Thanks Gary, Can you give me more information on the charcoal filters that you have enstalled and use. Peter

amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369 wrote:
" I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system?"

YES Peter, even this small amount of chlorine will destroy you water
maker membranes. After disinfecting your water system (sanitizing it
with larger concentrations of liquid chlorine bleach and pumping
it through all the piping except that to the water maker flush system,
you should discard all that water and fill your tanks only with water
that has either been chlorinated and then filtered through a charcoal
filter or water that comes from the watermaker.

Even tiny amounts of chlorine in the flush water will greatly
shorten the life (or promptlly destroy) your membranes. For more
information you can consult the web site for Filmtec (the makers of
the Dessalator water maker membranes). Go to:
www.dow.com/liquidseps/service/lm_clean.htm
There are multiple technical bulletins at this site all related to the
care and feeding of your FilmTec Membranes.

I installed a dedicated charcoal filter in the fresh water flush line
so that there is a final charcoal filter in any water that goes to
flush my membranes. In addition, any water that I fill the tanks
with from the marina is passed through a charcoal filter as well.

Among other things that Dessalator does a poor job of is giving
their customers robust product manuals that cover all of this.

There is a host of material on the Dow site about all aspects of
watermaker service.

Regards, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335






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Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369 wrote:
" I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system?"

YES Peter, even this small amount of chlorine will destroy you water
maker membranes. After disinfecting your water system (sanitizing it
with larger concentrations of liquid chlorine bleach and pumping
it through all the piping except that to the water maker flush system,
you should discard all that water and fill your tanks only with water
that has either been chlorinated and then filtered through a charcoal
filter or water that comes from the watermaker.

Even tiny amounts of chlorine in the flush water will greatly
shorten the life (or promptlly destroy) your membranes. For more
information you can consult the web site for Filmtec (the makers of
the Dessalator water maker membranes). Go to:
www.dow.com/liquidseps/service/lm_clean.htm
There are multiple technical bulletins at this site all related to the
care and feeding of your FilmTec Membranes.

I installed a dedicated charcoal filter in the fresh water flush line
so that there is a final charcoal filter in any water that goes to
flush my membranes. In addition, any water that I fill the tanks
with from the marina is passed through a charcoal filter as well.

Among other things that Dessalator does a poor job of is giving
their customers robust product manuals that cover all of this.

There is a host of material on the Dow site about all aspects of
watermaker service.

Regards, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335

Just to formalize the issue, here is my question and the response
from Dessalator regarding the use of propylene glycol antifreeze in
the unit.
Good winter to all,
Bill and Cathy Nation
Sogno di Mare
SM2K #404


Dear Sir,

We thank you very much for your inquiry.

Of course, you can use propylene glycol.

Please do not forget to empty your flowmeter tube on the control
panel by disconnecting the production hose and blowing into or
injecting air into the hose in freezing conditions (this tube is in
glass, it is medical equipment and very expansive to replace).

We stay at your disposal for any further question.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

We remain

Yours faithfully

Secretary Dessalator
Rosyne Castino



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De : Bill Nation [mailto:itacknjibe@yahoo.com]
Envoyé : mardi 17 octobre 2006 17:04
À : contact@dessalator.com
Objet : winterizing


Hello,

I have a 230 V, 160 litre/hr model factory installed in my Amel
sailboat.
Can I use propylene glycol potable antifreeze in my watermaker for
winterizing? It will be sitting for six months in the NE United
States.

Thanks for your help,

Bill Nation

Hello again Gary,
I have just had a look at my message of yesterday and seen that I gave
you a wrong dimension. The depth of the forward end of the locker from
the cockpit to the vent pipes is 127 cms.

My apologies for this silly slip, John SM 319

Hi Gary,
Thanks for your message, I was hoping that one of the other of the many members would give you the dimensions! I have been down to Bali Hai and got the sizes for you. This is much easier on my boat because I scrapped the Amel seat and put in a swivel seat on a pedestal and the seat can be lifted off giving great access to the locker. I did the same thing with the nav seat and when the seat is lifted off it is easy to access the lockers under the chart table.
The clearance into the locker is 51cm and the total depth hull to cockpit is 148cms. The fore and aft measurement from the ply cover to the watermaker parts to the partition in the locker is 100cms but there are two vent pipes for the exhaust hot air from the engine room which are 70 cms from the partition and reduce the depth of the cockpit locker at the forward end to 148 cms. In case it of any help we store stuff in four cheap plastic boxes which are 57x42x35cms high and the lids at 42 cms wide are small enough to go into the locker on the level .
I hope this helps.

Very best wishes, John Sm319

I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system? Thank you Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369

John:
Using "at" in the email address rather than the ampersand "@" seems
to work for conveying email address on Yahoo.

Are you aboard Bali Hai? Would you mind taking the measurements
that I have requested in my previous post and emailing them to me at:
agceagle at comcast.net.

Thanks, Gary

PS I couldn't locate the SAE 30/40 oil in the Caribbean and only had
SAE 15/40 engine oil. Olivier Beaute from Amel told me that would
be just fine. So far so good.


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <annejohn@...>
wrote:

I have a set of instructions from Desalateur which say that the oil
for the cat pump is 0.75ltr. of SAE 30/40 engine oil and that it is
important not to mix different oils.
I think it is possible to get round Yahoo removing part of an Email
address by putting at in instead of @. Lets try,my old address was
hollambyatcompuserve.com and I gave it up because of the shoals of
spam mostly offering to restore my virility to its level of some sixty
years ago!!

Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319

I have a set of instructions from Desalateur which say that the oil
for the cat pump is 0.75ltr. of SAE 30/40 engine oil and that it is
important not to mix different oils.
I think it is possible to get round Yahoo removing part of an Email
address by putting at in instead of @. Lets try,my old address was
hollambyatcompuserve.com and I gave it up because of the shoals of
spam mostly offering to restore my virility to its level of some sixty
years ago!!

Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319

Hello fellow Amel owners,

I am not currently on my boat, yet I need to know a couple of dimension
for the port side cockpit lazarette.
1. I need to know (cm or inches ok) the height of the lazarette, near the
forward portion of the lazarette, from the floor to the bottom lip of the
seat scupper (as if you were going to slide a box into the most port aspect
of the lazarette).
2. Also I need to know the depth of the lazarette from the port outboard wall
to the inboard wall at the forward portion of the lazarette. If someone on
a SM 2000 would take a minute to measure that for me I would be most
grateful.

Thanks in advance, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335

"Out of the hurricane box. Boat will be in NZ AU for some time
and then sailed back to the US."

I am insured thru Offshore Risk Management, William J. Coates, broker,
(305) 743-7711 or (800) 773-0105, or Google up their web site. He
has handled my insurance for 5 years including my needs in Europe,
on a transatlantic and in the Caribbean and east coast of the US. Perhaps
Pentanius (spelling) insurance is available in Australian and New Zeland.
They are a German company that is high rated and quite cheap but they
will not insure boats in US waters because of our litigenous society here.

My basic insurance annual premium has run about 1.2% of the hull value
insured plus about 15% of that premium added on for keeping the boat
in the hurricane box (currently in Antigua). I am not sure where the
hurricane box is for the southern hemisphere.

I have been pleased with Bill's service and knowledge. Give him a call
and let him know I sent you.

Best regards, Gary

PS If you put an email address in the body of the post it will be truncated
and not show up in the post. However, if you put your email in your
profile then responses on the site will be sent to that email address.
At least that is my understanding.

Gary,

Thanks. Out of the hurricane box. Boat will be in NZ AU for some time
and then sailed back to the US.

I'm confused about how Yahoo handles reply addresses> I've set my
preferences to show my address and I put my non-Yahoo email in the body
of the email. I've gotten replies directly to the vanderbilt.edu
domain...

Drew
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, amelliahona <no_reply@...>
wrote:

Drew: Yahoo trunkates all email addresses so I have to respond this
way. Where are you located? Will the boat be kept in or out of the
hurricane box? These items will greatly influence insurance decisions.
Regards, Gary Silver SM 2000 Hull # 335 s/v Liahona

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "drew_gaffney"
drew.gaffney@ wrote:

Am in the process of purchasing an Amel SM 2000; would appreciate

any

info and recommendations regarding insurance. Please respond to my
email drew.gaffney@
Thanks

Drew: Yahoo trunkates all email addresses so I have to respond this
way. Where are you located? Will the boat be kept in or out of the
hurricane box? These items will greatly influence insurance decisions.
Regards, Gary Silver SM 2000 Hull # 335 s/v Liahona

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "drew_gaffney"
<drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

Am in the process of purchasing an Amel SM 2000; would appreciate any
info and recommendations regarding insurance. Please respond to my
email drew.gaffney@...
Thanks

Am in the process of purchasing an Amel SM 2000; would appreciate any
info and recommendations regarding insurance. Please respond to my
email drew.gaffney@vanderbilt.edu
Thanks

To all,

I am installing a SSB radio. The Amel manual says "If the boat
hasn't got any SSB radio the ground plates are connected to the zinc
anodes. When setting up a SSB, disconnect the ground plates of the
anodes (behind the chart table)"

I take this to mean that the SSB ground should be separate from the
boat ground. The SSB will be connected to the ground plates and the
boat ground will be connected to the zinc anodes. Is this a correct
assumption?

Has anyone done this? Can you explain how this is done?

On my boat (hull #215 1998) there are two ground wires connected to
the rudder. One goes to a nearby copper strap which I assume
connects to the ground plates. The other wire goes into the boat
wiring harness which I assume is the boat ground for all the
underwater metal parts. The copper strap has a second ground wire
attached to it which I think goes to behind the chart table. The
ground lug behind the chart table has three wires connected together.

My boat has a copper strap where the antenna tuner should be
installed. I intend to attach tuner ground to this strap. I assume
that this ground is attached to the ground plates.

best regards,
Paul S. Fruehauf - Faraway Eyes - SM215

This snap, crakle and pop phenomenon has been
described as a marine life creature called "krill". I
have no details on it, but doing an online search
should produce useful information.
Jim


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Peter,

Yes indeed the snapping and popping sound is caused by snapping
shrimp.

From National Geographic:

"Among the fascinating creatures of the deep is a finger-size shrimp
with an oversize claw—resembling a boxing glove—that it uses to stun
its prey by snapping the claw shut. The snapping produces a sharp
cracking sound. When colonies of the shrimp snap their claws, the
cacophony is so intense that submarines can take advantage of it to
hide from sonar.

The shrimp, Alpheus heterochaelis, is a dirty-green crustacean that
prowls the shallow waters of tropical seas. It has two claws', one
resembling an oversize boxing glove, which it uses to stun prey, such
as small crabs, by snapping the oversize claw shut.

Reported in the September 22, 2000, issue of Science that the
stunning snap comes not from the clap of the claws coming together
but from a bubble generated by the claws' rapid closing motion.

When the claw snaps shut, a jet of water shoots out from a socket in
the claw at speeds of up to 62 miles (100 kilometers) an hour,
generating a low-pressure bubble in its wake. As the pressure
stabilizes, the bubble collapses with a loud bang."

Richard

When snorkeling you can hear the same sound and it is my experience that it
is sea urchin munching on shells and mussels. In the cold Danish waters you
won’t hear the sound as we have no sea urchin.



Regards,

Lars, Denmark

New owner of Santorin #79 “Salvagny”



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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Ian & Judy Jenkins
Sendt: 9. oktober 2006 16:41
Til: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Emne: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SNAP, CRACKEL, AND POP?



Hi Peter, Welcome to one of life's mysteries. I first heard this sound about

25 years ago and have heard it on various boats in various harbours. I have
yet to hear a definitive explanation for it, though the one that seems most
likely to me is that the hull picks up and magnifies the sounds of lots of
little sea creatures of some sort, be they worms, mussels or whatever.
Do let me know if you find the real answer! Ian Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302,
Uruguay

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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SNAP, CRACKEL, AND POP?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:58:47 -0000

When below decks I hear a sound that most resembles the sound of rice
crispies, or of someone popping very small bubble wrap, or sizzling
grease. I am tied to a slip, the hull has recently been cleaned, the
zincs are good, and I am plugged in to shore power. Thank you Peter
Pappas "Callisto" SM 369







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Peter, I too had the same experience in a marina in the med. I spent
virtually all night trying to trace an "electrical short" only to be told by
a livaboard that it was fish scraping away the growth from the bottom of the
hull. We moved away and it disappeared !

Happy sails

Dennis Woods

Il Flauto Magico SM 408



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Sent: 09 October 2006 14:59
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SNAP, CRACKEL, AND POP?



When below decks I hear a sound that most resembles the sound of rice
crispies, or of someone popping very small bubble wrap, or sizzling
grease. I am tied to a slip, the hull has recently been cleaned, the
zincs are good, and I am plugged in to shore power. Thank you Peter
Pappas "Callisto" SM 369

Whe I was docked in Gran Canaria I heard the same sound for 4 days. I was told it was small shrimp (or some such sea life) munching on or around the bottom of the hull. The sound was most pronounced in the aft cabin if you put your ear to the deck. Hope this helps.

Hi Peter, Welcome to one of life's mysteries. I first heard this sound about 25 years ago and have heard it on various boats in various harbours. I have yet to hear a definitive explanation for it, though the one that seems most likely to me is that the hull picks up and magnifies the sounds of lots of little sea creatures of some sort, be they worms, mussels or whatever.
Do let me know if you find the real answer! Ian Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Uruguay