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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi John are you staying at Brunswick landing Marina l miss the free beer!  Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <john.biohead@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Hello Orion,
    Welcome to the group.   To go straight to your question;  no,  Amels are not more expensive than other yachts in a similar class. (I can speak authoritatively for Super Maramus and Santorins)    Yes they are quirky....but in a functional way that you will appreciate.  My experience with my SM, Annie, a 1990 model has been entirely positive.  Yes some stuff breaks, but I don't think I have spent any real money on "broken" items.  I did update the electronics, add a second autopilot and solar arch. Those cost a bit, but I consider them wants not needs.   My insurance wanted the standing rig updated so I had it replaced after I purchased the vessel, cost would be the same for any vessel in the same class. 
  I probably could have done none of the above and still had a near perfect sailing yacht.    My equipment failure list in the last three years and 13000 NM sailing is a bilge pump(Amel rebuild kit $100) SW impeller on main engine...failed and melted the muffler(most SMs have a SS muffler I had plastic) repair cost $34 + $300, genoa sail seam split at top of sail 2x, cost about $150 to repair each time, mainsail furler gears ($23 for gears $70 for machine shop to get the old gear out.), frig compressor, replaced with off the shelf bolt in upgrade($800).   Generator SW impeller ($34)  My boat came with set of spare sails so no down time. Most recently the genoa sheet car failed. Replacement cost is between $125(Ebay) and $450(Antal) for a replacement.  Not too bad for three years and near constant sailing. 

My Amel Journey:
I planned for my "big boat" purchase for several years before committing.   I remember I had read about Amels at one point.  The author thought they were innovative, but too complicated to be practical...so I didn't pursue them further.  But I know now that God and Henri have mysterious ways.  Years later on one particular afternoon I took a friend to the hospital for an outpatient procedure.  I had a couple of hours to kill while waiting and went for a walk at the local marina.  There I saw a strikingly beautiful boat. ...you know the saying  "one look is all it took."  I looked up the boat, she was an Amel 64...priced in the "double digits" at the time...you know price is 1.5M .  No I could not afford that Amel, but it completely rearranged my view of the brand  stuck in my head. 

A year or two later I was zeroing in on buying an Irwin 68 when just like you I too discovered SV Delos on YouTube.  Looking at Delos I thought wow that is one cool boat....didn't pick up on it being an Amel for a little while.  I think it was some episode where Brian was recounting discovering Delos where I realized what Delos was..  Like me he said he was hooked at the first glance.  I started researching the brand with more diligence and became really impressed.   Just like you, I joined the Amel Owners Forum as it was called at the time, and was referred to a fellow named Joel Potter. He was the Amel dealer/broker for North America.  I called him and we talked for over two hours.  He did not have an Amel that met my price point but still gave me hours of advice and pointers on what to look for.  He even gave me inside info on Amel's I was interested in...he is a resource and a really good guy to talk to.  

The first Amel I saw in the flesh was in Virginia.  I had already arranged to look at an SM in Portugal but my GF at the time thought I was crazy to think about flying to the EU and buying a boat I had never seen.  We found a boat for sale in VA that was priced too high for me but was in brokerage and available to visit. We took a weekend and drove up to look at it.  Needless to say the GF was blown away...me I was just saying yes...this is what I want. The boat was in OK condition but had a few issues.  It wasn't the right one for me BUT it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Amels.  That weekend we looked at Passports, Island Packets, Freedoms, a Manson, a Cabo, a couple of Hans Christians, and....yes a Beneteau.   Nothing compared to that Amel. The very nice broker who gave us the boat show saw our feelings and admitted to us...once you see the Amel you are done.  
So my advice:   Like you, I somewhat superficially fixated on the Delos model, the SM2K.  They were made from 1999 to 2005.  Amel started making Super Maramus in 1989.   I would not restrict myself to considering just the later years.  I got a good deal on Annie...the previous owner's offered price made me take a look at her even though she was an older SM, and at the time not in my window of consideration.  She was perfect.  Now after a few years and hanging out with other SM owners most with newer models, I am actually happy that I bought Annie and not a newer SM.  She retains more of the expedition yacht features than the later SMs and in my opinion has more character inside....wood floors, ceiling trim boards, older more robust furling mechanisms...and some cool sailing history.  

That is another thing you get with an Amel.  You are the custodian/care taker of the boat as much as you are the owner.  I still maintain correspondence with the previous owners who sailed Annie for 16 years...and they maintain contact with the original owner.  I email them from time to time with pictures of the boat and us frolicking.    When I sail into Le Marin and talk to Alban at the Amel service center, he knows the boat and maintains a record of  the entire history of the vessel.  Every time I come back he asks me what I have done with the boat since we last met.  Remember now this is a 30 year old vessel ...and he still maintains a file on her.  The Amel community is very engaging and attentive.

Well my email is getting too long.  In closing , yes you are making an excellent choice to consider Amel.  The SM was made without significant changes for 16 years.  It is a proven design and to date none have ever been lost at sea.   Also, by now probably most have circumnavigated.  Find that in any other brand.    There are a ton of resources and people to support you should you buy an Amel.  In addition to Joel Potter, I suggest you speak to Bill Rouse who runs this Group and also an Amel yacht centric consulting business.  He is an invaluable resource now and when you are ready to purchase.  

      Regards,  John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
Brunswick GA




On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.

Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

ngtnewington Newington
 

I would check the mixing elbow for carbon build up. Take it off and chip out the build up. Then check the whole exhaust system. Pretty sure that low load running ie battery charging will cause this build up.
Nick
Amelia in the Ionian
AML 54-019


On 22 Aug 2019, at 16:58, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hello Jose.
We had similar carbon discharge from the Onan during spring start up, powder as well as chunks of carbon. Ultimately the Onan would not start. Opening up the exhaust mixing elbow revealed huge carbon buildup leaving only about 1 cm diameter air passage for the exhaust. Not at all uncommon when marine diesels are not run periodically under high load. That would be the first place I would look.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

John Clark
 

I concur. 


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:34 AM Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

The first and best step to buy an amel is not to save the cost for an appraiser who is really familiar with Amel 

( atlantic Yachtservey oliver Beteue Group Member) 

You will learn more about an Amel in 2 days than you find out in 5 years alone. 

Maintenance is not more expensive ( SM ) than with other ships of this size, and Amel still has the important parts for the SM in stock. 

In addition, this group helps to find bugs quickly and gives advice to repair them. 

we have our SM BJ 1998 now 5 years and had no special problems. 

Let's get a pump for the climate situation times the AP but these are things that happen to you on every ship at the age of 20 


Greetings SM Balu s. 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

John Clark
 

Hello Orion,
    Welcome to the group.   To go straight to your question;  no,  Amels are not more expensive than other yachts in a similar class. (I can speak authoritatively for Super Maramus and Santorins)    Yes they are quirky....but in a functional way that you will appreciate.  My experience with my SM, Annie, a 1990 model has been entirely positive.  Yes some stuff breaks, but I don't think I have spent any real money on "broken" items.  I did update the electronics, add a second autopilot and solar arch. Those cost a bit, but I consider them wants not needs.   My insurance wanted the standing rig updated so I had it replaced after I purchased the vessel, cost would be the same for any vessel in the same class. 
  I probably could have done none of the above and still had a near perfect sailing yacht.    My equipment failure list in the last three years and 13000 NM sailing is a bilge pump(Amel rebuild kit $100) SW impeller on main engine...failed and melted the muffler(most SMs have a SS muffler I had plastic) repair cost $34 + $300, genoa sail seam split at top of sail 2x, cost about $150 to repair each time, mainsail furler gears ($23 for gears $70 for machine shop to get the old gear out.), frig compressor, replaced with off the shelf bolt in upgrade($800).   Generator SW impeller ($34)  My boat came with set of spare sails so no down time. Most recently the genoa sheet car failed. Replacement cost is between $125(Ebay) and $450(Antal) for a replacement.  Not too bad for three years and near constant sailing. 

My Amel Journey:
I planned for my "big boat" purchase for several years before committing.   I remember I had read about Amels at one point.  The author thought they were innovative, but too complicated to be practical...so I didn't pursue them further.  But I know now that God and Henri have mysterious ways.  Years later on one particular afternoon I took a friend to the hospital for an outpatient procedure.  I had a couple of hours to kill while waiting and went for a walk at the local marina.  There I saw a strikingly beautiful boat. ...you know the saying  "one look is all it took."  I looked up the boat, she was an Amel 64...priced in the "double digits" at the time...you know price is 1.5M .  No I could not afford that Amel, but it completely rearranged my view of the brand  stuck in my head. 

A year or two later I was zeroing in on buying an Irwin 68 when just like you I too discovered SV Delos on YouTube.  Looking at Delos I thought wow that is one cool boat....didn't pick up on it being an Amel for a little while.  I think it was some episode where Brian was recounting discovering Delos where I realized what Delos was..  Like me he said he was hooked at the first glance.  I started researching the brand with more diligence and became really impressed.   Just like you, I joined the Amel Owners Forum as it was called at the time, and was referred to a fellow named Joel Potter. He was the Amel dealer/broker for North America.  I called him and we talked for over two hours.  He did not have an Amel that met my price point but still gave me hours of advice and pointers on what to look for.  He even gave me inside info on Amel's I was interested in...he is a resource and a really good guy to talk to.  

The first Amel I saw in the flesh was in Virginia.  I had already arranged to look at an SM in Portugal but my GF at the time thought I was crazy to think about flying to the EU and buying a boat I had never seen.  We found a boat for sale in VA that was priced too high for me but was in brokerage and available to visit. We took a weekend and drove up to look at it.  Needless to say the GF was blown away...me I was just saying yes...this is what I want. The boat was in OK condition but had a few issues.  It wasn't the right one for me BUT it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Amels.  That weekend we looked at Passports, Island Packets, Freedoms, a Manson, a Cabo, a couple of Hans Christians, and....yes a Beneteau.   Nothing compared to that Amel. The very nice broker who gave us the boat show saw our feelings and admitted to us...once you see the Amel you are done.  
So my advice:   Like you, I somewhat superficially fixated on the Delos model, the SM2K.  They were made from 1999 to 2005.  Amel started making Super Maramus in 1989.   I would not restrict myself to considering just the later years.  I got a good deal on Annie...the previous owner's offered price made me take a look at her even though she was an older SM, and at the time not in my window of consideration.  She was perfect.  Now after a few years and hanging out with other SM owners most with newer models, I am actually happy that I bought Annie and not a newer SM.  She retains more of the expedition yacht features than the later SMs and in my opinion has more character inside....wood floors, ceiling trim boards, older more robust furling mechanisms...and some cool sailing history.  

That is another thing you get with an Amel.  You are the custodian/care taker of the boat as much as you are the owner.  I still maintain correspondence with the previous owners who sailed Annie for 16 years...and they maintain contact with the original owner.  I email them from time to time with pictures of the boat and us frolicking.    When I sail into Le Marin and talk to Alban at the Amel service center, he knows the boat and maintains a record of  the entire history of the vessel.  Every time I come back he asks me what I have done with the boat since we last met.  Remember now this is a 30 year old vessel ...and he still maintains a file on her.  The Amel community is very engaging and attentive.

Well my email is getting too long.  In closing , yes you are making an excellent choice to consider Amel.  The SM was made without significant changes for 16 years.  It is a proven design and to date none have ever been lost at sea.   Also, by now probably most have circumnavigated.  Find that in any other brand.    There are a ton of resources and people to support you should you buy an Amel.  In addition to Joel Potter, I suggest you speak to Bill Rouse who runs this Group and also an Amel yacht centric consulting business.  He is an invaluable resource now and when you are ready to purchase.  

      Regards,  John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
Brunswick GA




On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.

Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Elja
I have printed out and given him the wire diagrams of his Yanmar engine.
I guess he has switched off the starter switch and so the stop switch has no current anymore.
At last that shows the diagrams.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Paul Brown
 

Hello, I am an owner of an Amel 55 2013 for the last 16 months and previously for the last 16 years owned 4 other larger boats. All boats can be expensive to maintain and have a basic maintenance requirement. Amel from my experience is an extremely well founded and produced boat, better than most and certainly one of the best all time blue water cruisers. If you were to buy, in my opinion a well maintained, free of issues and well loved Amel SM 54 or 55 you would enjoy its performance and simply need to keep her loved and well maintained. Use an excellent surveyor that knows Amel as a specialty 

Best regards, Paul - Fortuna II 55#17


On 22 Aug 2019, at 5:45 am, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.

Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Jose.
We had similar carbon discharge from the Onan during spring start up, powder as well as chunks of carbon. Ultimately the Onan would not start. Opening up the exhaust mixing elbow revealed huge carbon buildup leaving only about 1 cm diameter air passage for the exhaust. Not at all uncommon when marine diesels are not run periodically under high load. That would be the first place I would look.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Scott SV Tengah
 

My old outhaul gearbox came with greasing points and it looked like it was that way from the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the bulbous cover that encapsulates the outhaul gearbox and motor is riveted on, so it's not designed for you to remove and service it. By the time I opened it, it was too late. I see that some of the older 54s have the outhaul gearbox/motor exposed, similar to the SMs. 

When I replaced the bulbous cover, I made two changes:

1) Drilled a few holes in the bottom so that water could drain out. Even if the cover is waterproof, water will enter from the vertical drive shaft and there isn't a way for it to get out. It became a saltwater bathtub.

2) Rather than use rivets, I got some tef-gel, liberally coated some stainless screws and screwed the cover back on. I know stainless screws on the aluminum boom isn't ideal, but I've been monitoring it and it seems the tef-gel is doing its job.

FYI, my new gearbox was not painted. That is, unless they painted it metal colored? :) And as I mentioned, it appears to be sealed and filled with gear oil.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Mark Erdos
 

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

)

Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Mohammad,

I changed mine last year whilst in Albania, the worm gear inside the gear box stripped when we were in Croatia. Amel Hyeres sent me a complete new gear box and I followed the forum post instructions by Alexandre to remove the old box. I could not get anyone to help me until I got to Albania, couple of trawler mechanics who understood about using a jack braced on the deck to push the drive pin out which was really seized into the box.
The old box was still full of the original grease so no need to service your new box. The old box had a good paint job/powder coating, the new box has a poor quality paint finish.
Whilst here in Antibes I am getting a paint mixed and then getting some spray can attachments to touch up all my small spots on the mast and boom that have started to bubble. I will also re-paint the boom gear box - sealer then primer and then top coat.
I am collecting this painting gear this later today and will send you the details.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel. 54. #17
Antibes,  France

On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:16:42 PM GMT+2, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Thanks Olivier for you very clear explanation.

Possibly the worm and bronze gears inside the gearbox are jammed for two reasons:

The bronze gear is very worn...AND...the helmsperson jammed the outhaul car against the track end-stop. I am fairly sure that you will need a gearbox overhaul or replacement, but you might try removing the end-stop to reduce the jammed pressure on the gears. Be careful not to operate the car too far forward, jamming it against the stop, or beyond the stop. With a worn bronze gear, this jamming will lock the gearbox. I have seen this happen on 54s and even a 2 year old 55. Be especially cautious with new crew as they will almost always misuse/abuse this. 

SM owners may not understand this, but most of this issue is because of a change in gearboxes and motors which is sleeker and better looking, but apparently doesn't take the accidental misuse/abuse that a SM  will take. But, of course, I have also seen accidental misuse kill a SM gearbox. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:40 AM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Stefan,

the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse.

There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for).
If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!).

It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel".
If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...).

Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks.


Olivier

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

The first and best step to buy an amel is not to save the cost for an appraiser who is really familiar with Amel 

( atlantic Yachtservey oliver Beteue Group Member) 

You will learn more about an Amel in 2 days than you find out in 5 years alone. 

Maintenance is not more expensive ( SM ) than with other ships of this size, and Amel still has the important parts for the SM in stock. 

In addition, this group helps to find bugs quickly and gives advice to repair them. 

we have our SM BJ 1998 now 5 years and had no special problems. 

Let's get a pump for the climate situation times the AP but these are things that happen to you on every ship at the age of 20 


Greetings SM Balu s. 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Mark Erdos
 

Orion,

 

I think you will find the cost and maintenance on Amel boats to be considerably less than others, especially those you mention, Moody and Oyster. When reading this forum, a person needs to keep in mind there are over 1,000 participants and for the most part very few serious complaints about our vessels. All boats will break. The question you should ask yourself is how easy it is to fix. A stand up engine room with access to all sides of both the engine and genset, access to all electronics and steering components, a bow-thruster than can be service while the vessel in the water, a sea-chest to minimize through-hulls and watertight compartments are some of the features that make Amel such attractive boats for serious world cruisers. In addition, the support we receive from Amel for parts is second to none. They are a first-class operation.

 

Perhaps you should research further. For example, take a look at the Pacific Puddle Jump recaps. http://www.pacificpuddlejump.com/articles.html They list all the boats and the things that broke during the ocean crossing. An example of an Oyster: failures of Autohelm; seacock; spin pole track; waterpump; mainsail clew shackle failed. Three of these are pretty serious.

 

High cost of maintenance is a given for ALL boats. They are expensive high maintenance divas. Bill Rouse posted an entire budget for a 10 year circumnavigation on his Amel documenting every penny spent. I challenge you to find any other brand of vessel on a 10-year voyage that was meticulously maintained for an average of $9,000 per year. http://svbebe.blogspot.com/p/costs.html

 

I really do not understand how you are coming to the conclusion Amel boats have higher cost of maintenance and downtime.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.

Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

 

Thanks Olivier for you very clear explanation.

Possibly the worm and bronze gears inside the gearbox are jammed for two reasons:

The bronze gear is very worn...AND...the helmsperson jammed the outhaul car against the track end-stop. I am fairly sure that you will need a gearbox overhaul or replacement, but you might try removing the end-stop to reduce the jammed pressure on the gears. Be careful not to operate the car too far forward, jamming it against the stop, or beyond the stop. With a worn bronze gear, this jamming will lock the gearbox. I have seen this happen on 54s and even a 2 year old 55. Be especially cautious with new crew as they will almost always misuse/abuse this. 

SM owners may not understand this, but most of this issue is because of a change in gearboxes and motors which is sleeker and better looking, but apparently doesn't take the accidental misuse/abuse that a SM  will take. But, of course, I have also seen accidental misuse kill a SM gearbox. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:40 AM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Stefan,

the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse.

There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for).
If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!).

It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel".
If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...).

Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks.


Olivier

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Ian Park
 

Hi and welcome to the group.

Yes, reading the posts gives the impression that AMELs are a constant maintenance boat.
Not true. It is just the helpful nature of this particular group that folk feel they always get instant first class help if a problem occurs or a maintenance job comes up they haven’t attempted themselves before.
Others will give you the same advice, when choosing an Amel get someone who really knows the boat to survey it. (I didn’t but have been lucky).
Yes, the boat is very different to other boats so owners do ask a lot of questions.
I looked at an Oyster 435 before got my Santorin. I’ve got much the better boat.
You will spend at least two years really getting to know the systems, but then a good annual maintenance schedule will give you the ultimate short handed ocean cruiser around (personal opinion after 5 years ownership).

Best of luck with your plans

Re: start stop engine

 

Find the red lever on the port side of the engine. Manually turn it until engine stops. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:11 AM Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:
Hallo Gerhard
Maby you can help ouer frend he is in Kalamata Marina peer B Nr 9 ore so the SM 2000
Best Elja
SM Balu
222 peer B 11

Von meinem iPhone gesendet



Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.

Re: KVH TracPhone V3 for sale

Massimo Vecchietti
 

Look the offer of IRIDIUM GO  from Predict Wind
Max

Il Lun 19 Ago 2019, 08:25 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> ha scritto:

Hi all,

 

I’m looking at changing my KVH TracPhone V3 for an Iridium system. If anyone is interested in taking the KVH please contact me on paul dot dowd at fgps.com.

 

I am also looking for recommendations for an Iridium system for general internet access and voice. The boat is currently in Grenada.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Wintering location Adriatic

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Craig. I’ll look into it.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Greetings Mohammad & Aty,
Nautec Mare in Montfalcone is excellent. Totally protected up the river, nearby airport and high quality work of any type you may need.
Best regards, Craig

Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Is there is a routine maintenance schedule required/recommended for the outhaul/furler gear boxes? If so, I would appreciate some info on interval and procedure.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Stephen the most difficult part of changing the Gear box is getting the old one off you MUST have a GOOD gear puller with multiple 'teeth' to get a hold of the old box it is in a difficult position.  I believe there is a detailed description and instructions on how and what you need in Bill's manual.  It took me hours to get if off without the proper tools no fun at all.  Everything else was easy.  Good luck and yes you do NOT use the spacer.
Cheers
Courtney
'Trippin'
54 #101 
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Schaufert <mail@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto

Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Bill,

For your information the kit is very very  easy to make by your self, for only some dollars ...

I buy the seals for over 10 years at 123roulements with prices and delivering time that I found very pleasant ...

Bill, "tout est possible dans un monde infini...." (all is possible in an infinite world ....)

Fair Wind


Le 21/08/2019 à 16:59, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Jean Luc,

The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel.
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Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ?

Jean Luc


Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Paul,

I think that  www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros.

My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
hello all, I’m inquiring please  for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?

thank you for your time 

regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17

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