Hi David,
Amels, like most fiberglass boats, are made with polyester resin.
However, you should always use epoxy for repairs for superior bonding,
strength, and resistance to water intrusion. If you use polyester for
repairs to the layup, you may experience adhesion problems.

Steve Leeds
MACCABEE
Sharki #121

Circumnavigator's Yacht Service
Fort Lauderdale
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From:David Adams <Wildernesstech@getgoin.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 10:38:36 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fiberglass Composition?



I am trying to find
out what type of resin Amel used in there early
1980's fiberglass (for repair purposes)?

David

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Thanks Gary, with your help the work was ok
by
Ornella Barbara
Santorin 122 Earendil

I need new rubber seals and few spare bits. Is there a reasonable
supplier in US or Canada?

Upon looking at my furler again today,I see that the previous owner had done
what was suggested to you.He apparently tapped the furler and screwed a
stainless set screw in 3 of the existing holes.I have about 3 rivets in place and
about 3 or 4 vacant holes.Now the question is , should I adopt the set screw
solution or use rivets.Earlier someone wrote that the rivets should be aluminium
or should they be monel, any opinions.


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Last spring, after refurbishing all my furler mechanisms (changing bearings, oil seals and gaskets, cleaning the motors etc...) it became apparent that the headstay, while less than 10 years old  needed to be replaced.
 
Monel rivets had been used initially in the extrusions.
 
The experienced rigger at Caraibes Gréement in Martinique convinced me that the better method for joining the aluminium extrusions is that of using set screws and not rivets, screws are used in Profurl, Harken and even Scheafer furlers.
 
My first reaction was that since popular commercial furlers are sold for after sale installation, il seemed more economical and practical to offer a set screw system than a large and costly heavy duty rivet tool with which not everyone is familiar. Also Chantiers Amel  would certainly not use a system which is not the most reliable!!!
 
In my case, the use of a drill to eliminate the old rivets still holding, had, in some cases, increased the size of the entrance hole in the extrusion, thus would have required larger rivets.
 
Moreover, the rivets must, because of the bead retaining same from popping out, be protruding inside the connectors joining the 2 meters or so aluminium extrusions and therefore,  they could, if the connectors are not (as it was the case on my boat) sufficiently isolated from rubbing on the stay by the plastic or graphite inserts, touch the head stay. As a result, a strand of the the stay could be affected but also the damaged rivets could pop out  whenever the headsail is unfurled or taken down ... 
 
Even without a few rivets or screws, the furler can be used, but it seems to allow for seriously damaging the furler, as indicated by Mr Gateff (the CEO of Gateff Sails, one of Amel sail manufacturer), either just above the furler motor, or at the end of the first extrusion
(approx. 2 m from deck). 
 
Finally, whether monel rivets or SS set screws, one must apply the yellow anti corosion paste, and, Loctite cement on the top of set screws.
 
Serge,
 
Mango #51 


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HI, you can get a HD rivetiter at any good auto parts store that sells body parts. They don't come cheep, but there is no other way to pull those HD rivets.
Richard and Joan on SM 209

See message 3445 that in part says:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "" <leonorebt@...> wrote:

Hello James,
The old rivits drop to the bottom of the unit so not a problem.

the new rivits should be 1/4" wide by 1/2" deep. The shaft that
sets the rivit is 2" long and the shaft itself is .15" in diameter
so you need a hefty rivit gun to set them, not an ordinary hardware
store unit. Hope this helps.

Bill Rahmig, Leonore of Sark SM72--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,

sailw32@... wrote:

1994 Super Maramu Hull # 123


In a message dated 11/9/2008 8:42:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:




Pat:

What boat do you have; model and Serial Number

Gary

-- In _amelyachtowners@amelyachtowname_
(mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com) , "sailw32" <sailw32@> wrote:

I need to replace several missing rivets on the furler.I know in the
past I have seen the proper size and type of rivet that should be used
posted.I failed to record that info, could anyone inform me as to the
size and type that should be used. Thanks, Pat McAneny S/V Shenanigans

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Thanks!

David

Hi David,

That would be "Ah-mel" with the "a" pronounced in the European fashion,
as in "father"; not the hard American "Ay-mel" (with a hard "a" as
in "say"). And the emphasis should be equal of each syllable, (which,
to the American ear, sounds like the last syllable is being stressed.)

Regardless of how you say it, it's still superb!

Cheers,
Craig - Santorin #68 "Sangaris"

Pat:

What boat do you have; model and Serial Number

Gary

I need to replace several missing rivets on the furler.I know in the
past I have seen the proper size and type of rivet that should be used
posted.I failed to record that info, could anyone inform me as to the
size and type that should be used. Thanks, Pat McAneny S/V Shenanigans

1994 Super Maramu Hull # 123

Just how do you properly pronounce "Amel"?

David

I am trying to find out what type of resin Amel used in there early
1980's fiberglass (for repair purposes)?

David

It is with bittersweet feelings that we report the sale of our 2003
SM, Sogno di Mare in October. Our time aboard has been wonderful
beyond compare, but circumstances have forced us to make other plans.
We do, however, have the highest praise for our sales broker, Kim
Korman, at Florida Coast Marine, in Fort Pierce, FL. She is
knowledgeable and hard-working, and is a former live-aboard cruiser
herself. We recommend her wholeheartedly! Her website is
www.floridacoastmarine.com.
Thanks to the group for all of the good advice over the past years.
Bill and Cathy Nation
Sogno di Mare, SM2K #404

Be VERY CAREFUL CORSICA is VERY particular if you are not Corse !!!

jlm
France
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Richard Piller a écrit :

We are now in Porto Vecchio on Corsica for the winter. If you need a
place for the winter this is a good one. The rate with power and ele.
is 2600 Eu. for the seven months. They have space. There are 4 Amels
here for the winter.
From here we can walk to marine stores and three major markets for
food and such. The ferry goes to Marseille 3 times a week and the
airport with flights to Marseille, Paris ect is 20 Km away. We find
life here very comfortable is a harbor that never sees freezing temps.
And if you do wish to see and feel snow go to the north end and at
8000 feet you get lots of snow. Water is good and there are people
around here swimming all winter...
Good luck
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@motorola.com
<mailto:jose.luis.isasi%40motorola.com>> wrote:

From: Jose_Luis Isasi <jose.luis.isasi@motorola.com

<mailto:jose.luis.isasi%40motorola.com>>

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Antifouling and winter berthing in

Spain

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 12:24 PM
Hi Anne and John,

I have my Amel Euros 60 miles to the south of San Carlos de
la Rapita
(Burriana port) near Castellon. I have never heard of
freezes in this
area.
With the World Climate Change, you never know though.. :-).

Best regards
Jose-Luis




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, "John and Anne

on Bali Hai"
<annejohn@...> wrote:

We have used Micron Extra for the past six years and

are very happy

with it.It lasts for over two years provided that if

the boat is

hauled out during that time we succeed in stopping the

yard from

blasting it with high pressure hoses. We just wipe it

down with a

soft cloth or sponge keeping it wet with a hose until

the slime has

all been wiped off. We do use a high pressure hose to

clean the
hull

when it is hauled out to be anti fouled again but we

are careful to

keep the end of the jet at least three feet or half a

metre away
from

the hull as Amel suspect that high pressure hoses are

a major cause

of osmosis. If any growth appears during the season I

wipe the hull

down with a soft sponge using SCUBA kit. I have a long

pessure hose

to link me with the air bottle which remains on deck

and find this

system good for cleaning the prop which is so

sensitive to any
growth.

There is a new marina being completed at Sant Carles

de la Rapita
on

the east coast of Spain about 90 miles north east of

Mallorca and

about half way between Barcelona and Valencia. The

developers are
MDL

Ltd, a big player in the marina markets on the south

coast of

England. All the pontoons are in place and the office

building is

also in use. The hard standing area is under

construction and a

travel hoist will be provided very soon. Berths are

for sale or
rent

and there is a special deal on offer as the marina is

not complete

yet.Bali Hai is there on a pontoon pending completion

of the hard

standing and the rate for winter storage for a 15

metre boat is
only

about 1800 euros for October to end May 2009 including

haul out and

launch. Power and water are not metered and will

remain so. We are

told that it does not get cold enough to freeze water

during the

winter. The location is very sheltered and I would not

expect to
see

a swell in the marina except perhaps in a strong south

easterly and

probablly not even then.
Contact is n.salter@...

Best wishes, Anne and John, SM319

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We are now in Porto Vecchio on Corsica for the winter. If you need a place for the winter this is a good one. The rate with power and ele. is 2600 Eu. for the seven months. They have space. There are 4 Amels here for the winter.
From here we can walk to marine stores and three major markets for food and such. The ferry goes to Marseille 3 times a week and the airport with flights to Marseille, Paris ect is 20 Km away. We find life here very comfortable is a harbor that never sees freezing temps. And if you do wish to see and feel snow go to the north end and at 8000 feet you get lots of snow. Water is good and there are people around here swimming all winter...
Good luck
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209

I do not see any dorades in the photosI have looked at. Does Amel use
another ventilation system, or am I missing something?

Closer to closing the deal,
David

Hi Anne and John,

I have my Amel Euros 60 miles to the south of San Carlos de la Rapita
(Burriana port) near Castellon. I have never heard of freezes in this
area.
With the World Climate Change, you never know though.. :-).

Best regards
Jose-Luis




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<annejohn@...> wrote:

We have used Micron Extra for the past six years and are very happy
with it.It lasts for over two years provided that if the boat is
hauled out during that time we succeed in stopping the yard from
blasting it with high pressure hoses. We just wipe it down with a
soft cloth or sponge keeping it wet with a hose until the slime has
all been wiped off. We do use a high pressure hose to clean the

hull

when it is hauled out to be anti fouled again but we are careful to
keep the end of the jet at least three feet or half a metre away

from

the hull as Amel suspect that high pressure hoses are a major cause
of osmosis. If any growth appears during the season I wipe the hull
down with a soft sponge using SCUBA kit. I have a long pessure hose
to link me with the air bottle which remains on deck and find this
system good for cleaning the prop which is so sensitive to any

growth.

There is a new marina being completed at Sant Carles de la Rapita

on

the east coast of Spain about 90 miles north east of Mallorca and
about half way between Barcelona and Valencia. The developers are

MDL

Ltd, a big player in the marina markets on the south coast of
England. All the pontoons are in place and the office building is
also in use. The hard standing area is under construction and a
travel hoist will be provided very soon. Berths are for sale or

rent

and there is a special deal on offer as the marina is not complete
yet.Bali Hai is there on a pontoon pending completion of the hard
standing and the rate for winter storage for a 15 metre boat is

only

about 1800 euros for October to end May 2009 including haul out and
launch. Power and water are not metered and will remain so. We are
told that it does not get cold enough to freeze water during the
winter. The location is very sheltered and I would not expect to

see

a swell in the marina except perhaps in a strong south easterly and
probablly not even then.
Contact is n.salter@...

Best wishes, Anne and John, SM319

We have downloaded advice contained in the latest issue of the
R.Y.A.Newsletter. and it is in the files section.
We have never removed the impellors during winter storage but if you do
not we recommend filling the sea water cooling system with fresh water
for this period in order to prevent barnacle growth in the sea water
system and especially in the impellor pump body as we think that the
baby barnacles are what damages the impellor on start up next season.
It is easily done.
Turn off the sea water cock under the seawater filter. Take the top
off the filter and stand over it with a fresh water hose. Have someone
start the engine and keep the filter filled to the top whilst the
engine flushes itself. Have someone stop the engine and start the
generator to flush that out before stopping the generator and turning
off the freshwater. If you are still going to be using the aircon and
heads put the top back on the filter and open the sea cock.
Obviously if you are not going to use the aircon and heads flush those
out whilst the filter is open. If the boat is hauled out there is no
reason why this procedure should not be followed on the hard.

Best wishes, Anne and John, SM319