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Re: Heaters

José Gabriel Venegas <jgvenegas@...>
 

Merci beaucoup monsieru Mertz.

1) I agree that the thermostat is probably not the culprate and am planning to check the
heating element and the cables leading to it.

2) Good point about the bi-metal temp regulator. I will see if I can get an "expensive"
one in the USA.

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM278

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "MERTZ" <jlmertz@...> wrote:

1
If the main break had tripped it is NOT a problem with the thermostat,
look before changing it the heating resistance or if you have an
insulation pb.


2
It had the same problem on the 3 heaters,
After analyzing the pb I found that the bi-metal that make the
temperature regulation is too small,
so I decide no to replace this with the same part (1€) but
I put a BIG bi-metal regulator (very expensive 5€..)

After more than 1 year (1,5 winter) no problem

Her you can have some photos :

* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P3.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P2.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P1.JPG
* nota : user=forum AND password=amel

JLMERTZ
COTTONBAY
"tout est possible dans un monde infini

"--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, José Gabriel Venegas
<jgvenegas@> wrote:

I am the new owner of SM 278 and preparing her for a maden cruise
from Savannah Ga to
the Bahamas this December returning to Charleston at the end of
January.

Last week I noted to problems with two heaters.

1) When I turned the water heater the main 220 circuit breaker tripped.
I imagine the heating element or the thermostat went bad and are in
short circuit.

2) The heating element of the air conditioning/heater on the central
cabine is not working.
The airconditioning unit and the fan work fine but the heater does
not heat.

Since winter is rapidly upon us, I need take care of these problems
because it can get pretty
cold in Savannah, particularly at night.

Any body knows of a distributor in the US were I can get spares for
both heaters.

Looking forward to seeing you out there

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM 278


Re: Heaters

MERTZ <jlmertz@...>
 

1
If the main break had tripped it is NOT a problem with the thermostat,
look before changing it the heating resistance or if you have an
insulation pb.


2
It had the same problem on the 3 heaters,
After analyzing the pb I found that the bi-metal that make the
temperature regulation is too small,
so I decide no to replace this with the same part (1€) but
I put a BIG bi-metal regulator (very expensive 5€..)

After more than 1 year (1,5 winter) no problem

Her you can have some photos :

* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P3.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P2.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P1.JPG
* nota : user=forum AND password=amel

JLMERTZ
COTTONBAY
"tout est possible dans un monde infini

"--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, José Gabriel Venegas
<jgvenegas@...> wrote:

I am the new owner of SM 278 and preparing her for a maden cruise
from Savannah Ga to
the Bahamas this December returning to Charleston at the end of
January.

Last week I noted to problems with two heaters.

1) When I turned the water heater the main 220 circuit breaker tripped.
I imagine the heating element or the thermostat went bad and are in
short circuit.

2) The heating element of the air conditioning/heater on the central
cabine is not working.
The airconditioning unit and the fan work fine but the heater does
not heat.

Since winter is rapidly upon us, I need take care of these problems
because it can get pretty
cold in Savannah, particularly at night.

Any body knows of a distributor in the US were I can get spares for
both heaters.

Looking forward to seeing you out there

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM 278


Hauling by the chain plates

Craig Briggs
 

I've always been somewhat annoyed by yards leaving the area under the
lifting straps unwashed and then, on launching, putting the straps on my
fresh bottom paint (yes, sometimes they use plastic to prevent smooshing
the paint, with more of less success.) So when we hauled a few weeks
ago in Siracusa, I had the yard use the factory lifting rings.

I posted a picture where you can see the arrangement. The yard used
8000kg synthetic lifting cables (an item I'd not seen before) doubled on
each of the four attachment points, fastened with appropriate shackles.
The cables were attached to a 4M by 4M "X" shaped separation frame and
all was lifted by a 30T crane. (One could certainly use a travel lift
instead of a crane - I did have to remove the backstay and boom lift.)

All went perfectly well. The boat did take a very slight bow down
attitude (I did have about 400#'s of stuff stored forward that's not
normally there - I'll move it aft when we relaunch in the spring and see
if it makes a difference.)

Craig & Katherine - Santorin #68 "SANGARIS", on the hard in Siracusa
while we winter in FL.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water in Amel Drive

ronnie_shapiro <ronnie_shapiro@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Steele"
<edmundsteele@...> wrote:

This is a low speed bearing and I was assured by Amel that there
was little chance of damage when it happened to me on route between
Galapagos and Marquesas. Had the seal replaced several thousand miles
later in Raiatea and no visible damage. You should expect to replace
this seal every couple of years when you haulout.
Fair Winds,
Ed Steele
DoodleBug SM#331



Hi Ed,
Nice to hear from you & thanks for confirming the advice I had from
Amel on the phone this morning, it sure is reassuring.

Just to remind you, we have met before, we even visited you on
Doodlebug in Limassol Marina in the Autumn of 2007. We arrived in
Limassol on our old boat Carmelit from Herzlia. That was just a
couple of months before we took delivery of our Amel in Singapore
last year.
We have implemented some of the house-keeping tips you gave us when
we met and all is working well.

Each time we replace the aircon and shower drain filters we think
well of you...
Hope things are good with you too.

Regards,

Ronnie


Re: Chain Counter Sensor

edmund_steele
 

Ian,
I tried to drive the sensor out with a ball point pen plastic body as a "drift" and a large rubber mallet. I beat the shit out of the thing and it wouldn't budge. In the course of beating on it with the mallet, the chain counter started working again - go figure! I ordered a spare sensor from Amel (horrendously expensive) because the next time I beat on it, I will be using a steel drift and don't expect the sensor to survive this treatment. Friction fitting? Sealer? More like epoxy on mine!
Ed
DoodleBug SM#331


Furler Rivets

Craig Briggs
 

David's point of using aluminum rivets to avoid corrosion with the
aluminum extrusion is certainly sensible.

Another factor arguing for aluminum is that Amel may well have
engineered the assembly so that the rivets will shear before something
else breaks. (When, for example, one forgets to remove the ballooner
halyard before furling, as I've done a couple of times. The anti-roll
bars bent right over allowing the furler to rotate and come up tight on
the halyard and then the rivets sheared - much like a shear pin on an
outboard propellor.)

If that was part of the design, then SS set screws may be too strong.

Craig - Santorin #68 on the hard in Siracusa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Counter Sensor

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Ian, before you replace the counter check the distance between the chain and the tip of the sensor. it should be about 1/2" 12 mm. Set the new one the same. to get out the old one; take off the tail section of the windlass, not the wire colors, the old sensor is held in the housing by friction and perhaps some sealer/glue, take an ice pic and pry it out don't be rough with it as you'll put the housing off the case. It is not a hard job.
best of luck.
Richard on SM 209

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Counter Sensor
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 6:17 PM
I have bought a replacement chain counter sensor from Pochon
for my Super Maramu. It is the orange cylindrical type that
fits into a black round housing on the port side of the
Lofrans Tigres windlass. Olivier Beaute tells me that it is
easy to replace as the orange insert simply pushes out of
the back housing. However how this is achieved is not
immediately obvious. Can this be done by leaving the housing
in place and removing the rope side of the windlass? Does
anything have to be undone first and how do you actually
push the sensor out?

Any tips would be appreciated. I hope that the new sensor
cures the long standing problem!

Ian Shepherd SM 414 'Crusader'



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water in Amel Drive

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Ed. You will also find that if you have the boat in the Carib or anyplace that grows a lot of hard marine things like coral those growths will eat the seals. We have been told that if we put lanolin on the shaft and prop we get no grownth. That seems to be working for now in the Med.
good luck
Richard and Joan on Corsica SM 209

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Ed Steele <edmundsteele@earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Ed Steele <edmundsteele@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water in Amel Drive
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 5:05 AM
This is a low speed bearing and I was assured by Amel that
there was little chance of damage when it happened to me on
route between Galapagos and Marquesas. Had the seal replaced
several thousand miles later in Raiatea and no visible
damage. You should expect to replace this seal every couple
of years when you haulout.
Fair Winds,
Ed Steele
DoodleBug SM#331


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heaters

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

*1* If the main break had tripped it is NOT a problem with the thermostat,
look before changing it the heating resistance or if you have an
insulation pb.


*2* It had the same problem on the 3 heaters,
After analyzing the pb I found that the bi-metal that make the
temperature regulation is too small,
so I decide _no to_ replace this with the same part (1EUR) but
I put a BIG bi-metal regulator (very expensive 5EUR..)

After more than 1 year (1,5 winter) no problem

Her you can have some photos :

* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P3.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P2.JPG
* http://cottonbay.free.fr/forumamel/photos/P1.JPG
* nota : user=forum AND password=amel

JLMERTZ
COTTONBAY
"tout est possible dans un monde infini"
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José Gabriel Venegas a écrit :

I am the new owner of SM 278 and preparing her for a maden cruise from
Savannah Ga to
the Bahamas this December returning to Charleston at the end of January.

Last week I noted to problems with two heaters.

1) When I turned the water heater the main 220 circuit breaker tripped.
I imagine the heating element or the thermostat went bad and are in
short circuit.

2) The heating element of the air conditioning/heater on the central
cabine is not working.
The airconditioning unit and the fan work fine but the heater does not
heat.

Since winter is rapidly upon us, I need take care of these problems
because it can get pretty
cold in Savannah, particularly at night.

Any body knows of a distributor in the US were I can get spares for
both heaters.

Looking forward to seeing you out there

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM 278



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water in Amel Drive

edmund_steele
 

This is a low speed bearing and I was assured by Amel that there was little chance of damage when it happened to me on route between Galapagos and Marquesas. Had the seal replaced several thousand miles later in Raiatea and no visible damage. You should expect to replace this seal every couple of years when you haulout.
Fair Winds,
Ed Steele
DoodleBug SM#331


Rép. : [Amel Yacht Owners] ventilation

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Dorades are not usefull, even in the Caribean where I am based.
 
With a  number of fans and opened hatches, it is confortable inside.
 
A bimini top over the cockpit is mandatory for confort.
 
The disadvantage of the hatches is that, they must be  closed when it rains. I have explored automatic closing systems, but I have not found the perfect system. If I do not have guests, the main salon and forward cabin hatches are closed at night or if there is no one aboard.
 
Many friends have secured canvas covers which allows them to keep opened the forward and the rear cabin hatches when anchoring or at the dock. I intend to have  them one day.
 
A added hatch over the rear cabin is helpfull, but it only alliviates the use of the fan and clutters the deck. The Hella fans are not noisy, but without the fan you can hear all the noises...
 
The only problem is the color of the decks which attracts and holds heat; as many older Amel owners in these waters, I  plan to change the color of my deck, to attract and hold less heat and make it possible to walk on same without shoes during the day.
 
Of course I do not feel the heat when I operate my air conditioning unit, but that is another issue.
 
Serge, SV Opera,  Mango # 51

--- En date de : Ven, 14.11.08, c_fruendt <c_fruendt@yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: c_fruendt <c_fruendt@yah  oo.com>
Objet: [Amel Yacht Owners] ventilation
À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: vendredi 14 Novembre 2008, 2 h 53






Hi from germany, i just comming back from the med and had the chance to
visit and check several Maramus and SM, santortin and even the new 54.
You can find one or two them in every marina. What nobody could really
clarify is how good is the ventilation under tropical condition,
ofcourse hatches are there opening in to the front but no dorade vents.

How does it work in the tropics with rain showers and at sea. Normally
i assume that several dorade vents are necessary to get some air into
the boat. Would appreciate some first hand experiences.

I will go for a Maramu or Santorin in future.

Best regards
















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Water in Amel Drive

ronnie_shapiro <ronnie_shapiro@...>
 

Our boat, SHAPIRIT, SM2000 #325 has apparently broken the prop-shaft
seal and sea-water has entered the drive box, emulsifying with the gear
oil.
The boat is between Singapore and Phuket, and may need up to 50 more
engine hrs to reach a convenient haul-out facility, to rectify the
situation.
Has anyone had such experience and/or the ability to estimate the
amount of damage, if any, that may be caused ??


ventilation

c_fruendt
 

Hi from germany, i just comming back from the med and had the chance to
visit and check several Maramus and SM, santortin and even the new 54.
You can find one or two them in every marina. What nobody could really
clarify is how good is the ventilation under tropical condition,
ofcourse hatches are there opening in to the front but no dorade vents.

How does it work in the tropics with rain showers and at sea. Normally
i assume that several dorade vents are necessary to get some air into
the boat. Would appreciate some first hand experiences.

I will go for a Maramu or Santorin in future.

Best regards


Chain Counter Sensor

Ian Shepherd
 

I have bought a replacement chain counter sensor from Pochon for my Super Maramu. It is the orange cylindrical type that fits into a black round housing on the port side of the Lofrans Tigres windlass. Olivier Beaute tells me that it is easy to replace as the orange insert simply pushes out of the back housing. However how this is achieved is not immediately obvious. Can this be done by leaving the housing in place and removing the rope side of the windlass? Does anything have to be undone first and how do you actually push the sensor out?

Any tips would be appreciated. I hope that the new sensor cures the long standing problem!

Ian Shepherd SM 414 'Crusader'



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Re: Heaters

José Gabriel Venegas <jgvenegas@...>
 

I found the dealer for Quick in the USA

QUICK USA LLC
21061 Glen Burnie, Maryland
509, McCormick Drive

Contacts:
PHILLIP SCOTT RHUDY

Tel. +1.410.768.5991
Fax +1.410.768.5995
Toll-free 877.768.5991

and they have all the parts I need.

My only problem is that I will be away from my boat until december and have no way to
know the type of heating element in the boat.

Can anybody tell me whether the element in SM2000 is a 1200 W or 500W.

I still don't know the dealer for the air heater.


Jose Gabriel

IPANEMA SM 278

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, José Gabriel Venegas <jgvenegas@...> wrote:

I am the new owner of SM 278 and preparing her for a maden cruise from Savannah Ga
to
the Bahamas this December returning to Charleston at the end of January.

Last week I noted problems with two of the heaters.

1) When I turned the water heater the main 220 circuit breaker tripped.
I imagine the heating element or the thermostat went bad and are in short circuit.

2) The heating element of the air conditioning/heater on the central cabine is not
working.
The airconditioning unit and the fan work fine but the heater does not heat.

Since winter is rapidly upon us, I need take care of these problems because it can get
pretty
cold in Savannah, particularly at night.

Any body knows of a distributor in the US were I can get spares for both heaters.

Looking forward to seeing you out there

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM 278


Re: Proper Pronunciation?

rossirossix4
 

What would that be phonetically?
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Battaglini Ornella Barbara"
<ornella.battaglini@...> wrote:

Bob
the correct frech pronunciation of Santorin is Santorèn
Ornella
Santorin 122 Earendil
----- Original Message -----
From: rossirossix4
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:31 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Proper Pronunciation?


Thanks Craig,

How about the pronunciation of Santorin?

Bob Santorin #86 "Brittany de la Mer"

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Craig & Katherine"
<sangaris@> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> That would be "Ah-mel" with the "a" pronounced in the European
fashion,
> as in "father"; not the hard American "Ay-mel" (with a hard "a"
as
> in "say"). And the emphasis should be equal of each syllable,
(which,
> to the American ear, sounds like the last syllable is being
stressed.)
>
> Regardless of how you say it, it's still superb!
>
> Cheers,
> Craig - Santorin #68 "Sangaris"
>






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Heaters

José Gabriel Venegas <jgvenegas@...>
 

I am the new owner of SM 278 and preparing her for a maden cruise from Savannah Ga to
the Bahamas this December returning to Charleston at the end of January.

Last week I noted to problems with two heaters.

1) When I turned the water heater the main 220 circuit breaker tripped.
I imagine the heating element or the thermostat went bad and are in short circuit.

2) The heating element of the air conditioning/heater on the central cabine is not working.
The airconditioning unit and the fan work fine but the heater does not heat.

Since winter is rapidly upon us, I need take care of these problems because it can get pretty
cold in Savannah, particularly at night.

Any body knows of a distributor in the US were I can get spares for both heaters.

Looking forward to seeing you out there

Jose Gabriel
IPANEMA SM 278


Re: Euros 1971

airbus4russ <russ.roberts.va@...>
 

Please share your comments about purchasing and operating an older
Euros. In your estimation is this vessel type, when properly equipt,
suitable for long ocean crossings?

Anything you can share about the Euros type is appreciated.

Thanks,
Russ


Re: Maramu main traveller

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

Dave
Can I ask are you talking about the mainsheet traveller?If so our
original ia adjusted with locking stops either side of the car and
does not have control lines

Deb
Orion1 Maramu #42




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin"
<dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

Greetings,

On our Maramu (#29) the previous owner retrofitted a Harken traveller
on top of the existing Goiot track. He reused some of the original
fittings to create standoffs of sorts but the arrangement is too weak
for offshore sailing. In fact one fitting failed due to poor welding.
So we have two choices. One is to properly retrofit the Harken and the
other is to go back to using the original track.

I am asking the Amel community for some assistance. If anyone could
take some pictures of an original Goiot traveller showing the car, end
fittings, and how the control lines are led that would be awesome.

Secondly if anyone has retrofitted a Harken big boat traveller I'd
like to hear how it was done and how well it's worked out operationally.


Maramu main traveller

Dave_Benjamin
 

Greetings,

On our Maramu (#29) the previous owner retrofitted a Harken traveller
on top of the existing Goiot track. He reused some of the original
fittings to create standoffs of sorts but the arrangement is too weak
for offshore sailing. In fact one fitting failed due to poor welding.
So we have two choices. One is to properly retrofit the Harken and the
other is to go back to using the original track.

I am asking the Amel community for some assistance. If anyone could
take some pictures of an original Goiot traveller showing the car, end
fittings, and how the control lines are led that would be awesome.

Secondly if anyone has retrofitted a Harken big boat traveller I'd
like to hear how it was done and how well it's worked out operationally.