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Re: Verical Batons

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bob

Thank you for your reply. Do you have a diagram or layout of the sail. If so I would appreciate you sending it to me. I am glad that minmaxi has been a good boat for you. I look forward to hearing about the other upgrades that you have made.

Vito
ASM 283
Bay of Islands NZ

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, minaxi53 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Vito
Long time no chat.

One of the many upgrades I did to "Minaxi" your old boat was a new vertical batten mainsail. My opinion is that it is well worth doing. Much better sail shape, not really a positive shape but much better than the regular negative cut sail. Just returned from the Caribbean and managed several 200 mile days, I would say the sail helped. No trouble reefing at all, just keep a little pressure on the outhaul.
Done many upgrades since you handed SM6 to us. One day I will get around to placing some photo's on the site.

Hope you and family are well and enjoying the bottom end of the World.

Best Regards

Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@> wrote:

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.




























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Re: [Amel] Re:ground cable in cockpit locker

eric freedman
 

I also hook a zinc guppy to this connection and hang it over the side for
additional galvanic protection when at a dock.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miles Bidwell
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re:ground cable in cockpit locker








Joel's memory serves well. I am on my Super Maramu and that is exactly the
wire and how it is connected.

Miles Bidwell on LADYBUG, SM 216


Re: ground cable in cockpit locker

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Joel's memory serves well. I am on my Super Maramu and that is exactly the
wire and how it is connected.



Miles Bidwell on LADYBUG, SM 216


Re: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker

eric freedman
 

My ground wire is connected to the fuel filler under the hose clamp.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of arvaloet
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker








There is a ground cable loose in the locker-trunk of cockpit starbord of
mizzen mast. The only metal parts there are the fuel cover and the cockpit
water hose. But I can´t find where it should be attached to.

Anybody have any suggestions.

Fernando
Ingot SM 146





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Re: [Amel] ground cable in cockpit locker

amelforme
 

Hello Fernando, Probably the connection to the "ground"/ stray current system for the
diesel tank filler neck. It has been many years since I have owned a Super Maramu but from
memory (oh dear.) The wire is green, the end is stripped to expose the copper wire which
is the clamped to the metal part of the filler neck with a stainless steel hose clamp. As
I am away from the seashore for a few days, can someone who is aboard their Super Maramu
check this out?
If not, I'll have a look at my 54, which has the same basic system, and then report back
to you.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


ground cable in cockpit locker

arvaloet <arvaloet@...>
 

There is a ground cable loose in the locker-trunk of cockpit starbord of mizzen mast. The only metal parts there are the fuel cover and the cockpit water hose. But I can´t find where it should be attached to.

Anybody have any suggestions.

Fernando
Ingot SM 146


Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Dr. Seidel,

Strong Track is fine product and we've sold many of their systems. Just for clarification their hardware is offered in naval brass or stainless rather than bronze. If anyone has questions about Strong Track feel free to email me or contact us through our website - www.islandplanetsails.com

We would have installed Strong Track on our Maramu however the previous owner installed a Harken BattCar system so we're sticking with that. I installed Strong Track on our previous boat though.

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, Dr. Seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com> wrote:

From: Dr. Seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 6:12 PM

















I have very thin rods constituting my vertical battens. The basic problem with these in a sm349 mast is that the slot for the sail, designed to not have these battens is NARROW. If you cut both sides of the slot slightly larger, it would make the whole problem of a bigger roach held with vertical battens easy. The other alternative would be to slide a Strong Track up the groove and get a full sized main with slab reefing. The track is poly ethylene with bronze slides. When the halyard is let go, the sail fall like a rock. The backstay for the main sail would need to be further aft because this is the limiting factor in light air. The sail will hag up on the backstay.

UK in Ft. Lauderdale can make a larger main with a bigger leach or roach, and put in these thin battens, but you must make them reinforce the batten pockets better. Mine all ripped the top ends going off shore from Lauderdale to Wilmington N.C..

Murray Seidel sm349 919-470-1225

----- Original Message -----

From: Craig & Katherine

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:17 AM

Subject: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons



Just to balance this thread, I recently helped Kent Robertson sail "Kristy", his new-to-him SM#243, from Galveston to Key West. (You may recall his postings back in March & April). He had just installed new sails with vertical battens in the main.



Kent may want to weigh in here, too, but IMHO, the vertical battens were great. They furled flawlessly in heavy and light air and the sail was always beautifully shaped. No way to know definitively about added speed, but to an old racing skipper's eye they were the cat's meow.



Certainly the point about potential furling problems is prefectly valid and a very conservative approach may argue against them - a few tenths of a knot, perhaps, vs. a higher comfort level, but, hey, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla - take your pick!



Cheers,

Craig Briggs - Santorin #68 "Sangaris" in Siracusa, Sicily
































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Re: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons

Dr. Seidel <mseidel@...>
 

I have very thin rods constituting my vertical battens. The basic problem with these in a sm349 mast is that the slot for the sail, designed to not have these battens is NARROW. If you cut both sides of the slot slightly larger, it would make the whole problem of a bigger roach held with vertical battens easy. The other alternative would be to slide a Strong Track up the groove and get a full sized main with slab reefing. The track is poly ethylene with bronze slides. When the halyard is let go, the sail fall like a rock. The backstay for the main sail would need to be further aft because this is the limiting factor in light air. The sail will hag up on the backstay.
UK in Ft. Lauderdale can make a larger main with a bigger leach or roach, and put in these thin battens, but you must make them reinforce the batten pockets better. Mine all ripped the top ends going off shore from Lauderdale to Wilmington N.C..
Murray Seidel sm349 919-470-1225

----- Original Message -----
From: Craig & Katherine
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Vertical Batons





Just to balance this thread, I recently helped Kent Robertson sail "Kristy", his new-to-him SM#243, from Galveston to Key West. (You may recall his postings back in March & April). He had just installed new sails with vertical battens in the main.

Kent may want to weigh in here, too, but IMHO, the vertical battens were great. They furled flawlessly in heavy and light air and the sail was always beautifully shaped. No way to know definitively about added speed, but to an old racing skipper's eye they were the cat's meow.

Certainly the point about potential furling problems is prefectly valid and a very conservative approach may argue against them - a few tenths of a knot, perhaps, vs. a higher comfort level, but, hey, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla - take your pick!

Cheers,
Craig Briggs - Santorin #68 "Sangaris" in Siracusa, Sicily


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

amelforme
 

Regarding lightning protection on Amel boats. There isn't any . Not on any
boat ever built by Amel. There are several very good and well considered
reasons for this so change it at your own peril. Be very careful about
modifying any of the grounding systems or the stray current/sacrificial
connection to the zincs. Over the years I have had many, many discussions
with Jacques Carteau as he educated me as to why Amel does several of the
things that at first blush seem not to be correct. His logic is generally
correct and it is usually best to leave things as God, Captain Amel, and
Jacques Carteau intended...
Even though the Captain is gone and Mr. Carteau is retired, most of the
things they conceived are still carried over in the Amel 54 and in the
projects being considered for the future.

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

I believe the lighting leads are located on the copper bilge strap. Previous emails have indicated that this strap rots away over time and has to be replaced. We just did it with the info posted on this sight previousley with the larger diameter strap.

Paul LaFrance
S/V Nomad SM 362




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: jlmertz@free.fr
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:47:30 +0200
Subject: Re: [Amel] lightning protection







Good question !!
but difficult O:-) (very)

Be carful, I have read much stupidities in French nautical revues

JLM
SM316
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hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on
an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike
other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz

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Re: Verical Batons

minaxi53 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Vito
Long time no chat.

One of the many upgrades I did to "Minaxi" your old boat was a new vertical batten mainsail. My opinion is that it is well worth doing. Much better sail shape, not really a positive shape but much better than the regular negative cut sail. Just returned from the Caribbean and managed several 200 mile days, I would say the sail helped. No trouble reefing at all, just keep a little pressure on the outhaul.
Done many upgrades since you handed SM6 to us. One day I will get around to placing some photo's on the site.

Hope you and family are well and enjoying the bottom end of the World.

Best Regards

Bob
SM6 Minaxi

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone

I recently had the same problem with the Onan Genset. After much work including having the injectors serviced twice. The problem was a clogged mixing elbow. Thinking back on work I had done to the Volvo. I had to replace the mixing elbow as it was almost clogged with rust and carbon. This may be your problem.

I would like to hear more about your vertical batten mainsail. In fact I would like to hear peoples experience with them. I agree with you John about the ease of handling issue. Its just the main looks so bad when set. What are you up to now?

Vito Ciaravino
ASM # 283

LIving in Bay of Islands NZ (for now)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

I had the Banks loft in Kemah, Tx build them.  Trent and Mark (last names escape me right now) were the ones I dealt with, good guys and did a great job.
 
Stuck in Charleston, SC waiting out this storm after 10 days in the Bahamas and won't have time to get her up to the Chesapeake before I have to go back to work, so having some time to work on a few things.  Still no solution to the engine RPM problem, but realized that there is a good bit of smoke after motoring across from Abaco in light winds right on the stern (still haven't got her rigged to use the downwind setup), the whole aft port topsides are soot stained.  Starting to think it's an air issue rather than a fuel issue.  Will follow up on all the great advice the group offered this week.  Anybody have a good experience with a diesel mechanic in Charleston?
 
Anybody have any advice on getting the hi pressure hoses on the watermaker to stay on?  Ray Eaton said he found one off while the boat was in Ft. Lauderdale and fixed it, but it blew off again as soon as I turned the watermaker on.  Couldn't get it to stay after several tries,  so had a compression fitting one made in Marsh Harbor.  That one stayed on but the next one down the line blew off at 50 psi.  Whazzup widat?
 
Met George at the Charleston City Marina on Indecent...my first encounter "out there" with another Amel.  Pretty cool.
 
Thanks for all the group's advice, don't know what I'd do without you.
Kent Robertson
Kristy SM 243


--- On Sun, 5/17/09, Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@> wrote:


From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:00 PM








Which Banks Sails loft were you working with? I used to work for Banks Sails in Florida and hat a lot of fun there. I still have some good friends involved with Banks. There's a lot of talent in that group but of course I'd rather see people buy sails from us ;-)

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: karkauai <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:44 PM

Banks Sails made my new main with vertical battens, and they really do seem to give the sail a better shape than other non-battened in mast furling sails. They easily roll into the mast as long as a little pressure is maintained on the outhaul while the sail is furled and unfurled.











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Re: [Amel] davits for santorin

Ric <ric@...>
 

Bali hai sm 24 have simpson lawrence base must be custom modifide Must
heavily beef up stern to hold weight. Have electric, but always a
headacke

On May 27, 2009, at 3:06 PM, "attilio.siviero" <attilio.siviero@yahoo.com
> wrote:



Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a
Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a
Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern,
so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to
mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin
simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch
specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


Re: [Amel] davits for santorin

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi from Danny SM 299. We had a set of hinged davits made to a pattern used on SM Wanderer. If you are ever in NZ I recommend Taipa welding services, 763 Oruru Road, RD 2 Kaitaia. This is in the Far North of NZ, about an hour by road North of Opua.They built my davits very well for under NZ$ 2000.

----- Original Message -----
From: attilio.siviero
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:06 AM
Subject: [Amel] davits for santorin





Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern, so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


davits for santorin

attilio.siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi there everybody!
can anyone give me an information about davits to be put on a Santorin?
I thought that the standard davits of SM ca be mounted on a Santorin, since they are 2 separate elemnents hinged on the stern, so they can be mounted on the stern of a Santorin, only a matter to mount them with a smaller distance in between.
The guys of Amel, on the opposite, say that davits for Santorin simply does not exist as standard, I have to provide an arch specially designed and made.
Any help?
Thanks
Maria & Attilio Santorin #84


Re: [Amel] lightning protection

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

Good question !!
but difficult O:-) (very)

Be carful, I have read much stupidities in French nautical revues

JLM
SM316
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Halidun Karagoz a écrit :


hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on
an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike
other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz





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lightning protection

Halidun Karagoz
 

hello all,
i would like to know if anyone had experienced a lightning strike on an amel boat, and any sound strategies used against a lightning strike other than throwing a chain to the sea connected to the mast or shrouds?
any input will be greatly appreciated.
fair winds
haldun karagoz


Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Dave_Benjamin
 

Wow! Sounds like my company needs to export more sails to Europe! At those prices I could almost afford to sail across the Atlantic and deliver them ;-)

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:56 AM

















Paul,

Last year,we got a new set of sails from Gateff,genoa, staysail, main,mizan treradial cut hydranet without batens for a price of abb 24000 euro.The price you paid 5600us is a big diference!! Also for spryhood they charge me abb 2000 euro!! incredible!!

Iv Pepe SM 223

 

--- El sáb, 23/5/09, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail. com> escribió:



De: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail. com>

Asunto: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons

Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Fecha: sábado, 23 mayo, 2009 6:13



Jim

We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,

Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,

both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat

name, and telltales.

Price is $5600

The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed  from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.

Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.

He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.



Paul LaFrance

SV Nomad #362



To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
From: symoondog@hotmail. com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind
speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.

           John   "Moon Dog" SM 248
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
From: dave_benjamin@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons
Jim,
As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some  vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.
Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.
 
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM
Hello All
We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Jim DeSalvo
SV Liebling
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Re: [Amel] Verical Batons

Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
 

Paul,
Last year,we got a new set of sails from Gateff,genoa,staysail,main,mizan treradial cut hydranet without batens for a price of abb 24000 euro.The price you paid 5600us is a big diference!! Also for spryhood they charge me abb 2000 euro!! incredible!!
Iv Pepe SM 223
 
--- El sáb, 23/5/09, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com> escribió:


De: Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@hotmail.com>
Asunto: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons
Para: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: sábado, 23 mayo, 2009 6:13









Jim
We had new sails made by Omar Sails in Beaufort North Carolina. They are HydraNet radial , main with battens, Amel Logo, SM362 in Blue,
Mizzen has 4 battens ,Amel Logo and the Name "Nomad" in Blue,
both sails have leech and foot lines, UV cover at clew, bag with boat
name, and telltales.
Price is $5600
The vertical battens maintain the shape of the sails. The material is stronger than Dacron and more UV resistant. We received the sails in Oct 2008 and sailed  from RI to the Caribbean for the winter and are now on our way back to RI. During this time the sails have worked flawlessly. They furl with no problem. We have been in a gale with 67 knot winds on the way south and encountered no problems.
Paul at Omar has all the measurements from Amel for the SM as Henry Amel supplied them to him. Their work ios first rate along with their service as to time commitments and delivery.
He has made sails for a number of other Amel owners.

Paul LaFrance
SV Nomad #362


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: symoondog@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 19:19:24 +0000
Subject: RE: [Amel] Verical Batons


Jim, another thought, the in mast batten free sail is a proven passage maker. Battens in the main with some roach in it will improve your windward performance I will agree to that. Just remember when you have to reef the main you'll have to go head to wind. When you get hit by heavy air you release the jib and main sheets. you then must get in all the jib to put the boat head to wind. The boom will be flailing out on your beam and will be head to wind but your bow isn't. If its blowing 45 knots the bow won't come to windward unless you sheet it back in, but you have a full main and you'l be trying to sheet it in while standing the boat on its beam ends. You will end up starting the motor to drive the boat up so you can get the boom lined up with the slot in the main, if there's any main left by now it just might work. This scenario is so easy with Amels way, we just ease the main out hawl and roll up some sail and never change course regardless of wind
speed or direction. If I had a reverse gear in my electric jib sheet winch, I'd never leave the helmsmen seat to do anything. What part of this do you not like? If you insist on this go a little faster ideal,make sure you don't go to the Med and get hit by one of their Mistrals, or the Atlantic and get caught in a white squall or where I just came from, 50 degree south and get blindsided by a 55 kt. williwaw blasting down a mountain.
           John   "Moon Dog" SM 248


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: dave_benjamin@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:21:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel] Verical Batons







Jim,

As a sailmaker I am not enthused with vertical battens although there are some  vocal proponents. There are issues with vertical battens getting stuck and causing problems. On a cruising boat you really don't want that risk.

Has your sailmaker built sails for a SM before? I saw one SM where a sailmaker made the sail a bit too long on the luff and built patches that were bulky. The sail required several modifications to fit properly.

 

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda.desalvo <linda.desalvo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Verical Batons
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 4:32 PM

Hello All

We are in the process of ordering a new mainsail for our Super Maramu #207 and would like any feedback that we could get in reference to vertical batons. Are they something that would enhance the sail. Does anyone out there have a mainsail with vertical baton and what kind of performance does this type of sail give? Could they get stuck in the roller furling? Any advise or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Jim DeSalvo

SV Liebling











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