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Black panels between cabin windows

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

Hi Gary,
Anne tackled this problem last summer. The really hard bit was removing
the adhesive. The film goes under the stainless trim and some could be
pulled out and the rest was cut flush. I suppose there is a solvent
which would remove the adhesive easily but it is not acetone or white
spirit. Chewing gum remover was a help but only comes in tiny tubes,
the best stuff we had to hand was an Australian or NZ product called
Disolvit and perhaps Swarfega, the hand cleaner. Perhaps Joel knows
what Amel used to get rid of it? It took many hours hard work to clean
off. Care was taken to reduce the risk of disolving the sealant holding
the windows water tight
She used a push scraper with a razor blade but I suspect a pull
scraper such as a Scarsten would have been better as the push one
tended to dig into the gelcoat. Anne used a brush to apply black enamel
paint having found that Hammerite left brush marks.

Merry Christmas to all, Anne and John, SM 319


Climma Air Conditioner Operation on 50/60 Hertz Power

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello all members with Climma AC on their boats:

I am installing a new 4th Climma Compact 10EH air conditioner to
help cool the saloon/galley area of my Super Maramu. The dealer
in Annapolis who helped me import the 230 volt 50 hertz unit to
Antigua has forwarned me that the unit is for 50 hertz use only. Yet I
have run my other three Compact Climma ACs for the past 5 years
on both 50 and 60 hertz power without apparent ill effect (just a
Joel indicated that we could). Has anyone experienced ill effects
from running their Climma AC units on 60 hertz power? Just
interested in other members experience.


Merry Christmas, Gary Silver


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Delamination of Black Trim Panels Between Cabin Wind...

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Charlie:

Thanks for the painting suggestion. I will pursue that option.
I saw a new 54 the other day and from a distance it seemed
that the black panels were still covered with the same material.
Olivier Beaute responded and indicated that the laminate is
the same plastic film that is used for the Amel standard boat
name on the transom.

Regards, Gary


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: TDS levels

michael grunstein <mgrunstein2002@...>
 

Thanks Judy, I found the membranes to fit the D60 and
I have thaken the assembly apart before. So thanks
again for taking the time to respond, Michael



--- Judy <sailingjudy@gmail.com> wrote:



I believe the D60 is different from our model. Our
model is the
Dessalator 160 which is the 240 volt 50 hz, 160
liter/hour watermaker.

The membranes we purchased from Air Water and Ice
are SW30-2540.
These are 2.5" x 40"

Before you do anything study the photo section on
this website for
the watermaker and membrane tubes and some very
detailed instructions
in a posting both done by Gary Silver, a SM2 owner.

I believe you can measure your membrane tubes to
determine if they
are about 2.75" outside diameter (2.5' inside
diameter) and about 40"
long between the end caps.

We recommend ordering a complete set of O rings for
the end caps and
for the high pressure fittings (3 ---1 an
interconnect bobbin between
the two tubes and two raw water inlet fittings) from
Amel or
Dessalator before you start the job...also you will
find postings on
this website for O ring sizes if you want to buy
generic O rings.

We not only needed a few O rings, but also had to
replace 2 end caps
(the seats in the end caps for the interconnect
bobbin were in bad
shape from high pressure leakage)...we elected to
replace all 4 end
caps.

Bill & Judy Rouse
S/V Security
SM2 #387


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, michael
grunstein
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:

Judy, I am in touch with Air, Water & Ice re the
membranes and they are telling me that you bought
the
SW3-2540 membranes. Can you please confirm to me
that
your watermaker actually is the Dessalator D60.
Thanks, Michael SM #345

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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: TDS levels

Judy Rouse
 

I believe the D60 is different from our model. Our model is the
Dessalator 160 which is the 240 volt 50 hz, 160 liter/hour watermaker.

The membranes we purchased from Air Water and Ice are SW30-2540.
These are 2.5" x 40"

Before you do anything study the photo section on this website for
the watermaker and membrane tubes and some very detailed instructions
in a posting both done by Gary Silver, a SM2 owner.

I believe you can measure your membrane tubes to determine if they
are about 2.75" outside diameter (2.5' inside diameter) and about 40"
long between the end caps.

We recommend ordering a complete set of O rings for the end caps and
for the high pressure fittings (3 ---1 an interconnect bobbin between
the two tubes and two raw water inlet fittings) from Amel or
Dessalator before you start the job...also you will find postings on
this website for O ring sizes if you want to buy generic O rings.

We not only needed a few O rings, but also had to replace 2 end caps
(the seats in the end caps for the interconnect bobbin were in bad
shape from high pressure leakage)...we elected to replace all 4 end
caps.

Bill & Judy Rouse
S/V Security
SM2 #387


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, michael grunstein
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:

Judy, I am in touch with Air, Water & Ice re the
membranes and they are telling me that you bought the
SW3-2540 membranes. Can you please confirm to me that
your watermaker actually is the Dessalator D60.
Thanks, Michael SM #345


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Delamination of Black Trim Panels Between Cabin Wind...

svmalaika@...
 

Gary,

We had MALAIAKA II refit at AMEL's yard in Hyeres about a year ago. While
there they fixed the delamination problem. They removed the laminate, carefully
masked the area and painted it with a two part black paint. The masking took
about 4 hours and the painting about 5 minutes! It looks great and has held
up fine so far.

I'm not sure exactly what paint they used, but I'm sure AMEL will advise if
you ask.

Fair winds,

Charlie Cronheim
S/V MALAIKA II, SM 336


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Delamination of Black Trim Panels Between Cabin Wind...

svmalaika@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Delamination of Black Trim Panels Between Cabin Wind...

svmalaika@...
 

Gary,

We had MALAIKA II refit at AMEL's yard in Hyeres about a year ago. The
delamination problem was fixed at that time. They removed the laminate, carefully
taped and masked the area and spray painted with a two part black paint.


Delamination of Black Trim Panels Between Cabin Windows

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hellow everyone:

My boat is now 5 years old and much of that time has been in the Caribbean. The black
panels that are interspersed between the cabin windows are made of some type of plastic
film laminated to a plastic or fiber substrate, and the black film is shrinking and delaminating
(presumable from UV and heat exposure).

I suspect that this is a common problem as I have seen similar appearances on other Amels.
Has anyone undertaken a repair for this cosmetic problem?

Would stripping the plastic film and painting with some type of polyurethane paint work? I
have toyed with with the idea of actually removing the panels and re-bedding new black
colored plexiglass panels (obviously a much bigger project).

Your experiences would be welcome.

Gary Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 , lying Jolly Harbor, Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: TDS levels

michael grunstein <mgrunstein2002@...>
 

Judy, I am in touch with Air, Water & Ice re the
membranes and they are telling me that you bought the
SW3-2540 membranes. Can you please confirm to me that
your watermaker actually is the Dessalator D60.
Thanks, Michael SM #345


--- Judy <sailingjudy@gmail.com> wrote:

We bought the Film-Tec membranes from Air, Water &
Ice in FL; think the
cost was about $179 each. TDS meter was about $40
but don't remember
name of company. I think Gary Silver made a posting
on this group site
about the Film-Tec membranes. You could try
searching for that.

BTW, the first few seconds of product water tests at
TDS levels
exceeding 4,000, even with our new membranes. We
discard the product
water until it tests about 150 before adding any to
our tank. This can
take 5 to 10 minutes before acceptable water is
produced.

Judy
S/V Security
SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, michael
grunstein
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:

The watermaker performance on my boat seems to be
like
yours before you replaced the membranes. My
watermaker
is the Dessalator D60, and I am interested to know
where you bought the membranes, the TDS meter and
their cost.
Thank you,

Michael Grunstein, S/V Yonita #345


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Tank Refinishing

koutsoukos Nikos
 

Hi john
I believe you ll do a fine job.
Just remember to let the paint cure and ventilate the tank until resin odour disappears.In case after all your water smells I ll give you another recipe.

brgds
Nick

----- Original Message -----
From: anniemno1
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Tank Refinishing


Captain Nick,

Thanks for the very helpful reference. The other issue is surface
preparation. Was advised by a marine surveyor in Houston (Mike
Firestone) to water blast the tank with a media such as walnut shells
prior to application of the resin.

Will advise all of success of process.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "koutsoukos Nikos"
<koutsoukosnikos@...> wrote:
>
> Hallo I am Nick and owner of a kirk i am master mariner and
sailing atanker at the moment in north sea ,I suggest what we use in
the ships ,a heavy duty one as follows.
> A good coating of a well known company is INTERNATIONAL :
INTERLINE 850 (WHITE OR BUFF) PRODUCT CODE:TLA 850/A
> Surface preperation :sand paper or grinding ,cleaning.
> Dry film thikness (dft 125 microns about two coatings with
roller),touch dry at 25deg C 5 hrs ,overcoating at same temp. min
8hrs max 30 days
> Thinner GTA 420.
> To avoid unpleasent odors in the water later let it dy well.
>
> rgds
> cpt.Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anniemno1
> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:33 AM
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Tank Refinishing
>
>
> We discovered that the fresh water tank coating is flaking on our
> Mango. Has anyone refinished their fresh water tanks?
>
> What was the process and where did you find the FDA approved
resin?
>
> Regards,
>
> Annie and John on Annie M. (Mango #1)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water Tank Refinishing

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hola John & Annie,

Dominique's Phone in Martinique is (0) 696 863 680

Tthe area code is 596 and from Canada I also dial 001 so: 001 596 696 863 680

By the way, how will you access the whole inside of the tank? I have heard of fuel thank refinishing with a vacuum technique and an injected resin but water tank?

Regards

Serge

anniemno1 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
Serge,

Thanks for the info. Would appreciate Dominique's recommendation on
resin.

Fair Winds,

John and Annie
Annie M (Mango #1)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "laetitiaii" <laetitiaii@...>
wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, anniemno1 <no_reply@>
wrote:

We discovered that the fresh water tank coating is flaking on our
Mango. Has anyone refinished their fresh water tanks?

What was the process and where did you find the FDA approved
resin?

Regards,

Annie and John on Annie M. (Mango #1)
A few years ago while in Martinique, I had my fuel tank ( on my
other
boat) redone by a worker who was using as finishing coat, a white
epoxy finishing resin (it looks like gel coat, but it is air
cured),
which he stated was also used to refinish repaired water tanks in
French charter catamarans which often have cracks after a Atlantic
crossing. I was advised this resin is commonly used to finish water
tanks in new boats. The epoxy finishing resins seems to be readily
available in Martinique from fiberglass and resin suppliers... If
necessary I could find the tel no of a friend (Dominique Rousselot)
who is a Marine Surveyor in Martinique, who possibly could give you
the name of the product. I am presently in Andalousia, Spain,
preparing for a crossing, i would have to look up for Dominique's
tel
no.

Serge

Mango #51





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(No subject)

BeyersWF
 

Miles,
I had an inverter and 110 VAC circuits added to my '82 Mango. Running
the 110 VAC things was beating up the batteries badly. Constantly adding water
and eventually failing batteries. So I had the 220 VAC split, like in your
home, and powered the 110 VAC circuites off the 220 VAC 60 cycle shore power.
Took a new, slick and expensive VAC panel but worth it. When away from the
dock, I use the inverter and batteries. The 220 VAC appliances I inherited with
the boat work fine on 220 VAC 60 cycle but run at 17% faster than on 50 cycle
[vaccume cleaner, coffee maker, etc.] so they heat up faster and higher. So
far no problem. Yes, as long as your computer and printer have a CE
cetificate on the product they run fine on either 110 VAC 60 cycle or 220 VAC 60 cycle
without problems, you do need an adapter which does not have a common ground
circuit. That does make me nervious. I never leave those on overnight, just
in case.

Crash
"Windrush," Mango No.29


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Tank Refinishing

anniemno1 <no_reply@...>
 

Captain Nick,

Thanks for the very helpful reference. The other issue is surface
preparation. Was advised by a marine surveyor in Houston (Mike
Firestone) to water blast the tank with a media such as walnut shells
prior to application of the resin.

Will advise all of success of process.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "koutsoukos Nikos"
<koutsoukosnikos@...> wrote:

Hallo I am Nick and owner of a kirk i am master mariner and
sailing atanker at the moment in north sea ,I suggest what we use in
the ships ,a heavy duty one as follows.
A good coating of a well known company is INTERNATIONAL :
INTERLINE 850 (WHITE OR BUFF) PRODUCT CODE:TLA 850/A
Surface preperation :sand paper or grinding ,cleaning.
Dry film thikness (dft 125 microns about two coatings with
roller),touch dry at 25deg C 5 hrs ,overcoating at same temp. min
8hrs max 30 days
Thinner GTA 420.
To avoid unpleasent odors in the water later let it dy well.

rgds
cpt.Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: anniemno1
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:33 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water Tank Refinishing


We discovered that the fresh water tank coating is flaking on our
Mango. Has anyone refinished their fresh water tanks?

What was the process and where did you find the FDA approved
resin?

Regards,

Annie and John on Annie M. (Mango #1)





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Water Tank Refinishing

anniemno1 <no_reply@...>
 

Serge,

Thanks for the info. Would appreciate Dominique's recommendation on
resin.

Fair Winds,

John and Annie
Annie M (Mango #1)




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "laetitiaii" <laetitiaii@...>
wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, anniemno1 <no_reply@>
wrote:

We discovered that the fresh water tank coating is flaking on our
Mango. Has anyone refinished their fresh water tanks?

What was the process and where did you find the FDA approved
resin?

Regards,

Annie and John on Annie M. (Mango #1)
A few years ago while in Martinique, I had my fuel tank ( on my
other
boat) redone by a worker who was using as finishing coat, a white
epoxy finishing resin (it looks like gel coat, but it is air
cured),
which he stated was also used to refinish repaired water tanks in
French charter catamarans which often have cracks after a Atlantic
crossing. I was advised this resin is commonly used to finish water
tanks in new boats. The epoxy finishing resins seems to be readily
available in Martinique from fiberglass and resin suppliers... If
necessary I could find the tel no of a friend (Dominique Rousselot)
who is a Marine Surveyor in Martinique, who possibly could give you
the name of the product. I am presently in Andalousia, Spain,
preparing for a crossing, i would have to look up for Dominique's
tel
no.

Serge

Mango #51


Re: 24 volt to 110 Inverter

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

I have found that almost all electronic devices now days can be charged with
either 60 cycle 115 or 50 cycle 220. All you need is some plug adaptors.
Also, all laptops that I am familiar with can be charged from a 12 volt DC
source using a cigarette lighter adopter.



Miles Bidwell SM219


Changing Water Heater Zinc & Vacuum Bags

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Regarding Peter Pappas' saga of changing the zinc in the water heater (taking 4 hours). I did it a little differently. Cut off water and power, took off all eight bolts on the bottom. Water went into the bilge. Took off 2 straps holding the tank, picked up the tank to top of engine room while helper pulled out heating elements. Helper puts on the new zinc. I clean out the tank on dock, getting 1/2 lb of rust out. Take tank back aboard, lower into engine room, re-install the heating units and put on bolts and straps. Total time 1 hour. I left the hoses and wire all connected.

If anyone needs more space in your lockers you can try vacuum packing clothes and even sails using your vacuum cleaner). It is amazing how much space is saved. You can buy most of the bag sizes at Target but can also order the jumbo bags on the web (Space Bags). I put my mizzen ballooner (still in its bag) in the jumbo size and squeezed the 2' x 3' bag down to 5 inches thickness. For the main ballooner I took it out of the bag, folded it up and then vacuum bagged it to a thickness of about 8 inches. It can be done so easily you can do it after every use. I also vacuum packed 3 dufflebags into a very small bundle.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 volt to 110 Inverter

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

I put a 24 volt to 100 V under the cabinets over the crew bunk (by the engine room). Ran the wire up through the cabinet down thru the small hanging locker out into the battery box. No problem. Can't hardly see it. Only turn it on when you need it. 1000 Watts. Pure Sine Wave is brand name.
John Martin
Moon Dog
SM 248


From: "pellegrini1942" <afpellegrini@aol.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 24 volt to 110 Inverter
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:13:58 -0000

I am considering installing a Prosine inverter, PS1000, that converts
24 volt to 110 volt power. The portable 12 volt inverter that I use
will not charge the newer bright screen laptops or certain other
devices.
Does anyone have any experience or advise on using a 24 volt to 110
volt inverter.
Regards,
Tony Pellegrini
Voyageur SM # 373

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Re: Shore power connection - Plug replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Jochen,
From personal experience, I'd strongly recommend you bite the bullet
and replace the whole thing. With the amount of corrosion in the
photograph, your on-board connector has got to be corroded, too, and
you've probably got a serious fire hazard.

If you replace everything, you'll undoubtedly get an escutcheon plate
with the new fitting, so the new paint job will not be affected.

Good luck,
Craig Briggs, Santorin #68


Fulring Boom for a Maramu

David Wallace
 

We are interested in installing a furling boom on our 1982 Maramu, which was built before Amel went to in-mast furling. We are tending toward the ProFurl Boom Furler at this point. Has any one in the group installed a furling boom on an Amel, or know of someone who has and can provide comment? I would be very ineterested to know if doing this is considered feasible, and if there are any particular issues to be aware of.

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

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