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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermakers

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Dear John & Walter,

I may be mistaken, but I am not sure that you are right about the nature of
the salinity tester. On my 160 l/h unit, there is a device with two probes
that is located on the output of the membranes. It consists of two probes
that measure, presumably, the conductivity of the desalinated water which
will be related to the salt content. This device controls the diverter valve
that allows water to enter the tank when it meets the required level of
freshness.

This seems to use a similar principle to my Hanna water tester, two probes
measuring the conductivity of the water. I do seem to remember talking to
Desalinator at the Cannes boat show some time ago, and they did mention that
you do need to keep these probes clean for them to work properly. Could it
be that the probes on Blue Marine were contaminated and that the probe was
not working properly?

Season's Greeting so all.

Ian Shepherd "Crusader" SM 414

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Algae on propeller

tonic102004 <paebersold@...>
 

I am new owner of a used sm (227). I did not use it much until know.
The boat is well maintained and in very good condition, we like it
very much. Nevertheless, there seems to be a problem with algae
development on the propeller when the boat lays for a few weeks in
the marina. Actualy the boat is in SanRemo in the Med. After a few
weeks not beeing used, the engines gets up to 1700t/m instead of 2500
or more. The previous owner had evertime asked a diver to clean the
propeller before navigating.
Has anybody experience in solving this problem. Or is the only way
diving and cleaning?
Thanks
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermakers

Walter Lundstrom <WalterL@...>
 

I'm under the impression that the 2 minutes wait has to with the water (with
the water maker in the engine room)being to warm and the 2 minutes
circulation would cool it down. Maybe I'm wrong...
Walter
Prior owner "Linna"

-----Original Message-----
From: John and Anne on Bali Hai [mailto:hollamby@...]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watermakers



Some time ago I commented on what appeared to be strange features of the
watermakers fitted to Super Maramus. Our boat is fitted with a 160 ltr per
hr unit and has performed perfectly over the past three seasons. The
standard installation is a 60 ltr ph unit, I think. It seems that both units
have one thing in common, namely that the so called salinity monitor is
nonexistent. Instead it is a timer which assumes the sea water has been
desalinated after two minutes and then sends the product to the water tank.
This is fine so long as the machine is working properly. However if the
product is not totally purified it will have a salt content which can and
will have a devastating effect on equipment which is designed to only work
with purified water. In other words the alloy castings used to make the
washing machine and others will corrode/erode/be electrolised and fail and
leak just before falling apart with dangerous and expensive consequenses.
I have an Email from Yves on Blue Marine who sends me pictures of destroyed
castings from his washing machine and a report,by someone who claims to be
an expert in this field which has, I believe, been sent to our alter ego,
namely the French version of this web site.
What this report says, in French, which if I understand it right, is that
Amel/Dessalaters have devised a version of the standard 60 ltr ph machine
which is fundamentally flawed as it does not provide enough sea water to
satisfy the desalinator and that this results in the early failure of the
membranes with potentially catastrophic results.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but we need to know ! It could be
that Yves on Blue Marine has,umwittingly, flushed the membranes with shore
water containing chlorine which would immediately damage the membranes
beyond repair.
I have the bigger version because I know, from transpac experience that it
is better to have a machine which will produce a lot of water quickly whilst
the genset is running, or with my last boat, with a high pressure pump
working the desalinator staight off the end of the main engine drive
pulleys. I also know that one of the greatest gifts that one can give to
Pacific Islanders on remote atolls or even in larger groups such as Fiji in
times of drought, is fresh water.
The failure of a watermaker on a long voyage would not be catastrophic
assuming that one keeps ones tanks full. However a watermaker without an
effective salinity monitor is potentially life threatening. A simple
alternative would be to to have an easy way of tasting the product coupled
with a manually operated valve to send the pure product to the tanks.
Blue Marine clearly did not notice the failure in the purification process
perhaps, because they, surprisingly to me, drink only bottled water,
whereas we only drink product and would thus be aware fairly soon if the
product was salty. Blue Marines installation was.
I suppose, not passing pure sea water as they would, I imagine would have
noticed the salinity whilst showering.
Be that as it may, there is a very worrying issue here and I call upon our
Guru, Joel Potter, to give us a definitive reply and advice as soon as
possible.
It would also be interesting to have comments from other water making folk.

Happy New Year from Anne and John





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Watermakers

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Some time ago I commented on what appeared to be strange features of
the watermakers fitted to Super Maramus. Our boat is fitted with
a 160 ltr per hr unit and has performed perfectly over the past
three seasons. The standard installation is a 60 ltr ph unit, I
think. It seems that both units have one thing in common, namely
that the so called salinity monitor is nonexistent. Instead it is a
timer which assumes the sea water has been desalinated after two
minutes and then sends the product to the water tank.
This is fine so long as the machine is working properly. However if
the product is not totally purified it will have a salt content
which can and will have a devastating effect on equipment which is
designed to only work with purified water. In other words the alloy
castings used to make the washing machine and others will
corrode/erode/be electrolised and fail and leak just before falling
apart with dangerous and expensive consequenses.
I have an Email from Yves on Blue Marine who sends me pictures of
destroyed castings from his washing machine and a report,by someone
who claims to be an expert in this field which has, I believe, been
sent to our alter ego, namely the French version of this web site.
What this report says, in French, which if I understand it right,
is that Amel/Dessalaters have devised a version of the standard 60
ltr ph machine which is fundamentally flawed as it does not provide
enough sea water to satisfy the desalinator and that this results in
the early failure of the membranes with potentially catastrophic
results.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but we need to know ! It
could be that Yves on Blue Marine has,umwittingly, flushed the
membranes with shore water containing chlorine which would
immediately damage the membranes beyond repair.
I have the bigger version because I know, from transpac experience
that it is better to have a machine which will produce a lot of
water quickly whilst the genset is running, or with my last boat,
with a high pressure pump working the desalinator staight off the
end of the main engine drive pulleys. I also know that one of the
greatest gifts that one can give to Pacific Islanders on remote
atolls or even in larger groups such as Fiji in times of drought, is
fresh water.
The failure of a watermaker on a long voyage would not be
catastrophic assuming that one keeps ones tanks full. However a
watermaker without an effective salinity monitor is potentially life
threatening. A simple alternative would be to to have an easy way of
tasting the product coupled with a manually operated valve to send
the pure product to the tanks.
Blue Marine clearly did not notice the failure in the purification
process perhaps, because they, surprisingly to me, drink only
bottled water, whereas we only drink product and would thus be aware
fairly soon if the product was salty. Blue Marines installation was.
I suppose, not passing pure sea water as they would, I imagine would
have noticed the salinity whilst showering.
Be that as it may, there is a very worrying issue here and I call
upon our Guru, Joel Potter, to give us a definitive reply and advice
as soon as possible.
It would also be interesting to have comments from other water
making folk.

Happy New Year from Anne and John


Bowthrusters

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Don,
Sorry,I cannot help as I have a Super Maramu with 28 volt systems.
Obviously St Lucia is a problem. You could try phoning Nicholsons
Yacht Charter or Joel Brierly, both in Antigua, to see if they know
where there is a competent electrical shop in the Windies.

Good hunting, Anne and John


Re: Bow thrusters

mangoamel <mangoamel@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@c...> wrote:

Hi Jon and Anne;
Barefoot is in St. Lucia which is a problem as far as the
services available electrical repair. The electric motor when I
removed it, I found that one of the cables was broken and another
was two thirds gone. These cables were located at the top end of
the motor. These cables were replaced and I was able to get the
motor to run in a clockwise direction. The two cables that run to
the bottom of the motor inside the motor housing show continuity but
I able to determine their load carrying capability. One of these
cables is brazed onto a lead on the stator. St. Lucia does not have
the ability braze these heavy cables. Do happen to know the
function of the fourth cable?

Jon if you can read identification lable on the bow thruster
motor would you pass the information onto me. I assume you have a
12 volt system. Thanks!

Thanks for the e-mail. Have a very Merry Christmas

Don Patterson


Re: Bow thrusters

mangoamel <mangoamel@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@c...> wrote:

Hi Jon and Anne;
Barefoot is in St. Lucia which is a problem as far as the
services available electrical repair. The electric motor when I
removed it, I found that one of the cables was broken and another
was two thirds gone. These cables were located at the top end of
the motor. These cables were replaced and I was able to get the
motor to run in a clockwise direction. The two cables that run to
the bottom of the motor inside the motor housing show continuity but
I able to determine their load carrying capability. One of these
cables is brazed onto a lead on the stator. St. Lucia does not have
the ability braze these heavy cables. Do happen to know the
function of the fourth cable?

Jon if you can read identification lable on the bow thruster
motor would you pass the information onto me. I assume you have a
12 volt system. Thanks!

Thanks for the e-mail. Have a very Merry Christmas

Don Patterson


Bow thrusters

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Don,
If the motor has failed it can only be bad brushes or burnt out
windings on the armature solenoid or whatever. Find a local
electrical shop capable of rewinding and get their advice. There is
nothing majical about the repair except that it is quickly done and
much cheaper than buying and shipping a new motor.
It worked for us in Venezuela and other places. In Australia we had
a problem with the exhaust elbow on the Volvo on our then boat. A
replacement could only be obtained by having one flown out at huge
expense. A local firm in Queensland fabricated a new one out of
stainless in a couple of days and it cost much less than a
replacement even before shipping costs,import aggravation etc..
Try it,what have you got to lose!

Merry Christmas to all. Anne and John, SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Heaving To"

Steve Leeds
 

Dear Don,
The wheel (and thus rudder) should be turned to windward. It has to be adjusted until you achieve the optimal 55 degrees bow angle off the wind. In our boat in lower winds we have a tendency to fall off too much which causes rolling. As the wind picks up, the mizzen turns the boat back into the wind. The wheel should be held in position with a heavy shock-cord to allow some "give" to relieve shock to the steering gear. The boat should be stalled, not making any headway through the water and producing turbulence from the keel directly to windward. This has to be determined by eye as your GPS will show the boat moving in some direction, generally downwind but possibly any direction even upwind due to the current.

Cheers,
Steve

mangoamel <mangoamel@...> wrote:

Dear Steve;
When heaved to what position do you place the rudder? A midship?

Thank you,


Don Patterson
Barefoot


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Heaving To"

mangoamel <mangoamel@...>
 

Dear Steve;
When heaved to what position do you place the rudder? A midship?

Thank you,


Don Patterson
Barefoot


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amel mango bow thruster and furling electric motors

mangoamel <mangoamel@...>
 

It appears as if the bow thruster propulsion electric motor has
failed. I have e-mailed Amel as to availability of a replacement
motor but have had no response as of yet.

The electric furling motors and the bow thruster motors have four
cables. On the bow thruster appears to have the following: (1)
ground,(2)power from solenoid to run the motor clockwise0(3) power
from solenoid to run motor counter clockwise and (4) a fourth cable
which is attached to forward solenoid but it is not a power lead.
I suspect that it maybe some type of neutral or return that may go
to the negative side of the battery. I spoke with joel Potter he
described the electrical system as "a full floating electric
system"; however he could not tell me the function of the fourth
cable (wire). The four cable (wire) system is also used on the
outhaul, main sail and head sail furling electric motors. If someone
could esplain the purpose of the fourth cable (wire) I would
appreciate it.

Additionally, if anyone knows of a source for the propulsion motor
or has substituted another electric motor for the original one, I
would appreciate being advised incase Amel does not have one
available. Thanks to all for your assistance.

Don Pstterson


Re: Super maramu bow thruster, and leaking rudder

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Graham

The rudderpost is very much like a stuffing box tighten it and it
will stop leaking. Only tighten as much as needed.

Bow thruster is again quite simple. 4 screws between the motor and
the shaft will allow you to drop the unit. Make sure someone is there
to catch it. This is best done out of the water. You can buy the
seals from Amel. Change the oil while you have it out.

Vito

Wanderer

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Graham Boyd" <crwggb@y...>
wrote:

Can any one help?

I have just purchased SM140 "Sula" (ex Gallant of Fowey). I require
to replace the bow thruster seals, any top tips that might make the
job easier?
Also on our trip from Cornwall to the Clyde in Scotland last month
we
had water come in the rudder stock, this collected in the area
infront of the stock and the a fair amount of it seems to have
leaked
through a hole covered by a white plastic cap into the skeg cavity.
Is this plastic cap meant to be water tight and does anyone know if
there is a drain hole for the skeg cavity?
Any other comments would be welcome as owning an amel is a new
experience for us,

Graham Boyd
SM 140 Sula


Super maramu bow thruster, and leaking rudder

Graham Boyd
 

Can any one help?

I have just purchased SM140 "Sula" (ex Gallant of Fowey). I require
to replace the bow thruster seals, any top tips that might make the
job easier?
Also on our trip from Cornwall to the Clyde in Scotland last month we
had water come in the rudder stock, this collected in the area
infront of the stock and the a fair amount of it seems to have leaked
through a hole covered by a white plastic cap into the skeg cavity.
Is this plastic cap meant to be water tight and does anyone know if
there is a drain hole for the skeg cavity?
Any other comments would be welcome as owning an amel is a new
experience for us,

Graham Boyd
SM 140 Sula


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 Construction

eric freedman
 

John,

My e-mail address is kimberlite@...

Thanks

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: John and Anne on Bali Hai [mailto:hollamby@...]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 Construction




Dear Eric,
I do nnot have your full Email address so if you need the pics
direct please give me the details.

Best wishes from Malta, John










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SM 2000 Construction

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Dear Eric,
I do nnot have your full Email address so if you need the pics
direct please give me the details.

Best wishes from Malta, John


SM2000 Construction

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

I have downloaded some pics of a Super Maramu under construction.
They appear under photos under SM c. Click on each thumbnail to get
a bigger pic.Click on that and get a slightly larger pic.
The quality is not great because we reduced the resolution to save
time downloading and space on the site.
If anyone wants a larger pic at much better quality give me your
Email address and I will send it to you but be aware that each pic
may be up to 10 megabytes.
I also made a mistake and created a blank album with the same name
but do not know how to delete it.

Good viewing to all, Anne and John, SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu on cover of Sail magazine

amelforme
 

Hi Richard,



Joel Potter here. That photo was taken off Fort Lauderdale Beach.
The boat was TOOWOWIE owned by Lowell and Sharon Blossom. That's me
in the floral shirt on the port side of the cockpit. Autopilot is
steering, my buddy Ray Eaton is opposite to starboard, and we were
doing almost 10 knots. Billy Black took the photos for a feature
article when the SUPER MARAMU won BOAT OF THE YEAR- OVERALL in
Cruising Worlds 2000 BOTY competition.



Incidentally, a nearly identical photo also appeared on the cover of
BLUE WATER SAILING for the June, 2004 issue which was taken during the
same session. That was a fun day on the water!



All the best,

Joel F. Potter - SM 400, "MARY BROWN"


Super Maramu on cover of Sail magazine

Zanareva
 

Is the Super Maramu on the cover of the latest Sail magazine a forum
member? Any idea where this great aerial photo was taken?
Richard Tate
SM "Spice"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: build photos

eric freedman
 

Dear John,

Thanks-please send me a copy to Kimberlite@....

Fair winds,

Eric

Sm 376



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Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: build photos



We have some pretty good pics of SM under construction in 2001. However my
IT Manager is in Sweden until next week but as soon as she returns to the
nest I will ask her to post them.

Regards John Hollamby





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: build photos

Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

We have some pretty good pics of SM under construction in 2001. However my
IT Manager is in Sweden until next week but as soon as she returns to the
nest I will ask her to post them.

Regards John Hollamby