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I: [Amel] davits for santorin

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

dear all,
does anybody knows something about the availabilty of a second station for the VHF Shipmate RS8100, to be fitted in parallel (the manual shows it) for the cockpit?
thanks a lot for advice
Attilio & Maria Santorin#84 Sisila



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Inviato: Mercoledì 27 maggio 2009, 22:06:04
Oggetto: [Amel] davits for santorin





Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern, so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


Re: Maramu vs SM

c_fruendt
 

I also in comparison of two Amels Maramu and Santorin, actually i like the maramu because the systems are simpler, like cutlass bearing, sometimes they have normal battend sails,( no in mast furling) and not so much electrical motors. A bowthruster could be installed.

What i do not like at the Maramu is that the cockpit seems to be small especially there is only on full lenght settee where you can lay and sleep, but the starbord side is much smaller.

Also onyl a few have a real double in the aft cabin so here you might have to change the nice wood interior .

Hello Maramu owners: am i right ?

This is much better on the santorin but also more costly.


Re: [Amel] 1986 Amel Yard Tour

eric freedman
 

Joel,

That was a great video. Congratulations! I really enjoyed it.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Potter
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] 1986 Amel Yard Tour








Whoever posted the Amel yard tour and construction video, thanks for the
memories. I made that as a VHS tape to send to our North American clients to
give them an idea of how Amel boats are built way back in the spring of
1986! While some things have changed (did I ever really have so much hair?)
the construction of the boats today follows the same basic methods as shown
in this nearly antique video. The part with Jacques Carteau explaining the
types of fiberglass used by Amel was heartwarming. Mr. Carteau was still
learning English and was very uncomfortable with it at that point.
Nevertheless, when I asked him to do this piece, he agreed and soldiered
through it without notes or a teleprompter. I enjoyed a nice relationship
with him over the years and can report here that he is happy , healthy and
enjoying his retirement. Several of today's Amel team members acted as
"cameramen" for this video, including our current chairman, Jean Jacques
Lemonnier. Howard and Mary Chamberlain who you meet in the last minutes are
still Amel owners today and continue to flatter me by sending me clients.
Wow, I've been doing Amel boats for over half my life. Click on
http://blip. <http://blip.tv/file/1746815> tv/file/1746815

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@ <mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net> att.net


1986 Amel Yard Tour

amelforme
 

Whoever posted the Amel yard tour and construction video, thanks for the
memories. I made that as a VHS tape to send to our North American clients to
give them an idea of how Amel boats are built way back in the spring of
1986! While some things have changed (did I ever really have so much hair?)
the construction of the boats today follows the same basic methods as shown
in this nearly antique video. The part with Jacques Carteau explaining the
types of fiberglass used by Amel was heartwarming. Mr. Carteau was still
learning English and was very uncomfortable with it at that point.
Nevertheless, when I asked him to do this piece, he agreed and soldiered
through it without notes or a teleprompter. I enjoyed a nice relationship
with him over the years and can report here that he is happy , healthy and
enjoying his retirement. Several of today's Amel team members acted as
"cameramen" for this video, including our current chairman, Jean Jacques
Lemonnier. Howard and Mary Chamberlain who you meet in the last minutes are
still Amel owners today and continue to flatter me by sending me clients.
Wow, I've been doing Amel boats for over half my life. Click on
http://blip.tv/file/1746815

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] SM 160 liter water maker FilmTec Membranes

BM2 <bluemarinemartin@...>
 

Bonjour,

Yes, Airwaterice ships abroad (under double package): I had membranes sent to New Zealand 2 years ago...and much cheapper than Dessalator.
Ask their "Guru" to help.

Rgards

BM2
bluemarinemartin@gmail.com
2009-06-16
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Date : 2009-06-16, 03:07:39
Sujet : [Amel] SM 160 liter water maker FilmTec Membranes





We replaced the FilmTec Membranes SW30-2540 in the 160 liter water maker and immediately went to almost 200 liters/hour on the sight-gauge and 74ppm TDS. I assume that the new FilmTec membranes are of higher quality than the ones we bought 4 years ago. We purchased these for $190 each at www.airwaterice.com (sales"at"airwaterice.com) 772-461-0256 located in Ft. Pierce, Florida.

They do not package for, nor do I think they ship internationally. We had the membranes shipped to a relative who packaged each one inside a 40" long 3" PVC pipe with PVC end caps, then placed in a duffel bag as checked luggage.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387
Mackay, Australia





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Re: [Amel] Hurricane Preparedness

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, I have lived my entire life on the Sassafras River the most northern
river on the Cheasapeake Bay.In all those years we have had few storms
make it this far north and west over the land without losing most of there
strenght.I watched Hurricane Isabelle and its path and if you watch the path
,assuming it does not change you can predict its impact. When Isabelle
approached and it looked like it was going to go up the western shore ,I ran
around warning everyone that we would have a tidal surge and since we never
had one before it fell on many deaf years .To confirm my prediction I
contacted the local Coast Guard in Still Pond , they would only say that maybe we
could have a surge but did not seem too concerned or alarmed. Well anyway
we ended up with a 8 foot surge and one guy who laughed at me and told me in
front of others that I was nuts had two boats washed off his dock. The
point I am trying to make is, first hurricanes are rare and usually weaker up
here. As to preparation , marinas do not have hurricane cradles up here
and a boat can easily be knocked off the stands. I prefer to take my chances
in the water , because few place offer more hurricane holes than the
Cheasapeake. I can not suggest a location because that would depend on the path
of the storm and your location at the time. Most of the rivers have many
bend with creeks and more bends. Many have cliffs and tall trees providing
protection.In conclusion in the unlikely event of a hurricane, look at its
path, then its wind directions for it will change as it passes.Then look at
the chart of the Bay an pick a narrow creek that offers the best protection
from the winds. If you get up to the Sassafras I am on a mooring
4 miles up the river from the mouth of the bay,across from Ordinary Point,
I live there in Kentmore Park. Drop your hook for a weekend its a great
anchorage . Enjoy yor cruise, Pat SM Shenanigans

In a message dated 6/16/2009 2:07:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
karkauai@yahoo.com writes:





Ahoy, everyone,
I'm going to be taking Kristy up to the Chesapeake in a few weeks, sailing
her around the DelMarVa for a couple more weeks, then leaving her in
Deltaville, VA marina on Jackson Creek until early Fall when I'll head for the
Caribbean. I'm looking for some advice about what to do in the event of a
hurricane threatening the Chesapeake. Would you have her hauled, unstepped,
blocked and chained or try to get her upstream in one of the rivers feeding
the bay. If you'd take her up river, which one and would you prefer to keep
her at a dock or at anchor? My ground tackle includes a smaller Fortress
the prior owner used as a lunch hook and aft anchor for Bahamian anchoring,
the original Delta spade that was supplied with the boat on 110 ft of
chain, and a large Fortress on 25 ft of chain and 150 ft of 1" nylon rode.
Specifics appreciated, but any general advice or discussion appreciated. Also,
maybe better in another thread, any advice on ground tackle in general. I'll
be up and down the E coast and Caribbean for another year or two, then
(health and finances willing) thru the Panama and to the S. Pacific.
Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243





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Re: Maramu vs SM

marinmeccanica <marinmeccanica@...>
 

Saw a mention in the Cruisers & Sailing forum on this video about the construction of the older Amels that you may be interested in.
http://blip.tv/file/1746815/
KR

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ericmeury" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

anybody out there with solid experience on the older Maramu's (not sm)...i've seen a few on the net, some with the bow thruster some with out.

I'm thinking with my budget i probably can only afford the older Amel Maramu and because it is less than 50ft it will be a cheaper rate on the dockage.

Any systems known to be a problem. I heard that the bow thruster seals leak on the older boats, but that could be just the guy that doesn't have one trying to sleep at night.

anybody have an anboard air compressor for diving. (that might be a good discussion on a seperate post)

Storage issues as there is no rear "garage"

thank


Re: [Amel] Re: Hurricane Preparedness

Ric <ric@...>
 

Wouldn't worry much about hurricanes in chesapeake. Extremely rare &
predictable. Most follow gulf stream & head towards Bermuda 34/35
lat. areas can have rare super high tides, while other areas will
have extreme low tide. Floating piers only a problem if pilings short.
Bali Hai sm24

On Jun 16, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@svbebe.com> wrote:



Kent,

You obviously need someone with local knowledge to comment on this,
which I do not have. However, I would recommend you research how
much damage was sustained to boats at places like Harve de Grace
when the last hurricane passed through that area several years ago.
A friend had his boat in a Baltimore marina during that hurricane
and the same problem happened at both the Baltimore marina and at
Harve de Grace -- the floating docks floating up off the pylons
during the storm surge. The surge would likely be your biggest
concern in that area rather than the high winds.

Just my 2 cents.

Judy
S/V BeBe
Amel SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "karkauai" <karkauai@...>
wrote:

Ahoy, everyone,
I'm going to be taking Kristy up to the Chesapeake in a few weeks,
sailing her around the DelMarVa for a couple more weeks, then
leaving her in Deltaville, VA marina on Jackson Creek until early
Fall when I'll head for the Caribbean. I'm looking for some advice
about what to do in the event of a hurricane threatening the
Chesapeake. Would you have her hauled, unstepped, blocked and
chained or try to get her upstream in one of the rivers feeding the
bay. If you'd take her up river, which one and would you prefer to
keep her at a dock or at anchor? My ground tackle includes a smaller
Fortress the prior owner used as a lunch hook and aft anchor for
Bahamian anchoring, the original Delta spade that was supplied with
the boat on 110 ft of chain, and a large Fortress on 25 ft of chain
and 150 ft of 1" nylon rode. Specifics appreciated, but any general
advice or discussion appreciated. Also, maybe better in another
thread, any advice on ground tackle in general. I'll be up and down
the E coast and Caribbean for another year or two, then (health and
finances willing) thru the Panama and to the S. Pacific.
Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


Re: Hurricane Preparedness

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

You obviously need someone with local knowledge to comment on this, which I do not have. However, I would recommend you research how much damage was sustained to boats at places like Harve de Grace when the last hurricane passed through that area several years ago. A friend had his boat in a Baltimore marina during that hurricane and the same problem happened at both the Baltimore marina and at Harve de Grace -- the floating docks floating up off the pylons during the storm surge. The surge would likely be your biggest concern in that area rather than the high winds.

Just my 2 cents.

Judy
S/V BeBe
Amel SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "karkauai" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Ahoy, everyone,
I'm going to be taking Kristy up to the Chesapeake in a few weeks, sailing her around the DelMarVa for a couple more weeks, then leaving her in Deltaville, VA marina on Jackson Creek until early Fall when I'll head for the Caribbean. I'm looking for some advice about what to do in the event of a hurricane threatening the Chesapeake. Would you have her hauled, unstepped, blocked and chained or try to get her upstream in one of the rivers feeding the bay. If you'd take her up river, which one and would you prefer to keep her at a dock or at anchor? My ground tackle includes a smaller Fortress the prior owner used as a lunch hook and aft anchor for Bahamian anchoring, the original Delta spade that was supplied with the boat on 110 ft of chain, and a large Fortress on 25 ft of chain and 150 ft of 1" nylon rode. Specifics appreciated, but any general advice or discussion appreciated. Also, maybe better in another thread, any advice on ground tackle in general. I'll be up and down the E coast and Caribbean for another year or two, then (health and finances willing) thru the Panama and to the S. Pacific.
Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


Re: SM 160 liter water maker FilmTec Membranes

Ian <crusader53@...>
 

Bill,

unless Air Water Ice have recently changed their policy, they do ship internationally. They sent me two membranes last year to Cyprus. Packaging was marginal, being in cardboard tubes. However despite some evidence of fluid leakage and slight crushing of one of the shipping tubes, both membranes have performed perfectly.

Production rate will depend on both the sea water temperature and its salinity at your location. Dessaltor advise that the pressure is reduced to achieve a maximum of 160 l/h when in less saline water than normal to preserve membrane life. I guess there may be some erosion effect on the membranes if flow rates are higher?

Whatever, the price is right! I have always had excellent service from Air Water Ice and would recommend them to anyone. Incidentally I added a Seagull Water filter/faucet to my galley, which makes the drinking water taste excellent to drink.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

We replaced the FilmTec Membranes SW30-2540 in the 160 liter water maker and immediately went to almost 200 liters/hour on the sight-gauge and 74ppm TDS. I assume that the new FilmTec membranes are of higher quality than the ones we bought 4 years ago. We purchased these for $190 each at www.airwaterice.com (sales"at"airwaterice.com) 772-461-0256 located in Ft. Pierce, Florida.

They do not package for, nor do I think they ship internationally. We had the membranes shipped to a relative who packaged each one inside a 40" long 3" PVC pipe with PVC end caps, then placed in a duffel bag as checked luggage.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe SM2 #387
Mackay, Australia


Re: [Amel] buying amel

Uhlir János <ujanos@...>
 

They r dreamers :-)

Today the market of the byers 100% !

And in my way still the next 2-3 yrs!







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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] buying amel








ok it is expensive but why some boats are advertised 2-3 years, i am sure in
europe there are not many who wants to buy an old amel at all, they go for
charter or buying a boat with financing or a 3 years old out of charter etc.
where are all the olf boats going , in Germany 250 Hallberg Rassy are for
sale.....



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Hurricane Preparedness

karkauai
 

Ahoy, everyone,
I'm going to be taking Kristy up to the Chesapeake in a few weeks, sailing her around the DelMarVa for a couple more weeks, then leaving her in Deltaville, VA marina on Jackson Creek until early Fall when I'll head for the Caribbean. I'm looking for some advice about what to do in the event of a hurricane threatening the Chesapeake. Would you have her hauled, unstepped, blocked and chained or try to get her upstream in one of the rivers feeding the bay. If you'd take her up river, which one and would you prefer to keep her at a dock or at anchor? My ground tackle includes a smaller Fortress the prior owner used as a lunch hook and aft anchor for Bahamian anchoring, the original Delta spade that was supplied with the boat on 110 ft of chain, and a large Fortress on 25 ft of chain and 150 ft of 1" nylon rode. Specifics appreciated, but any general advice or discussion appreciated. Also, maybe better in another thread, any advice on ground tackle in general. I'll be up and down the E coast and Caribbean for another year or two, then (health and finances willing) thru the Panama and to the S. Pacific.
Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


Re: [Amel] buying amel

c_fruendt
 

ok it is expensive but why some boats are advertised 2-3 years, i am sure in europe there are not many who wants to buy an old amel at all, they go for charter or buying a boat with financing or a 3 years old out of charter etc. where are all the olf boats going , in Germany 250 Hallberg Rassy are for sale.....


Re: [Amel] buying amel

c_fruendt
 

Hi reg Blister : i only be carefull because i know two german couples who hat to do a full blister treatment after purchase and that was quite expensive. Now they are happy sailing in the south pacific


Maramu mystery drain

Dave_Benjamin
 

In our documents we have what I believe to be a translation of the original manual for our 1979 Maramu. There is a reference to a couple of drain plugs that can be opened in the even of water in the bilges of the saloon. One is reportedly in the engine room on port side. I looked for it without success. I suspect the previous owner covered it when he added some sound insulation. Can anyone pinpoint the location of that drain plug? I would prefer to only remove a small bit of insulation.


Re: [Amel] buying amel

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

Dream on i think it is called market conditions. IF you want an AMEL you
pay what it costs its rather simple if you find a cheap one there is
probably some problems with it - maybe a refurb/repair/rebuild after some
hurricane damage or a serious grounding or or or

regards

David

2009/6/16 c_fruendt <c_fruendt@yahoo.com>



Dear all i need some advice, i follow the forum and the market since 1-2
years in respect of a Maramu, i visited some already in France and talked
with owners of other boats like hallberg rassy etc. my problem is that the
asked prices are sometimes so high without any renovation done in the past.
I dont know the price for new Maramu arround 1990 but now they are asking
for 120-180.000 USD in europe which is maybe same like the original price. I
could accept such price if the boat has been renovated but most of the time
they are original, old engine, 10 years old sail, rigging original or 15
years old, no osmose treatment etc and the owner really love their boat and
mention that it is like new and everything is working although it is 28
years old.... very difficult to have a realistic discussion with such owners
and if i tell them that i dont need all the nice ( 8 years old ) electronic
they are upset.

I have sold my last nordic folkboat after 10 years also for the same price
as i paid but with a new Mast, new sail, extra spinnaker, new cushions, new
hatch etc

I calculating easy 30.000 EUR for decent renovation of a Maramu with a lot
TLC, but engine, sails and rigging, sanitary equipment etc should be new or
professional renovated . Blister protection is another costly story. So my
idea is that a normal Maramu should be somewhere arround 60-70.000 EUR or
100.000 after renovation.

Am i wrong or are there so many Amel buyers outside, i trace Amels which
are advertised since 2 years without any price reduction....

Regards carsten

I will not buy a new boat but sometime i start to think if i see a 40 feet
new boat for 120.000 EURo......



Re: [Amel] buying amel

Dave_Benjamin
 

Carsten,

The market is what it is. Amel's seem to hold their value well. You may want to keep an eye on boats here in the US as they go for less than their European counterparts and delivery from the east coast to Europe is doable. Even a west coast boat, if one comes on the market, could be delivered by Dockwise from Vancouver BC or Ensenada. There was a rather tired looking Maramu in NY that recently sold for for $115 or $120K USD.

Why the emphasis on osmotic treatment? Amel's are not known to have significant blister issues.

--- On Tue, 6/16/09, c_fruendt <c_fruendt@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: c_fruendt <c_fruendt@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] buying amel
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 3:37 AM

















Dear all i need some advice, i follow the forum and the market since 1-2 years in respect of a Maramu, i visited some already in France and talked with owners of other boats like hallberg rassy etc. my problem is that the asked prices are sometimes so high without any renovation done in the past. I dont know the price for new Maramu arround 1990 but now they are asking for 120-180.000 USD in europe which is maybe same like the original price. I could accept such price if the boat has been renovated but most of the time they are original, old engine, 10 years old sail, rigging original or 15 years old, no osmose treatment etc and the owner really love their boat and mention that it is like new and everything is working although it is 28 years old.... very difficult to have a realistic discussion with such owners and if i tell them that i dont need all the nice ( 8 years old ) electronic they are upset.



I have sold my last nordic folkboat after 10 years also for the same price as i paid but with a new Mast, new sail, extra spinnaker, new cushions, new hatch etc



I calculating easy 30.000 EUR for decent renovation of a Maramu with a lot TLC, but engine, sails and rigging, sanitary equipment etc should be new or professional renovated . Blister protection is another costly story. So my idea is that a normal Maramu should be somewhere arround 60-70.000 EUR or 100.000 after renovation.



Am i wrong or are there so many Amel buyers outside, i trace Amels which are advertised since 2 years without any price reduction... .



Regards carsten



I will not buy a new boat but sometime i start to think if i see a 40 feet new boat for 120.000 EURo......




























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Re: Maramu vs SM

Ken & Judy <goldendaze@...>
 

Ken and Judy on Golden Daze, 1985 Maramu #192 with no bow thruster.
I wish we had one. We are currently in Turkey. All Med marinas are
stern to, and in a cross wind it is hard to control the bow, one must
walk the bow line up the deck to secure the bow. A thruster would be
a big help, as the helm person can control the bow while the other
handles the lines.
Our perkins 4-154 has 5800 hours and has been perfect. Trans Atlantic
Diesel in White Marsh VA has all parts and service. We added a
Phasor 6K genset with 2 cyl kubota engine. We have done lots of other
additions including new refer/freezer, stove and corian sink and counters.
The original refer is worthless, so plan on a new setup of some kind.
The original freezer is great. We use as a refer when hauled out as
our new refer has a keel cooler.

I think the mast is far to heavy on the early models with in mast
furling. We removed the masts to paint and rewire, etc. and replace
the furler bearings. Having such a heavy mast makes the boat tender
in a cross breeze when moored, and also heels a bit more. However
we do like the furling sails and seem to be moving along nicely with no
battens. And don't have to go on deck in stinky weather (we fully
enclosed the cockpit).

The fuel tank is on the starboard side, so you never sit exactly plumb,
except when fuel is at the right point.

The prop shaft alternator slows us down enough that we don't use it,
we have a wind generator and solar panel on our arch as well as the gen,
and 2 large alternators on the perkins (only one belted up at a time).
Would have more solar panels and no wind gen if doing over.

We have sailed the SM as well and like our Maramu better for just the
two of us.

Our friends with a SM have had some problems with the U drive system.

We like the two settees in the main cabin, as we can lay back to watch
TV movies. We mounted the TV on the cabin ceiling in a babinga wood
box that folds down from the cross beam.

Email if you have questions.


Ken Coats, Judy Golden


Re: [Amel] Round the world complete

Uhlir János <ujanos@...>
 

Congratulation!!



Do you have website or blog?



J



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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Round the world complete








Congratulations
Fair winds
Eric
sv Kimberlite sm 376


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[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Louise o Bengt
Mårtensson
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:55 AM
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Subject: [Amel] Round the world complete

Hi
We are just back home again after completing our circumnavigation in one
Super Maramu 2000.
Louise and Bengt





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buying amel

c_fruendt
 

Dear all i need some advice, i follow the forum and the market since 1-2 years in respect of a Maramu, i visited some already in France and talked with owners of other boats like hallberg rassy etc. my problem is that the asked prices are sometimes so high without any renovation done in the past. I dont know the price for new Maramu arround 1990 but now they are asking for 120-180.000 USD in europe which is maybe same like the original price. I could accept such price if the boat has been renovated but most of the time they are original, old engine, 10 years old sail, rigging original or 15 years old, no osmose treatment etc and the owner really love their boat and mention that it is like new and everything is working although it is 28 years old.... very difficult to have a realistic discussion with such owners and if i tell them that i dont need all the nice ( 8 years old ) electronic they are upset.

I have sold my last nordic folkboat after 10 years also for the same price as i paid but with a new Mast, new sail, extra spinnaker, new cushions, new hatch etc

I calculating easy 30.000 EUR for decent renovation of a Maramu with a lot TLC, but engine, sails and rigging, sanitary equipment etc should be new or professional renovated . Blister protection is another costly story. So my idea is that a normal Maramu should be somewhere arround 60-70.000 EUR or 100.000 after renovation.

Am i wrong or are there so many Amel buyers outside, i trace Amels which are advertised since 2 years without any price reduction....

Regards carsten

I will not buy a new boat but sometime i start to think if i see a 40 feet new boat for 120.000 EURo......