Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater system, fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin ones. The original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full description of where all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this would be helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"

Dear Rob,

Thanks for the info.

We are interested in cruising with a heater and not running the engine or
sitting at a dock.

I guess Amel has –as always- made improvements to their boats as the owners
that I know that have the option are very happy with their heater.

I am still looking for some super maramu photos as I would like to add the
heater to my existing forced fresh air system.

Thanks

Eric





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From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric freedman" <kimberlt@o...> wro=
te:

does anyone have an espar heater installed on their Super Maramu?
i am looking for pictures of the installation.
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite

Dear Eric et al,

I am surprised that nobody has replied to your request. We own a Santorin =
"Khamsin
B" and it was fitted with an Espar unit. My partner Dennis has had 3 prev=
ious boats
with Espar units and they all proved problematic. being from a racing rath=
er than a
cruising background heating was in the past not such a priority for me.

Taking account of Dennis' experience we looked at alternatives. We decided=
that the
following was the way to go.

1. For in port where 230v shorepower is available - Marina berth - to use=
simple fan
heaters. The Forward cabin has this system from new. Incidentally, does a=
ny other
Santorin owner know where is the heater supposed to go? I have not figured=
out what
the original Amel concept is.

2. For Motor Sailing I am fitting a matrix heater under the companionway-=
à la car/
truck. Using the heat from the engine which would apart from the heat to t=
he
calorifier would be used to heat the sea. In broad terms from a diesel eng=
ine of 40kW
cruising at c.50% power ie 15/20kW; you have 30% of the energy to each of (=
i) the
power from the engine (ii) exhaust heat (iii) the cooling water and 10% in =
various
other losses noise, incomplete combustion etc. So why not use the c. 15kw =
to the
cooling to heat the boat. With normal engineering losses etc. or if you pr=
efer
buggeration factors there should be about 5/6kW available with this in mind=
I
selected a nominal 5.5kW matrix from which I expet to extract 3/4kW to the =
saloon.
Has any anyone else fitted a similar system?

3. With Dennis' experience in mind I am fitting a Mikuni unit in place of =
the
Eberspächer unit. We'll see how we make out with this unit.

Eric if it is any use to you I'll send you some photos of our installation.=
If you want
this as a poor second to a Super Maramu installation.

We also have a 1989 Amel Fango for sale if anyone is interested please let =
me know.

My e mail is "rob.molly@..."

Rob
Amel Santorin
"khamsin B" formerly "Fidelus"








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--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric freedman" <kimberlt@o...> wro=
te:

does anyone have an espar heater installed on their Super Maramu?
i am looking for pictures of the installation.
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite

Dear Eric et al,

I am surprised that nobody has replied to your request. We own a Santorin =
"Khamsin
B" and it was fitted with an Espar unit. My partner Dennis has had 3 prev=
ious boats
with Espar units and they all proved problematic. being from a racing rath=
er than a
cruising background heating was in the past not such a priority for me.

Taking account of Dennis' experience we looked at alternatives. We decided=
that the
following was the way to go.

1. For in port where 230v shorepower is available - Marina berth - to use=
simple fan
heaters. The Forward cabin has this system from new. Incidentally, does a=
ny other
Santorin owner know where is the heater supposed to go? I have not figured=
out what
the original Amel concept is.

2. For Motor Sailing I am fitting a matrix heater under the companionway-=
à la car/
truck. Using the heat from the engine which would apart from the heat to t=
he
calorifier would be used to heat the sea. In broad terms from a diesel eng=
ine of 40kW
cruising at c.50% power ie 15/20kW; you have 30% of the energy to each of (=
i) the
power from the engine (ii) exhaust heat (iii) the cooling water and 10% in =
various
other losses noise, incomplete combustion etc. So why not use the c. 15kw =
to the
cooling to heat the boat. With normal engineering losses etc. or if you pr=
efer
buggeration factors there should be about 5/6kW available with this in mind=
I
selected a nominal 5.5kW matrix from which I expet to extract 3/4kW to the =
saloon.
Has any anyone else fitted a similar system?

3. With Dennis' experience in mind I am fitting a Mikuni unit in place of =
the
Eberspächer unit. We'll see how we make out with this unit.

Eric if it is any use to you I'll send you some photos of our installation.=
If you want
this as a poor second to a Super Maramu installation.

We also have a 1989 Amel Fango for sale if anyone is interested please let =
me know.

My e mail is "rob.molly@..."

Rob
Amel Santorin
"khamsin B" formerly "Fidelus"

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

Doubtful. There aren't a large number of yachts there and it really isn't
"sailing" territory. Within Venice there are only motor boats (vaporetti) because
of the bridges and restrictions.
Charlie Cronheim
S/V MALAIKA II, SM 336
Roma, Italia

My wife and I will visiting Venice in early May. Does anyone know if
there's anyone that day-charters an Amel there?
Thanks
Richard Tate
SM #5 "Spice"

Vito,
When will you be in the BV'IS?
Eric

The batteries that come with the boat are mediocre at best. If you
got 2 1/2 years out of them you did good. I replaced my original set
this year with a set of group 27 trojans wich gace me 40 extra amps
(24v). They seem to be working well. I too use both chargers. I have
the 50 and the 30 amp. Maybe you have the 100 amp charger and it
should not be used in conjuction with the 30 amp. One thing that I
did notice is that the link 10 monitor for some reason resets itself
to a lower amp hour reading safter a few days. So that a full charge
rating may not be a full charge.

Vito Ciaravino

Wanderer

ASM 283



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<jfolino901@y...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Claude Roessiger
<nearlynothing@y...> wrote:

I have SM#308 and we are now on the third set of
batteries. (Incidentally, we were told that one could
run both chargers together, but that now seems
countermanded.) On my old Maramu I used to get 5 years
from batteries. I don't know the answer.
Claude Roessiger

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THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. I HAVE BEEN RUNNING BOTH CHARGERS. IS
THIS WRONG?
JOHN FOLINO SM #347, SULAJON

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Claude Roessiger
<nearlynothing@y...> wrote:

I have SM#308 and we are now on the third set of
batteries. (Incidentally, we were told that one could
run both chargers together, but that now seems
countermanded.) On my old Maramu I used to get 5 years
from batteries. I don't know the answer.
Claude Roessiger

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THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. I HAVE BEEN RUNNING BOTH CHARGERS. IS
THIS WRONG?
JOHN FOLINO SM #347, SULAJON

does anyone have an espar heater installed on their Super Maramu?
i am looking for pictures of the installation.
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite

I have SM#308 and we are now on the third set of
batteries. (Incidentally, we were told that one could
run both chargers together, but that now seems
countermanded.) On my old Maramu I used to get 5 years
from batteries. I don't know the answer.
Claude Roessiger

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I HAVE SM #347. THE HOUSE BATTERIES ARE QUICKLY COMING TO THERE END!
MY BOAT IS 2-1/2 YEARS OLD. SHE IS LOCATED IN THE CARIBBEAN. I NEVER
LET THE BATTERIES DISCHARGE BELOW 70% OF CAPACITY.
WHAT HAVE OTHERS EXPERIENCED FOR BATTERY LIFE? THE 9 BATTERIES ARE
AMEL STANDARD SEALED DELTAS AND ARE 105 AMPS EACH.
JOHN FOLINO

THIS BOAT WAS DELIVERED ON DEC 15, 2003 IN LA ROCHELLE AFTER WHICH
MYSELF AND THREE PROFESSIONAL SAILORS MADE THE CROSSING TO
GUADELOUPE. SHE PERFORMED BEAUTIFULLY. DUE TO AN UNEXPECTED CHANGE
IN OUR FAMILY SITUATION (A NEW BABY) WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GET THE USE THAT I EXPECTED WHEN I MADE THE DECISION TO PURCHASE
HER. MY LOSS IS YOUR GAIN. THIS BOAT IS ABSOLUTELY LOADED. THE
SAME BOAT TODAY WOULD COST $732,000 NOT INCLUDING DELIVERY TO THE US
OR CARIBBEAN. I AM WILLING TO ENTERTAIN REASONABLE OFFERS OVER
$615,000. THE BOAT WILL BE IN GUADELOUPE UNTIL MARCH 9TH. AFTER
MARCH 14TH SHE CAN BE VIEWED IN THE BVI'S UNTIL MARCH 25. AFTER
APRIL 2 SHE CAN BE VIEWED IN BEAUFORT, NC. IF INTERESTED PLEASE
CONTACT ME AT 813-951-3439 OR BY EMAIL AT wcreed2@.... SHE IS
U.S. DOCUMENTED.

GALLATEA SM 422 H3 04

I just wanted to write a note about our experience with "Linnea" our 2002
SM2000.

We started our full time cruising adventure close to two years ago. During
our 10,000+ miles of travel, we have met and talked with over 50 owners of
new yachts of all kinds of brands, many of them far more expensive than
Amel. Every single person we talk to has gone through some sort of
frustrating "teething problems", and they all consider it to be normal (!).
At the same time, we have not had any of these "teething problems" at all
with "Linnea". We have actually learned to tune down our praise of Amel, so
we won't hurt other peoples feelings or make them jealous...

In addition, whenever we contact Amel with any questions, they are prompt,
knowledgeable, friendly, and professional. The same also goes for Joel
Potter who helped us through the buying process and advised us on what
options to buy.

Without Amel building such a great boat and without Joel doing such a great
job at informing about it, we would have not had such a pleasant, safe, and
problem free cruising experience. So, from the whole Lundstrom cruising
family. THANK YOU!!!


Walter

S/Y Linnea (Hull no.366)
Gail, Walter, Tatiana, Drake & Rex Lundstrom

Hallo Amel owners,

As second owner of 'Kavanga', a 1992 Santorin, I am preparing the
boat this winter for a longer trip this sommer. In that proces I
want to overhaul the electric motors for the main sail and more in
particular the gear boxes attached to these motors.
The motor attached to the mast came off without any problem, but the
one attached to the boom gives me problems. Although I removed the
two screws it will not come off. I can feel coupling between the
Anderson line tender on top of the boom and the shaft coming out of
the gear box.
Is there anyone who knows the tric?

Best Regards,

Willem J. Kroes

Hi Randy,

Of course my mention of power supply should have been 220 volt not 200 volt.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused anyone by the typing error. There
is a convenient drain as well near the clothes washer dryer. My friends in
the refrigeration business say that the energy consumption difference
between top and side opening icemakers are truly negligible. The old style
side openers seem to be more reliable that the newer generation top opening
units. Being located closer to midships in the installation next to the
washer dryer would minimize the effects that heeling would have on spillage.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter
Amel Super Maramu # 400, MARY BROWN

Hello Joel,
We enjoyed your letter to Mrs Cronheim, and were
interested particularly in your comments pertaining to
icemakers. We, too, have considered installing an
icemaker but have gone no further than preliminary
thinking. We have wondered, however, whether an
icemaker which could be installed in the space
currently holding the dishwasher (which we never use).
That "box" already has a drain. Also, such an
installation would be somewhat more energy efficient,
as it would be "top-access" and the cold would not
spill out when one opened the door.
Do you know whether or not an icemaker's components
could be configured to fit into the dishwasher
enclosure?
Many thanks,
Randy Kilmon
"Drifter" SM 2000 #240




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Hello Joel,
We enjoyed your letter to Mrs Cronheim, and were
interested particularly in your comments pertaining to
icemakers. We, too, have considered installing an
icemaker but have gone no further than preliminary
thinking. We have wondered, however, whether an
icemaker which could be installed in the space
currently holding the dishwasher (which we never use).
That "box" already has a drain. Also, such an
installation would be somewhat more energy efficient,
as it would be "top-access" and the cold would not
spill out when one opened the door.
Do you know whether or not an icemaker's components
could be configured to fit into the dishwasher
enclosure?
Many thanks,
Randy Kilmon
"Drifter" SM 2000 #240




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