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Re: [Amel] soda blasting

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thank you Joel, much appreciated.
Danny SM299

----- Original Message -----
From: Joel F. Potter
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] soda blasting





All things equal, soda or "media" blasting is a much better way to remove old anti-fouling
than sanding. Like any mechanical process, the desired end result depends a great deal on
the skill of the one performing the work. A good media blasting technician can coax all
the coatings off without damaging the underlying gel coat. Keep an eye on the process as
it begins. If the technician cuts through the gel coat more than once, pull the plug and
go to PLAN B. Always have a plan B.
If the gel coat is not perforated, you need not put any anti-osmotic coatings on the hull.
AMEL puts the anti-osmotic barrier coat BEHIND the gel coat while initially laminating the
fiberglass so, if the gel coat is not compromised, the anti-osmotics are still as
effective as they were originally. Just repair any areas where the gel coat gets cut and
you are good to go. Nothing wrong with the belt and braces(suspenders) approach of adding
more anti-osmosis coatings. However, they really are not necessary.
If you must employ any type of conventional machine sanding, watch the operator like a
hawk for the entire process as it is much more likely to result in damaged/perforated gel
coat compared to media blasting. Sand blasting has its own set of problems and should not
be used on fiberglass boat bottoms.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

rossirossix4
 

Don't know why, but every time I've had a problem with the holding tanks seeping back into the toilet bowel, I've filled the head with a gallon of vinegar and pumped it half through, then waited overnight, and the problem is gone for weeks/months. Haven't had to replace the oneway rubber valve in years.

For what its worth.

Bob, Brittany de la Mer

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Bill,

I tried the same thing a few tears ago 100% vinegar also nada.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and
vinegar as a solution








Re: test with vinegar

After I solved the problem with heavy calcification by using the tool shown
in the photo section and described in earlier postings, I decided to conduct
an experiment with vinegar and the calcified deposits.

I took some chunks of the deposits and placed and equal amount in each of 2
jars. One jar was filled with 50:50 salt water and vinegar and the other
with 50:50 drinking water and vinegar.

The reults after 30 days of soaking in the solutions:
Nothing, Nada, Zilch... The vinegar solutions had absolutely no effect.

Possibly the results that some have seen with adding vinegar to the head to
rid calcified deposits is some sort of placebo effect!

Thought you would like to know.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia







Re: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I tried the same thing a few tears ago 100% vinegar also nada.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and
vinegar as a solution








Re: test with vinegar

After I solved the problem with heavy calcification by using the tool shown
in the photo section and described in earlier postings, I decided to conduct
an experiment with vinegar and the calcified deposits.

I took some chunks of the deposits and placed and equal amount in each of 2
jars. One jar was filled with 50:50 salt water and vinegar and the other
with 50:50 drinking water and vinegar.

The reults after 30 days of soaking in the solutions:
Nothing, Nada, Zilch... The vinegar solutions had absolutely no effect.

Possibly the results that some have seen with adding vinegar to the head to
rid calcified deposits is some sort of placebo effect!

Thought you would like to know.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia


Re: [Amel] soda blasting

amelforme
 

All things equal, soda or "media" blasting is a much better way to remove old anti-fouling
than sanding. Like any mechanical process, the desired end result depends a great deal on
the skill of the one performing the work. A good media blasting technician can coax all
the coatings off without damaging the underlying gel coat. Keep an eye on the process as
it begins. If the technician cuts through the gel coat more than once, pull the plug and
go to PLAN B. Always have a plan B.
If the gel coat is not perforated, you need not put any anti-osmotic coatings on the hull.
AMEL puts the anti-osmotic barrier coat BEHIND the gel coat while initially laminating the
fiberglass so, if the gel coat is not compromised, the anti-osmotics are still as
effective as they were originally. Just repair any areas where the gel coat gets cut and
you are good to go. Nothing wrong with the belt and braces(suspenders) approach of adding
more anti-osmosis coatings. However, they really are not necessary.
If you must employ any type of conventional machine sanding, watch the operator like a
hawk for the entire process as it is much more likely to result in damaged/perforated gel
coat compared to media blasting. Sand blasting has its own set of problems and should not
be used on fiberglass boat bottoms.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bill,

I had the same problem. I went to Home Depot and rented a small hand held drain snake, not the variety on the drum, but instead the type that is fairly short and attatched to a crank handle. With this device I was able to "break through" the blockage. I would recommend putting some masking tape over the wooden cutout frames to avoid scratching them.

I would also recommend sending a similar slightly longer device up the discharge side from the outside of the boat.

After I cleared as much of the blockage as I could I shut off the seacock and filled the holding tank with a mxture of fresh water and septic tank cleaning solution. I let it soak for a day or so and then opened up the seacock while at the same time flooding the holding tank with fresh water via the pump out opening.

Hope this helps.

John Abercrombie
SM 391

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I searched and searched because I remember someone describing how they solved the problem I have, but I could not find the posting.

One of our heads stopped discharging. I removed the prox 1" hose that is the discharge hose from the maceration pump and found it partially clogged with calcification. I also removed the prox 2" diameter 10" long hose that the 1" hose connects to and found it completely blocked with calcification.

The metal brass or bronze pipe that the 2" hose connects to is also blocked with calcification. The hoses are removable/replaceable and easy to take care of...the pipe has got me!

I was able to remove a considerable amount of calcification from the pipe with various screwdrivers, but it is still blocked.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe SM2 #387


soda blasting

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi From Danny SM 299. I need to strip back my anti fouling as it has poor adhesion as a result of being applied over an incompatable paint. I need to strip it right back, apply a barier coat and re anti foul. Does any one have experience of soda blasting to do this work as opposed to orbital sanding.
Regards
Danny


Re: Head discharge hose clogged with calcification and vinegar as a solution

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Re: test with vinegar

After I solved the problem with heavy calcification by using the tool shown in the photo section and described in earlier postings, I decided to conduct an experiment with vinegar and the calcified deposits.

I took some chunks of the deposits and placed and equal amount in each of 2 jars. One jar was filled with 50:50 salt water and vinegar and the other with 50:50 drinking water and vinegar.

The reults after 30 days of soaking in the solutions:
Nothing, Nada, Zilch... The vinegar solutions had absolutely no effect.

Possibly the results that some have seen with adding vinegar to the head to rid calcified deposits is some sort of placebo effect!

Thought you would like to know.

Best,

Bill
s/v Bebe, SM2, #387
Mackay, Australia


Sharki

dmichellod@bluewin.ch <dmichellod@...>
 

Hi,

About Sharki.

1 Has anybody an idea why the rudder could be more hard to steer with the time? How to remedy?

2 How to process to dismantle the rudder? How much distance to be left under the rudder to have it slipping out?

3 Any address to find the originals taps from the shower?

Any help welcome. Thanks

DMichelLod


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Re: Verical Batons

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bob

Thank you for your reply. Do you have a diagram or layout of the sail. If so I would appreciate you sending it to me. I am glad that minmaxi has been a good boat for you. I look forward to hearing about the other upgrades that you have made.

Vito
ASM 283
Bay of Islands NZ

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, minaxi53 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Vito
Long time no chat.

One of the many upgrades I did to "Minaxi" your old boat was a new vertical batten mainsail. My opinion is that it is well worth doing. Much better sail shape, not really a positive shape but much better than the regular negative cut sail. Just returned from the Caribbean and managed several 200 mile days, I would say the sail helped. No trouble reefing at all, just keep a little pressure on the outhaul.
Done many upgrades since you handed SM6 to us. One day I will get around to placing some photo's on the site.

Hope you and family are well and enjoying the bottom end of the World.

Best Regards

Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@> wrote:

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.




























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Re: [Amel] Re:ground cable in cockpit locker

eric freedman
 

I also hook a zinc guppy to this connection and hang it over the side for
additional galvanic protection when at a dock.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miles Bidwell
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:ground cable in cockpit locker








Joel's memory serves well. I am on my Super Maramu and that is exactly the
wire and how it is connected.

Miles Bidwell on LADYBUG, SM 216


Re: ground cable in cockpit locker

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Joel's memory serves well. I am on my Super Maramu and that is exactly the
wire and how it is connected.



Miles Bidwell on LADYBUG, SM 216


Re: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker

eric freedman
 

My ground wire is connected to the fuel filler under the hose clamp.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of arvaloet
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker








There is a ground cable loose in the locker-trunk of cockpit starbord of
mizzen mast. The only metal parts there are the fuel cover and the cockpit
water hose. But I can´t find where it should be attached to.

Anybody have any suggestions.

Fernando
Ingot SM 146





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Re: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker

amelforme
 

Hello Fernando, Probably the connection to the "ground"/ stray current system for the
diesel tank filler neck. It has been many years since I have owned a Super Maramu but from
memory (oh dear.) The wire is green, the end is stripped to expose the copper wire which
is the clamped to the metal part of the filler neck with a stainless steel hose clamp. As
I am away from the seashore for a few days, can someone who is aboard their Super Maramu
check this out?
If not, I'll have a look at my 54, which has the same basic system, and then report back
to you.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


ground cable in cockpit locker

arvaloet <arvaloet@...>
 

There is a ground cable loose in the locker-trunk of cockpit starbord of mizzen mast. The only metal parts there are the fuel cover and the cockpit water hose. But I can´t find where it should be attached to.

Anybody have any suggestions.

Fernando
Ingot SM 146


Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Dr. Seidel,

Strong Track is fine product and we've sold many of their systems. Just for clarification their hardware is offered in naval brass or stainless rather than bronze. If anyone has questions about Strong Track feel free to email me or contact us through our website - www.islandplanetsails.com

We would have installed Strong Track on our Maramu however the previous owner installed a Harken BattCar system so we're sticking with that. I installed Strong Track on our previous boat though.

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, Dr. Seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com> wrote:

From: Dr. Seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 6:12 PM

















I have very thin rods constituting my vertical battens. The basic problem with these in a sm349 mast is that the slot for the sail, designed to not have these battens is NARROW. If you cut both sides of the slot slightly larger, it would make the whole problem of a bigger roach held with vertical battens easy. The other alternative would be to slide a Strong Track up the groove and get a full sized main with slab reefing. The track is poly ethylene with bronze slides. When the halyard is let go, the sail fall like a rock. The backstay for the main sail would need to be further aft because this is the limiting factor in light air. The sail will hag up on the backstay.

UK in Ft. Lauderdale can make a larger main with a bigger leach or roach, and put in these thin battens, but you must make them reinforce the batten pockets better. Mine all ripped the top ends going off shore from Lauderdale to Wilmington N.C..

Murray Seidel sm349 919-470-1225

----- Original Message -----

From: Craig & Katherine

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:17 AM

Subject: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons



Just to balance this thread, I recently helped Kent Robertson sail "Kristy", his new-to-him SM#243, from Galveston to Key West. (You may recall his postings back in March & April). He had just installed new sails with vertical battens in the main.



Kent may want to weigh in here, too, but IMHO, the vertical battens were great. They furled flawlessly in heavy and light air and the sail was always beautifully shaped. No way to know definitively about added speed, but to an old racing skipper's eye they were the cat's meow.



Certainly the point about potential furling problems is prefectly valid and a very conservative approach may argue against them - a few tenths of a knot, perhaps, vs. a higher comfort level, but, hey, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla - take your pick!



Cheers,

Craig Briggs - Santorin #68 "Sangaris" in Siracusa, Sicily
































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Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons

Dr. Seidel <mseidel@...>
 

I have very thin rods constituting my vertical battens. The basic problem with these in a sm349 mast is that the slot for the sail, designed to not have these battens is NARROW. If you cut both sides of the slot slightly larger, it would make the whole problem of a bigger roach held with vertical battens easy. The other alternative would be to slide a Strong Track up the groove and get a full sized main with slab reefing. The track is poly ethylene with bronze slides. When the halyard is let go, the sail fall like a rock. The backstay for the main sail would need to be further aft because this is the limiting factor in light air. The sail will hag up on the backstay.
UK in Ft. Lauderdale can make a larger main with a bigger leach or roach, and put in these thin battens, but you must make them reinforce the batten pockets better. Mine all ripped the top ends going off shore from Lauderdale to Wilmington N.C..
Murray Seidel sm349 919-470-1225

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig & Katherine
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons





Just to balance this thread, I recently helped Kent Robertson sail "Kristy", his new-to-him SM#243, from Galveston to Key West. (You may recall his postings back in March & April). He had just installed new sails with vertical battens in the main.

Kent may want to weigh in here, too, but IMHO, the vertical battens were great. They furled flawlessly in heavy and light air and the sail was always beautifully shaped. No way to know definitively about added speed, but to an old racing skipper's eye they were the cat's meow.

Certainly the point about potential furling problems is prefectly valid and a very conservative approach may argue against them - a few tenths of a knot, perhaps, vs. a higher comfort level, but, hey, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla - take your pick!

Cheers,
Craig Briggs - Santorin #68 "Sangaris" in Siracusa, Sicily


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

amelforme
 

Regarding lightning protection on Amel boats. There isn't any . Not on any
boat ever built by Amel. There are several very good and well considered
reasons for this so change it at your own peril. Be very careful about
modifying any of the grounding systems or the stray current/sacrificial
connection to the zincs. Over the years I have had many, many discussions
with Jacques Carteau as he educated me as to why Amel does several of the
things that at first blush seem not to be correct. His logic is generally
correct and it is usually best to leave things as God, Captain Amel, and
Jacques Carteau intended...
Even though the Captain is gone and Mr. Carteau is retired, most of the
things they conceived are still carried over in the Amel 54 and in the
projects being considered for the future.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

I believe the lighting leads are located on the copper bilge strap. Previous emails have indicated that this strap rots away over time and has to be replaced. We just did it with the info posted on this sight previousley with the larger diameter strap.

Paul LaFrance
S/V Nomad SM 362




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: jlmertz@free.fr
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:47:30 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] lightning protection







Good question !!
but difficult O:-) (very)

Be carful, I have read much stupidities in French nautical revues

JLM
SM316
----------------------------------------------------------
Halidun Karagoz a crit :


hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on
an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike
other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz

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