[Amel Yacht Owners] winterizing watermaker
Anne and John Hollamby <hollamby@...>
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<I had this problem when I was shipping my Oyster back from NZ and got some very helpful info from Sea Recovery.They recommend changing the prefilters and then flushing the system with a cleansing/sterilising solution in product or non chlorinated water. The system should then be run on a solution of their system and membrane element storage chemical with a solution of food grade gl;ycerine (polyproylene glycol which I bought at a local pharmacy). My info may well be out of date and you might want to put the question to them at info@searecovery.com without telling them that your system is not one of theirs! Best wishes, Anne and John Bali Hai SM319
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trip around the horn
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots. thnaks eric sm 376 kimberlite
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Re: Propane Conversion
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
I found a great marine plumbing supply in the marina in la Rochelle.
He has a kit of 3 adapters that will convert your system to almost any gas supply. i used this while i was in europe. for the trans atlantic trip i decided to convert to propane.i found it very easy to convert from butane to propane. i removed the wood butane rack, tanks , and regulator also the "T" connector at the solenoid. i added a adapter that i purchased in home depot from "i think 1/4 inch" pipe thread at the solenoid to the hose that connects to a trident wall mount regulator. i mounted the regulator to the underside of the top of the gas locker. from there i used a single hose to either of my 2 tanks. a 20 and 10 pound aluminum tank. I do not like the idea of having both tanks hooked up at once . when you run out of gas you are 100 % out if both are hooked together. i prefer to switch to a new tank manually. we crossed the atlantic with 5 crew including a professional chef- who cooked too much- on less than 10 lbs of propane. Fair winds, eric --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "edmund_steele" <edmundsteele@e...> wrote: Hi Walter,3 months ago. The plywood rack that holds the butane bottlesunscrews into its component parts. The base is lightly glued into place andcut a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to match the base of the locker, withtwo cut-outs to hold the base of the tanks.the electric shut-off valve. I solved this by purchasing a connectorplus a couple of hose clamps from a propane supply store. This involvedme cutting off the connector from the butane hose and replacing itwith the purchased connector.and it requires the air tube gap at the gas jet, be adjusted from 6mmof propane versus the Amel supplied 12 lbs. of butane.
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Re: 110 Volt Power
kimberlite1212 <no_reply@...>
the amel plug has 3 wires a green and yellow and two hot 110 volt
wires. The usa side has a green, white, black and red. when you connect the amel to the 220 volt 50 amp twistlock you do not use the usa side white. the green and yellow goes to the usa green the other 2 amel wires go to the red and the black. AGAIN do not use the us white (neutral side). I have had no problem connecting in the virgin islands and in the USA. I leave the 50 amp twistlock connected to my boat and use a number of adapter cords that i have made to connect elsewhere. Fair winds, eric Freedman Kimberlite sm 376 when you connect this to a twist --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "edmund_steele" <edmundsteele@e...> wrote: Walter,and length of an Amel, they will most probably supply 50 Ampere /220Volt power. The supply outlet may in the form of a single twist lockplug. The plug contains 4 connectors which are both phases of 110 volts,a common and a ground wire. Many boaters (the majority are powersells for US$409.99and that was because I did not have a 220V extension cord at the time.to take enough power off the 110 volt supply to run air-conditionersUSA. For example, a 50 foot 110 volt extension cord may sell for US$40but a 50 foot 220 volt extension cord may cost near US$600. If you arenot afraid of using a screwdriver, you can cut the plugs off a 110volt extension cord and replace the plugs with 220 volt plugs.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 110v
amelforme
Hello Walter,
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Joel Potter here. When you get to the Caribbean, you will find 220 volts more often than 110 volts. The bane of your existence will be in collecting the assortment of plug-in adapters...every marina seems to have different outlets. Coincidentally, most dock masters just happen to have the proper adapter for their outlets...they never cost less than three digits. To convert 110 volt to 220 volt most cost effectively, get a "reverse-Y" cord. It plugs into two 110 volt outlets to give you 220 volt and employs a blocking diode so you don't get smoked. West Marine has one, part # 491985. It's a Marinco product and Marinco's product number is MARCO 167RY. Retail is 549.50, but I've seen them on sale for less than $400. Hope this helps. Best regards to the entire crew on LINNEA. Joel F. Potter AMEL SUPER MARAMU, MARY BROWN hull # 400
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From: Walter Lundstrom [mailto:linneasail@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:25 AM To: AmelGroup Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 110v We have just left the Med, and we're going to Caribbean and later on Florida with "Linnea" our SMM 2000. We have not installed an inverter and are looking for a simple way to get 220v from the 110 outlets in the US. I know that we will not be able to use the dish washer and the washer/dryer due to the difference in frequency. However, I have some recollection about some really simple and smart way to get 220v from 110v. Any advise would be great! Walter S/Y Linnea (hull no. 366) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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110 Volt Power
edmund_steele
Walter,
If the marina you are planning on visiting can handle the depth and length of an Amel, they will most probably supply 50 Ampere / 220Volt power. The supply outlet may in the form of a single twist lock plug. The plug contains 4 connectors which are both phases of 110 volts, a common and a ground wire. Many boaters (the majority are power boaters) in the USA will then use a "splitter" to separate this supply into two 110 volt cables which are then plugged into their vessels as two separate cables. For the Amel, we simply plug the single 220V cable directly into the boat. Some marinas supply two 110 volt twist lock plugs on a post. These outlets are of opposite phase so they can be combined to produce a 220 volt supply. This is the inverse of the "splitter" mentioned above and can be purchased from WestMarine (www.westmarine.com). WestMarine call this a "Reverse Y Adapter" Model 491985 and it sells for US$409.99 I have only once had to use a transformer to get 220V from 110V and that was because I did not have a 220V extension cord at the time. This approach is also very limiting as you probably won't be able to take enough power off the 110 volt supply to run air-conditioners without throwing it's breaker. BTW, anything that has 220V on it tends to cost a fortune in the USA. For example, a 50 foot 110 volt extension cord may sell for US$40 but a 50 foot 220 volt extension cord may cost near US$600. If you are not afraid of using a screwdriver, you can cut the plugs off a 110 volt extension cord and replace the plugs with 220 volt plugs. Ed Steele DoodleBug SM331
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Propane Conversion
edmund_steele
Hi Walter,
We ("DoodleBug SM331") switched our system from Butane to Propane 3 months ago. The plywood rack that holds the butane bottles unscrews into its component parts. The base is lightly glued into place and pries out easily. I put in two aluminium tanks of 20lbs and 10lbs. capacity plus two regulators - all purchased from WestMarine. I cut a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to match the base of the locker, with two cut-outs to hold the base of the tanks. The hard part was getting a fitting to hook the regulators into the electric shut-off valve. I solved this by purchasing a connector plus a couple of hose clamps from a propane supply store. This involved me cutting off the connector from the butane hose and replacing it with the purchased connector. The burners on the stove require no adjustment but the oven burner needs to have the air tube adjusted. We have the Eno brand stove and it requires the air tube gap at the gas jet, be adjusted from 6mm (butane) to 4 mm (propane). I used an appropriately sized allen wrench to measure this. Pressure test the system before you fire it up! We now carry 30lbs of propane versus the Amel supplied 12 lbs. of butane. Ed Steele edmundsteele@earthlink.net
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Switching toi Propane
Marty Scheinberg <martyray@...>
If you plan in advance Amel will build a mini locker (typical Amel excellence) in the aft
lazerette. They would need an empty propane tank in order to build to size. The mini locker would house two propane tanks. The gas line that runs from the galley aft, would remain the same. However, a different size "Y" valve would also live in the locker to accomodate the different type of gas. It would also be quite simple to switch back to butane. In addition, an On /Off propane switch would be mounted in the galley area [physically close to the butane switch (Ouvert/Ferme)] and the gas would flow through both switches. I leave the butane O/F switch permanently in the Ouvert position. I recommend a visit to the yard in Hyeres. My SM is "Rosebud", hull # 191. More info required? Feel free to ontact me.. Good Luck, Marty
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] switching to Propane
Jim <jim@...>
Hi Walter,
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Group member martyray@bellatlantic.net, owner of SM Rosedbud has used propane for several years. I am sending him a copy of your email. Good luck. Jim Grossman
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From: Walter Lundstrom To: AmelGroup Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] switching to Propane Hi, We have been in the Med for the last 18 months with "Linnea" our Amel SMM (hull no. 366). Our boat is currently setup with the standard butane bottles supplied by Amel. However, we are crossing to Caribbean (and later Florida) in a few weeks, and it seems like we will need to switch to propane. Does anybody have any advise/experience about what changes we would need to do to start using propane instead of butane? Walter Lundstrom S/Y Linnea Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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110v
Walter Lundstrom <linneasail@...>
We have just left the Med, and we're going to Caribbean and later on Florida
with "Linnea" our SMM 2000. We have not installed an inverter and are looking for a simple way to get 220v from the 110 outlets in the US. I know that we will not be able to use the dish washer and the washer/dryer due to the difference in frequency. However, I have some recollection about some really simple and smart way to get 220v from 110v. Any advise would be great! Walter S/Y Linnea (hull no. 366)
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switching to Propane
Walter Lundstrom <linneasail@...>
Hi,
We have been in the Med for the last 18 months with "Linnea" our Amel SMM (hull no. 366). Our boat is currently setup with the standard butane bottles supplied by Amel. However, we are crossing to Caribbean (and later Florida) in a few weeks, and it seems like we will need to switch to propane. Does anybody have any advise/experience about what changes we would need to do to start using propane instead of butane? Walter Lundstrom S/Y Linnea
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Life raft
Hans-Joachim Schröder <Achimschro@...>
Hello Michael,
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no specific information available for this particular liferaft. The manufacturer was highly recognized in Germany for the quality of their products. Their focus is no longer on liferafts for leisure boats. The website is: www.bfa-augsburg.de Hope this helps. Regards Achim Schröder Kirk # 81 "Assis"
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From: silkair@aol.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Life raft Could anyone give me any positive or negative comments about a 15 year old Deutsche Parachute 6-man liferaft. Thanks, Michael P. McCarthy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rig tuning
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Howdy PEN AZEN.
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Boat show here, hence the delay. Yes the mizzen backstays are much looser. You can tighten them so they don't vibrate in big breeze but not too much. I plan on a large write up on rig tuning as soon as the show is over. Hope this helps. All the best, Joel
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From: Ian & Judy Jenkins [mailto:ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 2:48 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rig tuning Hi Joel, On the subject of rigs, how tight do you make your backstays? Every other part of my standing rigging is very tight but my backstays have always had a fair bit of play in them.Would you tighten them to the same extent as the rest of the rig? Ian Jenkins, Pen Azen SM 302 >From: "Joel F. Potter" <jfpottercys@att.net> >Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com >To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rig tuning >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:10:38 -0400 > >Hi Vito, > >I NEVER advocated a loose rig. It's dangerous to have loose rigging on an >AMEL. Most riggers/yards loosen the rigging because most boats are tuned >loose because they flex. Amels are tuned very tight because they don't >flex. You shouldn't have much sag in the headstay and very little, if any, >real slop in the lazy side shourds. > >TIGHT IS RIGHT. NEVER LOOSE. > >Hope this helps. >Joel SUPER MARAMU MILLENNIUM #400 "MARY BROWN" > -----Original Message----- > From: asm283 [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:53 AM > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rig tuning > > > I would be intrested in any opinions and recomendations on tuning the > Amel ketch rig. The proper tune of the rig is directly related to the > boats ability to point. Joel you recomend a loose rig what is your > reason for this? > > Thanks > > Vito Ciaravino > asm283 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW
BINS Dick <richard.bins@...>
Joel
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It was nice to briefly visit with you and your lovely wife in Annapolis. Commissioning ISSUES on the HR prevented us from meeting with you. We did have an eventful & enjoyable two week cruise on the Chesapeake. We are attempting to schedule a return to Ft. Lauderdale before Xmas, to revisit the Mary Brown & inspect a new Tayana 55 that was recently delivered down there. Hoping you have a successful show in FT. Lauderdale. Richard Bins
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From: Joel F. Potter [mailto:jfpottercys@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:24 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW WOOPS! You who are familiar with Fort Lauderdale already know that there is no PIER 55, our boat will be at PIER 66, Dock C-64. Hope to see you there. All the best, Vela Potter -----Original Message----- From: Joel F. Potter [mailto:jfpottercys@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:38 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW Dear Fellow Amel Owners: With the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show upon us from October 30th - November 3, we have received numerous inquiries from the Amel tribe on obtaining free tickets to the show. I have a good supply of tickets for Friday October 31 through Monday November 3 available on a first come first served basis. My own Super Maramu Millennium MARY BROWN will be displayed at the show at Pier 55 at Dock C-64. This is an "open entry" part of the show, you don't need a ticket to get in. Just stop by MARY BROWN and I'll be pleased to give you tickets for the rest of the show. Free shuttle buses run about every twenty minutes to this area from parking at the Convention Center and on to the shows other venues. Again, I have a good supply of tickets, not a limitless supply. I don't expect to run out but...Additionally, we spend a great deal of energy and money to prepare for and to exhibit at the boat show. We may not be able to visit with you for as long as we wish so please try and understand if we seem pre-occupied. The first function of boat shows is to take maximum advantage of this target rich, uh, I mean potential client laden environment. The show will not be the proper place to request parts and service nor to share in any tales of woe...there's a time and a place for everything. Everyone at Amel is always more than happy to assist our clients as best we can through proper channels. Myself and Vela along with Stephanie Rullier from the Amel Shipyard in La Rochelle will be aboard. We look forward to seeing as many of you as possible during the show. Until then, fair winds and following seas. All the best, Joel F. Potter Cruising Yacht Specialist Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Super Maramu Millennium #400 "MARY BROWN" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050657 92:HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3052 9&media=atkins> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1754016/rand=136421703> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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winterizing watermaker
Randy Kilmon <drifter01us@...>
"Drifter" has been in the Caribbean for the past four
years. We're back in the Chesapeake Bay now and need to winterize the watermaker. The Amel manual suggests using glycerin mixed with the "pickleing" chemical. Does anyone know if the non-toxic, pink antifreeze would work just as well? Many thanks, Randy Kilmon S/Y "Drifter" Amel SM 2000 #240 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rig tuning
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Joel, On the subject of rigs, how tight do you make your backstays? Every other part of my standing rigging is very tight but my backstays have always had a fair bit of play in them.Would you tighten them to the same extent as the rest of the rig? Ian Jenkins, Pen Azen SM 302
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
WOOPS! You who are familiar with Fort Lauderdale already know that there is
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no PIER 55, our boat will be at PIER 66, Dock C-64. Hope to see you there. All the best, Vela Potter
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From: Joel F. Potter [mailto:jfpottercys@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:38 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW Dear Fellow Amel Owners: With the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show upon us from October 30th - November 3, we have received numerous inquiries from the Amel tribe on obtaining free tickets to the show. I have a good supply of tickets for Friday October 31 through Monday November 3 available on a first come first served basis. My own Super Maramu Millennium MARY BROWN will be displayed at the show at Pier 55 at Dock C-64. This is an "open entry" part of the show, you don't need a ticket to get in. Just stop by MARY BROWN and I'll be pleased to give you tickets for the rest of the show. Free shuttle buses run about every twenty minutes to this area from parking at the Convention Center and on to the shows other venues. Again, I have a good supply of tickets, not a limitless supply. I don't expect to run out but...Additionally, we spend a great deal of energy and money to prepare for and to exhibit at the boat show. We may not be able to visit with you for as long as we wish so please try and understand if we seem pre-occupied. The first function of boat shows is to take maximum advantage of this target rich, uh, I mean potential client laden environment. The show will not be the proper place to request parts and service nor to share in any tales of woe...there's a time and a place for everything. Everyone at Amel is always more than happy to assist our clients as best we can through proper channels. Myself and Vela along with Stephanie Rullier from the Amel Shipyard in La Rochelle will be aboard. We look forward to seeing as many of you as possible during the show. Until then, fair winds and following seas. All the best, Joel F. Potter Cruising Yacht Specialist Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Super Maramu Millennium #400 "MARY BROWN" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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FT. LAUDERDALE BOAT SHOW
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Dear Fellow Amel Owners:
With the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show upon us from October 30th - November 3, we have received numerous inquiries from the Amel tribe on obtaining free tickets to the show. I have a good supply of tickets for Friday October 31 through Monday November 3 available on a first come first served basis. My own Super Maramu Millennium MARY BROWN will be displayed at the show at Pier 55 at Dock C-64. This is an "open entry" part of the show, you don't need a ticket to get in. Just stop by MARY BROWN and I'll be pleased to give you tickets for the rest of the show. Free shuttle buses run about every twenty minutes to this area from parking at the Convention Center and on to the shows other venues. Again, I have a good supply of tickets, not a limitless supply. I don't expect to run out but...Additionally, we spend a great deal of energy and money to prepare for and to exhibit at the boat show. We may not be able to visit with you for as long as we wish so please try and understand if we seem pre-occupied. The first function of boat shows is to take maximum advantage of this target rich, uh, I mean potential client laden environment. The show will not be the proper place to request parts and service nor to share in any tales of woe...there's a time and a place for everything. Everyone at Amel is always more than happy to assist our clients as best we can through proper channels. Myself and Vela along with Stephanie Rullier from the Amel Shipyard in La Rochelle will be aboard. We look forward to seeing as many of you as possible during the show. Until then, fair winds and following seas. All the best, Joel F. Potter Cruising Yacht Specialist Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas Super Maramu Millennium #400 "MARY BROWN"
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Euros plexiglas doghouse supports
Ian McKnight <aimkesho@...>
I need to replace the Plexiglas supports to the doghouse of my 1973 Amel Euros. Amel tell me that the moulds for these are no longer available. Has anyone found an alternative source for these, or an alternative method of supporting the doghouse roof without loosing too much visibility?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain
amelforme
Dear Amel Owners,
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Not meaning to or wanting to pick on my friend and seasoned sailor Bill Atz, but be EXTREMELY CAREFUL about deciding to use stainless steel chain. It isn't as strong as high test but, more importantly, it is much more brittle and prone to shock load failure and work-hardening failure. It's pretty and doesn't rust...but breaks more often. On older Super Maramus we used 8mm which is about 5/16". Now we use 10mm and I advise owners of older boats to upgrade to this size. I believe the windlass distributor IMTRA (www.imtra.com) offers the correct size gypsy for proper fit. Hope this helps. Joel F. Potter Hull # 400 "MARY BROWN"
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From: Bill & Sara Atz [mailto:WCZ4455@sailmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 3:14 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, pagandaisy <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I am about to purchase new anchor chain in the States to ship down to > my 9 year old SM in the Caribbean. M. Selo says 8mm was installed > when the boat was purchased. This is approximately 5/16" I believe. > I know link sizes are different between BBB & High Test. Any > suggestions? > > Arnold Grubin Arnold, It seems that many boats here in the Caribbean are buying stainless steel chain in either Trinidad or Venezuela. The price is still more than galvanized, but much less than SS in the US, and once you buy it, you shouldn't need to buy again. I can't quote you exact prices, but I can get you the Trinidad price with a simple phone call if you wish; just let me know. Bill on Lady Sadie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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