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Re: Forward Looking Sonar

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have purchased an Echopilot 2D and now the question is where to install it. Amel advises it needs to be installed 1.5 m away from the sonic speed transducer.  They are suggesting 1.5 m forward of that which would put it very far forward in a place where it may come out of the water and contrary to the instructions from Echopilot.  For those who have it installed, where is it installed on your boat?  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain
Re: Beam IV : A55 ; Shelter Bay , rudder assembly

Joerg Esdorn
 

You need to remove the plate circled in red.  You will then have access to a large plastic nut which can be tightened clockwise in 1/6 revolution increments.  AMEL provides a large custom wrench to turn this nut but you could likely use an adjustable wrench as well.  


joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53 Kincsem
Re: Beam IV : A55 ; Shelter Bay , rudder assembly

Stuart Hemingway
 

Yes that’s correct Bill,
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Regards ,

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway 



E Studio@...



On 16 Mar 2020, at 07:46, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Are you referring to the rudder post packing inside the water-tight steering, autopilot, and quadrant compartment?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:10 AM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a diagram , is there a stuffing box , or tightening gland and can this be tightened with the boat in the water?
Stuart Hemingway 

Re: Beam IV : A55 ; Shelter Bay , rudder assembly

CW Bill Rouse
 

Are you referring to the rudder post packing inside the water-tight steering, autopilot, and quadrant compartment?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 6:10 AM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a diagram , is there a stuffing box , or tightening gland and can this be tightened with the boat in the water?
Stuart Hemingway 

Beam IV : A55 ; Shelter Bay , rudder assembly

Stuart Hemingway
 

Does anyone have a diagram , is there a stuffing box , or tightening gland and can this be tightened with the boat in the water?
Stuart Hemingway 
Re: Bow thruster oil seal leak

Peter de Groot
 

Thank you Bill and Giovanni,

Bill, RTV was used, I just did a good job wiping off the excess. The leak is between the shaft and the lip of seal not seal to housing. I agree that we need SAV at Amel.  I actually sent SAV an inquiry earlier today. I always like to be prepared with contingencies and choices.

 

Giovanni,

I agree, a little water in the oil is OK, but this leak is too much.

 

Cheers,

Peter

La Querida SM 207

Moss Landing, California
Re: Radar

Aras Grinius
 

I went with B&G 4G for just that reason.  Power.   I just got rid of my Furuno.   Wasn't worth anything
Aras 
Sharki #163 1988

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 2:05 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Hello!
Planning to install a Raymarine Quantum radar. We have an very excellent Furuno radar but it draws a lot of AMPS. I have seen that some of you have both the old and the new radar installed. My question should I keep the old radar or retire it? It is 20 years old and risk for it to break down soon?, I can use the old Radar mount and save maybe 500 € by take away the old radar and it will free space above my chart table. Any thoughts on this? you who have two radars the old and a new how often do you use the old one?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 

Re: Radar

Arnold Mente
 

Hello Paul,
I have both from FURUNO and I am very satisfied with it. The digital radar on both MFD12 and the old one in navigation. I use the digital at night and, if necessary, the analog for control purposes. When driving close to the coast I use the analogue so the alarm settings of the digital one do not always have to be changed. Furthermore, it is a wonderful backup should the digital fail.

Best
Arnold
SY Zephyr
SM203

Am 15.03.2020 um 19:05 schrieb Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>:

Hello!
Planning to install a Raymarine Quantum radar. We have an very excellent Furuno radar but it draws a lot of AMPS. I have seen that some of you have both the old and the new radar installed. My question should I keep the old radar or retire it? It is 20 years old and risk for it to break down soon?, I can use the old Radar mount and save maybe 500 € by take away the old radar and it will free space above my chart table. Any thoughts on this? you who have two radars the old and a new how often do you use the old one?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 

Arnold Mente

Urbaniweg 12
7000 Eisenstadt 

Tel: +43 660 6699019

arnold.mente@...



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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203
Re: Cockpit Loud spekers

mr_hermanns
 

I just put these in my SM - THEY ARE AMAZING!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P0R6GQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was shocked at the range, and how well it uses the cabinet behind to resonate.

--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA
Radar

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
Planning to install a Raymarine Quantum radar. We have an very excellent Furuno radar but it draws a lot of AMPS. I have seen that some of you have both the old and the new radar installed. My question should I keep the old radar or retire it? It is 20 years old and risk for it to break down soon?, I can use the old Radar mount and save maybe 500 € by take away the old radar and it will free space above my chart table. Any thoughts on this? you who have two radars the old and a new how often do you use the old one?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 
Re: Bow thruster oil seal leak

Giovanni TESTA
 

HI,

This my experience with Eutikia,from 2004, sailing around the world.

When I have the boat on the hard, once a year, I always remove the bow thruster foot.

So I replace the seal and , every 2 years, the 2 outside black neoprene disks, as well.

You may have different seals but always ,sooner or later, you have water inside the box.

Any way,  I never had damages because of it. When I change the oil/water, I leave the tube inverted, up down, for a while to empty it. No problem.

Than I add the new oil , the seal and the 2 new black neoprene disks.

Only a very important suggestion: always clean and than add silicon grease inside the bottom engine body before  inserting the black column. There’s a steel circular clip very fragile ! I broke it before Panama Canale, it was a big mess!

Obviously first follow Bill suggestions.

All the best

Giovanni Test

Sv EUTIKIA SM2K n 428



Il 15/03/2020 18:08, Peter de Groot ha scritto:


Greetings all,
This is the second lip seal I've installed.  (The previous owner left a handy stash of parts on board) The first had a single lip, the second came in a bag with Paulstra brand and part number 792521 IEL 30 42 7.  I'm deducing it came from Amel.  It had two lips, a heavier one inwards to retain the oil and a lighter one outwards nearer the outside surface.
Regardless they both leaked after installing.
The surface of the shaft which is not SS (FRP maybe??) feels rough, and there was only a narrow band where it feels smoother.  
The oil that came out was cloudy green, thick like a milk shake, so I'm thinking water was entering.
The question is what to do.  I'm contemplating 3 choices:
-Purchase a new shaft from Amel, perhaps a new complete bow thruster, as the counterbore to receive the seal also has some chips.
-Find a SS speedi-sleeve to provide a smoother surface, machine existing shaft if necessary.
-Make a new shaft with a local machine shop.  In which case which material?  Acetal perhaps, I'm assuming stainless is a no-go.

I'd appreciate any advice if any of you have experienced the same problem.  

Peter de Groot
SM 207 la Querida
Moss Landing, California.
Re: Bow thruster oil seal leak

CW Bill Rouse
 

Peter,

You have a number of problems, some I can help you with. 

SUGGESTIONS:
  1. You should never put 100% trust in inherited parts unless you are absolutely sure of their origin. 
  2. You should always buy critical parts from Amel and Amel only.
  3. We all should support Amel SAV because we need them
  4. The Amel OEM part does not have a double lip
  5. The original Amel OEM seal was for a 30 x 42 x 8 single lip seal, but Amel changed that spec to 29 x 42 x 8 single lip seal
  6. Your seal is the wrong size
  7. I do not see any RTV sealing the seal to the seal seat. 
  8. Failure to seal the edges with RTV will likely cause a leak
  9. If the correct seal is used, it should be recessed to the casing about 2-3mm. 
  10. Failure to press the seal all the way in will likely cause a leak
It is possible that the propeller shaft is worn and needs replacing. I believe Amel has these in stock. I have seen worn shafts repaired with a stainless steel sleeve and work correctly, but I think by the time you pay to have this done, a replacement shaft is a better and cheaper solution.

It is also possible that the seal seat (the recessed area where the seal is pressed into) is damaged, or was not clean when you pressed the new seal in place..

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:08 PM Peter de Groot <pandmdegroot@...> wrote:


Greetings all,
This is the second lip seal I've installed.  (The previous owner left a handy stash of parts on board) The first had a single lip, the second came in a bag with Paulstra brand and part number 792521 IEL 30 42 7.  I'm deducing it came from Amel.  It had two lips, a heavier one inwards to retain the oil and a lighter one outwards nearer the outside surface.
Regardless they both leaked after installing.
The surface of the shaft which is not SS (FRP maybe??) feels rough, and there was only a narrow band where it feels smoother.  
The oil that came out was cloudy green, thick like a milk shake, so I'm thinking water was entering.
The question is what to do.  I'm contemplating 3 choices:
-Purchase a new shaft from Amel, perhaps a new complete bow thruster, as the counterbore to receive the seal also has some chips.
-Find a SS speedi-sleeve to provide a smoother surface, machine existing shaft if necessary.
-Make a new shaft with a local machine shop.  In which case which material?  Acetal perhaps, I'm assuming stainless is a no-go.

I'd appreciate any advice if any of you have experienced the same problem.  

Peter de Groot
SM 207 la Querida
Moss Landing, California.
Bow thruster oil seal leak

Peter de Groot
 



Greetings all,
This is the second lip seal I've installed.  (The previous owner left a handy stash of parts on board) The first had a single lip, the second came in a bag with Paulstra brand and part number 792521 IEL 30 42 7.  I'm deducing it came from Amel.  It had two lips, a heavier one inwards to retain the oil and a lighter one outwards nearer the outside surface.
Regardless they both leaked after installing.
The surface of the shaft which is not SS (FRP maybe??) feels rough, and there was only a narrow band where it feels smoother.  
The oil that came out was cloudy green, thick like a milk shake, so I'm thinking water was entering.
The question is what to do.  I'm contemplating 3 choices:
-Purchase a new shaft from Amel, perhaps a new complete bow thruster, as the counterbore to receive the seal also has some chips.
-Find a SS speedi-sleeve to provide a smoother surface, machine existing shaft if necessary.
-Make a new shaft with a local machine shop.  In which case which material?  Acetal perhaps, I'm assuming stainless is a no-go.

I'd appreciate any advice if any of you have experienced the same problem.  

Peter de Groot
SM 207 la Querida
Moss Landing, California.
Re: Volvo warning

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks, I see it now.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 March 2020 10:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo warning

 

Was found at:
https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Volvo%20Penta/volvo%20penta%20workshop%20manual%207748668_EN.pdf

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Scott SV Tengah
 

For the old MEJ owners, couldn't that problem be solved by just making a slightly longer power cable and create the drip loop?

That would solve the problem of water going into the deck locker from the SS pipe but doesn't fix the problem of water coming in through the top seal of the furler.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:04 AM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here Is the issue the old Furler was smaller and so the wires coming out of the Furrer and back through the deck did not have to loop back up as they do in this photo so the water can get stuck especially if the seals on top are not properly sealed

Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 54 #101
LE Marin 

On Mar 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:



I also have a problem understanding the issue on the furler drainage. The thick black (electrical) cable does go via a ss pipe (if I remember correctly) into the sail/bow locker and on AMELIT the caulking around that cable into the ss pipe was compromised and allowed water into the sail/bow locker. Once we fixed that no more water via that entry into the locker.

 

When I am back on the boat I will check if there is a drain plug on the bottom of the furler.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 3, 2020 17:08:08

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 04:50
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

 

I replaced both furlers with the EJF’s. Since they use a planetary gear system instead of belts and worm-gears the torque provided by the furler is about twice as high compared to the original MEJ’s at the same power consumption. For me they are working well, When furling in strong winds I can’t hear the motor being stressed at all, it furls in quite smoothly.

I have a hard time understanding the thing Courtney mentions about the cable sleeve also used for draining any water that enters the unit. When you buy the units the sleeve is quite long and I cannot imagine some Italian designer thinks to use it as a drain pathway. It seems more that you must prevent water to enter the sleeve so it cannot reach the unit.

Do make sure you use the electronically controlled Boxtrons in conjunction with the new furlers as they also provide a soft-start to make it easier on the rig.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121 


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Courtney Gorman
 

Here Is the issue the old Furler was smaller and so the wires coming out of the Furrer and back through the deck did not have to loop back up as they do in this photo so the water can get stuck especially if the seals on top are not properly sealed

Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin 54 #101
LE Marin 

On Mar 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:



I also have a problem understanding the issue on the furler drainage. The thick black (electrical) cable does go via a ss pipe (if I remember correctly) into the sail/bow locker and on AMELIT the caulking around that cable into the ss pipe was compromised and allowed water into the sail/bow locker. Once we fixed that no more water via that entry into the locker.

 

When I am back on the boat I will check if there is a drain plug on the bottom of the furler.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 3, 2020 17:08:08

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 04:50
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

 

I replaced both furlers with the EJF’s. Since they use a planetary gear system instead of belts and worm-gears the torque provided by the furler is about twice as high compared to the original MEJ’s at the same power consumption. For me they are working well, When furling in strong winds I can’t hear the motor being stressed at all, it furls in quite smoothly.

I have a hard time understanding the thing Courtney mentions about the cable sleeve also used for draining any water that enters the unit. When you buy the units the sleeve is quite long and I cannot imagine some Italian designer thinks to use it as a drain pathway. It seems more that you must prevent water to enter the sleeve so it cannot reach the unit.

Do make sure you use the electronically controlled Boxtrons in conjunction with the new furlers as they also provide a soft-start to make it easier on the rig.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Volvo warning

Gerhard Mueller
 

Was found at:
https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Volvo%20Penta/volvo%20penta%20workshop%20manual%207748668_EN.pdf

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: WiFi Extenders - best 2019-2020

marty hameline
 

Cool Aras
I’m headed to Marin Martinique Saturday and will have the wifi extender with me. 
I also like the Caribbean SIM card combined with a cell phone. 
Cheers 

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent 
Maramu
#129


On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Aras <aras.grinius@...> wrote:


I use Rogue Wave antenna mounted on mizzen.  I also use a small Netgear router / switch.  Gives access to all devices on the boat.  Range about 5 miles (line of sight).
Aras
Sharki #163 1988
Re: WiFi Extenders - best 2019-2020

Aras Grinius
 

I use Rogue Wave antenna mounted on mizzen.  I also use a small Netgear router / switch.  Gives access to all devices on the boat.  Range about 5 miles (line of sight).
Aras
Sharki #163 1988
Re: Volvo warning

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

I just looked on https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files and cannot see any Volvo folder. Was this in the original Yahoo group?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo
Sent: 14 March 2020 19:21
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo warning

 

Hi,

 

We uploaded the workshop manual with all the codes in the « volvo penta » folder of the group. 

 

 

Hope it’ll be useful

 

 

Thomas 

GARULFO 

A54-122

Tahuata, French Polynesia 

 

 

 

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 05:27, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:

The Volvo Service Bulletin was received from an extremely helpful dealer, Fordham Marine, Jacksonville, FL  904.743.2140.  The other information I came across was when I had the same problem as Paul.  I was trying to find a method to determine what was wrong without having to pay a mechanic 2 1/2 hours travel time to come to the boat to diagnose then make a second trip back with the parts.  It seemed very inefficient and costly.  I heard about the OEM mode wanted to learn how to access it.  Wish I had all the codes but have not found a way to get them.  They do vary slightly between different engine models.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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