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Disabled guest

karkauai
 

Hi, again gang,
Different kind of problem this time. I have a 90 year old uncle who had polio as a kid, did pretty well for most of his life despite some weakness in his legs, and has deteriorated a lot over the last 10+ years due to post polio syndrome. His mind is very sharp. He is an absolute NUT about boats and the water and has gushed ever since he found out about my new SM. My aunt tells me he's more animated and excited than she's seen him in a long time.

I want to take him for a sail in the Chesapeake this Summer for at least a day, hopefully more. His son is willing to come along to help, but isn't a sailor. I'm hoping someone else has tackled the problem of getting on and off the boat, and up and down the companionway, and over bulkheads to get to the head and stateroom. He lives in WA state, so I haven't observed him myself, but it sounds like he's able to get onto and off a motorized "scooter" type wheelchair, but not able to walk more than a few steps.

I feel like I can get him on and off the dock using a halyard and bosun's chair, and maybe up and down the companionway using the extra halyard on the mizzen. Getting around in the boat may be an even bigger problem with the cabin sole moving all the time and not much room for one of us to be at his side. I'm sending pics of the boat and have encouraged him to talk to his rehab doc and/or therapist for some evaluation and maybe a mockup "boat" for him to see how he does.

Does anyone have any experience with disabled people aboard? Are there any sailing programs for disabled folks like there are for snow skiing and many other activities? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Kent
"Kristy" SM243


First Post Sharki leak

marksharki
 

I have been reading and learning from the people on this list for a while now. Thanks guys! My wife and I recently bought a Sharki. The more we learn about and sail our baby Amel the more we love her.
We just got back from 3 weeks aboard her. During that time we experienced very heavy rains. The only leak we ever saw was coming from the inside of a vertical conduit of wires from the main mast. (spreader lights, masthead tricolor etc) The leak drains into the shower/head bilge so it is no real problem. The drains at the base of the mast seem open on deck so I do not believe the mast is filling with water. Is this leak into the shower sump normal? Or, how do I fix this?
Thanks,
Mark and Joanna Hanna
Amel Sharki sv: Marguerite


Looking for crew

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

I am looking for a crew person to help me sail my Amel Super Maramu, LADYBUG, from Irvington, VA. to Newport. Depending on weather, I would like to leave VA around the 26th May. I expect that the trip will take 3 days or less if we have decent wind.
The boat is well found and has made three Atlantic crossings.
Please contact Miles Bidwell, mbidwell@attglobal.net

SM 216, LADYBUG


[Amel] Re: Verical Battens, Volvo RPMs, and Watermaker hoses

karkauai
 

Thanks, Vito,
I've made a list of the things all of you have suggested as possible causes of my Volvo problem to give to the Volvo rep who is coming to check Kristy's power plant in Charleston, SC in a couple of days. If I get an answer, I'll let you all know. I'm such a dunce when it comes to working on engines of any kind I'm going to watch a few times before I start taking things apart. Guess I'll look into taking a course on deisel maintenance and repair.

Regarding the vertical battens, I can only say that so far furling in 20+ kt winds required only heading up a little and easing the main a little. They roll right in without a hitch. Mine are flat battens about 1 1/4 inch wide and maybe 3/16 inch thick. Another sailor told me his were round rod-shaped battens and that they were much more persnickity about having just the right angle and tension to enter the mast.

I'm making water!!!! After climbing in and out of the cockpit locker and taking the hoses on and off several times after Eric Meury and I accidentally pulled some of the low pressure hoses off the back of the control box before we figured out we could access it from the locker, the membranes appear to be in good shape and it makes the 60 l/h it's supposed to. The watermaker dunce has actually fixed something! (-: I found a hydrolics supply place here in Charleston (Charleston Rubber and Gasket www.chasragco.com) who made two new hoses for me from food grade tubing with stainless outer cover, stainless fittings ( 3/8" JIC fittings), and plastic covers for total of $71 US. The old tubing was deteriorated to the point that the original fittings just wouldn't bite into the outer covers any more. The company in New Jersey who is recommended by Dessalator offered to send me two new hoses, not stainless, same old fittings, for $200 each.

Thanks again for all your advice and encouragement.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243


Re: Small cracks in helm spokes

karkauai
 

Interesting that you posted this now. I just noticed similar cracks in my helm wheel yesterday. While I haven't looked closer yet, I have to believe there is a sturdy steel wheel underneath the plastic Amel cover. I look forward to hearing what others say about this.
Kent
"Kristy" SM 243


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

David,
Thanks for the link. I didn't think that article ever got published in the US. We use CSF for much of our production, especially high tech sails.

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, David Mackintosh <dlm48@aol.com> wrote:

From: David Mackintosh <dlm48@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:29 AM

















tis China Sail Factory



http://www.proboat- digital.com/ proboat/20071011 /?pg=159



enjoy



David



2009/5/19 Charmed II <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com>



I'd like to have that copy...
Thx, Hajé
From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those
sailmakers.
Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast
advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It' s a
far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge,
Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on
occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot
daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are
several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat
sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a
supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses
Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It
is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.
The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and
shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put
out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I
mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.
Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China.
They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy
anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no
recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a
credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money
and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a
disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to
contest the chrage and get his money refunded.
--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com<amel.sharki. charmedii% 40gmail.com> >
wrote:
From: etske <amel.sharki. charmedii@ gmail.com<amel.sharki. charmedii% 40gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com <amelyachtowners% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM
Dear Dave,
Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my
english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat
without loosing their shape.
But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.
First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich
is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per
annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))
Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I
wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for
average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII
is flatter and better upwind.
Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well
known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The
runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year
old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he
could use sails more than a season.
Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them)
;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.
And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

David Mackintosh <dlm48@...>
 

tis China Sail Factory

http://www.proboat-digital.com/proboat/20071011/?pg=159

enjoy

David

2009/5/19 Charmed II <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>



I'd like to have that copy...

Thx, Hajé

From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those
sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast
advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a
far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge,
Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on
occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot
daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are
several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat
sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a
supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses
Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It
is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and
shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put
out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I
mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China.
They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy
anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no
recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a
credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money
and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a
disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to
contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com<amel.sharki.charmedii%40gmail.com>>
wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com<amel.sharki.charmedii%40gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

Dear Dave,

Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my
english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat
without loosing their shape.

But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.

First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich
is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per
annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))

Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I
wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for
average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII
is flatter and better upwind.

Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well
known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The
runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year
old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he
could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them)
;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.

And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Vertical Battens

Bob Fritz
 

My experience with verical battens in the Amel 54 mainsail does not mirror the negative comments. In over 10,000 miles of ocean sailing and winds of 0 to 60+ knots, I have had no trouble reefing the sail. I have never had to go head to wind to reef, and I have never had the battens jam in the mast. I found little difference between the SM with no battens and the 54 with vertical battens with respect to ease of mainsail handling.

Bob


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Hajé Weisfelt
 

I'd like to have that copy...

Thx, Hajé


From: Dave Benjamin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104





The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge, Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though. I've used Teijin cloth on occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot daysailer that is used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China. They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com> wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

Dear Dave,

Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat without loosing their shape.

But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.

First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))

Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII is flatter and better upwind.

Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them) ;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.

And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Hard dodger/soft top Mountings

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi fellow owners of SM boats.  During our recent Atlantic crossing we noticed a leak coming from the edge of the cockpit soft top mountings.  On inspection we found the aluminum track that the soft dodger mounts in had pulled away on both port and startboard sides.  On closer inspection we found that the aluminum crews had been eaten by the salt water.  To correct the problem we drill out the old screw holes and put 10/32 screws with nylock nuts and flat washers on both sides.  Yes, we did drill through the fiberglass hard dodger.  Given the loads on the soft dodger we feel that this is the best long term solution.  Oh, yes we did use the Boeing T spray to reduce the contact between the aluminum and SS screws.
Good luck with your dodger.
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209





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[Amel] Re: Verical Batons

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.




























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Small cracks in helm spokes

briantrautman@ymail.com <briant@...>
 

Hello,

We recently observed two small cracks branching out from the base of one of the spokes of our helm wheel. The cracks are about 1.5 inches along the back of the hub that attaches to the steering mechanism (not the side with the signed Henri Amel plaque)

I haven't determined if these are cosmetic only or part of the load bearing structure of the helm. I was wondering if anyone had seen this on their SM, and if so what did you do to fix it?

Thank you!
Brian Trautman
Delos, SM 2000 #303
Seattle, WA


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

The sailmakers you mention have their sails built in China but they use
another loft, one that I am quite familiar with. In fact Nigel Calder
wrote an in depth article about the loft for a British periodical. I'd
be happy to send a copy to anyone interested. The article even names those sailmakers.

Teijin is not well regarded by most sailmakers. Lee Sails Northeast advertises on their website that they use Challenge and Bainbridge.It's a far cry from the higher end cloth from Dimension Polyant, Bainbridge, Challenge, and Contender. It is cheap though.  I've used Teijin cloth on occasion for some small boat projects like a set of sails for a 13 foot daysailer that is  used by children for daysailing on a lake. There are several lofts using Teijin produced cloth for small boat and Hobie Cat sails. It allows them to keep the costs way down. For instance there is a supplier here in the US that sells Laser sails for about $170 USD that uses Teijin. Another loft sells Hobie Cat sails starting as low as $400 or so. It is an appropriate cloth when cost is the primary consideration.

The amount you paid for your sails is less than the cost of cloth and shipping finished sails from Asia to Europe or North America. If Teijin put out a good quality cloth that was comparable with the manufacturers I mentioned, reptuable sailmakers would be using it in quantity.

Caution is in order for anyone ordering direct from Lee Sails in China. They require payment by wire transfer or bank check. You should never buy anything like a sail unless you can use a credit card as there is no recourse in the event of problems. You can contest a charge made with a credit card successfully. I had a dock neighbor who tried to save some money and ordered a sail from a loft quite some distance away. The sail was a disaster and when the sailmaker failed to address the issue he was able to contest the chrage and get his money refunded.

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com> wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:57 PM

















Dear Dave,



Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat without loosing their shape.



But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.



First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))



Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII is flatter and better upwind.



Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he could use sails more than a season.

Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them) ;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.



And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...




























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons

karkauai
 

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.











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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Lee Sails for Sharki 104

Hajé Weisfelt
 

Dear Dave,

Your misinterpretating my words (maybe because of the quality of my english). I did not say the are flat without shape I said they are flat without loosing their shape.

But even when you misunderstood your comments are wrong.

First, the sails are made from 1st quality dracron It comes from Tejin wich is Du pont (the founder of dracron)(since they use 250000 sq metres per annum I don't think there's enough B quality ;-))

Second, I tried to explain that I found it very good they understood I wanted a different kind of sail GI GII in character. The GI is great for average cruising but for (dutch average 4 a 5 SW) sportive sailing the GII is flatter and better upwind.

Before I ordered I did some research and in Holland they are pretty well known (the produce for Quantum, Elvstrom and UK sails to name a few. The runner up of the IJspegelcup (biggest winter matches in Holland) had 3 year old Leesails. When I spoke with him he told me this was the first time he could use sails more than a season.
Without getting into a discussion about this company (I don't own them) ;-)). In files I put an article about Lee Sails.

And in Pictures you cen see us sailing with the new sails...


Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.
John "Moon Dog" SM 248


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons







Jim,

As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.

Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM

Hello All

We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Jim DeSalvo

SV Liebling





















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Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

















Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.




























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Re: Verical Batons

karkauai
 

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.


Re: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104

Dave_Benjamin
 

You mention the sails are flat and have little shape. That's a trademark of certain lofts that don't have the ability to produce for the industry and sell direct. Amel owners that want sails that will perform well in a variety of conditions are better served by dealing with a real sailmaker.

You should also know that many of these sails are made with second quality or other manufacturer rejected cloth. That's why they can sell them so cheaply. In many cases I see sails like these being sold for less than what it cost just to buy top quality material.

The bitterness of poor quality outlasts the sweetness of a cheap price.

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com> wrote:

From: etske <amel.sharki.charmedii@gmail.com>
Subject: [Amel] New Sails for Sharki 104
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 2:59 AM

















Dear all,



Since our sails were still the original ones from 1984 we decided to go for new ones. After lots of offers we choose Leesails in Hong Kong. They guaranteed us that they made sails for a Sharki before. We had discussions about several options I wanted (all headsails with foamstrip and UV strip, top batten full, original reefing system with steel wire reinforcing, etc.)

They all did this and for an amazing price. Mizzen, Main, Storm Jib, Furling Jib, Furling Genoa II, Furling Genoa I, alltogether for 6020 US (incl. P&P)!!!!



So you try to find the hook. Sails arrived before the agreed date and all in good order. All sails were tested in the past two weeks and I can't find anything that's not 100% as agreed upon. Main and Mizzen are both flat without loosing there shape, GI is huge and has the rounding where it should be. GII is flat as an high aspect (she does 30 upwind now), Jib we used in a full gale with main down and mizzen up. After three hours with forces up to 10 bft all was perfect OK.



I would advice if asked to go there if you need new sails.



Cheers and fair winds, Hajé




























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Re: [Amel] Anyone with a SHARKI in the UK?

Hajé Weisfelt
 

Not in UK but when in Holland your always welcom aboard.

Cheers, Hajé (Sharki #104)


From: GrahamJohnston42
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Anyone with a SHARKI in the UK?





We looking for a SHarki but have not been on board one for a couple of years and would like to talk to any owners in the UK and if possible see aboard again to refreshh our memories before we start to travel across the EU.

Regards
Graham





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