Hi,

We have Santorin 004 and our headlinings were in need of replacement after about 13/14 years due to the fact that it had been in Med and tropics all its life. The foam backing had crumbled away. As we could not afford to either have it replaced commercially and felt the AMEL lining, good as it is, was rather expensive we decided to do it ourselves. We bought the fabric, glues etc. in England and put it up ourselves using the old linings as patterns. It is an unpleasant, messy, job but quite possible to get a very good finish (I'm not sure if a professional would have done better but I would have to give them the benifit of the doubt.) and we saved a great deal of money. We know other Amel owners who have also done the same as well as owners of other builders boats. We understand that 10 year old Westerly Boats have the same problem.

Otherwise we think the Santorin is fantastic.

Go for it!

Robin and Maggie Cooter,
Belouga

Robi

restlessmen <john.stonier@btinternet.com> wrote:
I am in search of a SM or Santorin and I understand that after 10-12
years the ceiling foam padding deteriorates due to the heat and
requires a total replacment of the lining which Amel charges Euro
12,000 for.

Can anyone corfirm this, and from what date and build number,
particularily on the Santorin, is this no longer a problem. Presumably
Amel used a different material from then on.

Is there a cheaper fix for this ?

Are there any other maintenance issues I should be particularily aware
of while looking for a used Santorin ?

Many Thanks,

john Stonier






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Mark,
You might find it handy to add a triple 12 volt plug receptacle on the
nav station under the radar next to the lamp. It is available from
radio shack very cheap. I also added one at the dressing table in the
aft cabin. I hooked that one into the 12 volt TV power supply. It is
handy for charging phones, radios, ipods, and computers.
Fair winds,
Eric

I have found a source in the US for the 3-prong plugs used in the
Amel for the fan outlets and the 12 and 24 volt outlets at the nav
station. These are the Italian Btinico Spina 2P+T 10A plugs. They
can be purchased from Interpower as part number 88010771 for $8.87 by
calling 800-662-2290 . On the web, you can find this plug at
http://www.interpower.com/scripts/wsisa.dll/WService=ic/p80form.p?w_part=88010771

The ones I received from Interpower are identical to the extra plug
that Amel gave me. I hope this information is useful.

Mark Pitt "Sabbatical III" ASM #419

Hi Chuck, Sounds as though your problem is more serious than ours.
After returning to our boat which had been on the hard for four months, we discovered that the drum was frozen in position and would not turn at all. Without removing the machine we undertook some exploratory work. On the inside surface of the wash drum, there are two access cover plates. Upon removing the forwrd plate (closest to the salon settee) we discovered that soap deposits had crystalized inside the space to such an extent that it was impossibke to move the drum. After a good soak with WD40 we chipped out the soap concrete and gave the drum a vigerous tug which freed it up. We then ran an empty wash cycle to clean up the WD40 and it has worked fine every since. This doesn't sound like your problem but maybe some time in the future................

Regards, Ken
SM2000, 391

Hi Mark,

I don't want to get in a jackpot with the CLIMA guy here as
he is a good fellow. However, the head of CLIMA in Italy
was on my boat several years ago and told me, without
question, that 60 cycle power would not hurt the air
conditioner/heater. Matter of fact they put out 9000 BTU at
60 cycles because they run faster than when on 50 cycles
(8000 BTU) from the genset.

You may have shore power problems or the units may need
service/recharging with refrigerant. Get Eric to tell you
how to mount a voltmeter/cycle meter in front/ahead of your
220 volt circuit breaker board. You can then check shore
power before you energize the 220 volt panel by engaging the
master G.F.I.

The new 54 has a voltmeter now standard. By the time you
get your own 54 someday, I'm pretty sure there will be a
cycle meter as well.

All the best,
Joel
AMEL 54, HOLLIS, #14

Mark,

I had the same problem.

The capacitor on top of the raw water pump was fried. I got another one and
all has been fine since.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of markmpitt
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] problem with air conditioning



This is the first season that "Sabbatical III" (ASM #419) has been at
a marina slip in the US. After running the air conditioning for only
a few hours over the past week, I have been having a problem
with all three units. After running for 2 to 4 minutes, the
AC circuit breaker shuts off. Some units shut
off more quickly than other units. It does not matter
if I am running only one air conditioning unit and nothing
else on the 220 circuit -- the circuit breaker pops off. I can find
nothing wrong. The cooling water runs smoothly at all times
and the amperage draw does not spike before the circuit
breaker pops. The boat is plugged into 220 V 60 Hz
50 amp shore power. When I draw power from the generator, the same
thing happens. The AC worked great at the dock in June before I left
on a month-long cruise.

The technician at my marina called the Climma representative
in the US who told him that the problem most likely arose
from using 60 cycle power. He said that these units were meant
to only run at 50 cycles. He suggested that I replace the
start circuits and the capacitors and not run the air conditioning on
US shore power again.

The Amel owners manual explicitly says that the air conditioning
can be run at 50 or 60 Hz. Shall I go ahead and have the
start circuits and capacitors replaced and not run the unit
on 60 Hz power again, or is the US Climma representative wrong
about the source of the problem and the cure?

Mark Pitt, "Sabbatical III" ASM #419

Mark,
We had a problem with our AC on shore power while in Trinidad.
Apparently a voltage spike or other marina fault was to blame. It
fried the big capacitor on top of the water circulation pump. We
found a replaccement with the same specs, and it has worked fine
since. (The replacement wasn't the one from Climma, and was about
1/3 the price, or less.)
When the capacitor is blown, the pump doesn't run at all, but check
to see if it is overheating. If so, the box on top of the pump will
be very hot to the touch.
The Climma factory authorised person in Trinidad, by the way, didn't
feel that the frequency should affewct operation.
Good luck,
Bill Nation
Sogno di Mare
SM2K #404

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "markmpitt" <mark_pitt@...>
wrote:

This is the first season that "Sabbatical III" (ASM #419) has been

at

a marina slip in the US. After running the air conditioning for

only

a few hours over the past week, I have been having a problem
with all three units. After running for 2 to 4 minutes, the
AC circuit breaker shuts off. Some units shut
off more quickly than other units. It does not matter
if I am running only one air conditioning unit and nothing
else on the 220 circuit -- the circuit breaker pops off. I can

find

nothing wrong. The cooling water runs smoothly at all times
and the amperage draw does not spike before the circuit
breaker pops. The boat is plugged into 220 V 60 Hz
50 amp shore power. When I draw power from the generator, the same
thing happens. The AC worked great at the dock in June before I

left

on a month-long cruise.

The technician at my marina called the Climma representative
in the US who told him that the problem most likely arose
from using 60 cycle power. He said that these units were meant
to only run at 50 cycles. He suggested that I replace the
start circuits and the capacitors and not run the air conditioning

on

US shore power again.

The Amel owners manual explicitly says that the air conditioning
can be run at 50 or 60 Hz. Shall I go ahead and have the
start circuits and capacitors replaced and not run the unit
on 60 Hz power again, or is the US Climma representative wrong
about the source of the problem and the cure?

Mark Pitt, "Sabbatical III" ASM #419

This is the first season that "Sabbatical III" (ASM #419) has been at
a marina slip in the US. After running the air conditioning for only
a few hours over the past week, I have been having a problem
with all three units. After running for 2 to 4 minutes, the
AC circuit breaker shuts off. Some units shut
off more quickly than other units. It does not matter
if I am running only one air conditioning unit and nothing
else on the 220 circuit -- the circuit breaker pops off. I can find
nothing wrong. The cooling water runs smoothly at all times
and the amperage draw does not spike before the circuit
breaker pops. The boat is plugged into 220 V 60 Hz
50 amp shore power. When I draw power from the generator, the same
thing happens. The AC worked great at the dock in June before I left
on a month-long cruise.

The technician at my marina called the Climma representative
in the US who told him that the problem most likely arose
from using 60 cycle power. He said that these units were meant
to only run at 50 cycles. He suggested that I replace the
start circuits and the capacitors and not run the air conditioning on
US shore power again.

The Amel owners manual explicitly says that the air conditioning
can be run at 50 or 60 Hz. Shall I go ahead and have the
start circuits and capacitors replaced and not run the unit
on 60 Hz power again, or is the US Climma representative wrong
about the source of the problem and the cure?

Mark Pitt, "Sabbatical III" ASM #419

Hi Ken,
Yes, that's exactly what happened. I had the thing apart once,
fairly early on, and noticed there was water leaking down onto the
main drum bearings from the dryer heating element passage. I tried
to seal off the offending joints in the duct work, but to no
avail.... We have had the machine pulled and worked on by a local
guy here in New Zealand (we're living in Invercargill, the boat is
in Nelson), and even ordered the parts from Amel, but ran into a
glitch when they only sent one drum bearing instead of two. If we
install the second bearing it will wind up being more money than a
new machine so I would now prefer to suck it up and get the new
machine, putting it down to experience regarding the moneys already
spent. (Just one of the many steep learning curves of boat
ownership.)
Regards,
Chuck Luecker
SM390 "Revelation"

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Burnap" <notrevie@...>
wrote:

I'm wondering if your machine drum froze in place and refuses to

turn by

hand - if so, I may have the fix for you.

Ken Burnap
s/v Notre Vie, sm391

Where are you located?

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cluecker
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sourcing Laundry



Our washing machine has given up the ghost and we're trying to source
a new one. Does anyone have any leads? It was a 2002
Thomson "Australe" model. Thanks, Chuck

I'm wondering if your machine drum froze in place and refuses to turn by hand - if so, I may have the fix for you.

Ken Burnap
s/v Notre Vie, sm391

Ian,

You do realize that Yahoo! strips out email addresses from the body
of postings. Only the first few letters of each email address are
visible to readers of your postings, so it is impossible to
determine your new email address or your text-only email address.

Judy
S/V Security
SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <ocean53@...>
wrote:

Just to let you know that I have had enough of CompuServe and all

the spam

That is generated there. So from today, my g4ljf@... address will



Be closed and only ocean53@... will remain as my 'on land'
E-mail
Address. Sorry to trouble you, but please take a moment to update

your

Address book.

At sea, g4ljf@... is still my e-mail address, but please remember
That this address will handle text only and that when replying,

the original

Text must be deleted before sending.

Regards

Ian Shepherd

Our washing machine has given up the ghost and we're trying to source
a new one. Does anyone have any leads? It was a 2002
Thomson "Australe" model. Thanks, Chuck

Hello Mr. Stonier,

The change from synthetic foam backing that fails with heat
cycling to 100% cotton/felt backing which doesn't, occurred
on all boats built after September 1, 1992.

If you search this sites archives, there are some postings
on this problem.

Good luck,

Joel F. Potter, AMEL 54, hull # 14 - HOLLIS

I am in search of a SM or Santorin and I understand that after 10-12
years the ceiling foam padding deteriorates due to the heat and
requires a total replacment of the lining which Amel charges Euro
12,000 for.

Can anyone corfirm this, and from what date and build number,
particularily on the Santorin, is this no longer a problem. Presumably
Amel used a different material from then on.

Is there a cheaper fix for this ?

Are there any other maintenance issues I should be particularily aware
of while looking for a used Santorin ?

Many Thanks,

john Stonier

I have been having an intermittent problem with my chain counter readout.
Suddenly it stops working, usually after the boat has been hosed down with
fresh water. Given a day in the sun, it works normally again. I have checked
the wiring and it is completely dry and corrosion free, and professionally
sealed.

However, on the left side of the black coloured sensor that is attached to
the windlass, there are two uncovered holes, which I suspect may be where
water is getting in and causing the trouble. Can anyone tell me whether
these holes are covered over on their boat, maybe with rubber bungs? The
forward hole has an orange plastic surface behind it, but the other hole has
what looks like Alan screws or something similar. Maybe these holes are left
uncovered for a good reason? Any thoughts?

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader

The fishfinder transponder needs to be located more or less forward
of the keel and pointing straight down rather than perpendicular to
the shape of the hull (otherwise the depth inaccuracy due to the
offset can be quite material). Being a single skin hull, even though
quite thick, the reception of signal is quite clear, so a thru-hull
may not be necessary. If mounted internally, the transponder needs to
be glued to the hull with a rigid compound like epoxy, not a flexible
material which would absorb signal. Before, gluing, test the position
by placing the transponder in water, and we found that a plastic bag
filled with water and placed over the top of it worked well.

Regards, Roger, Zorba, Mango 28

I am installing a fish finder for my nav net sytstem aboard Callisto
SM 2000 #369. I need to install an addtional through hull for the
sounder. Does anyone know the best location for the fish finder
sounder. thands Peter Pappas Ensenada Mexico

I have to replace the mainhalyard on my sm#349. The prior owner had cut off the majority of the halyard and it is hooked to a slide on a t-track on the mast. The halyard is less than 7/16 inches?!. DOes anyone know the sheeve size for the main halyard and the proper diam. of the original or recommended halyard? Thanks, murray seidel "Sundance" sm 349

Hi Thomas,
Check with Complete Yacht Service in Fort Lauderdale (954) 462-6977, the local Perkins dealer.

Steve Leeds
Sharki # 121
Circumnavigator's Yacht Service
Fort Lauderdale
http://bellsouthpwp2.net/l/e/leedss/

smneurolept <smneurolept@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have a 1992 Super Maramu in Ft. Lauderdale and need to replace
the manifold and oil cooler. It appears so far that the only source
of parts for the engine, Perkins Prima 80T, are from UK. The parts
are close to the price of a new engine. I was wondering if anyone has
repowered here in Ft. Lauderdale, what engine they used, and a
reputable yard to do the work. If anyone knows of a rebuilt or surplus
engine locally that would be even better. Thanks for any assistance.
Thomas






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