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Re: [Amel] Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Gary, I had the same problem on my SM2000, no. 302, launched June 2000, and you will be pleased to hear that the cables were all separate. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen.

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: no_reply@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast

Hello All:

I am just back from getting Liahona recommissioned after hurricane storage ashore in Antigua. During refitting of the mast-head B & G Type 213 wind meter at the main mast-head I discovered that the aluminum threaded socket into which it threads, was cracked and I could not screw the wind instrument mast into it. I will post a photo of this failure mode in the photo's section.

The plug (B & G PN 178-0B-001, Plug, Bracket and 24 meter cable) can be replaced at a cost of approx. US$ 375.00 but has a 24 meter integral cable that must be chased down the mast. It appears that the cable comes to a junction box in the wire chase above the forward head hallway. My question to you knowledgeable members is this: are the cables in the mast tie wrapped together by Amel when the boat is manufactured, which will prevent pulling the new cable in using the old cable as a messenger line OR are all cables threaded separately? My hope is to use the old cable to pull the new cable. Any prior experience or info from Joel or the factory would be appreciated.

Best to all, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335



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[Amel] Re: Hydraulic Brake on Transmission

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Guys:

I searched back through my archives and see that it was Amel that sent me the picture
of the two types of prop shaft brakes. I have posted that picture with some of my
own annotations in the photo section in a folder entitled "Prop Shaft Brake Shoes"
The date on the photo was Sept 2007 so double check which one your's is and/or
take your own photo to forward to Amel. When I order from Amel I always try to
send a photo of the part I need as one picture is worth a thousand words, especially
when my French is so inadequate.

William Thomas is caretaking our boat but I appreciate the offer. Back in 1st week of
Feb. 2010.

Best of luck. Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...> wrote:


Gary
Thank you for your response. We will try to order from Amel before the Christmas break. We are also in Jolly Harbor on Dock C. Is there anything you need looked at on Liahona? When are you due back?

Paul Sue LaFrance


Hi Paul & Sue:



I purchased replacement pads from Amel for my SM2000 Hull # 335 last year for a reasonable price (except the shipping). As I recall there were two different styles and I provided them a photograph of mine for comparison purposes. Hope this helps.

Gary Silver s/v Liahona currently on the B dock in Jolly Harbor Antigua


Re: [Amel] Type of metal for retaining pin

karkauai
 

Thanks, Craig,
I dove on the prop and found a stainless shaft, nut, and large cotter pin.  I think I'm good, but kind of like the idea of the seizing wire.
 
Stuck in Barbados with cancelled connection to Charlotte, not sure when we'll get out but with Christmas fast approaching we'll have our plates full whenever we get back.
 
Happy Holidays to all,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--- On Mon, 12/14/09, sv Sangaris <sangaris@aol.com> wrote:


From: sv Sangaris <sangaris@aol.com>
Subject: [Amel] Type of metal for retaining pin
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:10 PM


 



This question was asked by Kent Robertson:
"I'll have to ask the yard what kind of pin they used (as a safety retainer for the prop nut). The shaft is SS, and the prop is bronze. What should the pin be made of?" .....

The only answer posted was this one:
"Kent, I would suggest that you use a Brass pin to hold the nut, or depending on the size a wire tie."

Kent, I'd strongly recommend you do not use Brass. Since the purpose is to be sure the nut doesn't fall off, you need to use either stainless or the plastic wire tie (I use stainless seizing wire.) Same reason one never uses brass in any thru-hull assembly - it is the least "noble" metal amoungst stainless, bronze and brass and will corrode away quickly, much like a sacrificial zinc (brass being copper and zinc, bronze being copper and tin), leaving you with just the single retaining nut that you were uncomfortable with in the first place.

The memory jogger I always use is "Brass - my ass!"

Cheers, Craig








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Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Serge,
also my Santorin has same propeller driven generator, wich works fine and is very useful.
Sorry for asking again: have you closer photos of your arch? Because, beside the wind gen, that I will not install untill in the Med, I think that for solar panels and dinghy and outboard lifting and maybe BBQ, it is very interesting.
Thanks
Attilio&Maria Santorin#84 Sisila




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Da: Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@yahoo.ca>
A: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Ven 18 dicembre 2009, 17:35:40
Oggetto: Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

 
Hi Attilio,
 
I agree with many of your comments.
 
1) Anything, even a flag, or a small GPS antenna which can cast a shadow on a solar panel, is very detrimental to the efficiency of a solar panel. In fact, any cell of a series not exposed to the sun while all the others are, becomes a resistor thus reducing the efficiency of the specific group of cells. Therefore, when used as the base for solar panels, the Portique or arch, cannot be used to support any device that may cast a shadow, and this includes a simple flagpole or a bulky antenna.
 
2) I have used the system of solar panels set on the side of the boat. It works fine only if the panels are fully exposed to the sun, without shawdows. This was the case for me on my other boat, at anchor in the Caribean trade winds, but this is not applicable in many other parts of the world.
 
3) As for wind generator, on my other boat, i installed a WindBugger, one of the few efficient and 'silent' wind generator (you can see it on the web site mentioned below0. The production of the WindBugger was, i was told, abandoned for reasons not related to its efficiency. This equipment was usefull in the Northern latitudes, but considering the efficiency of solar panels in my main area of sailing and the inconveniences of wind generator, i have opted to exclude this additional equipment on a suffiently complex boat. Furthermore, i avoid anchoring close to any vessel equipped with such generator since many are very noisy.
 
4) My Mango is equipped with a propeller driven alternator. Under sail, at 7kt, i enjoy a continuous 10 amp charge. This silent system is far more interesting than the wind generator. Sailing on choppy seas i had to stop the WindBugger because of the effect of mouvements on the bearings of a rotating propeller and the effect of the noise generated on the nerves of the crew. The propeller driven alternator does not have these inconveniences, and provides more than the energy required by the electric pilot directly connected to the rudder quadrant. 

Serge, Mango #51

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--- En date de : Ven, 18.12.09, Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@ yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@ yahoo.com>
Objet: Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: vendredi 18 Décembre 2009, 5 h 20

 

Hi Serge,
thanks for the precious infos, useful also for me because I am thinking to have a similar arrangement for a Santorin.
Do you have closer photos of the "portique" to be put in the photo section, or to be sento to my mail asiviero1@gmail. com?
I think that the portique is better than "boomerang" davits built by secteurblanc in La Rochelle, they cost 3500€ and they can be used only for the dinghy, not for the solar pannel. The advantage is that aesthetically they are less intrusive.
Anyhow, if one thinks to use the protique also for wind generator, this could make a shadow on solar panel, cutting their performance: for this reason, most people put solar panels on side handrails near the stern: this way panels can be folded downward during hard passages, and can be oriented properly when at anchor, out of any shadow. Further, wind gen is useful only with strong winds, i.e. northern climates, not the Med, and can be mounted on mizzen mast, under or over the radar antenna, avoiding shadow problems on panels.
Hope to have been useful for the theme.
Rgds
Maria&Attilio Santorin#84 "Sisila"

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Da: Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@ yahoo. ca>
A: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Inviato: Ven 18 dicembre 2009, 00:41:50
Oggetto: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

 
Hi Hayden,
 
If you look at the photo section of this group you will find amongst the first ones: Mango undersail +.
I posted same to show the use of the mizzen balooner, but you will also see at th rear a davit and solar panel base or arch which, in french, is refered to as a 'Portique'.
 
I did not build the portique, it is made out of 3 inch thick wall aluminium tubing, which makes the portique look very heavy. A 2 inch SS tubing portique would be less conspicuous. ..
However, it does the job. I only carry 220 watts of panel, but the Mango is 30cm smaller that the SM, at the widest, but as much as 60 cm smaller at the stern, so i have no doubt you could install 400 watts of panel on a SM. My present solar panels installation, in the Caribeans, fills most of my needs (two persons) :refrigerat ion, lighting (including anchor light), HF (including Pactor), VHF and entertainment radio, and a computer for navigation and communication (either Pactor or WiFi). At anchor, i will start the main engine or genset once a week or for special needs only i e: if i have guests, or for the dish washer or clothe washer or for the watermaker.
 
BTW, the portique is very useful at the dock (Med style) since it not only protect visitors as they arrive but also offers a good grip to less athletic visitors; there is a courtesy light under the panels, so as to facilitate night use of the electric davit or night access to the stern. You will not see on the photo that i have installed a BBQ at the stern, under the solar panels so that i am protected when using the BBQ, and i do not need a flashlight to cook at night. 
 
While in the Carabeans, i have often seen catamarans with huge portique or arch with zillion of solar panels under which a dingy is raised, i would hesitate installing more than 400 watts of panels without the advice of a naval architect on the consequence of having, under  force 7 or 8 winds,not only a dingy at the stern but also a very large fixed panel. I have had no major difficulties with my current installation with strong winds, however for transatlantic crossing or when very strong winds are expected, i set my dingy atop the rear cabin.
 
 Serge Tremblay, Mango #51
 
--- En date de : Jeu, 17.12.09, hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com>
Objet: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: jeudi 17 Décembre 2009, 15 h 41

 

Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53. It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden

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Re: [Amel] Re: Hydraulic Brake on Transmission

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Gary
Thank you for your response. We will try to order from Amel before the Christmas break. We are also in Jolly Harbor on Dock C. Is there anything you need looked at on Liahona? When are you due back?

Paul Sue LaFrance



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: no_reply@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:20:25 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Re: Hydraulic Brake on Transmission




























Hi Paul & Sue:



I purchased replacement pads from Amel for my SM2000 Hull # 335 last year for a reasonable price (except the shipping). As I recall there were two different styles and I provided them a photograph of mine for comparison purposes. Hope this helps.

Gary Silver s/v Liahona currently on the B dock in Jolly Harbor Antigua



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "nomadforpaul" <pflafrance@...> wrote:

Our pads appear to very worn on the Hydraulic Brake. Does anyone know where to obtain replacement pads and what the thickness should be for the new pads if we have to have a brake shop do it?
Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD SM 362
Currently in Antigua

















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Re: [Amel] Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast

amelforme
 

Hi Gary, I wouldn't bet your life on it but I seem to recall that in mast
cables are run separate from one another and can be removed individually. I
have replaced VHF and B&G cables before and they came out easily but I am
not sure that is the way things are on your Super Maramu. I will ask
Christian and Maud to comment on this but I think they start Christmas break
soon so I hope I catch them in time

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Gary, If you remove the cover plate on the starboard side of the mast you should find a number of messengers. one of these should do the trick. We cannot recall how to access them at the masthead.
Anne and John, SM2K319

----- Original Message -----
From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: [Amel] Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast



Hello All:

I am just back from getting Liahona recommissioned after hurricane storage ashore in Antigua. During refitting of the mast-head B & G Type 213 wind meter at the main mast-head I discovered that the aluminum threaded socket into which it threads, was cracked and I could not screw the wind instrument mast into it. I will post a photo of this failure mode in the photo's section.

The plug (B & G PN 178-0B-001, Plug, Bracket and 24 meter cable) can be replaced at a cost of approx. US$ 375.00 but has a 24 meter integral cable that must be chased down the mast. It appears that the cable comes to a junction box in the wire chase above the forward head hallway. My question to you knowledgeable members is this: are the cables in the mast tie wrapped together by Amel when the boat is manufactured, which will prevent pulling the new cable in using the old cable as a messenger line OR are all cables threaded separately? My hope is to use the old cable to pull the new cable. Any prior experience or info from Joel or the factory would be appreciated.

Best to all, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335


Electrical Cable Replacement in Main Mast

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello All:

I am just back from getting Liahona recommissioned after hurricane storage ashore in Antigua. During refitting of the mast-head B & G Type 213 wind meter at the main mast-head I discovered that the aluminum threaded socket into which it threads, was cracked and I could not screw the wind instrument mast into it. I will post a photo of this failure mode in the photo's section.

The plug (B & G PN 178-0B-001, Plug, Bracket and 24 meter cable) can be replaced at a cost of approx. US$ 375.00 but has a 24 meter integral cable that must be chased down the mast. It appears that the cable comes to a junction box in the wire chase above the forward head hallway. My question to you knowledgeable members is this: are the cables in the mast tie wrapped together by Amel when the boat is manufactured, which will prevent pulling the new cable in using the old cable as a messenger line OR are all cables threaded separately? My hope is to use the old cable to pull the new cable. Any prior experience or info from Joel or the factory would be appreciated.

Best to all, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335


Re: Hydraulic Brake on Transmission

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Paul & Sue:

I purchased replacement pads from Amel for my SM2000 Hull # 335 last year for a reasonable price (except the shipping). As I recall there were two different styles and I provided them a photograph of mine for comparison purposes. Hope this helps.
Gary Silver s/v Liahona currently on the B dock in Jolly Harbor Antigua

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "nomadforpaul" <pflafrance@...> wrote:

Our pads appear to very worn on the Hydraulic Brake. Does anyone know where to obtain replacement pads and what the thickness should be for the new pads if we have to have a brake shop do it?

Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD SM 362
Currently in Antigua


Hydraulic Brake on Transmission

nomadforpaul <pflafrance@...>
 

Our pads appear to very worn on the Hydraulic Brake. Does anyone know where to obtain replacement pads and what the thickness should be for the new pads if we have to have a brake shop do it?

Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD SM 362
Currently in Antigua


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hi Attilio,
 
I agree with many of your comments.
 
1) Anything, even a flag, or a small GPS antenna which can cast a shadow on a solar panel, is very detrimental to the efficiency of a solar panel. In fact, any cell of a series not exposed to the sun while all the others are, becomes a resistor thus reducing the efficiency of the specific group of cells. Therefore, when used as the base for solar panels, the Portique or arch, cannot be used to support any device that may cast a shadow, and this includes a simple flagpole or a bulky antenna.
 
2) I have used the system of solar panels set on the side of the boat. It works fine only if the panels are fully exposed to the sun, without shawdows. This was the case for me on my other boat, at anchor in the Caribean trade winds, but this is not applicable in many other parts of the world.
 
3) As for wind generator, on my other boat, i installed a WindBugger, one of the few efficient and 'silent' wind generator (you can see it on the web site mentioned below0. The production of the WindBugger was, i was told, abandoned for reasons not related to its efficiency. This equipment was usefull in the Northern latitudes, but considering the efficiency of solar panels in my main area of sailing and the inconveniences of wind generator, i have opted to exclude this additional equipment on a suffiently complex boat. Furthermore, i avoid anchoring close to any vessel equipped with such generator since many are very noisy.
 
4) My Mango is equipped with a propeller driven alternator. Under sail, at 7kt, i enjoy a continuous 10 amp charge. This silent system is far more interesting than the wind generator. Sailing on choppy seas i had to stop the WindBugger because of the effect of mouvements on the bearings of a rotating propeller and the effect of the noise generated on the nerves of the crew. The propeller driven alternator does not have these inconveniences, and provides more than the energy required by the electric pilot directly connected to the rudder quadrant. 

Serge, Mango #51

Note: À VENDRE - FOR SALE
LAETITIA II
info: www.columbia37.com & www.laetitia-l.com

--- En date de : Ven, 18.12.09, Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@yahoo.com> a écrit :


De: Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@yahoo.com>
Objet: Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: vendredi 18 Décembre 2009, 5 h 20


 



Hi Serge,
thanks for the precious infos, useful also for me because I am thinking to have a similar arrangement for a Santorin.
Do you have closer photos of the "portique" to be put in the photo section, or to be sento to my mail asiviero1@gmail. com?
I think that the portique is better than "boomerang" davits built by secteurblanc in La Rochelle, they cost 3500€ and they can be used only for the dinghy, not for the solar pannel. The advantage is that aesthetically they are less intrusive.
Anyhow, if one thinks to use the protique also for wind generator, this could make a shadow on solar panel, cutting their performance: for this reason, most people put solar panels on side handrails near the stern: this way panels can be folded downward during hard passages, and can be oriented properly when at anchor, out of any shadow. Further, wind gen is useful only with strong winds, i.e. northern climates, not the Med, and can be mounted on mizzen mast, under or over the radar antenna, avoiding shadow problems on panels.
Hope to have been useful for the theme.
Rgds
Maria&Attilio Santorin#84 "Sisila"

____________ _________ _________ __
Da: Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@yahoo. ca>
A: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Inviato: Ven 18 dicembre 2009, 00:41:50
Oggetto: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

 
Hi Hayden,
 
If you look at the photo section of this group you will find amongst the first ones: Mango undersail +.
I posted same to show the use of the mizzen balooner, but you will also see at th rear a davit and solar panel base or arch which, in french, is refered to as a 'Portique'.
 
I did not build the portique, it is made out of 3 inch thick wall aluminium tubing, which makes the portique look very heavy. A 2 inch SS tubing portique would be less conspicuous. ..
However, it does the job. I only carry 220 watts of panel, but the Mango is 30cm smaller that the SM, at the widest, but as much as 60 cm smaller at the stern, so i have no doubt you could install 400 watts of panel on a SM. My present solar panels installation, in the Caribeans, fills most of my needs (two persons) :refrigerat ion, lighting (including anchor light), HF (including Pactor), VHF and entertainment radio, and a computer for navigation and communication (either Pactor or WiFi). At anchor, i will start the main engine or genset once a week or for special needs only i e: if i have guests, or for the dish washer or clothe washer or for the watermaker.
 
BTW, the portique is very useful at the dock (Med style) since it not only protect visitors as they arrive but also offers a good grip to less athletic visitors; there is a courtesy light under the panels, so as to facilitate night use of the electric davit or night access to the stern. You will not see on the photo that i have installed a BBQ at the stern, under the solar panels so that i am protected when using the BBQ, and i do not need a flashlight to cook at night. 
 
While in the Carabeans, i have often seen catamarans with huge portique or arch with zillion of solar panels under which a dingy is raised, i would hesitate installing more than 400 watts of panels without the advice of a naval architect on the consequence of having, under  force 7 or 8 winds,not only a dingy at the stern but also a very large fixed panel. I have had no major difficulties with my current installation with strong winds, however for transatlantic crossing or when very strong winds are expected, i set my dingy atop the rear cabin.
 
 Serge Tremblay, Mango #51
 
--- En date de : Jeu, 17.12.09, hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com>
Objet: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: jeudi 17 Décembre 2009, 15 h 41

 

Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53. It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden

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Re: stern arch 54

Martin <yachtcaduceus@...>
 

Apologies, I had forgotten from where I had obtained these particular photographs. I have acquired others that show more detail if anyone would find them useful. The information that you sent me was most helpful in helping me to make a decision about what course of action to take. In the end the logical thing for me to do was to manufacture a solution in the UK whilst the boat is out of the water this winter as I do not wish to take the boat to La Rochelle next summer if I do not have to.

Regards,

Martin - Caduceus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Laurens" <laurens@...> wrote:

Pictures from the stern arch on the 54 I have put already on this website in April 09. Look in the photo session Amel 54 davits.
If interested I have also prices valid that time.
Regards
Laurens
Fun@Sea


stern arch 54

Laurens <laurens@...>
 

Pictures from the stern arch on the 54 I have put already on this website in April 09. Look in the photo session Amel 54 davits.
If interested I have also prices valid that time.
Regards
Laurens
Fun@Sea


Solar panel arch on Amel 54

Martin <yachtcaduceus@...>
 

Secteur Blanc in La Rochelle have produced a stern arch for the Amel 54. The baseic arch includes a version of their boomerang davit. It is constructed of aluminium and painted to match the masts. To this arch can be added solar panels and wind generators; it is however expensive, especially oif your starting point is sterling!

The Sectuer Blanc website does not appear to have any details of this. I have however uplaoaded two picures that I have been sent by various people that illustrate their solution. They are in the album 'Stern Arch'. If anyone has any other picutres of siolutions perhaps they would care to upload them to the same album.

I am currently having a stern arch constructed in 2 inch stainless tubing to carry solar panels and 2 x wind generators with the object of producing enough power to run the regular load of the yacht without recourse to the genset. This is under construction so no photographs as yet. This stern arch is replacing the Simpson Lawrence davitts fitted by Amel. If anyone wants an almost new set of SL davits plus remote control gear, let me know; they are currently in Ipswich UK and are complete with the stainless base mounts that fit the 54 stern.

We decided to remove the SL davits as whilst they look fine, due to the design of the 54's stern, they are to far apart. If we were starting from scratch, which we are not, I would have gone for the Secteur Blanc solution.

Hopoe that this contributes to the discussion.

Martin Bevan
Caduceus - Amel 54 No 56


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Serge,
thanks for the precious infos, useful also for me because I am thinking to have a similar arrangement for a Santorin.
Do you have closer photos of the "portique" to be put in the photo section, or to be sento to my mail asiviero1@gmail.com?
I think that the portique is better than "boomerang" davits built by secteurblanc in La Rochelle, they cost 3500€ and they can be used only for the dinghy, not for the solar pannel. The advantage is that aesthetically they are less intrusive.
Anyhow, if one thinks to use the protique also for wind generator, this could make a shadow on solar panel, cutting their performance: for this reason, most people put solar panels on side handrails near the stern: this way panels can be folded downward during hard passages, and can be oriented properly when at anchor, out of any shadow. Further, wind gen is useful only with strong winds, i.e. northern climates, not the Med, and can be mounted on mizzen mast, under or over the radar antenna, avoiding shadow problems on panels.
Hope to have been useful for the theme.
Rgds
Maria&Attilio Santorin#84 "Sisila"




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Da: Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@yahoo.ca>
A: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Ven 18 dicembre 2009, 00:41:50
Oggetto: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

 
Hi Hayden,
 
If you look at the photo section of this group you will find amongst the first ones: Mango undersail +.
I posted same to show the use of the mizzen balooner, but you will also see at th rear a davit and solar panel base or arch which, in french, is refered to as a 'Portique'.
 
I did not build the portique, it is made out of 3 inch thick wall aluminium tubing, which makes the portique look very heavy. A 2 inch SS tubing portique would be less conspicuous. ..
However, it does the job. I only carry 220 watts of panel, but the Mango is 30cm smaller that the SM, at the widest, but as much as 60 cm smaller at the stern, so i have no doubt you could install 400 watts of panel on a SM. My present solar panels installation, in the Caribeans, fills most of my needs (two persons) :refrigerat ion, lighting (including anchor light), HF (including Pactor), VHF and entertainment radio, and a computer for navigation and communication (either Pactor or WiFi). At anchor, i will start the main engine or genset once a week or for special needs only i e: if i have guests, or for the dish washer or clothe washer or for the watermaker.
 
BTW, the portique is very useful at the dock (Med style) since it not only protect visitors as they arrive but also offers a good grip to less athletic visitors; there is a courtesy light under the panels, so as to facilitate night use of the electric davit or night access to the stern. You will not see on the photo that i have installed a BBQ at the stern, under the solar panels so that i am protected when using the BBQ, and i do not need a flashlight to cook at night. 
 
While in the Carabeans, i have often seen catamarans with huge portique or arch with zillion of solar panels under which a dingy is raised, i would hesitate installing more than 400 watts of panels without the advice of a naval architect on the consequence of having, under  force 7 or 8 winds,not only a dingy at the stern but also a very large fixed panel. I have had no major difficulties with my current installation with strong winds, however for transatlantic crossing or when very strong winds are expected, i set my dingy atop the rear cabin.
 
 Serge Tremblay, Mango #51
 
--- En date de : Jeu, 17.12.09, hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: hayden.wills <hayden.wills@ yahoo.com>
Objet: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: jeudi 17 Décembre 2009, 15 h 41

 

Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53. It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden

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Re: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

eric freedman
 

I have a beautiful photo of davits with solar panels and a wind generator
on an amel 54. Unfortunately I can not upload them to photos. If you would
like to see them . please send me your Eric-mail address.

Fair Winds

Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54





Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also
incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity
as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was
wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53.
It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to
go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about
the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be
running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

hayden.wills <hayden.wills@...>
 

Thank you Serge,

I did worry that a large solar panel arrangement may be of concern in high winds. I have seen a Valiant 42 with 3 very large 200w panels and it looks like it could be dangerous in very high wind conditions but the owner has not reported any worry so far.

I looked at your photo and I can see how practical this would be. Thank you again and I will see what designs I can come up with that will look good and still serve the purpose.

Regards,
Hayden


Rép. : [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hi Hayden,
 
If you look at the photo section of this group you will find amongst the first ones: Mango undersail +.
I posted same to show the use of the mizzen balooner, but you will also see at th rear a davit and solar panel base or arch which, in french, is refered to as a 'Portique'.
 
I did not build the portique, it is made out of 3 inch thick wall aluminium tubing, which makes the portique look very heavy. A 2 inch SS tubing portique would be less conspicuous...
However, it does the job. I only carry 220 watts of panel, but the Mango is 30cm smaller that the SM, at the widest, but as much as 60 cm smaller at the stern, so i have no doubt you could install 400 watts of panel on a SM. My present solar panels installation, in the Caribeans, fills most of my needs (two persons) :refrigeration, lighting (including anchor light), HF (including Pactor), VHF and entertainment radio, and a computer for navigation and communication (either Pactor or WiFi). At anchor, i will start the main engine or genset once a week or for special needs only i e: if i have guests, or for the dish washer or clothe washer or for the watermaker.
 
BTW, the portique is very useful at the dock (Med style) since it not only protect visitors as they arrive but also offers a good grip to less athletic visitors; there is a courtesy light under the panels, so as to facilitate night use of the electric davit or night access to the stern. You will not see on the photo that i have installed a BBQ at the stern, under the solar panels so that i am protected when using the BBQ, and i do not need a flashlight to cook at night. 
 
While in the Carabeans, i have often seen catamarans with huge portique or arch with zillion of solar panels under which a dingy is raised, i would hesitate installing more than 400 watts of panels without the advice of a naval architect on the consequence of having, under  force 7 or 8 winds,not only a dingy at the stern but also a very large fixed panel. I have had no major difficulties with my current installation with strong winds, however for transatlantic crossing or when very strong winds are expected, i set my dingy atop the rear cabin.
 
 Serge Tremblay, Mango #51
 
--- En date de : Jeu, 17.12.09, hayden.wills <hayden.wills@yahoo.com> a écrit :


De: hayden.wills <hayden.wills@yahoo.com>
Objet: [Amel] Solar panel arch on Amel 54
À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: jeudi 17 Décembre 2009, 15 h 41


 



Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53. It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden









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MAXSEA polars for Amel 54

luvkante
 

Hi all,

I am looking for polars of an Amel 54 for Use in the newest max Sea Time Zero Software.

Can anybody help?

Thank you so much in advance!

Martin (getting his new Amel 54 in June 2010)


Solar panel arch on Amel 54

hayden.wills <hayden.wills@...>
 

Hello group,

Has anyone installed a solar panel array on a stern arch that also incorporates dinghy davits. I would like to have as large a solar capacity as possibe - say 3X200 watt panels. These panels are quite large and I was wondering if anyone had done anything similar in the past on a 54 or SM53. It would seem sensible to fabricate a strong set of davits also if I were to go to the trouble of having an arch for the panels.

I am looking at purchasing a used 54 early in the new year and this is about the only conceivable addition I would want to make. I do not want to be running the genset every day if I can avoid it.

Best wishes and seasons greetings to all,
Hayden