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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Robin,
I suspect builders have traditionally used hose to protect against
vibration and it may be quicker to install during construction. Plus
they don't have to worry about us poor buggers having to replace it
every few years!
I believe the flexible couplings I used are a relatively new product
and that removes the vibration issue. PVC has been the US household
standard for many years and its total impermeability means no odor,
ever.
Regards, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter
<robincooter@...> wrote:
...... I'm a bit puzzled by the use of PVC pipe. We spend a great
deal of money fitting odour proof piping so why doesn't the odour
penetrate the PVC, and if it doesn't why do the builder fit expensive
pipe?

Robin

Craig & Katherine <sangaris@...> wrote: Ken -
..... By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and
flexible rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It
works great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

georges pellegrini <dji314@...>
 

When Amel instals the tank, the cover panel is cut in half vertically
and the rear portion is fitted with screws (7 I believe). The tank is
only in the rear half of the locker, above the shelf. To get access to
the tank you just have to remove the little cabinet and the wood towels
bars, and then the panel comes easily. The tank is fiberglassed to the
hull. It is only about 10 gallons or so.
The vent is done through the cap on the deck and through the exit hole
when the valve is open. Actually, it is only a small hole in the cap,
but it seems to work since I visited it last summer, and it is fairly
clean (if I can say that), with no bacteria growth. Very easy to rinse
too.
Actually I had a pump go bad, and it is true that when you open, all
what is in the big white pipe dumps into the shower tank. But
fortunately, you have the shower...
George, Santorin #132 Greenlight




On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Robin Cooter wrote:

The structural integrity is a valid point.   When AMEL retro fit their
tank to a Santorin they only use the after top section of the heads
lockers (for’d), and do not remove the centre partition as I have done
to fit a larger tank.   My question to anyone who has had a reto
fitted tank in a Santorin is “does AMEL fibreglass the face panel (the
for and aft panel that covers the lockers) back in place?”   If they
do I don’t see how you can replace all the pipework.   You can replace
the outlet pipe easily enough but I don’t see how you get to the inlet
pipe and, if ever necessary, the pump out pipe and if they don’t then
they must feel that the strength generated is not absolutely necessary
– can anybody explain?
  
  A factor that worries me if the apparent lack of a ventilation pipe
to the tank.   All my reading, and advice from manufacturers states
that you need air circulation in the tank to keep bacteria down and
reduce smell.   Does AMEL really not have a air vent pipe?
  
  From experience I do like the simplicity of the straight through
system where the heads can flush straight to sea and can be held in
the holding tank in port by use of one valve.  Only the heads pump to
go wrong!
  
  I’m a bit puzzled by the use of PVC pipe.   We spend a great deal
of money fitting odour proof piping so why doesn’t the odour penetrate
the PVC, and if it doesn’t why do the builder fit expensive pipe?
  
  Robin


Craig & Katherine <sangaris@aol.com> wrote:  Ken -
  A prior owner of our boat, "Sangaris" (Hull#68-1992), did an
installation similar to Robin's except the full wall panel was
removed so that after the tank was installed on the middle shelf and
the full original panel put back in place it kept the original
appearance.  You can't get to the tank without some dissembly, but
not a problem so far.
  Unfortunately, you loose storage space and destroy the monocoque
structure Amel intended by having the full panel bonded in place. I
think a better solution would be a Raritan Saniflush/holding tank
combo installed under the towel rack next to the toilet, with some
finish paneling over it for appearance sake. It would give you easy
maintenance access and avoid the downside of cutting out the panel.
Plus that space is only handy for hanging towels - you could stil
have a foot or so above the unit. You could also nudge it a bit under
the sink.
  By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and flexible
rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It works
great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells.  I run
muriatic acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup -
(which works with hose, too.)
Good luck,
  Craig Briggs

- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
wrote:
>
> When we purchased our boat (Santorin 004) we knew that we would
have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S.   A friend ...
had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then
cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. ....  
>   Robin Cooter  
>
> oceanhobo1 <ken@...> wrote:  We want to install holding tanks in
our 1998 Santorin....> Has anyone had this done?.  We would
appreciate any information on how
> and best place to fit them....
> Regards

> Ken on OceanHobo1







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] vent on newer model sm

eric freedman
 

I looked near the tanks on the hull and couldn't find anything.
Thanks
Eric
Fair Winds,
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] vent on newer model sm

I can't answer your question but if they are fitted they should go though
the upper part of the hull near the tank and will probably have a metal
shield covering the outlet.

Robin



eric <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi,
I have hull #376.
I was wondering where the vents for the holding tanks are located.

Fair Winds,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] vent on newer model sm

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

I can't answer your question but if they are fitted they should go though the upper part of the hull near the tank and will probably have a metal shield covering the outlet.

Robin



eric <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi,
I have hull #376.
I was wondering where the vents for the holding tanks are located.

Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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vent on newer model sm

eric freedman
 

Hi,
I have hull #376.
I was wondering where the vents for the holding tanks are located.

Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

The structural integrity is a valid point. When AMEL retro fit their tank to a Santorin they only use the after top section of the heads lockers (for’d), and do not remove the centre partition as I have done to fit a larger tank. My question to anyone who has had a reto fitted tank in a Santorin is “does AMEL fibreglass the face panel (the for and aft panel that covers the lockers) back in place?” If they do I don’t see how you can replace all the pipework. You can replace the outlet pipe easily enough but I don’t see how you get to the inlet pipe and, if ever necessary, the pump out pipe and if they don’t then they must feel that the strength generated is not absolutely necessary – can anybody explain?

A factor that worries me if the apparent lack of a ventilation pipe to the tank. All my reading, and advice from manufacturers states that you need air circulation in the tank to keep bacteria down and reduce smell. Does AMEL really not have a air vent pipe?

From experience I do like the simplicity of the straight through system where the heads can flush straight to sea and can be held in the holding tank in port by use of one valve. Only the heads pump to go wrong!

I’m a bit puzzled by the use of PVC pipe. We spend a great deal of money fitting odour proof piping so why doesn’t the odour penetrate the PVC, and if it doesn’t why do the builder fit expensive pipe?

Robin


Craig & Katherine <sangaris@aol.com> wrote: Ken -
A prior owner of our boat, "Sangaris" (Hull#68-1992), did an
installation similar to Robin's except the full wall panel was
removed so that after the tank was installed on the middle shelf and
the full original panel put back in place it kept the original
appearance. You can't get to the tank without some dissembly, but
not a problem so far.
Unfortunately, you loose storage space and destroy the monocoque
structure Amel intended by having the full panel bonded in place. I
think a better solution would be a Raritan Saniflush/holding tank
combo installed under the towel rack next to the toilet, with some
finish paneling over it for appearance sake. It would give you easy
maintenance access and avoid the downside of cutting out the panel.
Plus that space is only handy for hanging towels - you could stil
have a foot or so above the unit. You could also nudge it a bit under
the sink.
By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and flexible
rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It works
great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells. I run
muriatic acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup -
(which works with hose, too.)
Good luck,
Craig Briggs

- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
wrote:

When we purchased our boat (Santorin 004) we knew that we would
have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend ...
had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then
cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. ....
Robin Cooter

oceanhobo1 <ken@...> wrote: We want to install holding tanks in
our 1998 Santorin....> Has anyone had this done?. We would
appreciate any information on how
and best place to fit them....
Regards
Ken on OceanHobo1






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Ken -
A prior owner of our boat, "Sangaris" (Hull#68-1992), did an
installation similar to Robin's except the full wall panel was
removed so that after the tank was installed on the middle shelf and
the full original panel put back in place it kept the original
appearance. You can't get to the tank without some dissembly, but
not a problem so far.
Unfortunately, you loose storage space and destroy the monocoque
structure Amel intended by having the full panel bonded in place. I
think a better solution would be a Raritan Saniflush/holding tank
combo installed under the towel rack next to the toilet, with some
finish paneling over it for appearance sake. It would give you easy
maintenance access and avoid the downside of cutting out the panel.
Plus that space is only handy for hanging towels - you could stil
have a foot or so above the unit. You could also nudge it a bit under
the sink.
By the way, I replaced all the hose with PVC piping and flexible
rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve. It works
great, is easier to work with than hose and NEVER smells. I run
muriatic acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup -
(which works with hose, too.)
Good luck,
Craig Briggs

- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
wrote:

When we purchased our boat (Santorin 004) we knew that we would
have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend ...
had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then
cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. ....
Robin Cooter

oceanhobo1 <ken@...> wrote: We want to install holding tanks in
our 1998 Santorin....> Has anyone had this done?. We would
appreciate any information on how
and best place to fit them....
Regards
Ken on OceanHobo1


Autopilot brushes

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello Robin,
I do not know how old your Santorin is but I do know that the linear
drive that I bought about 14 or 15 years ago was made by a British
company called Klaxon in Luton (I guess they used to make car hooters
about 80 years ago). By 1997 or 8 when the brushes went
Raymarine/Autohelm had switched to another manufacturer...we were in
Fiji and Raymarine UK told me that they had switched but failed to
give me an address or fax no. You could try contacting Raymarine UK
giving them the serial no of your drive and ask them for all the
contact details. You should also open up the end of the drive to see
whether the gears are metal or plastic as the latter have a life of
about 12-15,000 miles and are a vital spare...they used to cost £12.50
for the plastic and £125.00 for the metal ones now used by Amel.
Let us know how you get on.

Good luck, Anne and John, SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] auto pilot brushes

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

Would be very appreciative if you could let me have name and/or address, phone number and E-mail of the firm you got the brushes from

caramel02uk <pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk> wrote: whilst in Trinidad I went to the Raymarine agent and asked that he get
me a set of brushes for my Type 2 linier drive motor. I work on the
basis that if I have a spare the unit will never need it!!
Guess what Raymarine USA Michael.J.Warren@raymarine.com advised
brushes cannot be supplied, his alternative was to sell me a complete
new motor. I was under the impression supplies of spares had to be
offered for 10 years after withdralal of an item but I could be wrong
on this.
I tracked down the motor manufacturer who is based in GWYNEDD Wales and
for GBP18 I got 4 brushes sent to me.






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

When we purchased our boat (Santorin 004) we knew that we would have to fit holding tanks as we were going to the U.S. A friend had one tank fitted to his Santorin by AMEL and I worked out that I could have two fitted for the price of his one! I measured up the space - quite difficult as the centre, athawtships, partitition was still in place. I ordered the tanks and took them out to St Raphael where a local shipwrite, very familiar with AMELs fitted them. He had to cut the fibreglass tape holding the front panel on and then cut away the centre partition before fitting the tanks. The size is not absoloutely perfect but it is not a bad fit. If I have an E-mail address I can sent you an attachment from my boat's information file with a couple of photos. In the first photo you can clearly see the fit of the forward tank. The sanitation hoses are clearly visible, the pumpout goes to the deck which shows the clearance between the top of the tank and the deck. There is also
a ventilation pipe that goes from the top to a "covered" hole at the top of the hull. This is important in order to slow down bacterial build op and the attendent smell. It also helps if you have guests who forget to empty the tank and try to overfill it as it acts as an emergency overflow! The information is on how to change the pipework. I like the system as you can use the toilet as a "straight through" system whilst at sea and as a holding tank in port and there are no pumps etc. It's worked o.k. for us for 6 years.

We are off abroad on Wednesday and would not be able to send you the infor for a coulpe of months so if it might be of any use please let me know ASAP.

Robin Cooter



oceanhobo1 <ken@xpress-services.co.uk> wrote: We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us
that the tanks fitted to the SM will not fit the Santorin, and that we
have to have them specially made.

Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how
and best place to fit them. We are berthed at present in Spain.



Regards

Ken on OceanHobo1





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

georges pellegrini <dji314@...>
 

On my 96 Santorin this has been done by Amel for the forward head.
The tank is fitted behind the panel, just below deck and forward of the
separation where the little cabinet is (the one with mirror doors). It
is true that it is a special tank. No more that a resin box that holds
about 10 gallons.
It has 3 hoses attached to it:
-One on top, coming from the head
-one on top going through the deck, for flushing and inspection, and
closed with a cap with vent.
-one at the bottom going to the valve then through the hull.
If you leave the vave open, it works as a regular head. If you close
the valve, you use the holding tank.
Georges, Santorin Greenlight

On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:29 AM, oceanhobo1 wrote:

We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us
that the tanks fitted to the SM will not fit the Santorin, and that we
have to have them specially made.

Has anyone had this done?.  We would appreciate any information on how
and best place to fit them. We are berthed at present in Spain.



Regards

Ken on OceanHobo1




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Holding Tanks in Amel Santorin

oceanhobo1 <ken@...>
 

We want to install holding tanks in our 1998 Santorin, Amel inform us
that the tanks fitted to the SM will not fit the Santorin, and that we
have to have them specially made.

Has anyone had this done?. We would appreciate any information on how
and best place to fit them. We are berthed at present in Spain.



Regards

Ken on OceanHobo1


Need informationes - Battery compartment

PFM53 <pfm53@...>
 

I need to order baterries for my 1995 SM, but I am not physically at the boat.
I need to know if anyone knows the standard size of the battery compartment
on the SM. If anyone has those dimensions, I would be very appreciative of
their input

Jerry
PFM #133


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - pictures

rbenven44 <no_reply@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, michael grunstein
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:

Hi Roy,

I am impressed with your painting job!
Did you use masking tape? and what do you mean by
"one-part Polyurethane"?
I am definitely going to do the same as the fading
paint is an eyesore.

Thanks, Michael Grunstein (#345)



Hi Michael,
Thanks for the compliment. The best description of the process
was posted by Ann Harsh of Harmonie on Sept 6 2003, under subject:
Deck Grooves. Do a search on this site to find that posting.
We used the Embee Striper, a small brass wheel (roller) with a 1
oz. glass paint bottle attached. We used the 3/16 in. width brass
wheel, which required just two passes on the grooves to fill them
with paint. No masking tape is needed -- the groove is sufficiently
depressed from the deck to keep the brass wheel and the paint
contained. Use the edge of the groove to guide the roller. Do a
Google search on "Embee paint striper" and you will find suppliers --
typically art supply stores. We bought the kit with 8 different
brass wheels, but only used one. You will also need a small brush
for the corners and other hard-to reach places like under cleats.
The paint we used was Pettit EasyPoxy One-part Polyurethane
Enamel. Interlux sells a similar paint: Brightside One-part
polyurethane enamel. One-part means you don't have to mix two
components and hope they don't "set" before you finish painting. As
the painting takes time, this type of paint just makes it harder.
You'll have a hard time finding a brown color to match Amel's
original gelcoat color. Use black -- it looks great! Get a quart of
the proper paint thinner, as you'll need it to clean up spots where
the paint goes over the edge of the groove. Use a clean cloth and a
fingernail. Finally, get a 10-oz.(or so) plastic squeeze bottle with
a small spout to refill the 1-oz. glass bottle -- nothing else works.
Thanks again to Ann Harsh who showed us the way.

Roy on Excalibur SM#195


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - pictures

michael grunstein <mgrunstein2002@...>
 

Hi Roy,

I am impressed with your painting job!
Did you use masking tape? and what do you mean by
"one-part Polyurethane"?
I am definitely going to do the same as the fading
paint is an eyesore.

Thanks, Michael Grunstein (#345)



--- rbenven44 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,
We bought the Polytrol at Acastillages Diffusion
(AD), a shipchandler
in Hyeres, France. They have a web site. I don't
know if the
product is available in US, but probably in
Caribbean (St. Martin or
Martinique).
Roy

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric
<kimberlite@o...> wrote:

Roy,
Where did you get polytrol?
Fair Winds,
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of rbenven44
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes
- pictures

Hi,
Following the advice posted here by Harmonie a
couple of years
ago,
we painted the deck stripes on Excalibur last
November. Excalibur
is 8
years old, and in need of deck attention (we
probably scrub the
decks
too much!!)
I have posted some pictures on this web site
for those who want
to
see what it looks like, (before and after). We
are very pleased
with
the results. We used the Embee striper, as
recommended, and one-
part
polyurethane paint (50% brown, 50% black). It
took 6 days at 3
hours
per day for the decks, and 2 days for the cockpit.
After letting
the
paint dry for a few days, we coated all the
surfaces with Polytrol,
a
French product recommended by Mr. Selo at Amel.
The decks look
like
new. The picture of the re-painted forward deck
areas show before-
and-
after of applying Polytrol.
Any questions on how to do this, please contact
me.

Regards, Roy on Excalibur SM#195







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Half Hull Model of Super Maramu

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

AMEL produce half models for the Santorin so I would be fairly sure they produce one for the Super Maramu. Might be worth asking them for a price.

Robin Cooter

closereach <closereach@yahoo.com> wrote:
We're thinking of having a half hull model built to mount on the main
bulkhead in the saloon. Here's what we've found out:

A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus
S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany
backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull,
bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to
build.
To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months
to build.
For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case)
price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build.
If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com).

All the best to everyone,

Richard Tate
SM #5 Spice






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Half Hull Model of Super Maramu

Zanareva
 

We're thinking of having a half hull model built to mount on the main
bulkhead in the saloon. Here's what we've found out:

A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus
S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany
backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull,
bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to
build.
To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months
to build.
For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case)
price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build.
If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com).

All the best to everyone,

Richard Tate
SM #5 Spice


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Half Hull Model of Super Maramu

dlm48@...
 

In a message dated 01/02/2006 14:06:48 GMT Standard Time,
closereach@yahoo.com writes:

A traditional half hull model from www.halfhulls.com is US$445 plus
S&H. Halfhull is 18" (45 cm) long mounted on a solid mahogany
backboard 24" (61 cm) long. The price includes color matching the hull,
bootstripe, cove stripe, and nonfouling bottom paint. One month to
build.
To add the cockpit and cabin, the price is US$990 plus S&H. Two months
to build.
For a full 2 foot long model with rigging (with custom display case)
price is around US$8,000, and it'll take six to twelve months to build.
If you're interested, contact: Jim Fraley (jimfraley@halfhulls.com).

All the best to everyone,

Richard Tate
SM #5 Spice






GULP that sounds expensive cant you get the lines and make one yourself OR
Does Amel not have half hull models?

regards

David


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel contact info question

jrjrjrouse2000 <judyrouse@...>
 

Since Yahoo strips out the email addresses in these posts, would you
please send Olivier Beaute's email address to me at:
judyrouse "at" houston.rr.com

Thanks,

Judy

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd"
<ocean53@s...> wrote:

Hi Judy,

Welcome to the Amel fraternity. If you want parts, contact Olivier
Beaute in
La Rochelle via email amel@a... (or by phone or fax). Olivier
speaks
excellent English and is most helpful. Delivery is normally by DHL
or, if
you prefer by post .

I have enclosed my details on Amel below.

Happy Sailing

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader

Chantiers AMEL
16, rue Joseph Cugnot
BP 15 17 182
PERIGNY Cedex
France

Tél. : +33.546.55.17.31

Fax. : +33.546.45.43.03




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel contact info question

Ian Shepherd <ocean53@...>
 

Hi Judy,

Welcome to the Amel fraternity. If you want parts, contact Olivier Beaute in
La Rochelle via email amel@amel.fr (or by phone or fax). Olivier speaks
excellent English and is most helpful. Delivery is normally by DHL or, if
you prefer by post .

I have enclosed my details on Amel below.

Happy Sailing

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader

Chantiers AMEL
16, rue Joseph Cugnot
BP 15 17 182
PERIGNY Cedex
France

Tél. : +33.546.55.17.31

Fax. : +33.546.45.43.03