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Water maker

mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
 

I wrote the following some time ago, but, since I was at sea, I was not able to send it earlier.
Good reading

Dear Anne and John, on BALI HAI,
Dear Jim, on ANTARES,

I think you are not confused at all: The situation is such that, even with no desalted water being produced (valve opened, anticlockwise) , the indicator, chronologically after 2 minutes, turns to “Good quality” …of what???

Even if the production is not good, a salinity which was so high that immeasurable with normal manual gauge in my case, the good quality remains green indefinitely.

The salinity monitor is not connected, so that it does not analyse the produced water, and does not send salted water, if any, back to sea. (Easy to control there is no voltage on wires connecting to the monitor)

In my case, the osmotic filters being out of order after only 500 hours, or less, the equipment produced salted water and sent it in my tanks for months. Since I do not drink it, and since I was relying on the monitor, it probably lasted quite long.

Although in French, I could never get from Dessalator proper and clear answers to my numerous letters ( always turning around) until September 20th 2004 …, when P. WAGNER, MD of Dessalator admitted that it was a deliberate choice made by him and AMEL to send salted water in my / your tanks.

I find this answer indecent:
I simply bought a watermaker to make good water and not salted one. The rest is my concern.

On top of that, all the documents we received when commissioning the boat are pure lies and so are the explanations given; and worse, driving to a possible misuse of the equipment.

The last letter of P. WAGNER, posted to me and French Forum, is only to turn into derision and ridicule my comments, make philosophy and vindication on salted water…and give absolutely no response, neither to technical questions nor to how to solve the problem; its not his concern.

The consequences of this deliberate choice are, or can be, very serious.
I actually got problems with:

The contactor (pressure switch) of the sanitary water pump.
The expansion tank , the one which is not in stainless steel.
The washing machine, completely corroded from inside by salt and its other consequence: electrolyse (I can provide pictures).
Ceramic filter installation at outgoing of tanks completely corroded.

What is the state of the boiler? I have not looked inside yet.
The same applies to dishwashing machine, faucets and their fragile thermostats, pipes…


I consider we, all Dessalator customers, are facing a very serious and intolerable problem and hope I have been clear enough, although in my English.

I, of course, remain at your disposal for any complement, comment or support .

Cordially,

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
On” BLUE MARINE” (SM 311)





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Water Maker

mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
 

amelyachtowners@...

I think it is important to advise you, who have got a DESSALATOR watermaker, that I nearly had fire in by boat.
The 220 V. motor, having no electrical protection, burned.
Somebody said, on this forum, that the line circuit breaker was not big enough and was contemplating to replace it by a bigger one; I would suggest not to do that. If a breaker trips it is probably because the motor is faulty and takes too much power when starting or blocking. It is a good thing that it tripped; mine didn’t. Anyway the breaker in the switchboard is there to protect the line / cable and not the motor which should have, like all other appliances (charger, air conditioning, fans…), a specific protection adapted to its way of working. DESSALATOR water makers have none.
Be careful !!

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
‘’BLUE MARINE’’
SM N° 311





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Thomas
Thanks for insight. Next time you are in the U.S, let me know so we
can chat.
Regards
Bob-
-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland"
<thomas.neuland@t...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

First of all the early models were certified as French merchant-
ships.
This implied that all batteries etc. had to be in the engine
compartment
sealed and separated away from all cabin areas.
Initially four 105Ah Batt. Were installed, but the capacity was
way too
small, although "Mallamok"s mainsheet winch is manual (which is
good).
So to get rid of the list of 2 deg to port, Amel installed the
Batt.
Underneath the berth, as it still is today.
We have the 2V Batt. For one season only, but they were performing
magnificently.
The boat is located at Port Toga, a municipal port of the city of
Bastia
in Corsica/France.
The wiring was discussed between a local electrician and Amel in La
Rochelle, Amel was very helpful indeed. (Imagine this, the boat is
made
in 1989 as SM#3) Try this with another yard.
Amel made many proposals and was very cooperative. We
had "Mallamok" in
their yard in Hyeres/Southern France and are fully pleased.
Should you need further info, please let me know, I am in the US
quiet
frequently.

So long, fair winds

Thomas Neuland
"MALLAMOK" SM#3

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. März 2005 06:00
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Tom,

Glad to hear from someone with an older SM, in many ways these are
differnet boats to the new ones. I do believe that Amel solved the
problem of the + 2 deg list to Port by moving the battery bank
under
the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs,
sealing the under berth locker, etc?
Are the 2v Mastervolts as good as they claim?

Where is Mallamok?

Regards
Bob-

-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland"
<thomas.neuland@t...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

My name is Tom Neuland, Owner of "MALLAMOK" SM#3 .

We had the batteries in the engine room, too.

First we doubled the capacity with 4 additional batteries behind
the
engine.
This was not so bad, but due to the different resistance of the
feeding
cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.

We installed the 2V trac-batteries from Mastervolt as well as a
new
Mastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine. We got 4
in
the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongside
the
engine room.

The boat is level now and the big weights close to the center of
gravity.

So long

Tom

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 17:38
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be
Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Mango For Sale

tom mcguffy <tmcguffy@...>
 

Alex, we just finished our web site htwconsulting.com/Tempest/ be sure to capitalize Tempest.
Tom

From: "Alex Paquin" <alex.paquin@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Mango For Sale
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:39:31 -0400

Please send me details.
Thank you.

Alex Paquin

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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 1:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Mango For Sale


Fully loaded Amel Mango for sale.The boat is in turnkey condition,with
many upgrades and extras and very attractively priced.
Email me for details.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd generation Nirvava masts on Mango's

tom mcguffy <tmcguffy@...>
 

James, my Mango is for sale check it out htwconsulting.com/Tempest/ you won't a better example of this model.

Tom

From: amelmango <no_reply@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd generation Nirvava masts on Mango's
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:44:40 -0000


Would anyone know the production dates for the Mango that was
fitted with the 2nd generation Nirvana masts and furler? I
understand that this rig is imroved over the first series. Also, as
I am interested in purchasing a Mango, are there other major
equipment or manufacturing changes during the production run that I
should look for or limit myself to? For instance I think the masts
mentioned above were fitted to 1987 boats and later.
Your help and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
James




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules

Thomas Neuland <thomas.neuland@...>
 

Hi Bob,

First of all the early models were certified as French merchant-ships.
This implied that all batteries etc. had to be in the engine compartment
sealed and separated away from all cabin areas.
Initially four 105Ah Batt. Were installed, but the capacity was way too
small, although "Mallamok"s mainsheet winch is manual (which is good).
So to get rid of the list of 2 deg to port, Amel installed the Batt.
Underneath the berth, as it still is today.
We have the 2V Batt. For one season only, but they were performing
magnificently.
The boat is located at Port Toga, a municipal port of the city of Bastia
in Corsica/France.
The wiring was discussed between a local electrician and Amel in La
Rochelle, Amel was very helpful indeed. (Imagine this, the boat is made
in 1989 as SM#3) Try this with another yard.
Amel made many proposals and was very cooperative. We had "Mallamok" in
their yard in Hyeres/Southern France and are fully pleased.
Should you need further info, please let me know, I am in the US quiet
frequently.

So long, fair winds

Thomas Neuland
"MALLAMOK" SM#3

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 14. März 2005 06:00
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Tom,

Glad to hear from someone with an older SM, in many ways these are
differnet boats to the new ones. I do believe that Amel solved the
problem of the + 2 deg list to Port by moving the battery bank under
the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs,
sealing the under berth locker, etc?
Are the 2v Mastervolts as good as they claim?

Where is Mallamok?

Regards
Bob-

-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland"
<thomas.neuland@t...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

My name is Tom Neuland, Owner of "MALLAMOK" SM#3 .

We had the batteries in the engine room, too.

First we doubled the capacity with 4 additional batteries behind
the
engine.
This was not so bad, but due to the different resistance of the
feeding
cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.

We installed the 2V trac-batteries from Mastervolt as well as a new
Mastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine. We got 4 in
the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongside
the
engine room.

The boat is level now and the big weights close to the center of
gravity.

So long

Tom

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 17:38
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be
Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Tom,

Glad to hear from someone with an older SM, in many ways these are
differnet boats to the new ones. I do believe that Amel solved the
problem of the + 2 deg list to Port by moving the battery bank under
the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs,
sealing the under berth locker, etc?
Are the 2v Mastervolts as good as they claim?

Where is Mallamok?

Regards
Bob-

-- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland"
<thomas.neuland@t...> wrote:
Hi Bob,

My name is Tom Neuland, Owner of "MALLAMOK" SM#3 .

We had the batteries in the engine room, too.

First we doubled the capacity with 4 additional batteries behind
the
engine.
This was not so bad, but due to the different resistance of the
feeding
cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.

We installed the 2V trac-batteries from Mastervolt as well as a new
Mastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine.
We got 4 in the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongside
the
engine room.

The boat is level now and the big weights close to the center of
gravity.

So long

Tom

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 17:38
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be
Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules

Thomas Neuland <thomas.neuland@...>
 

Hi Bob,

My name is Tom Neuland, Owner of "MALLAMOK" SM#3 .

We had the batteries in the engine room, too.

First we doubled the capacity with 4 additional batteries behind the
engine.
This was not so bad, but due to the different resistance of the feeding
cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.

We installed the 2V trac-batteries from Mastervolt as well as a new
Mastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine.
We got 4 in the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongside the
engine room.

The boat is level now and the big weights close to the center of
gravity.

So long

Tom

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 17:38
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules




Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Waterleak

Thomas Neuland <thomas.neuland@...>
 

Grüezi in die Schweiz.

My Name is Thomas Neuland, SM #3.

I had a similar leak, it was the grey water line right underneath the
forward shower.

You can slightly color the water with a little ink and then see where it
is leaking.

All the best

Thomas Neuland
SM#3
MALLAMOK (Bastia, Corsica)

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2005 09:31
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Waterleak




Hi All,
on my SM #407 I have recognized during last season a waterleak. In the
box under the floor in front of the aft bathroom, ( between
the aft cabin door and the bathroomdoor and the wardrobe is a a
cover under the carpet ). The water only fills up when I am sailing.
When I am in the port or on anchor, no water comes in. Amel
recomendet to check if it comes from the toilet or from the shower. All
this I have checked without finding the cause. The water is
definitly salty. The leak make when sailing about 1-1.5 liter in 24
hours.
Is anyone, who had a similar experiance and knows how to repair?

For any help I am thankfull, because Amel could not help me further
in this respect.
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C-MAP NT on Autohelm Navcenter 600

tonic102004 <paebersold@...>
 

I have an Autohelm Navcenter 600 on my SM227. Does anybody know, how
that Plotter is working with C-MAP NT+ cards? Initially the system
works with C-MAP NT, but these cartridges are not produced anylonger,
but NT+, and soon C-MAP Max. I have been told that NT+ would slow
down the systems substancially. Is that true or is it just, that some
details about marina services are not readable?.

Thanks for any information about this subject.
Paul


Perplexing leak

westley_mike <westley_mike@...>
 

Resolute is a 1983 Amel Maramu. I accumulate fresh water at the
forward port side of the engine compartment. There is a slow
trickle from the lower part of the 4inch plastic ring that connects
a pipe that runs athwarthships from the side of the engine room to
the bilge. I slid the pipe from the ring and can neither see nor
feel anything obvious.

There are no visibile out board leaks. The fresh water pump area
and the water heater which has been replaced is dry as is forward in
the liferaft locker. I've wondered if there is a slow leak from one
of the copper fresh water pipes which I cannot access. I've
isolated 3 of 6, and still have slow leak, bilge pump cycles once
every 2-3 day. I plan to continue to isolate those pipes to see if
I can isolate the leak. Any ideas for source and repair?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perplexing leak

svmalaika@...
 

I owned an 82 Maramu (Hull 102) for 16 years before switching to a
SuperMaramu in 2001 and had a similar leak. The water pipes for the forward head run
through a PVC pipe that goes through the bilge compartments just to the port side
of the keel, While in Japan I had a fresh water leak similar to what you
describe. After isolating various pipes and checking the cycle time of the
freshwater pump, I traced the leak to the copper coldwater pipe to the foward head.
Since the pipe was in the PVC pipe I could not access or replace it, so I
decided to bypass it using a flexible hose. When I cut into the PVC pipe I was very
lucky to discover a very small crack in the coppper pipe, almost certainly
caused by freezing. So, instead of bypassing the entire pipe I just replaced a
small section. Problem solved.

Hope this helps.

Charlie
S/V MALAIKA II
Barcelona, SPAIN


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger

Paul S. Fruehauf <fruehaufps@...>
 

Bob,

I have purchased a Mastervolt 24/100 charger ($2000.00) with remote
control panel that allows for adjustment of the power output. I have
not installed it yet. I plan to keep the existing NEMO 50 amp charger
as a backup and as a 110 volt charger in case I end up somewhere that I
can't get access to 220 volt power. The NEMO has an internal jumper
that switches the unit between 230V and 115V power. The boat is
currently on the hard and the only power is 115V.

I considered purchasing two Dolphin 50 amp SM2450-3 D chargers. They
are made in France. They have some nice features, including a winter
storage and desulphation program. I did not select these because they
are new models and I was concerned that they might not work well in
parallel.

Paul S. Fruehauf "Faraway Eyes" SM 215


Mastervolt Rules

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be Mastervolt.
I will check their website.
Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older
version where batteries are in the engine room.
Bob


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger

P. Aebersold <paebersold@...>
 

Hi Bob,

I have just replaced my charger on my SM by a Mastervolt 24/50. Mastervolt
seems to be among of the best products as far as I heard.
The maritime electrical specialist in Italy told me, that normally he is
installing a charger of about 10% of the installed battery capacity.
So I have 400amps, e.g. 50amps charger should be ok in my case. I made good
experience so far with this new Mastervolt (the 24/50 is costing about
1700$. If you buy 2, the cost will definitely be higher that for 1.
By the way, I have not yet installed the new cable for the temperature
sensor. The old cable has different conectors and the way through the boat
to the batteries is seemingly sealed waterproof. I do not want to make a
hole just for the purpose of this sensor. I would be interested to know how
you will solve that minor problem.

Regards
Paul SM 227


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Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 01:42
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger


I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger

G D <maramu@...>
 

Hi Bob
I have replaced mine by a Mastervolt 100 Amp. To my opinion and experience a capacity of 60 amp is too small. The benefit of splitting 100 amp into 2x50 is that when you are connected to a pontoon which cannot take a big electrical load you can avoid trigging the pontoon circuit breaker by using only one charger. Personally I prefer to use the 100 amp and regulate the charger through the Mastervolt charger from 0 to 100 amp. This regulator is not provided with the charger and has to be purshased separately. You will find all the information on Mastervolt web site

With best regards
Erick

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Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:42:24 -0000


I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob

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Battery Charger

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

I need to replace the original battery chargeron Minaxi SM 6, one of
the 1st. It only had one 30amp charger, the newer boats I believe
have two. Can anyone advise me if two really are better than one and
is there an American make obtainable here in the USA or should I go
back to Amel and have 1 or 2 shipped over?

Regards
to Vito wherever you are.

Bob


2nd generation Nirvava masts on Mango's

amelmango <no_reply@...>
 

Would anyone know the production dates for the Mango that was
fitted with the 2nd generation Nirvana masts and furler? I
understand that this rig is imroved over the first series. Also, as
I am interested in purchasing a Mango, are there other major
equipment or manufacturing changes during the production run that I
should look for or limit myself to? For instance I think the masts
mentioned above were fitted to 1987 boats and later.
Your help and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
James


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Lift Motor

Steve Leeds
 

Walter,
Thanks for the quick reply. We'll check with AMEL.

How are things back home? MACCABEE arrived home last May and although we are still living aboard, we are quite adapted back to a "land" existence. I am currently on the last day of a 14 day teaching delivery to the Virgin Islands from Florida.

Regards to your wife and family.

Steve Leeds
Yacht MACCABEE



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Lift Motor

Steve Leeds
 

Charlie,
Thanks for your quick response! We'll give it a try.

Steve



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