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Watermakers

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Steve,
I was advised to use glycerine by a US Watermaker company but that was
about six years ago. You could ask Rod Boreham who is the UK Agent for
Dassalter. He seems very switched on and helpful. His Email address is
rod.boreham@advanceyachts Amel could tell you how to purge the kinks.
Luckily we do not have to worry about frost in Malta!

Regards, John SM 319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 fresh water system

Steve Constantine <maramu_49@...>
 

I too recently purchased an SM2K (#340), and am struggling with winterizing issues. For the hot water heater, I disconnected the inlet and outlet hoses, and temporarily attached a length of hose to the lower one to drain the water into the sump. I then bypassed the heater by joining the cold water inlet hose to the hot water outlet hose. At this point, the entire fresh water system is cold only. I then ran the "pink" antifreeze through the fresh water system by disconnecting the inlet hose from the fresh water pump, and syphoning it directly out of the antifreeze bottle. Don't forget the cockpit shower. The hot water tank just required a small amount to displace what little water didn't get drained.

Incidently, for those of you horrified that we're using antifreeze in our fresh water pipes, propolene glycol (pink stuff) is widely used as a non-toxic antifreeze in the plumbing systems of boats, motorhomes, travel trailers, etc. as a winterizing agent in North America. It's available at every boating supply facility.

The dishwasher, clothes washer, and watermaker were a lot more challenging. I ended up running the clothes washer through a cold water rinse cycle (so the heating element wouldn't turn on). I couldn't figure out how to keep the heater from turning on in the dishwasher, so I just ran it through a complete cycle. It worked, but at the expense of 4 gallons of antifreeze.

On the watermaker (160 litre/hour model), I'm still stuck. This is the first watermaker I've ever seen, so I'm probably missing something obvious. The saltwater intake is straight forward from the seacock to the 25 micron filter (it can be filled with antifreeze). Then from the 5 micron filter through the non-pressurized section of the membranes and overboard is no different than a regular "pickling" with glycerine. My problem, however, is how does one protect the section from the filtered (fresh water side) of the membranes, through the water quality sensor, through the control panel fresh water gauge, and back to the tank? I'd think it would have fresh water pooled at various points in the circuit, which if left there, will freeze and crack something.

Another boater with a watermaker in the same yard, says his watermaker manufacturer recommends winterizing the system by pickling it with pink propolene glycol instead of glycerine. Has anyone heard of this being done on an AMEL Dessalator system without dire results? Are there any other tricks, techniques, or advice anyone has learned?

Steve Constantine


mike_ondra <mondra@ptd.net> wrote:
As the new owners of a 1999 SM 2000 we have enjoyed exploring our
new vessel and the challenges of figuring out the systems.
Winterization generated a number of questions.

We expected to remove the 2 nuts on the wood cover under the sole
board in the galley and be able to access the fresh water tank. We
found simply an indentation in the fiberglas, as if it was intended
to provide an access point, but had not been cut out. What are we
missing? Is/are there access points for cleaning?

The water heater, mounted on an angle with all piping and electrical
connections on the bottom end, seems to lack any high temp/pressure
safety blow-off. Typical? Method of draining and replacement of
anode or failed electric heating element? The magnesium anode is
huge! Does it really need replacement in 3 years?

The manual seems to imply a method to simply drain the fresh water
system back to the keel tank. That certainly would be easy if it
worked. We could not believe that approach would safely drain the
system and so simply added antifreeze to the empty tank and then fed
the entire fresh water system until pink. Again, are we missing out
on an easier way to do this?






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Photos, cockpit seat and table

John and Anne Hollamby <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Eric,
Sorry to have been so long in replying. We do not have an espar or other
heater so I can not help with that.
I have just posted pics of a hatch in the aft cabin top in the SM 319 album
which now has some 26 pics of changes I have made.
One of the best was scrapping the helmsmans chair and putting in a seat
which is on a swivelling but lockable base which also
has gas filled struts to move the seat up and down and in and out. The
actual pedestal can be accessed from New Zealand. I have never seen
any other one with these qualities. This did away with the Amel table but I
got a Swedish mount available by mail order which comes in four parts.
there is a mounting plate which is fixed to the side of the locker astride
the reinforcing web. Then there is a vertical section which slides onto the
plate
and a horizontal section which fits onto the vertical section and another
plate which I screwed onto one part of the Amel table, removing the second
section
andthe hinge. This second part is used when we are more than four for
dinner etc. The table swivels and is lockable in any horizontal position
and of course the height is also variable. I also fitted three teak grab
handles on the underside of the fixed hardtop.
Since then I find that at least 90% of the time the seat is not facing
forward but turned inwards to join in with people in the cockpit. An
additional bonus is that the chair can be lifted off easily to make it
possible to access the big cockpit locker, (which is where the table top
lives most of the time). It is also smaller, comfortable
and, I think, more attractive than the original.

Have a good Christmas, John SM 319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

eric freedman
 

After much searching I sent a piece of outhaul line to new England ropes. .
They suggested endura braid as a substitute. It works great on my boat. A
trick is to tighten the car using a line from the clew of the main to one of
the mast winches. This will tension the outhaul so there will be little if
any need to further adjust the line. The endura is 3/8 inch.
Fair winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Outhaul

I have replaced the outhaul several times over the past two years
cruising, as I experimented with different brands and thicknesses of
Kevlar line. I have discovered that 1) I can't splice worth a damn. I
have replaced Amel's pretty spliced outhaul ends with bowlines. 2) All
of brands of line that I tried - some worse than others, had a waxy
finish on the outside of the line. This is not particularly useful on a
friction drive but it did oxidise off after a couple of weeks exposure
to the elements. 3) To tighten the line, tap the outhaul power control
in the "in" direction without touching the furler control. If there is
slack in the outhaul, you can now remove it by tightening the lashing.
I found it was necessary to do this daily for a few days and then
possibly repeat after a week.







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Re: Outhaul

edmund_steele
 

I have replaced the outhaul several times over the past two years
cruising, as I experimented with different brands and thicknesses of
Kevlar line. I have discovered that 1) I can't splice worth a damn. I
have replaced Amel's pretty spliced outhaul ends with bowlines. 2) All
of brands of line that I tried – some worse than others, had a waxy
finish on the outside of the line. This is not particularly useful on a
friction drive but it did oxidise off after a couple of weeks exposure
to the elements. 3) To tighten the line, tap the outhaul power control
in the "in" direction without touching the furler control. If there is
slack in the outhaul, you can now remove it by tightening the lashing.
I found it was necessary to do this daily for a few days and then
possibly repeat after a week.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Basic info

Eric Lindholm
 

Thanks for the info Mike. With what you supplied and others I now have the info I need. Great group. Happy holidays Eric

Mike Gough <mahili_au@yahoo.com> wrote: G'day Eric,
I can answer some of your questions: If you would like more details let me know
Mike Gough goughs_au@yahoo.com.au (my browser underlines the whole address-there is an underscore_ between goughs and au)

----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 4:21:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Basic info

Hello all. I am the new owner of a 1982 maramu, hull number 150 I think. I did not get any factory manuals, or any information with or about the boat when I got it. I have gone through the vessel from bow to stern to try to learn all of its secrets, but I have a few(for now) basic questions.

Is there a factory manual, and if so how to get one. If I can't get it from the factory, I would reimburse any other owner the cost to copy theirs and ship it to me.I can provide you with an electronic copy of the manual I have (Maramu # 147) but it does not provide much detail. I am told the Amel service department is quite good, their email address is amel@amel.fr ,

The function of two of the 12 volt breakers, #5 and #8 counting down from the top of the panel. #5 has some type of figure with a green light next to it.This probably activates the clutch to drive the factory refrigeration. #8 is simply blank,This may supply power to the wind instruments and depth sounder. and I thought it might just be an extra, but it is wired to something. I turned them both on and off, but could not make anything light up, pump, or make any other noise.

Transmission type. The heat exchanger of sorts is rotted out and needs replacement. From the design it would appear that this is a common problem.I need to either buy a few, or have them fabricated out of something more durable, ie copper or brass. I have no idea of who supplies the transmission. The engine is a perkins 4-154.I have the same engine and probably same gearbox.(Hurth) The heat exchanger (bolts on to the side of the gearbox) was alloy and went the same way as yours. I had one built of stainless steel and put it back in the same place. Because the g.box housing is alloy I used plenty of Duralac between the two.

The rig tuning specifications, if they are available.Sorry can't help here. A good rigger may be the answer or help from Amel.

My boat does not have a generator, and I was considering installing a small one. Has anyone done this, if so recomended type and area of installation. I am thinking of something in the 4kw range installed in the engine room compartment if possible.I installed a 2kva genset but unconventional and probably not for everyone. I built in a Honda eu20 (petrol, air cooled!) It works well and is very quiet, providing enough for a small airconditioner, hot water but not enough for both at once. It is easily removable for servicing, situated against the port side of the boat in the cockpit locker. It took a lot of messing around to arrange exhausting, ventillation and safety for petrol on board but comes at around 20% the price of a diesel genset.

Thank you all. After crawling all through this boat, I can't tell you how impressed I am with its design and construction. Sales pamphlets are one way to get info, but getting down on your hands and knees really makes you appreciate things.

Eric Lindholm, "MARAMU"








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Basic info

Mike Gough <mahili_au@...>
 

G'day Eric,
I can answer some of your questions: If you would like more details let me know
Mike Gough goughs_au@yahoo.com.au (my browser underlines the whole address-there is an underscore_ between goughs and au)

----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 4:21:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Basic info

Hello all. I am the new owner of a 1982 maramu, hull number 150 I think. I did not get any factory manuals, or any information with or about the boat when I got it. I have gone through the vessel from bow to stern to try to learn all of its secrets, but I have a few(for now) basic questions.

Is there a factory manual, and if so how to get one. If I can't get it from the factory, I would reimburse any other owner the cost to copy theirs and ship it to me.I can provide you with an electronic copy of the manual I have (Maramu # 147) but it does not provide much detail. I am told the Amel service department is quite good, their email address is amel@amel.fr ,

The function of two of the 12 volt breakers, #5 and #8 counting down from the top of the panel. #5 has some type of figure with a green light next to it.This probably activates the clutch to drive the factory refrigeration. #8 is simply blank,This may supply power to the wind instruments and depth sounder. and I thought it might just be an extra, but it is wired to something. I turned them both on and off, but could not make anything light up, pump, or make any other noise.

Transmission type. The heat exchanger of sorts is rotted out and needs replacement. From the design it would appear that this is a common problem.I need to either buy a few, or have them fabricated out of something more durable, ie copper or brass. I have no idea of who supplies the transmission. The engine is a perkins 4-154.I have the same engine and probably same gearbox.(Hurth) The heat exchanger (bolts on to the side of the gearbox) was alloy and went the same way as yours. I had one built of stainless steel and put it back in the same place. Because the g.box housing is alloy I used plenty of Duralac between the two.

The rig tuning specifications, if they are available.Sorry can't help here. A good rigger may be the answer or help from Amel.

My boat does not have a generator, and I was considering installing a small one. Has anyone done this, if so recomended type and area of installation. I am thinking of something in the 4kw range installed in the engine room compartment if possible.I installed a 2kva genset but unconventional and probably not for everyone. I built in a Honda eu20 (petrol, air cooled!) It works well and is very quiet, providing enough for a small airconditioner, hot water but not enough for both at once. It is easily removable for servicing, situated against the port side of the boat in the cockpit locker. It took a lot of messing around to arrange exhausting, ventillation and safety for petrol on board but comes at around 20% the price of a diesel genset.

Thank you all. After crawling all through this boat, I can't tell you how impressed I am with its design and construction. Sales pamphlets are one way to get info, but getting down on your hands and knees really makes you appreciate things.

Eric Lindholm, "MARAMU"








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New aft cabin hatch

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello All,
We found the ventilation in the aft cabin very poor even with the aft
hatch wide open.So we bought a Vetus hatch and had it installed by a
freelance shipwright here in Malta.
He made up a teak mounting to go on the deck to provide a flat mount.
He sealed the balsa between the two layers of GRP with resin and then
cut a strip of white plastic and fixed that to the resin with contact
glue and made up mahogany frame to cover the underside in the cabin.
He had prefinished the mahogany with four coats of varnish.
The total cost was about £500stlg.
The opening is on the port side for two reasons. It is directly behind
the opening part of the windscreen and as we altered the aft cabin to
make a doublebunk across the boat with the pillow end on the starboard
side we did not want the draught or rain to disturb us.
The result is a huge improvement and we rarely open the aft hatch any
more.
We have added two pics at the end of the album SM319 in the photos
section of this site. (Nos 25 and 26).

Best wishes, Anne and John SM 319


FAN BELTS

pjppappas <pjppappas@...>
 

I am in the process of purchasing a 2002 SM. The engine is the 100hp
Yanmar and the generator is an Onan. I wish to change the fan belts
on both. Does anyone know the Gates number for the fan belts on the
engine and generator. Thank you. Peter Pappas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Super Maramu 2000 for sale in French Med.

PFM53 <pfm53@...>
 

I saw this mail and thought I would let you know (David) that I have a 1995
Super Maramu (PFM)for sale. Currently lying in Trinidad, in excellent
condition. You can get details (including a survey) at www.ecoconutinc.com.

Jerry

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Received: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:27:54 PM PST
From: "dmpaul60" <dmpaul60@yahoo.ca>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Super Maramu 2000 for sale in French Med.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John McDougall"
<j.c.mcdougall@b...> wrote:

I have an Amel 54 on order and my SM2000, "Silver Cloud" no 330,
launched May 2001 with Yanmar engine specification, is for sale.
This
is a very lightly used French Med boat in excellent condition. For
sale direct at a very attractive price with free berthing in Antibes
till Apr 2006 if required. Please email if interested.
John McDougall
Hello John,

We have been looking for a good used Amel for a good while. We would
like to have a new boat to us by February 06. Would you send us the
particulars on yours with as much info as possible.

Thanks David




Re: Super Maramu 2000 for sale in French Med.

John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
 

David,
Sorry but the boat is now sold.
John.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "dmpaul60" <dmpaul60@y...>
wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John McDougall"
<j.c.mcdougall@b...> wrote:

I have an Amel 54 on order and my SM2000, "Silver Cloud" no 330,
launched May 2001 with Yanmar engine specification, is for
sale.
This
is a very lightly used French Med boat in excellent condition.
For
sale direct at a very attractive price with free berthing in
Antibes
till Apr 2006 if required. Please email if interested.
John McDougall
Hello John,

We have been looking for a good used Amel for a good while. We
would
like to have a new boat to us by February 06. Would you send us
the
particulars on yours with as much info as possible.

Thanks David
David,



Re: Super Maramu 2000 for sale in French Med.

dmpaul60 <dmpaul60@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John McDougall"
<j.c.mcdougall@b...> wrote:

I have an Amel 54 on order and my SM2000, "Silver Cloud" no 330,
launched May 2001 with Yanmar engine specification, is for sale.
This
is a very lightly used French Med boat in excellent condition. For
sale direct at a very attractive price with free berthing in Antibes
till Apr 2006 if required. Please email if interested.
John McDougall
Hello John,

We have been looking for a good used Amel for a good while. We would
like to have a new boat to us by February 06. Would you send us the
particulars on yours with as much info as possible.

Thanks David


Re: Passage Help on Amel SM 2000

dmpaul60 <dmpaul60@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Bill <junk@u...> wrote:

I've been following this message board for some time. I'm having a
difficult time deciding between a well found catamaran and a well
found
mono hull such as the Amel SM 2000 or Amel 54 which is my
favorite. I
recently sailed a 56" Fountain-Pajot cat on a 1500 nm passage from
MD to
BVI and believe I understand their motion and other
characteristics. I
would like to sail on an Amel SMM in a similar way to compare and
make
my decision. If any one is in need of help on a passage please
contact
me. I'm a professional business owner with sailing experience.
More
info on request.

Bill Tarallo

John McDougall wrote:

I have an Amel 54 on order and my SM2000, "Silver Cloud" no 330,
launched May 2001 with Yanmar engine specification, is for sale.
This
is a very lightly used French Med boat in excellent condition.
For
sale direct at a very attractive price with free berthing in
Antibes
till Apr 2006 if required. Please email if interested.
John McDougall

This is a message for John McDougall. Would email me on your Amel
for sale at dmpaul@shaw.ca Thanks David





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Purchace of an Amel

dmpaul60 <dmpaul60@...>
 

We would like to buy an Amel for a world cruise and do not mind where
the boat is situated. We would like a 2000 to 2005 model. If anyone is
enterested in selling we would love to hear from you.
Thanks David and Marian


Re: Crash course on KIRK and EUROS

achimschroeder2005 <Achimschro@...>
 

Firstly, are there any general factors which are typical of Euros
and Kirk which one should be warned of (both positive and negative,
that
is), such as structural, behaviour under sail and/or motor,
rigging,
etc? On this forum there is a lot of info relating to Maramu, but
much less on Euros and Kirk. Maybe some current Maramu owners are
ex
Kirk and Euros owners...?!?

Second, any information, advice, photos or other media which can
help
me understand the boat which I may be about to purchase?

Third and last, how do these boats perform in light breeze...our
north Adriatic can kick up some serious gale force "Bora"....but
most
of the time the wind plays hard to get.

I understand these questions are very broad (and may be considered
vague by some) compared with the detail which I have been seeing in
messages belonging to this forum, but it's a starting
point ....then
we'll worry about the details!!!

Buon Vento (fair winds)
Mario etchuuuu
Hello Mario,

a short while ago I put some pictures of my Kirk # 81 in the photo
section. Already seen those ?

I own my Kirk now for three years and a good friend of mine own a
Kirk now for 20 years. So there is some experience with the boat
available.

Behaviour of a Kirk in light winds: Light downwind courses need a
spinaker or so upwind courses are no problem. The boat is best in
higher winds and also upwind. The boat ist relatively fast whem
compared on Yardstick. We do win club races quite frequently.

For more specific I suggest that you mail me direct. We have a lot of
photos and some drawings. Also there is plenty of information
regarding renovating a old boat.

If you are planning on using the aft cabin. It is possible for one
person but for the persons too small.

Regards from Hamburg, Germany

Achim Schröder

If you need more dtailed information please mail direct.


Re: Basic info

Zanareva
 

Eric,

Concerning the heat exchanger on the engine transmission, mine as well
had worn away. My Perkins has a Hurth transmission, and I contacted
Foley Engines (www.foleyengines.com or 800-23-FOLEY) and they sent out
an exact replacement. Ask to talk to Mr. Foley himself, he'll most
likely be able to tell you which model transmission you have if you
can describe it to him.

Richard Tate
SM #5 "Spice"


Crash course on KIRK and EUROS

etchuuuu <no_reply@...>
 

Hello, G'day, Buongiorno

About 2 years ago, as I was negotiating the purchase of a beautiful
Swedish yacht made by a now closed down boat yard called Vindo, I
read an article about Les Chantiers Amel, which amung other things,
reviewed the SM2000. Being a designer (and sailor, of course), I was
fascinated by the innovative approach of many solutions adopted in
this boat, so I made a concerted effort to see one "in the flesh". I
was driven by pure curiosity, of course, as this boat was well out of
range for me then (and still is). Incidentally, there was one being
exhibited at a boat show in Venice (Italy), which is where I live, so
I rushed off and succeeded in my quest. It really was as magnificent
as it appeared in print. In particular, I found it's hull
proportions and everything above the water to be exactly what I have
always idealized in a boat that size.

My Vindo negotiation was immediately put on standby as I investigated
this new "french" alternative, finding that Euros and Kirk although
evidently a different breed to SM2000, shared those lines and similar
proportions which I found so attractive in SM. Needless to say, KIRK
and Euros are much closer to my target in terms of size and price
too, and have the centre, sheltered cockpit, which is high on my
priority list.

I've been searching around Europe on what is available, at what
price, and after having "touched" about 6 craft and seen dozens in
various ads and classifieds, I have some very general questions.
There is unfortunately very little Amel information available,
compared with what other boat builders in similar categories offer on
past models, which is quite strange when compared to the resources
availble on web alone for boats such as Moody, Wauquiez etc.

Firstly, are there any general factors which are typical of Euros and
Kirk which one should be warned of (both positive and negative, that
is), such as structural, behaviour under sail and/or motor, rigging,
etc? On this forum there is a lot of info relating to Maramu, but
much less on Euros and Kirk. Maybe some current Maramu owners are ex
Kirk and Euros owners...?!?

Second, any information, advice, photos or other media which can help
me understand the boat which I may be about to purchase?

Third and last, how do these boats perform in light breeze...our
north Adriatic can kick up some serious gale force "Bora"....but most
of the time the wind plays hard to get.

I understand these questions are very broad (and may be considered
vague by some) compared with the detail which I have been seeing in
messages belonging to this forum, but it's a starting point ....then
we'll worry about the details!!!

Buon Vento (fair winds)
Mario etchuuuu


Basic info

Eric Lindholm
 

Hello all. I am the new owner of a 1982 maramu, hull number 150 I think. I did not get any factory manuals, or any information with or about the boat when I got it. I have gone through the vessel from bow to stern to try to learn all of its secrets, but I have a few(for now) basic questions.

Is there a factory manual, and if so how to get one. If I can't get it from the factory, I would reimburse any other owner the cost to copy theirs and ship it to me.

The function of two of the 12 volt breakers, #5 and #8 counting down from the top of the panel. #5 has some type of figure with a green light next to it. #8 is simply blank, and I thought it might just be an extra, but it is wired to something. I turned them both on and off, but could not make anything light up, pump, or make any other noise.

Transmission type. The heat exchanger of sorts is rotted out and needs replacement. From the design it would appear that this is a common problem.I need to either buy a few, or have them fabricated out of something more durable, ie copper or brass. I have no idea of who supplies the transmission. The engine is a perkins 4-154.

The rig tuning specifications, if they are available.

My boat does not have a generator, and I was considering installing a small one. Has anyone done this, if so recomended type and area of installation. I am thinking of something in the 4kw range installed in the engine room compartment if possible.

Thank you all. After crawling all through this boat, I can't tell you how impressed I am with its design and construction. Sales pamphlets are one way to get info, but getting down on your hands and knees really makes you appreciate things.

Eric Lindholm, "MARAMU"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] model identification

Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
 

Hi Duncan,

What year is she? The Supermaramu started in 1989 and is indeed 53' overall
(52'10" to be excact). The Maramu was smaller and preceded production of the
SM. There was a parallel production to the SM of a smaller boat called the
Santorin, which looked similar but was 46' overall.

Hope this helps

Ian Shepherd 'Crusader' SM's 299 & 414


Maramu chainplates

Mike Gough <mahili_au@...>
 

G'day,

Owner Maramu #147. Recently broke a rear mizzen chain plate. Factory design and built I think, formed part of a rear handrail. Heard a loud bang and the rig trembled. This was during a squall and fortunately nothing was lost. I have moved chain plates to the moulded toe rail so the result should be stronger than original. I warn other owners of Maramus of a similar vintage (1984) to be suspicious of the original design where rear balustrades form the anchor points for back stays.

Regards,
Mike Gough


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