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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

 

The normal amp draw of the FlowJet 4105-512 12VDC is 1.2. I assume that the "starting amperage" is momentarily higher. Considering everything, including voltage fluctuations when charging, maybe a 2 amp fuse is a little small.

I agree with you about installing multiple relays to replace the really nicely designed Frigoboat E51385 pump controller. If I had to replace the  E51385 with multiple relays, I would want to design an enclosure for the relays and a fuse for the load.

I have seen the E51385 for sale. I was probably old stock. 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
Thanks for that info Bill. I did not realize what changes have been made.
I would want to retain the blue box, as it is far simpler for us Amelians who have factory systems. Converting to relays and all the associated wiring would not be much fun.
Fortunately, I have had not issues with it, other than I had to go to a 3A fuse vs 2A. The 2A kept blowing unexpectedly - maybe an age thing there as the systems start to draw more current.
Jamie
A54 Phantom


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Jamie Wendell
 

Thanks for that info Bill. I did not realize what changes have been made.
I would want to retain the blue box, as it is far simpler for us Amelians who have factory systems. Converting to relays and all the associated wiring would not be much fun.
Fortunately, I have had not issues with it, other than I had to go to a 3A fuse vs 2A. The 2A kept blowing unexpectedly - maybe an age thing there as the systems start to draw more current.
Jamie
A54 Phantom


Re: A54 rudder removal

 

Tom,

I don't believe there is a safe answer to your question. For example if you are at anchor with the boat rocking fore to aft, obviously you should not attempt this job. 

The packing should be above the waterline, buI have seen Amels so overloaded that it is not safe to use the bow thruster in the water tool. 

Since many Amels are overloaded and even calm marinas can have surges, I would do this job when out of the water, but I know that Amel Martinique has done this in the water. 

Each owner should evaluate his situation.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 AM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
Does that advice pertain to the SM also? Or does changing the packing require a haul-out?
Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique 


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: A54 rudder removal

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Bill,
Does that advice pertain to the SM also? Or does changing the packing require a haul-out?
Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique 


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: selling an Amel

Arnold Mente
 

MICHEL CHARPENTIER
467, Bd Raymond Poincaré
Port de Santa Lucia
83700 – SAINT-RAPHAËL

+33 (0)4 94 95 68 44 


BR

Arnold
Zephyr SM 203


Am 17.01.2020 um 11:11 schrieb Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...>:

What are the contacts details please for Michel Charpentier?

Peter Forbes
CARANGO Amel 54 [035]
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 17 Jan 2020, at 07:39, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

We cannot recommend the broker Michel Charpentier highly enough. When we bought Nunky he spent the best part of 2 days with us and then another whole day when the survey was done. A truly conscientious broker and a lovely guy too.


--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110



--
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: selling an Amel

Peter Forbes
 

What are the contacts details please for Michel Charpentier?

Peter Forbes
CARANGO Amel 54 [035]
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 17 Jan 2020, at 07:39, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

We cannot recommend the broker Michel Charpentier highly enough. When we bought Nunky he spent the best part of 2 days with us and then another whole day when the survey was done. A truly conscientious broker and a lovely guy too.


--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Looks like Amel hit one out of the box.

Alan Leslie
 

Jamie,

I feel the same way about my Super Maramu 2000..

BUT...We visited La Rochelle in April last year and toured the factory, met the man that built our mast !, went for a sail with Antoine on the Amel 50, and I would have to say that the Amel spirit is still well alive.
We also saw the very first 60 sitting in the water tank.

The 50 is really Amel all over, however, they are obviously sensitive to the market as almost everything we have on our SM is optional on the 50...
Like, bowthruster, genset, watermaker...even cockpit cushions...
So if you look at the "list price" which is just under Eu 1 m, by the time you add all the stuff that we take for granted you're up to about Eu 1.5m
Similarly with the 60...it gets to about Eu 2.5m

BUT the boat is really good...construction, the same as always, water tight bulkheads as the SM, wonderful galley, very safe at sea, but the stbd sea berth of course has gone, but nice one up one down single berths just fwd of the saloon, maybe a good alternative.

AND with the inside shrouds, she points really well.....which is something our 53 DOESN'T...and I miss that from our previous boat.

If I had the money, which I don't, I'd order one in a minute,....

The 60, not so sure, in my opinion , it's just a bit TOO big, especially for someone like me that sails solo a lot of the time.

Anyway, that's probably a bit more that 2 cents worth, as you guys say.

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: selling an Amel

Mark Barter
 

We cannot recommend the broker Michel Charpentier highly enough. When we bought Nunky he spent the best part of 2 days with us and then another whole day when the survey was done. A truly conscientious broker and a lovely guy too.


--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Bow chain plate of Sharki

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hello everyone, I need some photos of the bow chain plate of the Sharki.  Being mine, the # 1 (1979) this part is different from the following ones and I replaced it in 1996 because it had broken.
After 24 years and many miles I have to replace it again because it is breaking.
The weak points are the two pins, bolted to the bow that secure the plate on the deck, which are subjected to great lateral efforts that cause strong stress to the material.
I would therefore like to do a definitive work to avoid repeating this problem.
Thank you very much in advance for your precious help.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
sy Saudade III - Sharki #1
currently moored in Bequia.


Re: Repairing holes in aft cabin trunk / deck

Kevin Fox
 

Thank you all for your helpful responses and guidance!

Rascal is a fine boat indeed.  We're lucky to have her.

We'll have a closer look at the lifeboat rack mounting this weekend and then decide what to do next.

----
Kevin and Elise Fox
SM2k #404 Rascal
Charleston, SC


Re: Yanmar instrument panel

 

Mark, 

Good find! I looked at all of their products...really a nice resource for many engine panels or for custom plexiglass panels.

Here is what they say: 

"This is the first prototype of a Yanmar faceplate instrument panel GM series which is now up for sale to a boat owner wishing to work with us to make sure the faceplate panel fits perfectly.
1.6mm thick measuring 275mm x 135mm with adhesive tape for fixing.
If this prototype faceplate does not fit perfectly we will make another for you based on your recommendations.
This faceplate will be listed on eBay for $96.00 once prototyping is completed.
We replicate and manufacture dash and control panels for all types of machinery and equipment.
If you have a panel that needs replacing give us panel dimensions so we can replicate it for you at a discounted price so we can offer it for sale to others."

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 4:20 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

 


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

 

The OLd part is the Frigoboat E51385 pump controller, seen below. 
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:54 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

Gan you give the Frigoboat part number for the blue box mentioned below?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

January 16, 2020 12:54:01

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 07:09
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump

 

The following is my understanding: The pump controller (blue box in 54s) receives voltage input from each of the Danfoss compressor controllers. The "fan output" terminal on the Danfoss is the output terminal that connects to the pump controller. The Danfoss fan output is 12 volts, regardless of whether the refrigeration unit is 12 or 24 volts.

 

BTW, the blue box may no longer be available, unless old stock. Frigoboat replaced it with a relay for each refrigerator unit.

 

I hope this helps. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 7:42 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Scott, you have me really thinking about this thorn in my side. My boat is on the hard now, but I am going to check the voltage coming out of the pump controller. If it is really 12 volts, then I think I am "missing the boat" by using 24-volt pumps. I no longer have the original Amel installation, so I am at a loss as to what came with the boat. I do feel, though, that running a 24-volt pump at 12 volts is asking for the problems which I have experience multiple times. I will investigate and see what is going on - I am an electrical engineer but do not want to profess any sort of expertise at this time. My old boat used keel-cooled units and I never had any issues - no pump!!
I will find out in the spring here in the US.
Jamie
A54 Phantom.


Yanmar instrument panel

Mark Erdos
 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

 


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Teun BAAS
 

Bill,

 

Gan you give the Frigoboat part number for the blue box mentioned below?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

January 16, 2020 12:54:01

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 07:09
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump

 

The following is my understanding: The pump controller (blue box in 54s) receives voltage input from each of the Danfoss compressor controllers. The "fan output" terminal on the Danfoss is the output terminal that connects to the pump controller. The Danfoss fan output is 12 volts, regardless of whether the refrigeration unit is 12 or 24 volts.

 

BTW, the blue box may no longer be available, unless old stock. Frigoboat replaced it with a relay for each refrigerator unit.

 

I hope this helps. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 7:42 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Scott, you have me really thinking about this thorn in my side. My boat is on the hard now, but I am going to check the voltage coming out of the pump controller. If it is really 12 volts, then I think I am "missing the boat" by using 24-volt pumps. I no longer have the original Amel installation, so I am at a loss as to what came with the boat. I do feel, though, that running a 24-volt pump at 12 volts is asking for the problems which I have experience multiple times. I will investigate and see what is going on - I am an electrical engineer but do not want to profess any sort of expertise at this time. My old boat used keel-cooled units and I never had any issues - no pump!!
I will find out in the spring here in the US.
Jamie
A54 Phantom.


Re: New Member - Amel Mango Hull #63-Is there an electronic Owners Manual in existence

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi Ian,

I am in a process of buying Amel Mango 1987. As you have been working on yours from 2017 is there any finding, advice you would share with me? I hope this is not breaking any rules of this forum. If you like I can give you my private mail.

Thank you,  Slavko


Re: Boat insurance Martinique

Miles
 

Hello Martin,

 

If all goes well, you will soon be the owner of a wonderful blue water boat.

 

I understand that different people have very different experiences with insurance companies, but I have been well served by Pantaenius.  I looked at some others two years ago, and found many of the requirements to be ridiculous and all of the prices higher.

 

I use

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue | Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. +1 (914) 3812066 | Fax. +1 (914) 3812052 | http://www.pantaenius.com

 

My correspondence has been with Cathy Masiello.

 

Regards,

 

Miles  S/Y Ladybug, SM 216, Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Boat insurance Martinique

marty hameline
 

Thanks Peter


On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Peter Seary <peter.seary@...> wrote:


Try Nagico in Sint Maarten. They were superb when dealing with my total loss during hurricane Irma.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 9:25 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io, <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Try Gary Golden, Manifest Marine

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:59 AM, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:

Bonjour Amelians,

First off I must state that I am totally impressed with the Amel owner user group - Merci Beacoup.

We are in final negotiations to buy our Amel and hopefully will be the new owners soon.  We need to arrange boat insurance and contacted Topsail; who was Unable to cover us....

Appreciate any recommendations here for insurance companies in the Caribbean.  The boat will be in Martinique until late April/May  when she will be sailed to Delaware and the NE US for the summer.  

Thanks and cheers,

Martin Hameline
SV/Marafiki
818-331-8999


Re: Boat insurance Martinique

Peter Seary
 

Try Nagico in Sint Maarten. They were superb when dealing with my total loss during hurricane Irma.


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 9:25 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io, <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Try Gary Golden, Manifest Marine

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:59 AM, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:

Bonjour Amelians,

First off I must state that I am totally impressed with the Amel owner user group - Merci Beacoup.

We are in final negotiations to buy our Amel and hopefully will be the new owners soon.  We need to arrange boat insurance and contacted Topsail; who was Unable to cover us....

Appreciate any recommendations here for insurance companies in the Caribbean.  The boat will be in Martinique until late April/May  when she will be sailed to Delaware and the NE US for the summer.  

Thanks and cheers,

Martin Hameline
SV/Marafiki
818-331-8999


Re: Boat insurance Martinique

Paul Villinski
 

Hello Martin,

Congratulations!  Are you purchasing "Barth," the 1986 Maramu, in Martinique? I told the broker on Monday that I would travel to see the boat next week, but she said a contract was nearly signed, so I am guessing you have beat me to it! Like you, our hope was to bring the boat north, to the NYC area in our case. Best of luck to you! -- We will wait our turn for the right Amel to become available!

Paul Villinski
NYC


Re: Boat insurance Martinique

marty hameline
 

Thanks Courtney 
Will hold off until deal is sealed ;)


On Jan 16, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Martin it makes a difference where your boat is registered 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin
54 #101
PSV


On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:59 AM, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:


Bonjour Amelians,

First off I must state that I am totally impressed with the Amel owner user group - Merci Beacoup.

We are in final negotiations to buy our Amel and hopefully will be the new owners soon.  We need to arrange boat insurance and contacted Topsail; who was Unable to cover us....

Appreciate any recommendations here for insurance companies in the Caribbean.  The boat will be in Martinique until late April/May  when she will be sailed to Delaware and the NE US for the summer.  

Thanks and cheers,

Martin Hameline
SV/Marafiki
818-331-8999