Re: Water Maker question
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Thank You gary
This is very helpfull. Vito --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote: (Reverse Osmosis) membranes in the world. That manufacturer is FilmTec. FilmTec wasa rather small company that manufactured membranes by hand until Dow Corningbought them a few years ago and developed robotic manufacturingprocesses. This development resulted in improved membranes that give higherproduction than the original hand laid up membranes. The other great benefitwas a drop in price. The membranes are less than 50 percent of their originalcost. Dessalator, 150 l/hr water maker) are FilmTec SW30-2540 (that is SW = SeaWater, and the 2540 = 2.5 inch by 40 inch membranes. I suspect that yours are thesame. I purchased mine from a company Air, Water, Ice. Inc., Phone in USAis 776-461-0256. Walter is the owner and is very knowledgeable. The Film Tec website shows that the SW30-2540 will produce 166 liters/hr for two membranes atoptimal temp. The rate is higher than the original design for the Dessalatorsystem because of the higher quality membranes (29 square feet surface area) that is dueto robotic glue lines on the membranes.wasn't able to find any evidence that the salt rejection rate of the membrane isaffected by temperature. The reading from the TDS meter may change due to temperature thoughas you are literally measuring electrical conductivity of the water and thisis affected by temp. The salt rejection rate is dependent on pressure and if themembrane isn't operated at optimal pressure the TDS (total dissolved solids) will behigher. system after start up or if you waited at least 5 minutes before testing. See myprevious post related to TDS Creep that occurs upon system shut down. It takes a fewminutes for the TDS Creep to go away after system start up.caps and membrane nipples (see photo section under watermaker). Product rate mayactually increase as the membranes fail (that was the case with mine).Dow Corning Filmtec web site under literature. This is more likely to cure afalling production rate than to cure a high TDS. (1000 TDS isn't really that bad.City water is commonly 800 - 900 ppm. My system with brand new membranes producesthey are shipping over seas request them to double package them. The shippingcontainer they sent mine in was somewhat damaged just shipping across theUSA. No damage to the membranes but it would have been damaged if they hadthe process of replacing the membranes. About a 4 hour job but requiressection). questions. that have no electrical traces to any control circuity. It is my opinionthe testingwatermaker is testing at 1200 PPM. The water from the tap is refrigeratedat 1000 or under ppm and when I test the water from a producingbottle it tests at around 600 to 700 ppm. My conclusion is that bad.this quality of water all along I just had no way of testing. theProduct amount is normal. am150 LPH 220 model. making too much out of this.
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Re: Water Maker question
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@...> wrote:
Hi Vito:As far as I can determine there is only one manufacturer of RO (Reverse Osmosis) membranes in the world. That manufacturer is FilmTec. FilmTec was a rather small company that manufactured membranes by hand until Dow Corning bought them a few years ago and developed robotic manufacturing processes. This development resulted in improved membranes that give higher production than the original hand laid up membranes. The other great benefit was a drop in price. The membranes are less than 50 percent of their original cost. The membranes on my Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335 (220 VAC 50 Hertz Dessalator, 150 l/hr water maker) are FilmTec SW30-2540 (that is SW = Sea Water, and the 2540 = 2.5 inch by 40 inch membranes. I suspect that yours are the same. I purchased mine from a company Air, Water, Ice. Inc., Phone in USA is 776-461-0256. Walter is the owner and is very knowledgeable. The Film Tec web site shows that the SW30-2540 will produce 166 liters/hr for two membranes at optimal temp. The rate is higher than the original design for the Dessalator system because of the higher quality membranes (29 square feet surface area) that is due to robotic glue lines on the membranes. As I searched the Dow Corning Film Tech technical literature I wasn't able to find any evidence that the salt rejection rate of the membrane is affected by temperature. The reading from the TDS meter may change due to temperature though as you are literally measuring electrical conductivity of the water and this is affected by temp. The salt rejection rate is dependent on pressure and if the membrane isn't operated at optimal pressure the TDS (total dissolved solids) will be higher. You didn't mention if the water you tested was the first out of the system after start up or if you waited at least 5 minutes before testing. See my previous post related to TDS Creep that occurs upon system shut down. It takes a few minutes for the TDS Creep to go away after system start up. In answer to your questions: 1. Possibly. This could also be due to worn 0-rings on the end caps and membrane nipples (see photo section under watermaker). Product rate may actually increase as the membranes fail (that was the case with mine). 2. Cleaning is recommended and the procedure is described on the Dow Corning Filmtec web site under literature. This is more likely to cure a falling production rate than to cure a high TDS. (1000 TDS isn't really that bad. City water is commonly 800 - 900 ppm. My system with brand new membranes produces water at 485 microSiemens/cm = 500 ppm TDS at 160 l/hr). 3. I had great service from the supplier I mentioned above. If they are shipping over seas request them to double package them. The shipping container they sent mine in was somewhat damaged just shipping across the USA. No damage to the membranes but it would have been damaged if they had much more handling. 4. See my response above. I also have a post on this site about the process of replacing the membranes. About a 4 hour job but requires some means of grasping the tubes and end caps, (see the photo section). Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions. Finally, install a independent continuous EC or TDS monitor as the Dessalitor Salinity Sensor connects to pins on the control board that have no electrical traces to any control circuity. It is my opinion that the sensor is a sham installation that was never functional. Either that or there was gross manufacturing defects in the system. Don't depend on the Dessalator system to alert you to unsafe water. Regards, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Hello from Fiji
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Water Maker question
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Vito,
How many hours have you done on your watermaker and is it the 60 or 150l p h version? We test ours just by drinking it and after 1300 hours its fine. We lay up now for about 6 months of the year. We have pickled twice, without any problems. Last week approaching Uruguay from Brazil we were getting the full 60 litre per hour output in 16C water temp, though this performace may have something to do with reduced salinity of the sea as we were about 300kms from the mouth of the Rio Plata and already you could see sediment in the water. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Uruguay
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BOWTHRUSTER ADJUSTMENT
L. CAMERON <solarconstruction@...>
FROM: "LADY DIVINA" SM317
I FOUND THAT AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE BOWTHRUSTER ON SM317 SOLVED THE SEAWATER INTRUSION PROBLEM WHILE AT SEA. I LOWERED THE BOLT(w/PIN HOLE) ON TOP OF THE MOTOR UNIT BY LOOSENING THE NUT AND SCREWING THE BOLT ASSMB. DOWN INTO THE MOTOR APPROX 1/4". THIS EFFECTIVELY RAISED THE UNIT AND COMPRESSED THE DOUGHNUT WASHERS, STOPPING THE LEAK FROM SEA SWELLS. IT IS ALITTLE MORE WORK TO INSERT THE PIN. I WILL DO A COMPLETE INSPECTION WHEN I HAULOUT NEXT, BUT THIS KEEPS ME GOING. THANKS FOR EVERYONES' ADVICE ON THIS COMMON PROBLEM. LADY DIVINA SM317 >> ST. MARTIN amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. U-drive oil From: "jrjrjrouse2000" sailingjudy@gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message 1 From: "jrjrjrouse2000" sailingjudy@gmail.com Date: Tue May 9, 2006 3:33pm(PDT) Subject: U-drive oil We pulled our Autoprop for service, thus draining the oil for the U- drive. Looking for verification of weight of oil for replacement. Notes we have from previous postings on this website state 15W40, but the sticker in the engine room on the place where the oil should be added states 20W40. Can anyone confirm which is correct? Judy Rouse S/V Security SM2 #387 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Water Maker question
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hello from Fiji
Well of course problems will crop up in the most remote places. I recently bought a water saltinity tester. The water coming from the watermaker is testing at 1200 PPM. The water from the tap is testing at 1000 or under ppm and when I test the water from a refrigerated bottle it tests at around 600 to 700 ppm. My conclusion is that temperature has a lot to do with test results. Anyway all these results are above normal. Now my watermaker could have been producing this quality of water all along I just had no way of testing. My questions are. 1- Does the higher readings mean that the membranes are going bad. Product amount is normal. 2- Does cleaning the membranes with a solution help. 3- Can someone recomend a supplier for the membraned in the US or south pacific. 4- Does anyone know what the model # of the membrane is. I have the 150 LPH 220 model. PS I tested the saltinity of red wine and it 1050 PPM. So maybe I am making too much out of this. Any help or advise would be gladly appreciated. Thank you Vito Ciaravino Wanderer asm 283
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Re: Water Pressure Problem
minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
I had a similar baffling experience last year with the same faucet.
After doing all the usual stuff I found it was actually a leak from the supply pipe. Behind the head under the shelf access panel you will with much twisting of arms get to a copper supply pipe that is connected to a rubber hose. This was the culprit for me, it had worked loose with vibration and half the water was spurting into the space below the head and into the bilge under the floor opposite closet. I wondered for weeks where that water was coming from!!! Good luck Bob Minaxi SM6 - -- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "pellegrini1942" <afpellegrini@...> wrote: pressure. The cockpit shower is fine, but the forward head faucet has almostno pressure. The mix of hot and cold is OK, but not as strong asusual. The water pump is working and is at 20 psi when off and goes to 26psi when it turns on.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Pressure Problem
peter pappas <pjppappas@...>
try removing the nozzel head and cleaning the screen. "callisto" 369
pellegrini1942 <afpellegrini@aol.com> wrote: I have an SM 2000 and am experiencing problems with cold water pressure. The cockpit shower is fine, but the forward head faucet has almost no pressure. The mix of hot and cold is OK, but not as strong as usual. The water pump is working and is at 20 psi when off and goes to 26 psi when it turns on. Any ideas on the problem will be appreciated. Regards, Tony Pellegrini SM2000 #373 Port Yalikavak, Bodrum, Turkey SPONSORED LINKS Sailing Sailing yacht Amel Boating sailing --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Future Amel 54 owner
G D <maramu@...>
Hi ROger
I'm using on my SM the Bauer Junior II to my entire satisfaction. My advice is dont get away from serious brand such as this one. It is may be more expensive than the rest but it is worth it. Dont forget that getting spare parts if a breakdown occures when u are lost in the middle of nowhere may become a serious issue. To make it short, no compromise for this kind of equipement. I'm using the monophase type one. The oceanus looks very good as well. My only coment is that the faster you fill up the tank the more heat u generate and once it has cooled down you will realize that your initial 220 Bars may become much less than that. So it may not give in real as many advantage than on the paper. I bought mine direct from Bauer France. http://www.bauer-compresseurs.com/ They are very helpfull reliable and speak english. If I'm not mistaken they gave me a discount in the range of 15% based on the tarif price. Anyway it is worth trying. Wishing you all the best with your new boat but be patient.......... Erick MEJEAN ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roger Frederiks" <rofred@dsl.pipex.com> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Future Amel 54 owner Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:51:35 -0000 Hello, Amel owners/adventurers, Just to introduce myself to the group, having ordered a new 54 some 10 days ago. She won't be delivered till September 2008! But, judging from the wonderful day of sailing I had on her recently as well as all the very positive feedback on Amel yachts in general, it will be well worth waiting for. My plans are to live aboard and to travel to far flung places, away from the maddening crowds, and also to use her for scuba diving trips to remote tropical locations with friends. I have done a lot of online research, in particular going through most of the very useful info on this site and by reading most of Patrick Naegels' excellent AmelCaramel webpages. However, I still have quite a few questions, some of which have already been dealt with by the Amel sales staff. For instance, I'm aware that some Super Maramu owners are sailing with diving compressors onboard. I've been told that Amel can install a Poseidon Junior II in the port cockpit locker. Are there any owners here with such an installation? And if so, is it with the (single phase) electric drive? FYI, I have been looking at the bigger cousin of the Bauer Junior, the Oceanus, which has a 40% higher filling capacity for the same dimensions and a gain of only 6 kg in weight. I have ordered the Comfort Pack as 1 of the options for my 54, so there should not be a problem charging batteries, running the 160 ltr/hr Dessalator as well as charging batteries, and filling diving tanks, all at the same time. I would greatly appreciate any feedback from anyone on this. Needless to say, I have other questions on various boat options, set ups and general tricks of the trade, but those will come in due course. Last but not least, if there are any Amel owners out there who might require someone to help with watchkeeping during a long passage, I would be delighted to assist. Naturally, I will arrange for my own travel to and from the boat and I'm happy to contribute towards any subsistence costs. Many thanks and fair winds. Roger
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Future Amel 54 owner
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Roger, We have the Poseidon Junior 11 with electric drive. Neat installation.Noisy ( tell me a compressor that isnt!) but fills an empty bottle in about 28 minutes. Very happy with it. Cheers, Ian .Pen Azen, SM 302
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Help for Specs.
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Dear John, Am I right to recall that you are an enthusiastic owner of a Kiwi built RIB with an aluminium hull? If so can you send me the details? I am looking at the Southern Pacific Sheerwater, made in Auckland, 3.09m, weighs only 38kgs. Do you carry yours on the aft coachroof or in davits?
To date we have had a Carib, very strong but also very heavy!We are toying with the idea of davits and would be interested to hear from anyone who has fitted the Amel ones . Also, we have at last done what we should have done when we first bought Pen Azen, namely redesigned the spray hood so we can stand under it and see forward.We did it in Brazil with a very tight timetable . The workmanship leaves something to be desired but the overall effect is an enormous improvement.Essentially all we did was to lengthen the existing stainless frames by 4 cm for the aft two and by 10cm for the forward one. They stay in their original mounts and fold down about 4cm higher than the original. We used the same attachment for the forward edge of the sprayhood and the sprayhood cover when the sprayhood is folded away ( Never folded away on our boat, be it Caribbean or Cape Horn).This allows me ( 6 foot in my socks) to stand upright under the new sprayhood ,wearing shoes. We also made the whole of the forward panel of clear vinyl which can be zipped open. At last we can see where we are going when we are standing up AND I can leave the hood up and stand behind the wheel with my head out of the window AND I can sit on the aft coachroof and see forward---just like the Maramu and the Sharki and no doubt every other Amel except the SM! ( Incidentally, I am sure that tucked away in the Amel archives are to be found various versions of an improved sprayhoood for the SM but under the ancien regime such an alteration would have been the subject of a firm "Non"!) Anyway, my thanks to Claude and Vito and various other owners who trod the sprayhood path ahead of us. If anyone else is thinking of doing the same thing I can only encourage them as heartily as possible.There are various versions on various boats. If someone will kindly tell me how to add photos to this website I will arrange for the Admiral to bring her dongle into a cybercafe and show you the end result. The stitching is not the prettiest and dear Mario who built the hood for us failed to warn us that he only had brown ( two different browns at that!) leather for the chafing strips, somewhat novel on white Sunbrella but it does the trick. If Brazil had had Stanoid ( which I think is the Amel material) that would have been even better but the Sunbrella is pretty sturdy. Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Uruguay.
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Future Amel 54 owner
Roger Frederiks <rofred@...>
Hello, Amel owners/adventurers,
Just to introduce myself to the group, having ordered a new 54 some 10 days ago. She won't be delivered till September 2008! But, judging from the wonderful day of sailing I had on her recently as well as all the very positive feedback on Amel yachts in general, it will be well worth waiting for. My plans are to live aboard and to travel to far flung places, away from the maddening crowds, and also to use her for scuba diving trips to remote tropical locations with friends. I have done a lot of online research, in particular going through most of the very useful info on this site and by reading most of Patrick Naegels' excellent AmelCaramel webpages. However, I still have quite a few questions, some of which have already been dealt with by the Amel sales staff. For instance, I'm aware that some Super Maramu owners are sailing with diving compressors onboard. I've been told that Amel can install a Poseidon Junior II in the port cockpit locker. Are there any owners here with such an installation? And if so, is it with the (single phase) electric drive? FYI, I have been looking at the bigger cousin of the Bauer Junior, the Oceanus, which has a 40% higher filling capacity for the same dimensions and a gain of only 6 kg in weight. I have ordered the Comfort Pack as 1 of the options for my 54, so there should not be a problem charging batteries, running the 160 ltr/hr Dessalator as well as charging batteries, and filling diving tanks, all at the same time. I would greatly appreciate any feedback from anyone on this. Needless to say, I have other questions on various boat options, set ups and general tricks of the trade, but those will come in due course. Last but not least, if there are any Amel owners out there who might require someone to help with watchkeeping during a long passage, I would be delighted to assist. Naturally, I will arrange for my own travel to and from the boat and I'm happy to contribute towards any subsistence costs. Many thanks and fair winds. Roger
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SM 1994 for sale
erik ortel
To my regret, I am selling my 1994 SM. Any interested parties may
contact me at the above address. Thank you.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Pressure Problem
afpellegrini@...
I have cleaned all the filters on the faucets, but it did not make much
difference. The pressure in the cockpit shower is good so the problem must be in the line to the forward head. I will work on that in the morning. Thanks for the suggestions. Regards, Tony Pellegrini Voyageur
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Pressure Problem
georges pellegrini <dji314@...>
1- it is not a leak. If it was the pump would be running permanently
2- If you have pressure in the other cold water faucets, it must be either a kink in the cold line to the forward head or a clog in the faucet. -pop the pump breaker -disconnect the cold line at the forward head faucet -engage briefly the breaker. -if there is little flow, it's a kink (or clog) in the line -if there is a good flow, it's a clog in the faucet G. Pellegrini Santorin #132 On May 14, 2006, at 10:37 AM, pellegrini1942 wrote: I have an SM 2000 and am experiencing problems with cold water [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Water Pressure Problem
pellegrini1942 <afpellegrini@...>
I have an SM 2000 and am experiencing problems with cold water pressure.
The cockpit shower is fine, but the forward head faucet has almost no pressure. The mix of hot and cold is OK, but not as strong as usual. The water pump is working and is at 20 psi when off and goes to 26 psi when it turns on. Any ideas on the problem will be appreciated. Regards, Tony Pellegrini SM2000 #373 Port Yalikavak, Bodrum, Turkey
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Pressure Problem
svmalaika@...
Sometimes the screen filters located at the water outlet of the faucets get
clogged with debris and calcium build up. Unscrew the filter and clean it. This may help, particularly if the problem is only with the forward head. Do the galley and aft head taps work normally? Charlie MALAIKA II, SM 336
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 54 Help for specs.
Enrico <ebraglia@...>
Dear John,
I am also very interested becouse I ordered the AMEL 54 delivery in June 2008! Could you be more specific on the type of passarelle you are using. I was thinking something light (for my wife...) like a Carbon from EXIT ENGENERING. Any Help appreciated. Thanks Enrico --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John McDougall" <j.c.mcdougall@...> wrote: where you are but if you require a Mediterranean type stern passerelle,don't get the (current) Amel version. It is very awkward to extend and foldaway and wobbly in use.could help me to better specify options with the manufacturer (size of--------- --of Service.--------- --
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Amel 54 Help for Specs.
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
If I was ordering a 54 I would ask for the following (which it may
already have as I have not seen one and the Amel website does not contain enough details). Have the B&G instruments fully interfaced with the Raymarine so that they can share the Raymarine fluxgate compass and wind instruments to give you true wind speed and directionand to enable the pilot to sail at a set angle to the wind. Have telltales sewn on to the luff of the genoa and the leach of the main. Sew on matching blue camber stripe in line with the Amel logo on the main and at the same height on the genoa. Get sacrificial strips sewn on to the leach and foot of the genoa. Get the big 160 ltr per hour watermaker so that the watertank can be filled up with minimum generator hours. Have the pedestal for the helmsmans and charttable seats supplied by the New Zealand company making Searider/Surfrider pedestals as it is the only one made,so far as I know that has gas filled struts to raise and lowerit and to move the seat in and out.It also swivels so that it can be used facing against the heeling of the boat and to face into the cockpit when dining etc. This would mean getting a Swedish demountable table bracket so that the table can be tucked away in the big cockpit locker when not in use. These fittings are not expensive but, in my view are a huge improvement. I can give you the details of the suppliers if you are interested. Have teak grab handles fitted on the underside of the fixed part of the windshield either side of the companionway for the helmsman etc has something to use when getting up etc especially when it is rough. If it is not already done have two vinyl windows put in the awning in the two panels over and in front of the helmsmans seat so that you can see the set of the two sails when the awning is open. Test the water maker to ensure that the salinity monitor actually works. Good luck, John SM 319
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 54 Help for specs.
John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
I took delivery of no 21 at end March in Hyeres. I don't know where you
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are but if you require a Mediterranean type stern passerelle, don't get the (current) Amel version. It is very awkward to extend and fold away and wobbly in use. John McDougall
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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bragliae Sent: 04 April 2006 18:13 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AMEL 54 Help for specs. I am going to order a new AMEL 54. I wonder if some actual owner could help me to better specify options with the manufacturer (size of generator, type of watermaker etc.). Any help is very apreciated. Thank you. SPONSORED LINKS Sailing Sailing yacht Amel Boating sailing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --
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U-drive oil
We pulled our Autoprop for service, thus draining the oil for the U-
drive. Looking for verification of weight of oil for replacement. Notes we have from previous postings on this website state 15W40, but the sticker in the engine room on the place where the oil should be added states 20W40. Can anyone confirm which is correct? Judy Rouse S/V Security SM2 #387
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