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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Ballooner
Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
Dear All,
I have recently purchased from Gateff an Assymetric Spi ( 140 sqr.m) for Alma Libre. It works very well below the 90 apparent. It totally changed the sailing performance of the boat. You can find details in my web page www.almalibre.gr <http://www.almalibre.gr> . I recommend it to all SM owners who want to increase the sail use in low wind conditions going downwind( from 90-120) . The only problem you need more crew if the wind conditions are not very calm and steady but it is fun. Regards Dimitris _____ From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlite@...] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:27 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Ballooner Vito, Nice to hear from you!! Make sure you have some spare rivets for the pole ends. If you dip the pole, the end might come off and need to be riveted. I find the down wind rig works best from about 160 degrees to dead astern. I keep it up to about 15-20 knots apparent then furl. I find that my gennaker gets a lot more use and is quicker to set up. Fair winds, Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite _____ From: asm283 [mailto:no_reply@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:48 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Balloner Hello Everyone. In the next few weeks I will be starting a hopefully long downwind run from Guadaloupe to the South Pacific via the Panama Canal. I have a few questions on the use of the double pole system and the balloner. I have set the system up but never did any significant milage. 1- When do you start to reef and what is the proper procedure? 2- What wind angles are best? 3- Do you adjust the poles to be perpendicular to the wind or do you leave the poles straight out? 4- What wind speed so you take the sytem down? 5- What sail combinations work best? 6-Would you use the mizzen staysail as well? 7- Any other suggestons would be helpfull. Joel you are welcome to weigh in on this. Thank you Vito Ciaravino Wanderer ASM#283 _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > Terms of Service. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Ballooner
eric freedman
Vito,
Nice to hear from you!! Make sure you have some spare rivets for the pole ends. If you dip the pole, the end might come off and need to be riveted. I find the down wind rig works best from about 160 degrees to dead astern. I keep it up to about 15-20 knots apparent then furl. I find that my gennaker gets a lot more use and is quicker to set up. Fair winds, Eric Sm 376 Kimberlite _____ From: asm283 [mailto:no_reply@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:48 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Balloner Hello Everyone. In the next few weeks I will be starting a hopefully long downwind run from Guadaloupe to the South Pacific via the Panama Canal. I have a few questions on the use of the double pole system and the balloner. I have set the system up but never did any significant milage. 1- When do you start to reef and what is the proper procedure? 2- What wind angles are best? 3- Do you adjust the poles to be perpendicular to the wind or do you leave the poles straight out? 4- What wind speed so you take the sytem down? 5- What sail combinations work best? 6-Would you use the mizzen staysail as well? 7- Any other suggestons would be helpfull. Joel you are welcome to weigh in on this. Thank you Vito Ciaravino Wanderer ASM#283 _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@... <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Downwind sailind with Balloner
tom mcguffy <tmcguffy@...>
Dear Vito,
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I just completed a transatlantic from Portugal to Trinidad and from there all the way up to Houston so I used the poles quite a bit. 1. I would begin to think about reefing when the wind reaches 15K apparent. I have had them up in 20K apparent. 2. Wind angle 150 to 150 apparent 3. Always leave the poles perpendicular 4. Same as 1. 5. I usually have the jib on the windward side and the ballooner on leeward side 6. If you use the staysail it will interfear with one of the downwind sails. I have used the ballooner w/o the pole and the staysail when the wind was further forward than 150. 7. I have modified my downwind system. I have a sock on the ballooner and always freefly it which makes hoisting and takedowns much easier. I have both starboard and port spinnaker halyards. Hope this helps. Tom McGuffy, SV Tempest
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Downwind sailind with Balloner
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hello Everyone.
In the next few weeks I will be starting a hopefully long downwind run from Guadaloupe to the South Pacific via the Panama Canal. I have a few questions on the use of the double pole system and the balloner. I have set the system up but never did any significant milage. 1- When do you start to reef and what is the proper procedure? 2- What wind angles are best? 3- Do you adjust the poles to be perpendicular to the wind or do you leave the poles straight out? 4- What wind speed so you take the sytem down? 5- What sail combinations work best? 6-Would you use the mizzen staysail as well? 7- Any other suggestons would be helpfull. Joel you are welcome to weigh in on this. Thank you Vito Ciaravino Wanderer ASM#283
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Sagging Roof Liners
minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
So, having read in the past of various older SM's having the roof
liner fall down, I find that Minaxi's did just that during the Winter layover. Joel's notes about how to scrape of all the toxic stuff really put me off, so I went for the second option. I can really say this was far easier and suggest anyone who has same problem should do same. I bought a piece of Mahogany and cut strips 2" x 1/2" to fit all the areas. After 3 coats of varnish they look just like the Amel strips. It takes 2 people to put them up, one to hold and one to screw. It is a lot easier on the areas that had not peeled away altogether, so do it soon if you have to. I have posted a picture showing one of the 3 cabins done. It looks as if it was always like that. Bob
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Re: hull sanding
Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@...>
I include my conversation with Joachim for the benefit of all.
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Hello Jose_Luis, regarding the deck there are different ideas to consider. My final decision was: I am going to put the anti-slip material treadmaster (http://www.tiflex.co.uk/marine/marine.html) on the side walks but not on the cabin roofs. This was mainly due to optical reasons. The website has also a spanish version. The pictures are taken from KIRK # 233 which is owned by my best friend. He put the treadmaster on in 1989. Pictures where taken this year. I did grind the original anti slip approximately 2/3 down. These areas will be painted and an anti slip additive ( sand ! ) will be added to the first layer of 2 component paint. The 2nd layer of paint will partly cover the sand, that takes out the "bite of the sand" when you sit on it.. On www.yachtpaint.com you will find a lot of information probably also in Spanish. VC 17 is a antifouling paint which creates a very thin layer of paint and dries in a very short time. I completed the first sanding with 60 grid last wekend and will do a final sanding with 180 grid to all the original anti slip areas. The other areas wil get a final sanding with 320 grid. Right now the temperatures are on their way down in northern Germany so it will take probably another 4 weeks before we get proper outside conditions. In case you have any question please let me - or the forum- know. I own own my KIRK now for 2 years but my best friend owns # 233 now for 18 years so we have a pretty good knowledge about the older AMEL boats. Next whe will have to replace the old wall coverings hanging down from the roof also a favorite AMEL item for a replacement. Enjoy your new boat, the boats might not be good looking but usability is very high. Best regards from Hamburg Joachim
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From: Isasi Jose Luis-LJI004 To: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: RE: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: hull sanding Hello Joachim, Thank you for your prompt answer, I was afraid you were not using anymore this email address. I am glad you are starting with the deck, because I will have to do it as well sooner or later. I was wondering how to paint the deck without killing the antislip. Could you elaborate on how are you going to do it? I am not familiar with terms like treadmaster and 2k paint, or VC 17 products. I will check the web link you mention. This my first owned boat and I think I have a lot to learn. Vielen Dank Jose_Luis -----Original Message----- From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" [mailto:achimschro@...] Sent: sábado, 02 de abril de 2005 10:48 To: Isasi Jose Luis-LJI004 Subject: FW: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: hull sanding "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <achimschro@...> schrieb am 02.04.05 10:43:43: Hello Jose_Luis, congratulations to the new Amel boat. I hope you will enjoy it as much we do enjoy the smaller version KIRK # 81 built in 1972. Welcome to the forum for amel owners. Sorry for writing in German. . Because I thought this message was for a german owner I referred to German products. Those are available in Spain check www.festool.es. I did a complete renovation of a boat which had osmosis . For sanding down the hull I used a FESTO ROTEX sander which a very professional tool and fortunately comparatively heavy. In the last I had to sand down the underwater area of my Kirk I used 40 grid sandpaper and the rotating mode of the machine. I removed the complete gelcoat and checked the laminate. I should be almost free of "White Llines" this is where the old polyester doesn't stick to the glass mat and is therefore o good start for osmosis in the future. I my posting i stated that for sanding the bottom you might need good sanding paper with 120, 180 and 240 for the finish. We have a very smooth bottom area where we use VC 17 products. This is because we do some club racing and are succesfull with this "old ship". For the deck area you can start with 120 grid and then 240 and 320. Please keep in mind that preparation incl. sanding, fairing and stripping off the equipment will take almost 90 % of the total time. But after that you should be save for another 15 years. This year I am renovating the deck area. Because this is the first time after 33 years. This needs a lot of sanding of the antislip deck areas. I am planning to cover the walking areas with treadmaster and paint the upper deck areas with 2k paint. But this willtake another month because I live in northern Germany where the current outside temparature is now at 6 degrees with a chance of frost overnight. If you need any further information please do not hesitate to contact me. Your German is by far better than my non-exisiting spanish. Good luck and fair winds Joachim --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jose_Luis Isasi" <jose.luis.isasi@m...> wrote: raten. oberhalbUnterwasserschiff dernachWasserlinie jeweils 15 Scheiben ausreichen müßten. Für den Qualitätsvorstellung.
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Re: hull sanding
Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@...>
Hello Joachim,
Could you please translate into English for me? I am very interested in your answer aber mein deutsch ist nicht so gut. Vielen dank Jose_Luis (Spain) Unterwasserschiff durchgeührt (kein Amel Schiff!) sowie Rumpf und Deck geschliffen.Zum abschleifen etwa 120 er für den Zwischenschliff 180er und zumFinish 240er. Die Vorbereitungen für die Lackierung werden rd. 80% derder Wasserlinie jeweils 15 Scheiben ausreichen müßten. Für den
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Amel Euros 41 happy new owner
Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@...>
Hello,
I have bought a month ago an Amel Euros 41 hull nr 212. I am refitting it and I already have taken it to sea in Almeria, near Gibraltar Strait. Glad to hear from other Amel owners. JL
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NEW AMEL ?
Dimitris <dkra@...>
It seems that a new boat is comming out of La Rochelle. I read about
that in the french forum. I hope that we learn more about that soon. Dimitris SM Alma Libre
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A Fond Farewell
amelforme
Hi Mike,
No apology needed and I thank you for what you wrote on the owners group. Dinner. We owe you a dinner when you and Maureen come to South Florida. Please, keep us on your dance card. Wait until you see what's next. All the best, Joel (Vela too) Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923 Not proofed by JFP
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A Fond Farewell
mcgosprey <mglass@...>
I recently completed the sale of my SM 2000 and, I trust, she is
already taking her owners on new adventures. I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank the members of this chat room for all the invaluable help they gave to me (even when they didn't know it) over the last several years. Countless times I discovered solutions to problems from other members and headed off problems others had written about. The forum is a great resource. I decided to use Joel Potter as my broker for the sale. He sold me the boat new and no one knows more about the Amel this side of the Atlantic. I thought he did a terrrific job and always acted with integrity and fairness. (And yes, unless you have an awful lot of free time and a high tolerance for aggravation, use a broker) If the sad day comes when you decide to sell your own Amel, keep in mind that the process will likely take several months and that there is a fairly well established range of value the boats sell for based on their age. Joel can give you a pretty good idea of the resale value. Thanks again and safe and happy passages to all of you. Michael Glass/ex-Second Call
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Chain Counter
mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
The chain meter counter of my Super Maramu2000 is again out of order.
It is the second one which fails: altogether, this equipment worked less than two years out of the four and an half I had the boat. I am presently far from France (Panama) and would like to try to get it fixed here. Does anybody have got the drawings of the display unit? Who could send it to me by e.mail at mcymabm@... ; the professionals need it to eventually fix the problem. Did anybody replaced this equipment, failing continuously, by a really efficient product? If yes, which one?? I know that I am far from being the only one to have troubles with this equipment, I even know personally some of them. Thanks for your precious help. Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE S.M.2000 ‘’Blue Marine’’ mcymabm@... ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Water maker
mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
I wrote the following some time ago, but, since I was at sea, I was not able to send it earlier.
Good reading Dear Anne and John, on BALI HAI, Dear Jim, on ANTARES, I think you are not confused at all: The situation is such that, even with no desalted water being produced (valve opened, anticlockwise) , the indicator, chronologically after 2 minutes, turns to “Good quality” …of what??? Even if the production is not good, a salinity which was so high that immeasurable with normal manual gauge in my case, the good quality remains green indefinitely. The salinity monitor is not connected, so that it does not analyse the produced water, and does not send salted water, if any, back to sea. (Easy to control there is no voltage on wires connecting to the monitor) In my case, the osmotic filters being out of order after only 500 hours, or less, the equipment produced salted water and sent it in my tanks for months. Since I do not drink it, and since I was relying on the monitor, it probably lasted quite long. Although in French, I could never get from Dessalator proper and clear answers to my numerous letters ( always turning around) until September 20th 2004 …, when P. WAGNER, MD of Dessalator admitted that it was a deliberate choice made by him and AMEL to send salted water in my / your tanks. I find this answer indecent: I simply bought a watermaker to make good water and not salted one. The rest is my concern. On top of that, all the documents we received when commissioning the boat are pure lies and so are the explanations given; and worse, driving to a possible misuse of the equipment. The last letter of P. WAGNER, posted to me and French Forum, is only to turn into derision and ridicule my comments, make philosophy and vindication on salted water…and give absolutely no response, neither to technical questions nor to how to solve the problem; its not his concern. The consequences of this deliberate choice are, or can be, very serious. I actually got problems with: The contactor (pressure switch) of the sanitary water pump. The expansion tank , the one which is not in stainless steel. The washing machine, completely corroded from inside by salt and its other consequence: electrolyse (I can provide pictures). Ceramic filter installation at outgoing of tanks completely corroded. What is the state of the boiler? I have not looked inside yet. The same applies to dishwashing machine, faucets and their fragile thermostats, pipes… I consider we, all Dessalator customers, are facing a very serious and intolerable problem and hope I have been clear enough, although in my English. I, of course, remain at your disposal for any complement, comment or support . Cordially, Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE On” BLUE MARINE” (SM 311) mcymabm@... ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
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Water Maker
mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
amelyachtowners@...
I think it is important to advise you, who have got a DESSALATOR watermaker, that I nearly had fire in by boat. The 220 V. motor, having no electrical protection, burned. Somebody said, on this forum, that the line circuit breaker was not big enough and was contemplating to replace it by a bigger one; I would suggest not to do that. If a breaker trips it is probably because the motor is faulty and takes too much power when starting or blocking. It is a good thing that it tripped; mine didn’t. Anyway the breaker in the switchboard is there to protect the line / cable and not the motor which should have, like all other appliances (charger, air conditioning, fans…), a specific protection adapted to its way of working. DESSALATOR water makers have none. Be careful !! Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE ‘’BLUE MARINE’’ SM N° 311 mcymabm@... ------------------------------------------ Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules
minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
Thomas
Thanks for insight. Next time you are in the U.S, let me know so we can chat. Regards Bob- -- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland" <thomas.neuland@t...> wrote: Hi Bob,ships. This implied that all batteries etc. had to be in the enginecompartment sealed and separated away from all cabin areas.way too small, although "Mallamok"s mainsheet winch is manual (which isgood). So to get rid of the list of 2 deg to port, Amel installed theBatt. Underneath the berth, as it still is today.Bastia in Corsica/France.made in 1989 as SM#3) Try this with another yard.had "Mallamok" in their yard in Hyeres/Southern France and are fully pleased.quiet frequently.under the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs,new inMastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine. We got 4 the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongsidetheengine room.Mastervolt.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Mango For Sale
tom mcguffy <tmcguffy@...>
Alex, we just finished our web site htwconsulting.com/Tempest/ be sure to capitalize Tempest.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2nd generation Nirvava masts on Mango's
tom mcguffy <tmcguffy@...>
James, my Mango is for sale check it out htwconsulting.com/Tempest/ you won't a better example of this model.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules
Thomas Neuland <thomas.neuland@...>
Hi Bob,
First of all the early models were certified as French merchant-ships. This implied that all batteries etc. had to be in the engine compartment sealed and separated away from all cabin areas. Initially four 105Ah Batt. Were installed, but the capacity was way too small, although "Mallamok"s mainsheet winch is manual (which is good). So to get rid of the list of 2 deg to port, Amel installed the Batt. Underneath the berth, as it still is today. We have the 2V Batt. For one season only, but they were performing magnificently. The boat is located at Port Toga, a municipal port of the city of Bastia in Corsica/France. The wiring was discussed between a local electrician and Amel in La Rochelle, Amel was very helpful indeed. (Imagine this, the boat is made in 1989 as SM#3) Try this with another yard. Amel made many proposals and was very cooperative. We had "Mallamok" in their yard in Hyeres/Southern France and are fully pleased. Should you need further info, please let me know, I am in the US quiet frequently. So long, fair winds Thomas Neuland "MALLAMOK" SM#3 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...] Gesendet: Montag, 14. März 2005 06:00 An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules Tom, Glad to hear from someone with an older SM, in many ways these are differnet boats to the new ones. I do believe that Amel solved the problem of the + 2 deg list to Port by moving the battery bank under the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs, sealing the under berth locker, etc? Are the 2v Mastervolts as good as they claim? Where is Mallamok? Regards Bob- -- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland" <thomas.neuland@t...> wrote: Hi Bob,the engine.feeding cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.the engine room.Mastervolt. I will check their website. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules
minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
Tom,
Glad to hear from someone with an older SM, in many ways these are differnet boats to the new ones. I do believe that Amel solved the problem of the + 2 deg list to Port by moving the battery bank under the pilot berth. How did you go about achieving this? wiring runs, sealing the under berth locker, etc? Are the 2v Mastervolts as good as they claim? Where is Mallamok? Regards Bob- -- In amelyachtowners@..., "Thomas Neuland" <thomas.neuland@t...> wrote: Hi Bob,the engine.feeding cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them.the engine room.Mastervolt. I will check their website.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules
Thomas Neuland <thomas.neuland@...>
Hi Bob,
My name is Tom Neuland, Owner of "MALLAMOK" SM#3 . We had the batteries in the engine room, too. First we doubled the capacity with 4 additional batteries behind the engine. This was not so bad, but due to the different resistance of the feeding cables to block#1 and block#2 we had constant amps. Between them. We installed the 2V trac-batteries from Mastervolt as well as a new Mastervolt Charger (83Amps.)and now everything is fine. We got 4 in the engine room and 4 under the pilots-bed, alongside the engine room. The boat is level now and the big weights close to the center of gravity. So long Tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: minaxi53 [mailto:no_reply@...] Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 17:38 An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mastervolt Rules Thanks for the quick responses, I guess it's going to be Mastervolt. I will check their website. Paul, I can't help regrding the wiring run as my SM is the older version where batteries are in the engine room. Bob Yahoo! Groups Links
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