore. We have just started
experiencing a problem with the drop and lift motor of the bow
thruster. The bow thruster won't go down by itself after operating
the cockpit switch unless we give the lift motor/electrical box a
sharp tap then it operates as usual. It also sticks in the down
position. We have checked all the wire terminals in the attached
control box and believe all the wires to be OK and the connections
good. The motor itself seems to require special tools to check the
brushes.

We suspect either the motor brushes or relay in the control box to
be the problem.

Has anyone else expirienced this type of problem?

Steve Leeds
Yacht MACCABEE
Sharki #121

Steve,

We had a similar experience a year or so ago with our SM 336, MALAIKA II. It
turned out that one of the microswitches had slipped out of adjustment causing
the safety interlock to stop the bowthruster motor from operating. AMEL sent
us a series of patterns for the lights on the sensors (fully up, raising,
lowering, fully down) and we were easily able to readjust the switches.

Good luck,
Charlie
S/V MALAIKA II
Marina Port Vell
Barcelona, SPAIN

Greetings to the Amel network

May we, as hopeful purchasers of a Supermaramu, ask if anyone could assist us with the purchase price in 1994 of a new (standard) Supermaramu.

We'd be most grateful for any assistance you might be able to offer.

In anticipation -

The McGuires

25 Feb 2005

Thanks to everyone who ordered impeller pullers. I have had a bunch
made up and will be shipping them shortly. Please let me know how
these work for you or any ideas for improvement. I am sending one
to Joel to see if he could have them made in France and provided to
each new Amel owner. I have also fabricated some thumb screws for
the impeller covers so that the cover can be removed by hand without
having to fumble with tools. I'll post some pictures of those as
well.

Regards, Gary Silver s/v Liahona SM # 335

My first Oyster 435 was severely damaged in Hurricane Bob in 1991 in
Newport,Rhode Island.Unfortunately it did not sink as that would
have simplified the insurance claim and saved me nearly two years of
aggravation. If I had had a high output automatic bilge pump it
would have saved the engine etc PERHAPS because....
The boat dragged its mooring across the harbour and ended up
crashing on a pontoon and pile which holed the hull near the
toerail.The ingress of sea water coupled with the fact that the
crashing and the water opened drawers and lockers releasing paper
towels,toilet paper etc and the resulting papier mashe would almost
certainly have clogged any bilge pump.
Perhaps the moral is to have a high output elecric pump and auto
switch permanently secured and plumbed in the engine room and never
to leave paper towels etc anywhere where they could break loose in
such an event.

Best wishes, Anne and John

Just a thought, The engin driven sea water pump will fail if run dry , which could happen if the action of the pump is not carefully watched, and the last thing you need in such conditions is a failed engin,

Edson make a shaft driven high capacity pump which might help if the wayer is getting deep in the engin room.
There is an article in this months "Blue Water Sailing" Magazine on just this subject

Geoff Tyers s.v."Lionheart" Sharki #127

"Paul S. Fruehauf" <fruehaufps@...> wrote:
To all,



As I mentioned in my last note my boat is new to me and I have many
questions about how to best equip the boat. We plan to do some extended
cruising this year and next. I have found the archives of this group to
be very helpful.



The discussion on bow thruster leaks reminded me of a modification I
have been considering making on my boat. I attended a seminar on
off-shore sailing and the speaker (Roger Marshall) strongly recommended
some sort of emergency bilge pump be available. I believe he mentioned
that some sort of engine driven pump is a good option. I researched
this further and found an article that suggests using the engine raw
water pump. I am considering adding a Y valve between the sea chest and
the pump inlet along with a hose and strainer that will draw from the
bilge. Has anyone done this? Has anyone come up with other solutions?
A problem with the above modification is that does not help if there is
a leak in the front, main or aft compartment. One idea would be to rig
a DC motor with pump and hoses that could be used anywhere. Lastly,
perhaps in an Amel the need for an emergency pump is less urgent because
of the water tight compartments. Any help on this topic will be greatly
appreciated.



Best regards,



Paul S. Fruehauf "Faraway Eyes" SM 215








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To all,



As I mentioned in my last note my boat is new to me and I have many
questions about how to best equip the boat. We plan to do some extended
cruising this year and next. I have found the archives of this group to
be very helpful.



The discussion on bow thruster leaks reminded me of a modification I
have been considering making on my boat. I attended a seminar on
off-shore sailing and the speaker (Roger Marshall) strongly recommended
some sort of emergency bilge pump be available. I believe he mentioned
that some sort of engine driven pump is a good option. I researched
this further and found an article that suggests using the engine raw
water pump. I am considering adding a Y valve between the sea chest and
the pump inlet along with a hose and strainer that will draw from the
bilge. Has anyone done this? Has anyone come up with other solutions?
A problem with the above modification is that does not help if there is
a leak in the front, main or aft compartment. One idea would be to rig
a DC motor with pump and hoses that could be used anywhere. Lastly,
perhaps in an Amel the need for an emergency pump is less urgent because
of the water tight compartments. Any help on this topic will be greatly
appreciated.



Best regards,



Paul S. Fruehauf "Faraway Eyes" SM 215

Hello

Dimitris

The adjustment to the bow thruster is quite simple. Observe the unit
going up and down and you will notice that there is a triangle shaped
piece of metal riding up and down a metal rod. This triangle shaped
probe pushes the cut off switch of the bow thruster. By using an
allen wrench and making minute adjustments you can get a good seal on
the unit.

Good Luck

Vito

Wanderer ASM # 283

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "edmund_steele"
<edmundsteele@e...> wrote:

Hi Dimitris,
I had the same problem with SM#331. Under passage to Isla Mujeres
with contrary winds and current, I was forced to motor-sail into a
short steep sea for several days. I was horrified to find 6 inches
of salt water in the floor space adjacent to the forward head. I

too

tracked this down to the bow-thruster seals. The bowthruster
retaining pin was in place but each time the bow pitched down, a
small quantity of water would squirt past the upper seal. I

replaced

the upper seals (the original seals looked fine) while at anchor in
Mexico but it did not solve the problem. I found it was still
necessary to bail the water daily from the floor space into the
shower sump when under passage. When I arrived in Raiatea in French
Polynesia, I had "DoodleBug" hauled and while on the hard,
the lower seals were replaced. The technician told me that the seal
design only works when the lower seals are compressed. He adjusted
the
position of the drive unit upwards to compress the newly installed
lower seals. The bowthruster "door" no longer fits flush in
the hull
as before – it is indented by maybe 3/16ths. inch but the rate of
leakage has dropped dramatically. The bowthruster will still leak
slightly as the bow pitches, when for example, we are sailing close-
hauled into rough seas but it is now sponge work instead of bailing
bucket work. As you pointed out, it is a really good idea to check
floor spaces on a long passage. Hope this info helps.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
<dkra@p...> wrote:

Dear All,

I am very happy with my SM but you have to be prepared for a

problem I faced

with the bowthruster.

I found out sea water ( and it was sea water) in the compartment

between the

forward cabin out side of the forward bathroom. When I was

sailing

to

windward I noticed more and more water. I tried to find out from

where the

water was coming. I thought that the water was coming in from the

speed

meter ( I have the Raymarine instruments) . When sailing to

windward with

high seas I always put the safety pin in the bowthruster but

there

was still

water. So after trying to find out from where the water was

coming

when I

was sailing with a friend I opened the bowthruster leather

coverage and the

wood floors to find out . As there were big waves I noticed that

with every

wave water was coming in the boat from the bowthruster flange,

even with the

safety pin there was water coming in. I was terryfied but you

always feel

better when you locate the problem at least you know the weak

point. As the

boat is now out of the water I removed the bowthruster in order

to

change

the oil and found out with surprise that under the sponge flanch

in the boat

there is also a plastic ring with metal the same as in the

propeller to

prevent the water to come in the boat this ring is held in place

with two

small wooden screws. This plastic ring was dry and propably

damaged and that

was the reason that the water was coming in the boat. I think

that

all Amel

owners have to take a note on that and change this ring whenever

they find

water in the forward part of the boat. I plan to install a small

bilge pump

in the depthsounder compartment in case I have again the problem.

I could

not find any description of this in the manual so I believe that

you should

take care of that.

Also be aware as it can become dangerous in an long ocean

crossing.

Best Regards

Dimitris
SM Alma Libre
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Waterleak

Hi Dimitris,
I had the same problem with SM#331. Under passage to Isla Mujeres
with contrary winds and current, I was forced to motor-sail into a
short steep sea for several days. I was horrified to find 6 inches
of salt water in the floor space adjacent to the forward head. I too
tracked this down to the bow-thruster seals. The bowthruster
retaining pin was in place but each time the bow pitched down, a
small quantity of water would squirt past the upper seal. I replaced
the upper seals (the original seals looked fine) while at anchor in
Mexico but it did not solve the problem. I found it was still
necessary to bail the water daily from the floor space into the
shower sump when under passage. When I arrived in Raiatea in French
Polynesia, I had "DoodleBug" hauled and while on the hard,
the lower seals were replaced. The technician told me that the seal
design only works when the lower seals are compressed. He adjusted
the
position of the drive unit upwards to compress the newly installed
lower seals. The bowthruster "door" no longer fits flush in
the hull
as before – it is indented by maybe 3/16ths. inch but the rate of
leakage has dropped dramatically. The bowthruster will still leak
slightly as the bow pitches, when for example, we are sailing close-
hauled into rough seas but it is now sponge work instead of bailing
bucket work. As you pointed out, it is a really good idea to check
floor spaces on a long passage. Hope this info helps.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Krassopoulos Dimitris
<dkra@p...> wrote:

Dear All,

I am very happy with my SM but you have to be prepared for a

problem I faced

with the bowthruster.

I found out sea water ( and it was sea water) in the compartment

between the

forward cabin out side of the forward bathroom. When I was sailing

to

windward I noticed more and more water. I tried to find out from

where the

water was coming. I thought that the water was coming in from the

speed

meter ( I have the Raymarine instruments) . When sailing to

windward with

high seas I always put the safety pin in the bowthruster but there

was still

water. So after trying to find out from where the water was coming

when I

was sailing with a friend I opened the bowthruster leather

coverage and the

wood floors to find out . As there were big waves I noticed that

with every

wave water was coming in the boat from the bowthruster flange,

even with the

safety pin there was water coming in. I was terryfied but you

always feel

better when you locate the problem at least you know the weak

point. As the

boat is now out of the water I removed the bowthruster in order to

change

the oil and found out with surprise that under the sponge flanch

in the boat

there is also a plastic ring with metal the same as in the

propeller to

prevent the water to come in the boat this ring is held in place

with two

small wooden screws. This plastic ring was dry and propably

damaged and that

was the reason that the water was coming in the boat. I think that

all Amel

owners have to take a note on that and change this ring whenever

they find

water in the forward part of the boat. I plan to install a small

bilge pump

in the depthsounder compartment in case I have again the problem.

I could

not find any description of this in the manual so I believe that

you should

take care of that.

Also be aware as it can become dangerous in an long ocean

crossing.

Best Regards

Dimitris
SM Alma Libre
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Waterleak

Dear All,

I am very happy with my SM but you have to be prepared for a problem I faced
with the bowthruster.

I found out sea water ( and it was sea water) in the compartment between the
forward cabin out side of the forward bathroom. When I was sailing to
windward I noticed more and more water. I tried to find out from where the
water was coming. I thought that the water was coming in from the speed
meter ( I have the Raymarine instruments) . When sailing to windward with
high seas I always put the safety pin in the bowthruster but there was still
water. So after trying to find out from where the water was coming when I
was sailing with a friend I opened the bowthruster leather coverage and the
wood floors to find out . As there were big waves I noticed that with every
wave water was coming in the boat from the bowthruster flange, even with the
safety pin there was water coming in. I was terryfied but you always feel
better when you locate the problem at least you know the weak point. As the
boat is now out of the water I removed the bowthruster in order to change
the oil and found out with surprise that under the sponge flanch in the boat
there is also a plastic ring with metal the same as in the propeller to
prevent the water to come in the boat this ring is held in place with two
small wooden screws. This plastic ring was dry and propably damaged and that
was the reason that the water was coming in the boat. I think that all Amel
owners have to take a note on that and change this ring whenever they find
water in the forward part of the boat. I plan to install a small bilge pump
in the depthsounder compartment in case I have again the problem. I could
not find any description of this in the manual so I believe that you should
take care of that.

Also be aware as it can become dangerous in an long ocean crossing.

Best Regards

Dimitris
SM Alma Libre

Hi Rudy,

It is also possible that if you have a rudder post leak, it may only show
when the boat is sailing as the underside of the hull at the stern is
effectively lower in the water.

If you trace the leak to the post stuffing box, it is not necessarily true
that you will have to haul the boat and restuff the gland. Amel told me that
when a leak is first noticed from the post, then you should remove the
locking flange and tighten the large nut under the quadrant by one flat at a
time till the leak stops.

I have to say that in 33,000 nms of sailing my Amel's, I have never had a
salt water leak. What has happened from time to time is that water leaks
from the fridge drain and runs under the companion way steps to the battery
compartment whilst heeled to starboard. This is noticeable when the carpet
gets wet near the battery master switches.
Other than that, she is a wonderfully dry boat.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd SM's 299 & 414 "Crusader"

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