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Re: Anchor winch and chain, boom outhaul gearbox and grounding strap

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Anne & John:

Glad to hear that I wasn't the only one who had a hard time getting the outhaul drive shaft
out. I used a two pound sledge for several hours with no success. I too found no corrosion
holding things together, just encrusted grease and grit. It is good to hear that the fit is
relatively light once it is cleaned up. I think I will add removal of this shaft and lubrication of
the Anderson Winch bearings to my annual service.

I did some research to try and find a puller, similar to the one the machine shop used to such
great effect, that I could purchase for future application to this job. It seems that this type of
puller is called a straight jaw puller. It worked extremely well and avoided all the hammering
with attendant worries of metal fatigue in the aluminum boom and mounting bracket.
However, they are hard to find. There are several on Amazon. If I get one I will post about
how it works.

Gary


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

I do not want to labour the point but I wonder if anyone in the group
has fitted wind vane it would be good to hear how you found it

Many thanks

Deb and John
Orion1


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "woodsdeborah_56"
<woodsdeborah_56@...> wrote:


Thanks for that Joel I am suprised that only 10% have had wind vane
steering. The system that we are considering would provide a second
rudder shoud we lose the first but point noted and we will have to
give it some thought

Deb
Orion 1



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Potter"
<jfpottercys@> wrote:

There is no anode in the 4-154 cooling system .I had a client
put
one in
and it never got any smaller even years later .Perhaps it is a
good
thing to
consider that less than 10% of the Amels that have circumnavigated
(that we
know of) have wind steering systems .Most voyagers use dual
autopilots
.Experience is the best teacher .
Do not tighten the friction knob on the bottom of the Morse
steering system
any tighter than to finger tight .It was not intended to be a
lock
and
replacement parts are nearly nonexistent .Use a bungee cord
through
the
wheel to lessen the wheels movement if need be .

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

Thanks Ian and Judy

You are right we have noticed that when on anchor the wheel can move
a little particularly in a swell we will give your suggestion a
try... we think the Maramu is a lovely boat too!

Deb and John
Orion1

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Ian & Judy Jenkins
<ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:


Hi Deb, When we had a Maramu ( wonderful boat!) we fitted a U bolt
just to the right of the wheel so that we could clip our harness on
whist still below. If you position the U bolt at the height of the
centre of the wheel then its a simple job to tie a piece of webbing
through the U bolt and the wheel and lock it off that way. We use a
short piece of webbing which ends in velcro--easy to take off in a
hurry.
We have done the same on our Supermaramu and use it to fix the
helm when at anchor.
Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

Thanks for that Joel I am suprised that only 10% have had wind vane
steering. The system that we are considering would provide a second
rudder shoud we lose the first but point noted and we will have to
give it some thought

Deb
Orion 1



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Potter"
<jfpottercys@...> wrote:

There is no anode in the 4-154 cooling system .I had a client put
one in
and it never got any smaller even years later .Perhaps it is a good
thing to
consider that less than 10% of the Amels that have circumnavigated
(that we
know of) have wind steering systems .Most voyagers use dual
autopilots
.Experience is the best teacher .
Do not tighten the friction knob on the bottom of the Morse
steering system
any tighter than to finger tight .It was not intended to be a lock
and
replacement parts are nearly nonexistent .Use a bungee cord through
the
wheel to lessen the wheels movement if need be .

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@...



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Deb, When we had a Maramu ( wonderful boat!) we fitted a U bolt just to the right of the wheel so that we could clip our harness on whist still below. If you position the U bolt at the height of the centre of the wheel then its a simple job to tie a piece of webbing through the U bolt and the wheel and lock it off that way. We use a short piece of webbing which ends in velcro--easy to take off in a hurry.
We have done the same on our Supermaramu and use it to fix the helm when at anchor.
Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinidad-A/C Units

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Gary, We are onshore at Peakes, next door to Coral Cove. Everone recommended an aircon unit as a means to avoid mildew etc ( the rainy season is from now till Xmas, apparently). We have put one on, using Rafael from Cosmos Yacht Services who came highly recommended by some other yotties. ( he also grows his own vegetables which are very tasty). His no is 362 7877 or 723 6579. He charges US$91 pm and there will also be an electricity charge, The unit fits on the main hatch in the saloon and runs 24/7. This does mean that someone could just move the unit and enter your boat! We have Pen Azen in the "secure" part of Peakes, where even owners are not allowed and they have guard dogs loose at night ( actually when we checked there was one, a nice old pooch, fast asleep. He was a Rottweiler, which counts for something, but my brother in law, who has only recently left Harare in Zimbabwe, had a Rottweiler called Fud. The U stood for Useless, the D for dog, and I leave you to work out the F for yourself. Fud was as big a lap dog as you could find, so I have never made any assumptions about the effectiveness of Rottweilers...
But , I digress. We will only know in November whether we have wasted our money on aircon .Very good friends of ours, who have a wooden boat and therefore are concerned about the aircon drying the boat out, have chosen not to have it. They are in the same yard and we will compare notes in November.
Cheers, Ian and Judy. Pen Azen, SM 302
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Steering locks and autopilots

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

I agree with Joel, for a circumnavigation two drive units are highly
desirable as they work very hard and may fail. See my previous posts
and take spares as well. A spare computer for the autopilot is
desirable but generally they are now much more reliable.
Amel made up a steering lock for me. It was a very simple and elegant
solution. It is a piece of stainless strip metal in the shape of an E.
The distance between two of the legs is just enough to hook on to a
spoke of the wheel and the space between the centre and third leg is
sufficient to slot on to the raised section of the instrument panel.
This part is lined with 'leather' and has a hole drilled to take a pin
which goes through the raised section. The pin is fixed to the E on a
short bit of light chain. Perhaps none of this is possible on earlier
models.

Best wishes, John, SM 319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

amelforme
 

There is no anode in the 4-154 cooling system .I had a client put one in
and it never got any smaller even years later .Perhaps it is a good thing to
consider that less than 10% of the Amels that have circumnavigated(that we
know of) have wind steering systems .Most voyagers use dual autopilots
.Experience is the best teacher .
Do not tighten the friction knob on the bottom of the Morse steering system
any tighter than to finger tight .It was not intended to be a lock and
replacement parts are nearly nonexistent .Use a bungee cord through the
wheel to lessen the wheels movement if need be .

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

David Wallace
 

Deb

I had my Perkins 4.154 rebuilt last September and the mechanic when asked told me there was no sacrificial anode on the engine or cooling system. I have an engine manual and could find no reference in it either.

Can't help on the wheel lock, except there is a friction adjusting knob directly under the wheel shaft housing, but can't say if it can be tightened enough to lock the wheel in place.

I traded emails with John last fall when he provided some very helpful advice on installing a bow thruster on Air Ops. Please tell him that I ended up having a Sidepower SP95Ti installed, the largest one (8HP) with a 7.5 inch tunnel. We did not put a battery in the bow but rather ran 4/0 cable, which was an easy task actually. We also bought the radio remote control unit, which is connected at the bow end to also run the windlass. That'sbeen a great feature when raising the anchor after anchoring in sea grass. It all works great and was well worth the investment.

Dave
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: woodsdeborah_56@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:43:12 +0000
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel






















We have a Maramu which we are currently refitting and I have two

queries which I would really appreciate some feedback on if possible.

Could anyone tell me if there is a sacrificial anode in the cooling

system in the Perkins engine, ours is a Perkins 60 hp.



Also, has anyone fitted a locking system for the helm? We are looking

to install wind vane steering in preparation for a circumnavigation and

any thoughts/experiences would be really useful.



Deb

Orion1 (Maramu #42)
























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Locking companionway cover

Zanareva
 

In an effort to add a little better security to the existing
companionway, I've built a fiberglass cover that locks into installed
u-bolts on either side of the companionway. About 9 layers of
fiberglass were laid up over an aluminum tube for this cover and I
epoxied and glassed in several pieces of stainless steel stock on the
underside for additional protection from someone attempting to cut
into the cover. Cover is very stiff, especially the top curved
section, yet still pretty light. Photos posted in my album "1989 Super
Maramu"

Richard Tate
SM #5 "Spice"


sacrificial anode / locking system for wheel

woodsdeborah_56 <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

We have a Maramu which we are currently refitting and I have two
queries which I would really appreciate some feedback on if possible.
Could anyone tell me if there is a sacrificial anode in the cooling
system in the Perkins engine, ours is a Perkins 60 hp.

Also, has anyone fitted a locking system for the helm? We are looking
to install wind vane steering in preparation for a circumnavigation and
any thoughts/experiences would be really useful.

Deb
Orion1 (Maramu #42)


Anchor winch and chain, boom outhaul gearbox and grounding strap

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

When we were buying a new winch from the manufacturer in New Zealand
he insisted that we returned to the boat to cut off a foot or 30cms
of chain to wrap around the gypsy on the new winch to be absolutely
certain that it was the right size.

To remove the gearbox we tied the ballooner halyard around the boom
to take the weight and then removed the bolt holding the boom to the
gooseneck so that we could turn the boom upside down before replacing
the bolt. I then spent a long time hammering the shaft out using a
heavy club hammer using a long shaft socket to fit the bolt(13mm I
think) as a drift to slowly drive the shaft out aided by penetrating
fluid although perhaps kerosene would have been better because the
shaft was seized into the gearbox with congealed grease and dirt,
there was no rust at all. Once removed and cleaned off the shaft and
key fit very freely into the gearbox. I smeared the shaft with a very
thin coating of anti seize compound before refitting. The deep socket
was trashed by all the hammering but nothing else was damaged.

I used a 2inch wide copper grounding strap one eighth of an inch
thick but had a machine shop drill the 22mm hole for the keel bolt
and also to bend it. This was quite hard even for them as they had to
aneal the strap at the bending points and then use quite a lot of
strength to start the bend and then they finished the bend with a
lead faced hammer. It would have been easier if the strap was only an
inch and a half wide and if they had had a bending press. I also
bought a half inch square section of mild steel four feet long to use
with a 30mm socket taped on at one end and another socket to size
taped on at the other end to take my wrench. There is a second nut
under the strap so there is no danger of the keel dropping in the
process. The wet and dry vacuum was a great tip for emptying the
water and deposits at the bottom of the pit. I also dropped a spanner
in the pit but used a magnet to get it out. I then fitted some
plastic elbows on short lenths of tubing into the three drains so
that the effluent from the dishwasher etc does not squirt straight
out onto the new strap which will now see me out, I hope.

Best wishes, Anne and John SM319


Re: Trinidad-A/C Units

Naegels Patrick <naegels@...>
 

Hi Gary,

I invite you to hire an air conditionning system during wintering.
Chaguaramas is particularly wet. Moreover, you have to consider a
weekly deck cleaning to bird's "gifts" which are several and very
marking on GRP.

Patrick - Caramel - SM2000#329


Trinidad-A/C Units

gwollenberg <bozocinq@...>
 

I am going to Trinidad for the first time and will be mooring my AMEL
@Coral Cove Marina during the hurricane season. ON the moorage
information sheet they offer a portable air conditioning/humidifier
unit. Can anyone enlighten or educate me as to whether I should
consider something like this??
Thank you,
Gary
Bozo Cinq


Re: amel santorin rigging ,anchorchain

Dave_Benjamin
 

Phil,

We use 5/16" "high test" chain which is appropriately rated. 5/16" is
about 8mm. Regular 8mm chain would not be adequate.

Keep in mind that you will need a different gypsy for your windlass so
be sure to check with the windlass manufacturer before you buy your
new chain.

Enjoy the new boat!



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
wrote:

hello everyone,

i've just bougth a amel santorin 1994 in the Med.We are planning to
leave the med april/ may next year.Through the red sea or via
Gibralter Atlantic we don't know yet.

We had a survey done wich was overall quite positive (she's a clean boat
wich didn't cruise that much)Previous owner kept her in a permenent
mooring in a marina and did some daysailing i presume.

The surveyor had 2 remarks about the rigging being 14 years old and
better should be changed allthough it doesn't show any signs off teare
and weare?Does anyone have any advise or experiance with this and what
this would cost?

Second there is an 8mm galvenised anchorchain with a 20 kg cqr anchor
wich i am planning to replase by a 30kg type bugel,spade or rocna
anchor.The surveyor said the 8mm chain is to ligth for a 14m boat off
about 11 or 12 ton loaded and should be changed by a 10 mm chain?
Does anyone have any experience or advice on this?

I thank you and glad to join the club!

phil from "2 miles ahead"


Re: BANANA BAY MARINA COSTA RICA

Daniel R. Scoggin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "pjppappas" <pjppappas@...> wrote:

I have reservations at Banana Bay this winter. Has anyone visited this
marina, if so could you give me your opion. thank you Peter
Pappas "callisto" sm 369 Pt. Vallarta, Mexico
Peter, I can echo everything Jim wrote, as a mater of fact we spent 5 month in the slip next to
Pao San. I would add that northern Panama is well worth exploring. We did this on a trip out
of Costa Rica to renew our visa. Dan & Sandy on S/V Black Diamond sm 430, San Francisco.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] amel santorin rigging ,anchorchain

Battaglini Ornella Barbara <ornella.battaglini@...>
 

Hy Phil
my Santorin 1995 has a 10 mm chain with cqr 46 lbs and no problem with moorings (since now)
Also in my previous boat (Wauquiez Hood 38, 10 tons) I had 10 mm chain without mooring problem
Hoping to meet you in Med this summer
Ornella
Santorin Earendil N° 122

----- Original Message -----
From: phil.berghmans
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] amel santorin rigging ,anchorchain


hello everyone,

i've just bougth a amel santorin 1994 in the Med.We are planning to
leave the med april/ may next year.Through the red sea or via
Gibralter Atlantic we don't know yet.

We had a survey done wich was overall quite positive (she's a clean boat
wich didn't cruise that much)Previous owner kept her in a permenent
mooring in a marina and did some daysailing i presume.

The surveyor had 2 remarks about the rigging being 14 years old and
better should be changed allthough it doesn't show any signs off teare
and weare?Does anyone have any advise or experiance with this and what
this would cost?

Second there is an 8mm galvenised anchorchain with a 20 kg cqr anchor
wich i am planning to replase by a 30kg type bugel,spade or rocna
anchor.The surveyor said the 8mm chain is to ligth for a 14m boat off
about 11 or 12 ton loaded and should be changed by a 10 mm chain?
Does anyone have any experience or advice on this?

I thank you and glad to join the club!

phil from "2 miles ahead"






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] amel santorin rigging ,anchorchain

amelforme
 

Hi Phil ,Hope you get a lot of pleasure from your Santorin .Your surveyor
gave you very good advice .Stainless steel "work hardens" and becomes more
and more brittle every time it goes through a load-unload cycle .It can look
brand new and fail without warning .15 years should be considered a full
life for even the finest quality rigging .When you do replace the rigging
,look into mechanical end fittings like Norsemen or Stalock in stead of
swaged fittings as they are stronger .You will sleep better with the larger
size chain .

All the best,
Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Fax: (954) 462-3923
Email: jfpottercys@att.net


amel santorin rigging ,anchorchain

phil.berghmans <no_reply@...>
 

hello everyone,

i've just bougth a amel santorin 1994 in the Med.We are planning to
leave the med april/ may next year.Through the red sea or via
Gibralter Atlantic we don't know yet.

We had a survey done wich was overall quite positive (she's a clean boat
wich didn't cruise that much)Previous owner kept her in a permenent
mooring in a marina and did some daysailing i presume.

The surveyor had 2 remarks about the rigging being 14 years old and
better should be changed allthough it doesn't show any signs off teare
and weare?Does anyone have any advise or experiance with this and what
this would cost?

Second there is an 8mm galvenised anchorchain with a 20 kg cqr anchor
wich i am planning to replase by a 30kg type bugel,spade or rocna
anchor.The surveyor said the 8mm chain is to ligth for a 14m boat off
about 11 or 12 ton loaded and should be changed by a 10 mm chain?
Does anyone have any experience or advice on this?

I thank you and glad to join the club!

phil from "2 miles ahead"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Coppercoat

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Ian,

The link below your message takes me to an Iron Man game. I am afraid to a
Copper Man! I think it is cinema related which may be why Indiana Jones came
up for someone else. CopperCoat sounds interesting. Copper cladding was
after all the solution used by sailing vessels of yesteryear, and so it
should work. I tried adding an antibiotic powder to the paint a couple of
years ago. So far it's been OK though I do have to brush off the occasional
loose growth occasionally. But then I have been marina bound for most of
that time, though I hope to be on the move for a while in a couple of weeks
time.

Regards

Ian Shepherd - Crusader SM 414

-------Original Message-------

From: Ian & Judy Jenkins
Date: 06/18/08 13:22:46
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Coppercoat


Hi Eric, What link did you click onto????Try www.coppercoat.com or www
coppercoat.co.uk
It's clear from one of the yachting magazine trials that they refer to on
the Coppercoat website ( the Practical Boat Owner magazine, a UK
publication) that there have been other manufacturers in the past who have
had limited success in trying to produce a similar product but it does seem
that these particular manufacturers have cracked it. Hope so!
Cheers, Ian

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