Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin
Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
The structural integrity is a valid point. When AMEL retro fit their tank to a Santorin they only use the after top section of the heads lockers (for’d), and do not remove the centre partition as I have done to fit a larger tank. My question to anyone who has had a reto fitted tank in a Santorin is “does AMEL fibreglass the face panel (the for and aft panel that covers the lockers) back in place?” If they do I don’t see how you can replace all the pipework. You can replace the outlet pipe easily enough but I don’t see how you get to the inlet pipe and, if ever necessary, the pump out pipe and if they don’t then they must feel that the strength generated is not absolutely necessary – can anybody explain?
A factor that worries me if the apparent lack of a ventilation pipe to the tank. All my reading, and advice from manufacturers states that you need air circulation in the tank to keep bacteria down and reduce smell. Does AMEL really not have a air vent pipe? From experience I do like the simplicity of the straight through system where the heads can flush straight to sea and can be held in the holding tank in port by use of one valve. Only the heads pump to go wrong! I’m a bit puzzled by the use of PVC pipe. We spend a great deal of money fitting odour proof piping so why doesn’t the odour penetrate the PVC, and if it doesn’t why do the builder fit expensive pipe? Robin Craig & Katherine <sangaris@aol.com> wrote: Ken - A prior owner of our boat, "Sangaris" (Hull#68-1992), did an installation similar to Robin's except the full wall panel was removed so that after the tank was installed on the middle shelf and the full original panel put back in place it kept the original appearance. You can't get to the tank without some dissembly, but not a problem so far. Unfortunately, you loose storage space and destroy the monocoque structure Amel intended by having the full panel bonded in place. I think a better solution would be a Raritan Saniflush/holding tank combo installed under the towel rack next to the toilet, with some finish paneling over it for appearance sake. It would give you easy maintenance access and avoid the downside of cutting out the panel. Plus that space is only handy for hanging towels - you could stil have a foot or so above the unit. You could also nudge it a bit under the sink. By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and flexible rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It works great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells. I run muriatic acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup - (which works with hose, too.) Good luck, Craig Briggs - In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...> wrote: have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend ... had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. .... Robin Cooterour 1998 Santorin....> Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how and best place to fit them.... Ken on OceanHobo1 SPONSORED LINKS Sailing Sailing yacht Amel Boating sailing --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin
Ken -
A prior owner of our boat, "Sangaris" (Hull#68-1992), did an installation similar to Robin's except the full wall panel was removed so that after the tank was installed on the middle shelf and the full original panel put back in place it kept the original appearance. You can't get to the tank without some dissembly, but not a problem so far. Unfortunately, you loose storage space and destroy the monocoque structure Amel intended by having the full panel bonded in place. I think a better solution would be a Raritan Saniflush/holding tank combo installed under the towel rack next to the toilet, with some finish paneling over it for appearance sake. It would give you easy maintenance access and avoid the downside of cutting out the panel. Plus that space is only handy for hanging towels - you could stil have a foot or so above the unit. You could also nudge it a bit under the sink. By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and flexible rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It works great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells. I run muriatic acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup - (which works with hose, too.) Good luck, Craig Briggs - In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...> wrote: have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend ... had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. .... Robin Cooterour 1998 Santorin....> Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how and best place to fit them.... Ken on OceanHobo1
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Autopilot brushes
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
Hello Robin,
I do not know how old your Santorin is but I do know that the linear drive that I bought about 14 or 15 years ago was made by a British company called Klaxon in Luton (I guess they used to make car hooters about 80 years ago). By 1997 or 8 when the brushes went Raymarine/Autohelm had switched to another manufacturer...we were in Fiji and Raymarine UK told me that they had switched but failed to give me an address or fax no. You could try contacting Raymarine UK giving them the serial no of your drive and ask them for all the contact details. You should also open up the end of the drive to see whether the gears are metal or plastic as the latter have a life of about 12-15,000 miles and are a vital spare...they used to cost £12.50 for the plastic and £125.00 for the metal ones now used by Amel. Let us know how you get on. Good luck, Anne and John, SM319
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] auto pilot brushes
Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
Would be very appreciative if you could let me have name and/or address, phone number and E-mail of the firm you got the brushes from
caramel02uk <pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote: whilst in Trinidad I went to the Raymarine agent and asked that he get me a set of brushes for my Type 2 linier drive motor. I work on the basis that if I have a spare the unit will never need it!! Guess what Raymarine USA Michael.J.Warren@raymarine.com advised brushes cannot be supplied, his alternative was to sell me a complete new motor. I was under the impression supplies of spares had to be offered for 10 years after withdralal of an item but I could be wrong on this. I tracked down the motor manufacturer who is based in GWYNEDD Wales and for GBP18 I got 4 brushes sent to me. SPONSORED LINKS Sailing Sailing yacht Amel Boating sailing --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin
Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
When we purchased our boat (Santorin 004) we knew that we would have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend had one tank fitted to his Santorin by AMEL and I worked out that I could have two fitted for the price of his one! I measured up the space - quite difficult as the centre, athawtships, partitition was still in place. I ordered the tanks and took them out to St Raphael where a local shipwrite, very familiar with AMELs fitted them. He had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. The size is not absoloutely perfect but it is not a bad fit. If I have an E-mail address I can sent you an attachment from my boat's information file with a couple of photos. In the first photo you can clearly see the fit of the forward tank. The sanitation hoses are clearly visible, the pumpout goes to the deck which shows the clearance between the top of the tank and the deck. There is also
a ventilation pipe that goes from the top to a "covered" hole at the top of the hull. This is important in order to slow down bacterial build op and the attendent smell. It also helps if you have guests who forget to empty the tank and try to overfill it as it acts as an emergency overflow! The information is on how to change the pipework. I like the system as you can use the toilet as a "straight through" system whilst at sea and as a holding tank in port and there are no pumps etc. It's worked o.k. for us for 6 years. We are off abroad on Wednesday and would not be able to send you the infor for a coulpe of months so if it might be of any use please let me know ASAP. Robin Cooter oceanhobo1 <ken@xpress-services.co.uk> wrote: We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us that the tanks fitted to the SM will not fit the Santorin, and that we have to have them specially made. Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how and best place to fit them. We are berthed at present in Spain. Regards Ken on OceanHobo1 --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin
georges pellegrini <dji314@...>
On my 96 Santorin this has been done by Amel for the forward head.
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The tank is fitted behind the panel, just below deck and forward of the separation where the little cabinet is (the one with mirror doors). It is true that it is a special tank. No more that a resin box that holds about 10 gallons. It has 3 hoses attached to it: -One on top, coming from the head -one on top going through the deck, for flushing and inspection, and closed with a cap with vent. -one at the bottom going to the valve then through the hull. If you leave the vave open, it works as a regular head. If you close the valve, you use the holding tank. Georges, Santorin Greenlight
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:29 AM, oceanhobo1 wrote:
We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us
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Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin
oceanhobo1 <ken@...>
We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us
that the tanks fitted to the SM will not fit the Santorin, and that we have to have them specially made. Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how and best place to fit them. We are berthed at present in Spain. Regards Ken on OceanHobo1
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Need informationes - Battery compartment
PFM53 <pfm53@...>
I need to order baterries for my 1995 SM, but I am not physically at the boat.
I need to know if anyone knows the standard size of the battery compartment on the SM. If anyone has those dimensions, I would be very appreciative of their input Jerry PFM #133
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - pictures
rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, michael grunstein
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote: Thanks for the compliment. The best description of the process was posted by Ann Harsh of Harmonie on Sept 6 2003, under subject: Deck Grooves. Do a search on this site to find that posting. We used the Embee Striper, a small brass wheel (roller) with a 1 oz. glass paint bottle attached. We used the 3/16 in. width brass wheel, which required just two passes on the grooves to fill them with paint. No masking tape is needed -- the groove is sufficiently depressed from the deck to keep the brass wheel and the paint contained. Use the edge of the groove to guide the roller. Do a Google search on "Embee paint striper" and you will find suppliers -- typically art supply stores. We bought the kit with 8 different brass wheels, but only used one. You will also need a small brush for the corners and other hard-to reach places like under cleats. The paint we used was Pettit EasyPoxy One-part Polyurethane Enamel. Interlux sells a similar paint: Brightside One-part polyurethane enamel. One-part means you don't have to mix two components and hope they don't "set" before you finish painting. As the painting takes time, this type of paint just makes it harder. You'll have a hard time finding a brown color to match Amel's original gelcoat color. Use black -- it looks great! Get a quart of the proper paint thinner, as you'll need it to clean up spots where the paint goes over the edge of the groove. Use a clean cloth and a fingernail. Finally, get a 10-oz.(or so) plastic squeeze bottle with a small spout to refill the 1-oz. glass bottle -- nothing else works. Thanks again to Ann Harsh who showed us the way. Roy on Excalibur SM#195
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - pictures
michael grunstein <mgrunstein2002@...>
Hi Roy,
I am impressed with your painting job! Did you use masking tape? and what do you mean by "one-part Polyurethane"? I am definitely going to do the same as the fading paint is an eyesore. Thanks, Michael Grunstein (#345) --- rbenven44 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi Eric, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Half Hull Model of Super Maramu
Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
AMEL produce half models for the Santorin so I would be fairly sure they produce one for the Super Maramu. Might be worth asking them for a price.
Robin Cooter closereach <closereach@yahoo.com> wrote: We're thinking of having a half hull model built to mount on the main bulkhead in the saloon. Here's what we've found out: A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull, bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to build. To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months to build. For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case) price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build. If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com). All the best to everyone, Richard Tate SM #5 Spice --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "amelyachtowners" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail
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Half Hull Model of Super Maramu
We're thinking of having a half hull model built to mount on the main
bulkhead in the saloon. Here's what we've found out: A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull, bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to build. To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months to build. For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case) price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build. If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com). All the best to everyone, Richard Tate SM #5 Spice
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Half Hull Model of Super Maramu
dlm48@...
In a message dated 01/02/2006 14:06:48 GMT Standard Time,
closereach@yahoo.com writes: A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull, bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to build. To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months to build. For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case) price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build. If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com). All the best to everyone, Richard Tate SM #5 Spice GULP that sounds expensive cant you get the lines and make one yourself OR Does Amel not have half hull models? regards David
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel contact info question
jrjrjrouse2000 <judyrouse@...>
Since Yahoo strips out the email addresses in these posts, would you
please send Olivier Beaute's email address to me at: judyrouse "at" houston.rr.com Thanks, Judy --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <ocean53@s...> wrote: Beaute in La Rochelle via email amel@a... (or by phone or fax). Olivierspeaks excellent English and is most helpful. Delivery is normally by DHLor, if you prefer by post .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel contact info question
Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
Hi Judy,
Welcome to the Amel fraternity. If you want parts, contact Olivier Beaute in La Rochelle via email amel@amel.fr (or by phone or fax). Olivier speaks excellent English and is most helpful. Delivery is normally by DHL or, if you prefer by post . I have enclosed my details on Amel below. Happy Sailing Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Chantiers AMEL 16, rue Joseph Cugnot BP 15 17 182 PERIGNY Cedex France Tél. : +33.546.55.17.31 Fax. : +33.546.45.43.03
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Amel contact for parts
eric freedman
Judy,
Mr BEAUTE has all the spares you will ever need. He is extremely knowledgeable about our boats and was an instructor for new boat deliveries. He is very charming and helpful. Due to the volume of business, it might take a few days for an answer from him. Fair Winds, Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite Chantiers AMEL 16, rue Joseph Cugnot 17 182 PERIGNY CEDEX FRANCE Tél.: 00 33 (0) 5 46 55 17 31 Fax : 00 33 (0) 5 46 45 43 03 www.amel.fr amel@amel.fr Olivier BEAUTE After-sales dept.
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Amel contact info question
jrjrjrouse2000 <judyrouse@...>
We recently purchased SM2 #387 and have renamed her S/Y Security.
There are several things that we would like to obtain from Amel. I have heard that Amel maintains some sort of owner database and that we should contact Amel and register as the new owners. Does anyone have the contact info for Amel for either this database registration or for ordering spare parts? Thanks in advance. Judy S/Y Security SM2 #387
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Re: Amel Insurance
jrjrjrouse2000 <judyrouse@...>
John,
I'm surprised that you were even able to get a quote from Pantaenius to keep the boat in Texas gulf coast year round. Last summer the Pantaenius US branch told us that they would not even write a policy covering a boat that would be within the hurricane box during season. I obtained quotes from several companies for 400k & 430k hull values. All of them actually were writing the same policy -- from Great Lakes Reins (UK)PLC, except for IMIS Al Golden. IMIS writes the Jackline Policy, which is the only insurance company that is US and would be under the jurisdiction of US legal system. The Great Lakes policy does not fall within the jurisdiction of US legal system should you ever have a serious problem with them. American Marine Insurance Services $6290 for 400k hull and 500k liability; no coverage if within hurricane box during season. This was also the same Great Lakes reinsurance policy. That policy has huge (20%) depreciation clauses, so read it carefully if you go that route. C.A. Hansen in Ft. Lauderdale $6315 for 400k hull and 1M liability; same Great Lakes policy. Bluewater Ins would not quote that high a hull value; they limited to 350k. I obtained several other quotes, but those are on my computer and are not accessible at this time for me to share with you. (I am using a friend's laptop to write this message) But all the quotes were within the same price range. We wrote with Al Golden at IMIS with the Jackline Policy. $5521 for 400k hull and 1M liability with the tender deductible reduced to 1k deductible. Windstorm is not covered if we are within hurricane box during season, but all other coverage still applies even if we are in hurricane zone. No other policy offered this. Judy S/Y Security SM2 #387 johnabo2003 <no_reply@y...> wrote: I received from Pantaenius to keep an Amel with a hull value of$420,000 in the Texas Gulf coast.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Insurance
dlm48@...
In a message dated 31/01/2006 20:19:41 GMT Standard Time,
judyrouse@houston.rr.com writes: We wrote with Al Golden at IMIS with the Jackline Policy. $5521 for 400k hull and 1M liability with the tender deductible reduced to 1k deductible. Windstorm is not covered if we are within hurricane box during season, but all other coverage still applies even if we are in hurricane zone. No other policy offered this. Judy S/Y Security SM2 #387 i did advise IMIS and Al Judy as i was sure that was where you got your best quote from - are you still in the VI's or home in TX? regards David
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Sailing amonst coral reefs
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
We spent five years in the South Pacific 1995/2000. Luckily this
period saw the start of the GPS era which made a huge difference to safety. I have just read the Ocean Navigator article which Richard has posted and would agree that currents are a big danger for the unwary. The prevailing winds and currents make it very difficult to backtrack eastwards and can and do cause boats to be wrecked especially at night whilst waiting for daylight to enter an atoll or whilst anchored insecurely. During our time out there we heard of several yachts had broken anchor winches as a result of anchoring in atolls without realising that the bottom has many mushroom shaped pillars of coral which the Aussies call bommies. A boat is anchored facing the prevailing trade wind and current. However at night the wind and/or current may drop or change direction which causes the boat to drift around which may wind the chain around one of these. After a few days this may take up all the slack in the chain and thus if the wind and waves build up the winch is damaged or perhaps a cleat is ripped out of the deck. This happened to us but luckily we realised it and avoided damage by letting out more chain and then putting out another anchor so that we could let out more chain and then scubad down about 60 feet and unwound the chain which was twice around a bommy. Many years ago mariners used to bouy their chain with bamboo logs so that rose more or less vertically and was in a series of loops between logs to avoid this problem. We used fenders from then on. Perhaps a stern anchor would also work. We had an Echopilot forward looking echosounder which was good and bad. It worked very well for motoring very slowly around coral areas but was pretty well useless with flat bottoms, especially soft ones. This was because the echos were not reflected. I suspect that the other make would suffer th same effects. One thing that we did with it occasionally was to turn the transducer around slowly after anchoring to see whether there were any nasties on either side. The defects in the Echopilot were that the LCD is polarised at 90degrees to polarised sunglasses and thus the screen appears black until you put your eyes at 90 degrees to the vertical!Also the screen goes blank if subjected to direct sunlight/heat. If we were doing the trip again we would carry extra fuel pobably in plastic containers stored in the locker in the deck on the port side which would put weight in the right place for the prevailing trades. We had a spare Whale Gulper elctric pump which we used to move fuel from the two 100 litre containers which were lashed to the mast and granny bars on our boat which was an Oyster 435. We enjoyed great hospitality from the Polynesians where ever we went and in retrospect we should have taken gifts such as masks and fins and other things for these people who cannot buy them locally even if they had the money. Some places have so called yacht clubs that we were invited to join....we should have done so as it is a comfortable way of giving them money. Also most places have a dire shortage of fresh water and if you have a good water maker I am sure some water would be appreciated by these gentle folk. There is a great website being produced by a young American couple recording their experiences cruising the Pacific...www.sailwhisper.com A free and easy to use site is available from www.getjealous.com This site was set up by George who is a friend of the young couple who bought my Oyster and you can see their voyage at www.jasonandfiona.com They got as far as Panama from the UK when Jason developed a brain tumour and had to fly back to the UK for treatment oover a year ago.They had a delivery crew bring the boat back and they are now living on it in Poplar Docks in East London whilst, I imagine, he is still under treatment. If you only have one rudder drive I highly recommend taking a set of spare brushes and gears for it. Such thing are not available before getting to NZ or OZ and possibly not even there as Raymarine/Autohelm change the motor suppliers from time to time and stop stocking spares. In Fiji my drive stopped working reporting no power on the control.When I opened up the motor it was full of carbon dust from the badly worn brushes.None were available from Aussie agents and Raymarine UK told me they had none as they had switched suppliers not even giving me a contact for the previous suppliers. Luckily the previous owner had left a set in the stores otherwise I suppose one would have to make some from larger brushes if found! Any questions? Regards, Anne and John SM 319
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